/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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>>3111085
I did a lil character design.
toughs?

Feedback encouraged.

>>3111087
i like the sieg heil she is doing

>>3111091
Is part of the joke actually

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These arms look weird to me but I can't seem to fix them

>>3111105
that's what happens when you draw just heads and try to form things around them

>>3111114
:(

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>>3111087
aaand done I think.

Is a tan/personification for a mail service.

>>3111105
just scrap it and redraw it again with the arms in mind.

>>3111105
lol you lonely fucker, I know that's a self portrait

What are the uses of charcoal pencils?

>>3111163
Charcoal drawing?

>>3111163
squander money. Its like the typewriter of the aspiring artist

>>3111165
That sounds oddly specific.
Are you sure you aren't projecting?

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Week 2. Paid more attention to the reference and less to the Loomis method other than proportions and landmark measurements. Happier with the result than my last portrait practice.

Shading and hair are baffling to me, but I'm starting to enjoy shading even if I suck at it. Lips are hard, symmetrical eyes are tricky. There's mistakes, but I like it. Onto the next.

Any critique helps. Much love.

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>>3111179

Reference. I liked this one a lot.

>>3111163
Like graphite but I like the feel better. It's kinda smooth and messy feeling, almost like painting. Also the darker colour just appeals to me.

Love it for gestures and portraits, but wouldn't use it for fine details or small stuff.

>tfw you're such a beginner despites drawing since a young age and your drawings are disgusting so you're even afraid to post in /beg/

>>3111215
You don't have to post your stuff here, especially if you feel like you already know where you're needing to improve. Don't post your shit if people mentioning how garbage it is will end up demotivating you

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How are these?

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How long does it take to get used to the drawing tablet?

>>3111215
"despite drawing since a young age" means nothing. Very very few people at a young age can internalize the concept of drawing to improve (and even fewer have the resources and help to do so). /beg/ is beg, post something SOMEWHERE if you give any fuck about improving, filter out the shitposts and blatantly obvious unhelpful people, and keep drawing.

Anthony Jones said on one of his weekly demos that he's basically training his kids from 5 and that they're gonna be insane artists when they grow up, but he's only doing it because they like to draw. Shit like that is what should attempt to demotivate you (but don't let it) not your own skill.

>>3111239
i like it. i haven't studied child proportions but the boy's head in the bottom left looks pretty strange and he also has a very thick neck.

>>3111239
shit /beg/inner here but I really like these

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Thoughts so far?
Someone wanted their OC drawn so I tried to do it in my style.

>>3111245
A few days, a week at most.

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Today's drawn shit.

>>3111179
>tfw been practicing for months
>try my best on same ref
>use fucking LOOMIS
>worse than a g*ddamn 2nd week asshole

FUCK DRAWING I HATE IT

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>>3111332
I wish I was dead

>>3111315
top left looks good but i feel like it's just becuase the colours are picked.

sketch out a skeleton for the painting beforehand if you didnt, though

>>3111345
Thanks for the feedback anon

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>>3111340
a common beginner's flaw in drawing faces is assuming the lips' form end where the pigmented skin part ends. but of course that's only the symptom of that you don't posess the kick for form. the solution? draw simpler subjects, dont prioritize drawing people for a while. do all the boring stuff like cubes still lifes, sketch basic forms from imagination too. it's the way if you're not born a prodigy like Durer.
i can hardly describe a feeling one should have. perharps try facing a mirror and move the tip of your pencil over your face, that's sort of how it should feel on a flat surface too.

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>>3111340
Is it cheating to edit a traditional drawing in a program?

>>3111357
like this drawing, notice how linework is really probing the form.

>>3111357
Well you're being really kind and helpful in the face of my childish tantrum, I'll do my best. No faces/people for 3 days, just still lifes. Thank you.

>>3111363
i rather advice for a year or two.

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Never thought my shitty drawing would become the OP image

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>>3111373
Also my loomis faces still look like shit. Grinding them out every day though

>>3111363
>three days

You're being blinded by your obsession with faces. If you can't understand form, you're going to be going in circles for years. Unless you want that to happen, still lives are seriously the best thing because they're basic, (more or less) easy, and teach a lot. If you stick with just that for 2-3 months you're going to see a lot of improvement.

>>3111105
Lots of problems here but immediately what jumps out... look at how her arm is attached to her back. Its like they're strips of paper that connect to her back and we just folder over. Also stop chicken scratching and improve your line quality.

>>3111163
Vine charcoal (with newsprint) is great for practicing the big lines and curves of the body. Great for gesture drawing.
>>3111165
OK.

>>3111239
Nice m8.

>>3111315
Why is somebody who can paint as well as you wasting his time drawing gotta go fast autismo shit?

>>3111364
Nah, I'd quit drawing if I couldn't draw what I wanted. I can't grind fundies too long otherwise I get bored and completely stop drawing. I'll try to find a better balance instead.

>>3111376
>that connect to her back and we just folder over.
*were just folded over* Jesus what is wrong with my eyes.

>>3111376
Nostalgia goggles, it's not something I've drawn in a decade and I outgrew it years ago. But mostly, it's interesting how the thought process in trying to tackle a 3D shape differs now as opposed to how I tackled it as a child as well as highlighting the areas of continued struggle (perspective, 3D, hands, placement of features)

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Let's say I'm drawing an object standing on my table, my sketchbook placed in my lap. How do I avoid perspective errors when my head isn't always looking at the object from the exact same point of view? Like, sometimes my head is a bit more tilted downwards than at other times.

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>>3111085
two of a very small and dwindling handful of men over the last two decades who have actually been concerned with integrity in the media.

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still trying

>>3111398
Kek.

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>>3111396
By making sure you can switch between looking at the subject and the paper you're drawing on by just moving your eyes and there for not having to move your head around.

>>3111402
Thank you for the tip! Also, nice drawing, I kek'd

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why did it end like this?

>>3111437
Write your question on the back of the drawing. Put the drawing in a box and forget it.

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>>3111085
How does one discover their art style? Do you have to force it or will it eventually develop itself through practice

>>3111521
You know that default symbol drawing you do when you draw from imagination? Imagine when that's refined by studies so you draw properly. That's your style unless you decide to study other styles and add on to it. More often than not it's whatever your default is though. Although, I guess it's only default because it's natural after drawing so much.

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>>3111437
Father?

>>3111398
kys

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Just fuck my shit. CC please this took me way too long

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>>3111621
Sorry for the ant

I have no clue how clothes, shading, colors or anatomy work, but how are the proportions and gesture?

>>3111603

Something tells me once you get rid of symbol drawing, you're going to be pretty good. So, with that said, it reeks of symbol drawing. Post reference to see what else did you do wrong.

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>>3111636
Oh okay damn i tried real hard

>>3111640
Unironically study Loomis' head construction so you know where to place facial features instead of just winging it. Proko's a good resource for that if you find Loomis too boring to read.

>>3111640
Kek, I thought it was Alec Baldwin.

>>3111643
Would "Drawing the Head and the Hands" be a good one?

>>3111640
Unironically don't start with this >>3111643, look up Noah's Art Camp 2 first lesson on youtube.

>>3111643
Also I dont know if youre>>3111636
But I was really trying to practice values but I dont feel it came across def better than I was though.

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How do I stop chicken scratching?

>>3111656
Drawabox.

>>3111658
I tried it a while ago but after completing the first lesson the guy told me to draw 250 boxes. I quit halfway thru cuz it was super boring. Are there any alternatives to drawabox?

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its so hard to get everything close. right at the end i figure out that its too thick and its a problem from the first fucking stroke of the construction box. even now i start seeing so many problems with it. its a tough road.

>>3111660
Peter Han's dynamic sketching.

>>3111660
> I quit halfway thru cuz it was super boring.
NGMI

>>3111661

seems like you're mixing your mental image of a female body with what you see

draw the statue again but upside down. It will click, trust me.

>>3111667
No shit I'm never gonna make it. But it's easier to live a loser life than kill myself so fuck it I'll keep doodling like a retard and never improve.

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this is really hard lol

>>3111655

Do this first, it's a really good video. Follow up with Loomis.

>>3111652

It's a good book, but not entry level. Fun with a pencil or Proko are better resources if you've no clue what to do yet.

Understanding value and how the face is constructed go hand in hand. Knowing the different planes, cheeks, nose, brow ridge, etc. will help you understand why light and shadow behave the way they do on someone's face.

>>3111675
Sounds good ill start with fun with a pencil. Thanks anons this was good. We're all gonna make it.

Is my starting out goal to just get good at drawing what I see? Is this the same as drawing from life?

>>3111690
No, drawing what you see can also apply to images.

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Second day of drawing. I drew the monster can that was on my desk at work.

>>3111697
You forgot the logo

>>3111698
I know ;-;
Things got busy at work.

>>3111669
i thought that was what you are supposed to do?
also thanks for the advice. i'll draw that same statue upside down tomorrow

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fucking symbol drawing

>>3111716
lips arent halfway between nose and chin
fix the nose and this will actually look ok

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>>3111697
Practice straight lines, also you should draw elipses around the form (draw also the part that isn't visible). It prevents you from ending them sharply on the edges. (Example from drawabox.com)

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How am I doing so far? Kinda having struggle with shading his hand

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Another page of value studies. I did a longer, more finished one as someone suggested yesterday.

>>3111772
Hand is flat, you should construct it from boxes or cylinders. Also find a reference for the right arm, it is completely incorrect anatomically.

Help me /ic/ do I just draw from references till I'm a photo copy machine or what

>>3111787
yes, its called internalising reality

As a beginner, should I study Brague plates to improve my observational skills or should I just draw from references? Life drawing is not an option, I live in bumfuck nowhere.

>>3111785
Thanks a lot. Now that I have it photographed I actually see a lot of stuff that's not working I might start from scratch if I don't get too lazy

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>>3111085
I have been trying to draw figures from imagination more, on top of doing studies and learning anatomy. Anyway for this one i tried not to draw the figure directly and just imagine the construction in my head. I know some parts are pretty fucked, the hands especially, but what do I need to improve on?

>>3111812
**tried TO draw the figure directly

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hey uh, I did it again.

Also, is it okay if I post my progress once a thread? That'd be cool.

I digress, critique away.

>>3111862
its worse

>>3111864
wat

>>3111862
why post progress when all you're doing is drawing the same thing in the same pose over and over

if you want critique, post a study

if you want asspats, go to deviantart

>>3111869
that is true, what exactly would be a good study to do?

>>3111872
it depends on what you want to learn. studies are not some frivolous thing to do as you please, it's what you do to LEARN and if you treat it that lightly you'll never improve

asking like that shows that you don't have a set goal in mind - i suggest you take a step back and ask yourself what you really want and what you get out of drawing

>>3111875
I just want to impress people I guess. And make something worthwhile. I don't know, I'm really lost and not sure on how to proceed with my art. Theres so many artstyles and ways of expressing oneself.

I guess I feel that I just want a quality product.

>>3111862
Neat, it's better, but you strayed from her design. Legs are too short, check your proportions. Six heads should do it. Also try to vary your lines more since they're quite bold right now unless you want that look, but if you're going to color it, it would probably look better if they were thinner.

>>3111656
try using your shoulder more

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Thoughts?

>>3111950
Read the sticky.

>>3111950
terrible

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Gave >>3111640 a try, I must've done something wrong because his jaw is more square and I couldn't quite capture his half-assed half-smile expression. LIPS ARE HARD.

Hair still gives me trouble, shading is fun but I can tell I'm not the best at it. Maybe I should buy those fancy named pencils with different gradations.

Any critique helps and is welcomed. Personally I'm happy with it.

>>3111953
Already did, sorry it's not a perfectly constructed loomis head yet

>>3111957
thanks

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I have the next 4 months free to practice. Should I go with the 12 hrs a day meme and make it? Or is there a better way to study?

I just did Project 2 - F in Keys to Drawing. It's the one that asks you to draw a vase with flowers in it and emphasizes on switching between a loose and a controlled hand. What I want to know is how the flowers help with that.

I went ahead and tried to do it in the timeframe, and I was able to get a loose sketch done for most of it, but once I hit getting the details/values/petals/etc. drawn in, I found it hard to keep my pace going. I lost track of which petal I was drawing when looking back and forth from my drawing to the picture. I think I'll try it again but with flowers that are not white and where the values are more obvious.

flowers are harder to draw than I thought they would be.

>>3111968
Yeah the better way to study is 16 hours a day meme, but for you anon, I'll let you do 12 hours since I'm being nice.

>>3111315
the angle of shadow's head in the bottom right one doesn't match up and it makes the rest of the pose look weird.

>>3111984
That's how drawing from observation is in general, you have to be able to look right at the details and not lose track. It's difficult without patience and if you don't really care about detail work.

>>3111950
From now on your secret name is Loom Man

>>3111988
Thanks handshake dad

>>3111374
looking a little better. I'd suggest using more construction on the eyes, nose, and mouth to give it more of a 3D look.

>>3111673
cool thumbnail.

>>3111673
you did a fine job

>>3111636
That's literally everyone tho.

>>3111880
Just keep it simple for now. Try going through the exercises in Keys to Drawing and read that shit too. Then do a drawing for fun.

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Hows this guys?

>>3112007
No one is opening that shit. Resize it, you cunt.

>>3111968
Start by drawing for a half hour or hour at time. Take a break and go do something else. Then go back to drawing. When you can't sit back down and concentrate for the day, call it good and stop so you don't burn yourself out.

>>3111991
my work with details is sparse as it is. I've mostly been focusing on getting bigger shapes down rather than the smaller ones.

is there a more methodical/effective way to approach drawing a subject with lots of distracting details?

>>3112008
What's the problem?

>>3112013
The size. Read the OP. Ain't nobody giving a shit about a 5000x3500 file.

>>3112008
Use 4chan x or get non mexican internet

>>3111358

Yes, when you use it for practice. What's the point of practice if you rely on these tools.

>>3111179
>>3111964

I know begging for criticism isn't cool, but I'd really like an opinion on these two I made today. I'm always paranoid of the mistakes I don't notice myself.

>>3112012
Nope just time and patience

>>3111590
you first faggot, show me how it's done.

>>3112023
Lots of symbol drawing. The lips are really symbol drawn but as you said acknowledged it's hard. Look again at the picture that's not how they look. In the picture they're at quite a noticeable slant. His top lip is very thin, almost invisible. Also you've put his entire head straight on instead of at a slant, which is your brain's whim.

Between your two drawings, my advice is to stop trying to shade and render before you've gotten line drawing down.

>>3112050

Someone in a previous thread said line drawing was a meme and I should think of values instead. Shit. I see the slant now, though. I'll follow your advice, though. Any tips on drawing lips in general or should I just do it over and over until I get it right?

I wish I had a gun so I could shoot myself and not have to worry about drawing anymore.

>>3112009
Thanks, time to grind.
>>3111994
I appreciate your compassion and will work towards 16 hours a day

>>3111085
>tfw always start a drawing from the same point
>do this many times and git gud
>try to start a drawing of the same thing from a different part
>begin messing up for whatever reason

>>3112057
(not the guy you're replying to) Line drawing, in the view of value studies, is supposed to be an underlying 'grid' for setting down the value shapes accurately. Being accurate from as early as possible is very important. Laying in the basic foundation will make it easier to transition to a render (this goes for traditional or digital).

Almost everyone in this thread only does line which, at the end of the day, doesn't teach much about form at all compared to actually incorporating value into your drawing because you'd LITERALLY be feeling the form from observing how light and shadow interact on a plane.

>>3112122
How do I get as good as you?

>>3112122
>boring, half finished sketch
>good

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always thuoght she was asian in the show baka

>>3112129
ooooh, really nice anon!

>>3112007
Nice lazy hands.

>>3112129
If this is /beg/ then I'm literally never gonna make it

>>3112160
There are different levels of beginner

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>try to draw something semi-anatomically correct but dynamic, reminiscent of burne hoggart or the spiderman comics
>"It looks stiff"
>Try to make it more dynamic
>"Still stiff"
>Go fucking hanna barbera with the spine of jellyfish tier line of action
>displeased because it looks too cartoony
I'M SO MAD
HOW DO YOU EVEN SKETCH SOMETHING LIKE THAT
the bert dodson way of sketching makes it look not dynamic enough and the line of action/gesture drawing/ that dumb line you draw to make something dynamic ends up looking too cartoony.

Whats the sketching technique to make something not so cartoony but not realistic and boring.

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Loomis is fucking stupid, his shit doesn't work at all. It's just "draw the rest of the fucking owl" bullshit.

>>3112188
Yup, you fell for the meme

>>3112188
Okay then smarty pants. Why not just keep drawing and show us your improvements in a month?

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>>3112188
did you miss this page?

>>3112191
How does that relate to what he said? I think Loomis is more about teaching you to draw from imagination versus actually teaching you how to study portraits of people and how to draw something that resembles them.

In which case it really is all about measuring, and understanding form. Something Loomis tends to glace over.

>>3112192
I'm doing plate 3 of Drawing the Head and Hands

If that's from Fun With a Pencil, fuck that. Those "blooks" or whatever on the first few pages were even worse "draw the rest of the fucking owl" bullshit.

>>3112188

Loomis isn't about drawing the whole fucking owl, it's about making sure you know what parts of the owl go where. Yes, it doesn't teach you how to draw eyes but it teaches you how to think of eyes in 3D space and how they fit in the head.

The best way to use Loomis is alongside with other resources that learn how to draw facial features, which you then apply using the Loomis construction method.

>>3112191

This. How long have you been doing Loomis? Literally do pages upon pages of Loomis heads in different angles, it doesn't matter if you can't draw pretty eyes or lips. Stop being a pussy and keep at it.

>>3112188
>Bitching about loomis.
>Still chicken scratching
nigga learn how to draw a solid line first. Fuck.

>>3112207
yeah sure I'll just go ahead and draw a big ol perfect circle in one swipe. Even if I practice circles exclusively for hours a day for months, I still wouldn't be able to draw a good enough circle without chicken scratching.

>>3112208
>Even if I practice circles exclusively for hours a day for months, I still wouldn't be able to draw a good enough circle without chicken scratching.
>thinking he knows how it is before he's done it
How does it feel to set yourself up for failure?

>>3112179
Well the balance of the figures weight is just as important for making a dynamic pose.
Like the statue of david, basic gesture but shits dynamic because of the weight.

Is there any substantial theory on how to foreshorten?

>want to draw faces
>have to grind proper construction first
>have to grind line control before construction tho

Fuck everything, I'm too retarded to learn how to draw. I wish I was dead so I could stop obsessing over this shit.

>>3112230
You mean too lazy.

>>3112230
>Practice line control
>Practice construction
>Draw faces

Wow. Three things to do. So hard.

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I wish I was dead so I could stop caring about this shit. I wanna slit my wrists, stick my head in the oven, and shoot myself after ingesting poison. But I can't, so I'll just be a shitty retarded loser for life.

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>>3112237
Stop being pathetic, anon. Take some control of your life!

>>3112237
or you could just enjoy life like a normal fag.

>>3112188
yeah, no ones going to hold your hand. its up to you to do it, books are just more references. skill takes hard work, theres no magic pill.

>>3112129
these are great adaptations. going to polish it up?

>>3112122
thats really good but the eyes arent aligned.

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>>3112242
heres mine. i fInished it a couple of days ago but never published. i dont know how you guys can keep posting here everyday, i just cant seem to find the time.

ive made some mistakes espeacially on the face. i redrew it many times but could never get it right for some reason.

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>>3112245
here is the process in gif form. every slide is another 25min. to show time investment and how many times i tried to redo things. but even if i failed in some aspects, i had to try and finish it.

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>>3112247
the ref.

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>>3111996
Is this any better? I always feel like my heads are way too massive for the face. Trying to fix it though

>>3112256
not that anon, but...
try looking at an actual head and use it as a ref and try to comprehend it. looks like symbol drawing still

>>3112245
again...looks like symbol drawing or looks like you didnt look at the ref at all.

you did make the face look cuter...there's that

>>3112256

All the features are flat on the face. Eyes should fit into the eye sockets, which are sunken below the brow ridge. The nose should jut out, etc.

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>>3112256
drop one of these every threawd

>>3112266
Usually you pass by it in the sticky, but /beg/inners have short-term memory.

>>3112265
I tried to draw the nose so it came out

>>3112259
When I use a photo reference I find it really hard to put the loomis construction lines in. It's like I'm forcing them to work

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I tried to draw something with a snow environment around it. I think it turned out well.

>>3112260
wait, the face, really? thats the thing i did the best? i dont understands.

>>3111792
I'd go with Brague Plates first. you know you can draw anything from life: car keys, lamps, headphones, laptops, etc. you can always find something from real life to draw.

>>3111812
>but what do I need to improve on?
just looking at the jump rope figure, I would say the gesture itself. It looks like she's walking on the ground, and I don't get a sense of action that this is a girl who's jumping in the air.

>>3112024
figures. I'm looking for shortcuts when there are none.

>>3112208
you could always do warmups involving drawing circles and straight lines. that way you will feel more confident when you put your pencil down and try drawing loomis heads.

For every single one who tries to draw portraits, watch this entire lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

I can't believe people here are pointing beginners to draw cubes to get better to draw faces. I don't think that they can't show volume on a simple object like a cube, but rather they don't know where to pay attention on a abstract form like face. Observing is half way to the goals and having the knowledge for what to observe first and what is secondary is very important.

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I'm trying to practice figure gestures but I feel really lost on knowing what to focus on and how to get better at this shit. Does this at least look like the right idea? I've been putting off practicing this stuff for too long because of not knowing how to improve.

I'm still mashing way too many messy shitty lines too

Is there a point where it just clicks and you start improving a lot?

>>3112266
thanks Bob :,)

>>3112345
Looks gesturey and yes it's pretty messy. Keep it up.

>>3112346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0g_gWrNf8

>>3112345
I don't even know what half of these people are doing

>>3111085
How do you draw from imagination?

>>3112376
You take what you draw with in your hand, put it to the surface you draw on so that the drawing end touches the surface, and then by moving your arm produce the drawing.

>>3112376
You don't. That question doesn't even make sense. It is like asking "How do you speak from imagination?".

Ideas are abstract. So when you get an idea that you want to communicate through words, you have to use your vocabulary, your physical ability to utter consonants, and your knowledge of grammar to construct sentences. In the same way when you want to draw an idea, you use your visual library, your physical muscle memory, and your knowledge of perspective etc to draw a picture.

Art is a form of communication.

>>3112368
I don't think its so much of a block. Rather I'm a super beginner

>>3112376
you utilize your spark and stretch your ligameme

>>3112376
by drawing

what kind of moron question is this

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1 hour a day of this for 100 days. If I don't see any improvement by day 100 I will literally murder all of you for suggesting drawabox.

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>>3112435

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>>3112436

>>3112435
>draw a box

Don't learn from someone who is still in the process of learning themselves. That is just stupid.

>>3112440
I have to learn line control somehow. Otherwise everyone else will keep complaining about how I chicken scratch every drawing.

>>3112435
>>3112436
>>3112438
Why the fuck would you do it an hour a day for 100 days. Just fucking draw

>>3112440
By that logic you can't even learn from high tier artists since you never stop learning

>>3112435
How many days have you been doing this? learning line control shouldn't take more than like a week of exercising, if you aren't improving, then you're doing something wrong.

>>3112443
/ic/ is fucking retarded. You tell me to just draw. I draw a face, you tell me to learn construction. I draw some construction, you tell me to stop chicken scratching. I try to learn line control, you tell me to stop and just draw.

>>3112446
Day 1. I tried doing drawabox last year but gave up after a few weeks.

>>3112449
People post their drawings for critique.

>>3112444
I think everyone just wants the most bang for their buck. It's not like there aren't better artists to learn from.

>>3112208
Try keeping your wrist from moving and use your whole arm/shoulder. Really helped my circles in just a day

>>3112462
well I'm completely untalented so it'll take me at least 100 days of an hour/day practice before my circles aren't total shit

>>3112467
Well just make sure you're not using your wrist

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Gesture, aye or nay?

I swear the main difference between a beginner and a pro is the amount of time spent on a drawing.

begs spend an hour making 5 minute skribbles while a pro will spend 20 minutes planning one drawing and slowly rendering

What's art called that's based on words but open to interpretation? if that makes sense, not typography though (at least I don't think) abstract wordart maybe? or would it just fall under abstract art?

How do I draw cubes that aren't perfect

>>3112518
Literature
>>3112547
You already do. Now learn to draw perfectly well constructed cubes.

>>3112551
I meant, how do I draw cubes that show depth? I can draw a perfectly even cube but how do I draw one with different planes to represent like a turned head or something

>>3112449
/ic/ isn't one person. Many people are pointing out the bad stuff in your work. Work on sth for 3 months then return for critique.

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Still can't into loomis

>>3112559
Rotate them, do weird shit with them. Don't add the chin until you're comfortable with placing a sphere in space.

>>3112562
I've been trying to get this angle down before rotating them and shit. When am I meant to add the chin then?

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>>3112565
Think of the head as two pieces: a spherical cranium and a boxy jaw-plus-some-face. I doodled up a 30sec sketch of this. Basically, I suggest ditching the Loomis books altogether, and googling Proko (Stanislav Prokopenko), who, among a bunch of bad things, has phenomenal yt series on drawing. His head drawing series is basically Loomis-but-taught-normally (Loomis is a pretty bad teacher, his good art aside, imho). Think of the head as two parts, and learn how to rotate them. The chin is just a detailed-out front side of the lower chin box

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i still have more to go but i fucked up the likeness/expression. oh well

>>3112579
And the hand and the neck and the face shape and a bunch of things. Don't flatter yourself too much. Analyse your work and learn from the mistakes

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>>3112579
here's the ref

>>3112574
I've been trying to draw them with the proko loomis version. I've only watched the one video though.
I'll have a look at the series.

>>3112582
oh shit youre right

/ic/, anyone have any "schedules" or curriculums?

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How would I got about making that right hand (and the left potentially) look better?

>>3112596
Total redraw. You misforeshortened it. It's supposed to appear larger, rather than smaller. Get some free 3d model pose program and check out your errors.

>>3112511
more of a contour lines instead of gesture

>>3112605
Well, back to watching proko I guess.

>>3111623
please respond

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>>3112601
I tried to fix it myself while it downloads. How does this look? (I need to fix that thumb, looking at it.)

>>3112629
I pre-emptively typed that and forgot to fix it, I did download something (DesignDoll) and used that.

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>>3111669
drew it upside down for you

>>3111623
the anatomy is nonexistant
go do 200 of these https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>3112696
Already better

>>3112724
Handhold me more anon, what time intervals are we talking

>>3112749
5 minutes for the first 50 then two minutes for the rest

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Literally just started drawing yesterday. Figured I'd start somewhere by drawing some hands.

>>3112759
do these look like hands to you?

Can I start drawing body parts and shit without learning perspective first

>>3112774
Can you throw me a bone and tell me how to fix my hand game instead of being a snarky asshole?

>>3112624
don't we all

>>3112787
not him but draw from life

QUESTION:

How big should I be doing Loomis heads for practicing them? Big, small, don't matta?

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>>3111686
Idk if you can only post one per /beg thread but I did this last night.

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>>3112863
Reference

>>3112856
How big do you intend to draw your anime heads? That big.

i can tell when something is shit but i sometimes i cant reliably tell exactly what is wrong with something, like exactly what to change. for example >>3112863 is one.

>>3112869
Shoo shoo gains goblin

Shouldn't I be learning how to construct shit instead of copying references

>>3112895
You do both you stupid. You use your eyes to properly copy references but construction helps you when there's too much information.

>>3112895

You should be using the first as a guideline for the second. They're complementary. And once you have enough milleage your drawing from imagination will come easier to you. Just copying stuff will turn you into a mindless copy machine.

>>3112898
>Just copying stuff will turn you into a mindless copy machine.
which by the way is essential in the beginning because it builds your skills to draw. So just because it sounds bad doesn't mean it is.

>>3112900

I wasn't clear, my bad. Ignoring construction and just copying stuff means that you'll have a harder time when trying to draw from imagination in the future, even if your portraits and life drawings are really good. They're both essential skills, it's not like you have to pick one and ignore the other to move on.

today i dreamed that i was playing pubg and as i was on the rooftop of a house and was looking down on other buildings i stopped playing pubg (in my dream) and started to draw the buildings from that perspective i was doing the pen measuring technique to find out how big and how long the buildings are and after making about 4 lines i woke up.

does this count as drawing from imagination?

>>3112911
:thinking:

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>>3112787
Also not him, but he's being a snarky asshole because there's a welcome sticky with a beginner guide that tells you the basics, and you did basically the first thing on it; symbol drawing. You're drawing what you think hands look like instead of what they actually look like.

As for actually fixing the hands, short of a total redraw, there's nothing much you can do.

This isn't a very helpful guide for someone of your skill, but it's a good reference.

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how do you draw from reference without copying reference?

>>3112950
Deconstruct the image and then reconstruct it instead of copying it as is

>>3112869
That is probably because you're a beginner

>>3112779
Sure, it just depends what you're going for
It won't improve your body parts, not knowing perspective

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>>3112863
The biggest issue is the face is to large for the head. People tend to draw important things bigger than they actually are so you need to work on seeing objectively. It helps to think of the head as an egg shaped cranium with a face hanging off rather than a face with a cranium behind it. The other major thing is your values aren't nearly dark enough. You'd have to spend 3 hours shading with graphite to get it to look decent which is boring as fuck, so I'd suggest liberally applying charcoal to the dark areas then erasing the high lights. I'll often draw with a black pen just because I hate shading with pencil. The construction of the face in general needs improvement. It looks like you drew each feature independently rather than thinking of the face as a whole. You may want to try drawing simple geometric planes before developing details. You should also tone the background of your drawings appropriately. Context is everything, in this picture the values in the face are dark because there is a light source directly behind it, you need to include that halo of light for it to read properly.

>>3112779
Do you have intuitive understanding of perspective, or did you learn at least the basics of it? If no, then I'd say no, learn perspective first.

>>3112950
Analyze every stroke you make and why you're making it. Basically keep yourself busy asking yourself questions so you don't fall into some cycle of mindless drawing.

>>3112266
Apart from the muscle memory issue will I be missing any skills if I start drawing with a pencil instead of a drawing tablet?

>>3113050
everything related to digital

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think i'm at a point where my drawings resemble humans. do i work on my proportion and add value, or is there more to focus on correcting?

>>3113053
you should work on just drawing more in general

Drawing makes me feel miserable but so does the rest of my shit life. How do I get past the misery and just draw?

>>3113069
fix your shit life then draw

>>3113069
You just draw. Are you that guy posting suicidal thoughts here? Dude, fuck off.

>>3113069
read Keys to Drawing. it has lots of useful and basic advice, such as not criticizing yourself as you draw but focusing on what you need to do when you draw.

>>3113112
>such as not criticizing yourself as you draw but focusing on what you need to do when you draw.
>tfw read KtD so long ago that I forgot about this

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>>3111085
Can someone explain the "tipped line of balance" to me? I just got to that part in Loomis' book and I don't understand.

>>3113072
I'm on disability and have no friends. How do I fix that?

>>3112924
>You're drawing what you think hands look like instead of what they actually look like.
I used my actual hands as a reference. Is all hope lost in that case?

>>3113164
No. You just have trained your eye (you are an extreme case). Go look at >>3112266

and go read the sticky.

>>3113174
haven't trained your eye*

>>3113146
A good artist is a tortured artist. Channel your pain into your work.

Why does it actually seem more difficult to draw from reference than imagination?

>>3113183
Because you're rubbish at both

>tfw u gain a better understanding of how a specific form works and can then draw it correctly every time
is there a better feeling?

>>3113183
you're probably not applying construction to your referenced drawings

>>3112266
people should be forced to read this and take a quiz on it before accessing /ic/

>>3111812
The process of jumping is
>bending knees/spine
>rapidly pushing weight of body through the legs to gain propulsion
>remaining in a hunched poise in midair
>unfolding body to create counterweight so landing is balanced

Even if your figure was skipping rope rapidly, they should be bending FORWARD, their spine shouldn't be in a neutral position or bent backwards. They would also have the head tucked forward and down to ensure the rope has enough space to pass over it.

Before you draw a pose from memory, think about the action required to execute that pose and how you would do it. If you have a floor mirror, literally go pose in the mirror and then go back to your paper only going off the general poise and weight of your gesture.

>>3111880
>I just want to impress people I guess
That's not a good motivating factor. You won't improve unless you want to impress yourself.

Welp just drew for an hour and ended up with a shitty drawing that I felt like throwing out. When does drawing start to not feel like a compete waste of time?

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What am I doing wrong with anatomy or just in general?

I do need more dynamic poses that's for sure.

>>3113240
Stylizing and posting in /beg/ instead of /asg/.

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How do i draw ears without creating ugly dumbo monstrosities ? Also can i get some tips on drawing eyebrows (i thought this would be the easiest part of a face but my eyebrows always look out of place)

>>3113246
be honest, both threads are shit, but he belongs here

>>3112188
Ironically, Loomis' books are probably the most hand-holding art books out there. Most art books past his are just walls of text with finished pieces as reference, LMAO. Have some patience.

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First ever attempt at drapery type clothes. Kinda stalled out on the bottom half but ehh.

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>>3113240
gesture
proportions
read hampton

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I don't think I'm getting better at this.

>>3113294
They look neat. Most of them don't look stiff which is what I see in a lot of people's gesture (including my own)

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>>3113294
Try to not lose sight of the overall gesture
use it as a foundation for the overall sketch

>>3113239
when you learn to stop caring as much how well your drawing turns out and enjoy the process of drawing itself.

>>3113135
When the line of balance is straight, the figure is perfectly balanced. When you're off balance because of putting more weight on one side (like when running for example) the line tilts with the weight

>>3113254
>How do i draw ears without creating ugly dumbo monstrosities
You can use horizontal alignments to help place things on your face. for whatever reference you're using, look to see where the top and bottom of the ear line up with (they'll probably match up with somewhere where the eyes and nose are at).

What page of Fun with a Pencil has the Loomis heads that I keep seeing people complain about? it's the one where other people say to draw it from multiple angles and stuff.

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>>3113053
study individual facial features (like eyes, nose, mouth, ears) in depth

Practice extreme angles

>>3113324

The one where he stops drawing blooks and tells you to draw the whole fucking owl.

>Doing Study
>Perspective is just slightly wrong
Every time

>>3113317
Oh shit, that explains so much
But how does that work if they're in the air?

>>3113359
what book are you doing these from?

>>3113363
I'm not really using a book for these, though I did get the idea from Michael Hampton.

I'm really hoping the time I've spent doing these type of drawings are going to pay off. They seem to be all I can do at the moment.

>>3113371
>>3113371
>>3113371

>>3113371
>>3113371
>>3113371

>>3113371
>>3113371
>>3113371

>>3112759
>Literally just started drawing yesterday.
Don't draw with a mouse

>>3113135
Is this loomis?

I'm surprised a straight male could draw a very aesthetically pleasing male

sexy

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>>3113135
>>3113361
It is literally just the figure's center of gravity, Loomis is explaining it in a retarded way. Objects in the air don't have a center of gravity since gravity pulls on everything at a constant amount regardless of weight. For example if you drop a hammer sideways, both sides will hit the ground at the same time. Pretty much all 'action' in a drawing is just the objects and figure interacting with gravity.

>>3113077
Top middle's legs looking unhealthy

>>3113220
well yeah but imaginaton tends to look much better even though you all say it should be worse

>>3113224
I think the difficulty if anything is especially seeing how the reference igoing to be superimposed onnthe construction

>>3111179
Your observation skills are good. The shape of the face is a little off, but you paid a lot of attention to details. The trick is to draw only what you see. Try not to make assumptions. Get yourself a book or two on anatomy for artists. It helps to know structure and basic rules. Practice a lot and you'll improve.