/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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r8 my nose

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Refs for you bois

>>3107594
What a delicious mushroom!

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>>3107602

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Ok ,

Starting the foliage, new infant, new layer to water

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Sketches for background on above

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Cannot afford to finish

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Postponed until I have 20 tubes of ultramarine

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Painting on right re-doing, sunrise behind portrait on hold until it can be displayed if ever, portrait start again this evening, landscape on hold awaiting reference , various messes

>>3107618
are you the dude with 1 banana?

>>3107620
It was a carrot , yeah I shop waitrose sometimes taf

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>>3107613
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>>3107618
Painting must be real messy. Good thing you got your own studio right?
I think I've seen your thread before, self portraits was it? Your paintings were really great. Why post in the beg/ thread?


This ones a 15min napkin drawing with a ballpoint pen. (It was actually computer paper not napkin) I'm trying to get in the habit of making things right in the first try to speed up work flow. Can't get those angles or proportions right though.But even without art materials, a person can still draw.

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>>3107633
It's the bedroom, I sleep in the library. Generally my art is rock bottom here.

Yeah, picasso said even if he was In goal he'd draw on the ground and be an artist.

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Not a beginner but just wanted to say good job guys, keep it up. You're all gonna make it.

>1 month in and I didn't finish the Bert Dodson book
Am I going to make it?

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hows this?

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>>3107682
bait

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Am i even drawing gesture? I think I'm just doing outlines of their bodies or something

>>3107682
Brion?

>>3107687
no and you are correct for having concern
read villpu and watch proko on gesture, this should help you with understand the process.
continuing to do what you are doing will not help you. it was good that you asked since now you know to fix it.

>>3107687
> I think I'm just doing outlines of their bodies
You are. Don't try gestures before you can at least approximately feel the general proportions. Right now try copying what you see as precisely as you can, outlines are okay.

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>>3107682
Hey guys I'm back. Do you think I can start writing manga now?

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Previously I'm told to fix the same-sized hand that fucked up the perspective. I want to move on to fix the torso, any critique?

>>3107703
Your boobs kinda look like balls.

>>3107613
>>3107615
>>3107618
learn to draw correctly before you paint.
>>3107633
draw forms instead of hatching values. or you can learn edges to describe the forms if you want to keep hatching.
>>3107682
proportions.
>>3107687
proportions.
>>3107700
make forms not shapes.
>>3107703
proportions. remember to flip canvas and zoom out every once in a while. it looks like you draw sections at a time so look at the whole.

>>3107714
>learn to draw correctly before you paint
Are you Annie Clark?

>>3107718
no ive just been drawing for a long time and i realize when people paint without knowing things like forms and edges. its obvious beyond the learning of a new medium; many people with experience could point it out

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>>3107714
Most of the reference for boobs are not titty monster enough for what I need. I also tried to adjust a some body parts a bit like the head.

>>3107594
horsedick

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is this good? any tips?

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>>3107726
The pose is pretty awkward. Her wrist would snap holding a great sword like that. Don't be afraid of redoing big chunks of a drawing when it's digital.

>>3107725
Sir I have many very fine drawings. I am moving beyond such ideals that you mention which are only for the pleasement of the petty beatnik.

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>>3107714
>>make forms not shapes.
A little better?

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>>3107794
I think I'm fucked up with her right arm joint but I still not sure how exactly.

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Practicing more perspective CC please. Freehanded this time.

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>>3107816
Tug in the elbow.

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>>3107835
Something like this?

>>3107831
I think some of the proportions are a bit off

I don't have a metro around to check but that bench seems very small if those corridors on the side are people size. Same with the bars that are supposed to keep you off the rails.

I can't shade or colour any drawings. I struggle with solid colours and then turning them into subtle shades that look natural.
I kinda understand in black and white and some come out okay in that but colours through me off.

I just do art in photoshop.net which is essentially tracing and editing until the lineart looks right. I intend to learn to draw properly but for now that is fine.

No art I'd like to share though.

>>3107869
It was jsut from imagination the corridors i suppose were supposed to be people sized. Duly noted for the future.

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>>3107904
Damn sorry

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>>3107905
Roof is off center.

>Post perspective practice
>no replies
>post anatomy studies
>get ignored or called a show off
>post photo study
>ignored
>post something from imagination
>ignored
What do I have to draw to get some help? It's not like I'm posting low effort shit but whatever I post gets ignored and if I keep asking for help some condescending anon gives me cookie cutter advice while implying I'm ngmi or being malicious.

What am I supposed to be drawing?

>>3107938
>What am I supposed to be drawing?
Ask yourself first what you want to create and then build your studies around it. What exactly are you inspired from? What does your short and long term goals look like?

Often responses here aren't very helpful. Don't count on them. You better develop your critical eye and improve yourself first.

>>3107926
Thank you kind anon I see it now.

>>3107794
>Her wrist would snap holding a great sword like that.
Depends on where is its center of mass. Swords usually have counterweights on the handles.

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>>3107848
I will try and help you, since many here aren't really pointing you in the same direction.
Take this as you want.
Drawing in its most basic way is literally sculpting in 2d Space.
Think about it,
What are you trying to do when drawing something, you are trying to make something feel real on a 2d surface.
Same as sculpting in real life, just that when you add Clay its going to automatically add Form. In Drawing this is harder since it doesnt do it for you, you have to do it for yourself. Your biggest problem in your drawing isnt the Anatomy, or the damn way the elbow tucks in ( not that those wouldnt be) but they wont improve if you just try and fix them.
its the fact that your Construction is utter shit.
You see all those circles, boxes you made?
They all dont have Form, and Form IS and I repeat IS the most ESSENTIAL part in drawing.
You know Vilppu?, the thing he says all the time about feeling the Form? Thats not a meme, its actually really important you to know
He isnt spouting bullshit, he's spouting actuall real important knowledge.
1.Gesture ( Defines they way the basic forms connect with eachother and what way they go, Up, Down, etc..)
2. Basic Circular Forms , Circles Zylinder, just trying to make the forms connect.
3. Add more complext Forms like Boxes etc.
4. refine, add etc..
5. shading over the already established Form.

Now what you will do.
Go to CgPeers and torrent FigureDrawing 1 by Vilppu,do all the courses and do exactly what hes going to tell you. If you dont have the account right now watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kiKq62b9Fw&t=3610s
After that youre going to torrent all Dynamic Sketching Videos and Book.
After you have practices Form a shit tone, doing it step by step as Vilppu is telling you it.
You will be able to go and study from Hampton and Bridgeman,
Not copying the drawing, but as hes going to tell you to copy them as before said with the same order.
Do this and you will already be better than 95% of /ic/

>>3107938
Show your posts, I'll give you critique.

>>3107965
>pirating stuff is the only way to learn

>>3107977
I don't lurk /beg/ often but holy fuck I've seen the same type of stupid reply all over the board, intentionally ignoring the point of the post replying with the dumbest greentext. You've been ignored for a long while weren't you?

Here's your (you). Fuck off.

Hey /beg/, which do you prefer when doing repetition

A timer by doing as much as you can within the limit? Or a set parts practice for the day, say 15 X/day? For me I feel like if I don't do enough of X for the day I am not satisfied regardless of time.

>>3107985

A little mix of both, I usually do 1/2 to 1 hour of warmup doodling of the last thing I learned, then I have 3-4 hours of learning. If in those 3-4 hours I feel I didn't achieve what I wanted, I feel like shit.

>>3107985
If I'm learning something I'll do it for as long as it takes me to do a page full, if I want to be faster I time myself.

do you guys keep your drawing studies for figure and gesture drawing. like do you bother keeping the psd files or computer paper or whatever? it seems so tedious keeping track of all of it but at the same time i feel i should be keeping it because i can

>>3107994

I like keeping a few to see the improvement from it later on, but anything I'd be proud of while practicing I know I'll do better in the future, so there's no point to saving it. I have stacks of practice printer paper with anatomy studies that I need to recycle.

>>3107994
>tfw have all digital drawings saved and see the progress a year later
Tear shedding stuff

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I'm going crazy here guys. I'm doing gesture practice for at least a week now and I don't feel that I'm improving at all.

Drawing these with more this detail as I'm doing now is a good thing or should I focus only on the gesture and draw simpler forms and do more of them and faster?

Also, how shit I am at it?

>>3107982
This is literally my first post like this, fucktard. I'm not "ignoring" anything, I don't want to talk to you about anything except the subject I brought up, which is your attitude toward the paid courses. It would be okay if you suggested pirating them as an alternative for those who can't afford them, but bying stuff doesn't even occur to you, it seems.

>>3108009
I was doing those contour gestures for a bit until my teacher said it was limiting me for one and 2 it pretends to fill in information I don't know which is bad. They're more "clear" yeah but working from the outside in is counterproductive as a beginner.

>>3107627
Then how do you expect to afford paint, why don't you just but your food from HARRODS YOU DECADENT FUCK!

>>3107682
breasts are a bit small and saggy

>>3108013
http://vilppuacademy.com/2013/sign-up/
Well shit dude, maybe since its a class that you have to enroll in for 900USD.
I dont know that, but i dont belive anybody on here got that kind of money.
But you are more than welcomed to do so.

>>3108022
the usual torrent sites have it for free*

>>3108015
It may be my bad English comprehension (I'm Polish), but I'm not sure what the fuck are you talking about. Can you be more clear on what do mean by that.

Or maybe I'm a retard that should learn more English first.

>>3107880
What's stopping you from replying to me?

The
>No art I'd like to share though.
?

>>3108031
Didn't even know you were looking for a reply, just seemed like a blog post.

>>3108009
Also, how shit I am at it?
I'd not even consider this gesture drawing.

https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
Pick 60 seconds
set a timer to 20mins
start drawing.

>>3108028
>Or maybe I'm a retard that should learn more English first.

In short contour = bad. Yes work on your engrish.

>>3108009
Holy shit how are you so good?

>>3107938
Show me 1 (one) post of you actively asking for critique and I'll suck your dick

>>3108015
That's weird considering the next stage is values and having the outline helps.

>>3107938
It's obvious who you are from your anatomy study part. You just need to shut the fuck up and keep drawing.

>>3108054
OK, it is bad. Could you EXPLAIN to me why? Your earlier post was allover the place and I couldn't get why it's supposed to be bad.

>>3108060
At this point I don't know if everyone is trolling me.

>>3108069

You're in a /beg/ thread, you clearly can improve but mind you that there's a bunch of people here who can't draw like you do yet, so they think it's really good.

>>3108069
Contours are just the beginning of a study. Finish it with detail.

>>3108069
>when the guy is good but doesn't realize it
So this is talent

>>3108069

It's bad because the point of gesture is to draw the movement of the figure, and contour is the opposite of that.

>>3107601
CUTE!

>>3108009

At least you are better than me.

>>3108079
Now paint her like a French girl anon

>>3108071
I try to be really critical towards myself, maybe I overdid it.

>>3108060
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>>3108080

I guess, Thank You guys. You made me feel good about myself for a little bit.

>>3108072
Now I understand. I will work on that, thanks.

>>3108078
Ok, I think I get what you mean.

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Oh, hey. My drawing is in the OP, I don't know how to feel about it.

Anyways, 4th day of eyes, moving onto the nose later today.

Drawing random eyes in different poses from imagination, no values, trying to really nail the construction.

Any critique helps, please tell me what I'm doing wrong and what I could do to improve them. My goal is to be able to construct the eyes at any angle from imagination.

>>3107805
the upper arm is a visible cylinder so that is an improvement.
take for instance the fingers. they do not describe a form and neither are they described by a form. they are outlines and make up shapes. When i teach people how to draw i make them draw actual cylinders in perspective and forget about fingers all together.
>>3107726
just draw a straight line down the center of the body and you will see that the lower body is off center and skewed. the limbs are second when trying to establish perspective so try to get down the large masses. as for practice, I would continue drawing human bodies in perspective for practicing complex forms in perspective, but do not forget to brush up on basics and check simple things like alignment.
>>3107797
now i know why the other anon said this was bait. we are in a beginner thread, and assuming you are beginning in art, there is no reason why you should stray from fundamentals to reach something "higher". unless you hold no value in how others perceive your art (which isnt true since you are posting it online for advice or exposure), keep doing what youre doing.
>>3107831
keep drawing and practice forms. i realize the paper may be smaller than it appears, but you are drawing a bunch of lines that have no structure. draw the beams as cylinders and the planes of surfaces like the bench as prisms.
>>3108009
flow and gesture shouldnt be as big as a focus as those arms and legs. CYLINDERS. keep going but dont worry about doing more faster. worry about doing all of them correctly whether it takes you a week a picture.
>>3108098
draw forms not lines. there should be ledges and forms that peak off of the face. dont be afraid to draw over things or overlap. break free from your symbol drawing you can do it

>>3108103

Eye guy here. I lightly erase the forms I used for construction after I draw over them, so I guess it looks like I skipped that step. In any case, do you think it still looks like symbol drawing? Dang, I'll try to work on them more before moving on, then.

>>3108108
Now do it without erasing so we see how you do your construction

>>3108009
First of all, you're not drawing gestures. Secondly, study perspective. Then, if you're doing what you're doing, at least copy correctly. But this anon is right >>3108015, either actually study anatomy, or do gestures.

>>3108108
yes. I have drawn those same eyes many many times and i know just from memory that the curves of the eyeball and brow are much different. the brow is a good place to try to understand your error because they should be very pronounced and angled away from the rest of the face. the replacement of the silhouette which should describe the forms with a line that shows direction is an oversimplification. you can erase your forms, but their presence, and location in space should all easily be visible through other elements of the drawing such as overlapping and size difference. so try to draw from more extreme angles too.
i remember when i was starting to draw i would have angles where half of the eye would not be visible but i would still try to fit it in. now i cut the fucker off without hesitation and i think you need to really look at the model/picture and draw exactly what is there. good luck

Are there any resources on how to construct eyes well? I have so much trouble with them.

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>>3107598
Bed time, will continue tomorrow

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>tfw your always just a little bit off
>tfw you realize the long road ahead
>tfw you realize you were never really that good

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r8 this

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>>3108111

Here's how I go about them, using the Proko method from his videos. First I draw the brow line and the eye socket changing the planes depending on the face tilt. Then I wrap eyelids around the shape,

>>3108130

I see. I'm trying to draw them from imagination without a reference, but I guess I'm not there yet so I should use references for now? If it's not much of a bother, could you do a quick redline of my mistakes to see if I understand what you meant correctly? If not, it's ok too. I'll keep practicing

>>3108133
I used Proko but I'm seconding this question in case there's a better resource out there I could use.

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>>3108137
Welcome to hell, you're amongst friends here.

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>>3108148
sorry but i draw almost all-exclusively in traditional and dont have access to a tablet right now, but yes you should always try to use a reference until you have a very good understanding of creating space and abiding by its rules and perspective.
these examples are much better with thickness, but look at this example of an eye that i got just from searching up proko. it is in a very similar pose to your drawing in the upper right but has obvious improvements in its confidence and depth as a result of the thickness of the forms that make it easily readable, constistancy in perspective which does the same, better line quality which describes the surface of the forms, and value. the value you dont have to worry about until you are comfortable (and i wouldnt worry about it until you are very very very comfortable) but hopefully you can see where you can improve. lastly, try to draw each eye about the size of your palm. I draw torsos on paper larger than the span of my hand and many people draw way too small. it will help you with understanding ledges especially.

>>3108176

Hey, I appreciate it. I'll stick to references and construction and less on trying to making it look pretty without knowing how to draw pretty just yet. Thanks, bruv.

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It's been a week roughly since I started drawing, been reading the keys to drawing and drawing my left hand in various positions and focusing on that rather than the paper itself. It's been tough changing how I've always drawn, but I do feel like it's making a difference. Am I at a point where I should start drawing more from life? I think my lines still lack confidence, so I need to practice that more, or is that less important at this stage?

>>3108187
Your lines indeed need confidence. Do lesson 1 of Drawabox or Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching. Whichever you prefer but Drawabox is more beginner friendly.

>>3108187
It's never too early to start drawing from life.

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>>3108189
>>3108190

Appreciated guys, I went over it afterwards and the lines are definitely much better once I have a clear idea of what I'm doing. But I'll take both these points on and do those thanks.

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Alright, tried with reference and tried to shade it too.

Happier with the results than the other I did (it's the OP image) but there's still measuring mistakes. The eyes are more open than they should be, and she's looking the other way. Left iris is bigger. Eyes are too far apart.

Anything I myself have missed? I'm always more concerned about the problems I fail to notice about my own work.

Has anyone watched Hampton's second video?
After doing a week of gesture drawing, I just finished watching the second video and it was kinda overwhelming with all the skeletal terminology and whatnot.
What would be the best way to practice what he taught in that lesson?

>>3108238
Too wide and open, not long enough compared to the real image. Also don't give light reflection in eyes a black outline.

>>3108009
>A week of work
>I'm not improving!

Kek.

>>3107643
considering how much people just seem to talk about talent everywhere else in this board, us /beg/s are the ones drawing the most

/beg/ will take over the world

I won't leave this board even if I become good just to represent

>>3108374
To be fair, /asg/ and /draw/ draw just as much as /beg/.

>>3107769
nope

take more time with your drawing, measure, erase, draw again, measure, erase..

I feel entire bodies might be a bit too complicated for your skill level.. I mean, you are gonna improve your observation skills anyway, if you really wanna keep drawing bodies, but learn basic proportions and were things generally are.. learn basic 3D shapes.. draw simpler things but try to make those simple things look good and detailed.. draw body parts one by one (just an arm, just an eye, etc) and the body construction do it separately, with mannequins or w/e

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>>3105030
day 12
taking anon's advice and trying to use heavier pencils like 8B to make better constrast with lighter values
i apologize for the dirty scanner

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some uninspired bots

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>>3108103
>now i know why the other anon said this was bait. we are in a beginner thread, and assuming you are beginning in art, there is no reason why you should stray from fundamentals to reach something "higher". unless you hold no value in how others perceive your art (which isnt true since you are posting it online for advice or exposure), keep doing what youre doing.

m8 this is a drawing by Lucian Freud. Throw out the water.

How the fuck do is stop my digital paintings from looking like blurry shit?

>>3108403
By putting in more time and decreasing your brush size

>>3108376
/asg/ does for sure, it's probably the best general here and there's plenty of quality work there, /draw/ has a lot of quality work too but they don't post as much and often I see the people that post good work admit they are not drawing everyday

/beg/ is bad but there's always someone drawing and posting

long live /beg/

Does anyone have a good resource on learning how to draw the nose (and face in general)? Proko hauls ass in his videos sped up at 2x for some reason and it's more of a narrated speedpaint than an actual lesson.

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>>3108415
Any constructive criticism?

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I feel kinda directionless / intimidated when it comes to drawing. I feel like I have nearly no patience once it comes to drawing. On the other hand, I'm able to do 3d zbrush studies and spend a lot of time on one thing no problem (although still kind of rushed), but when it comes to paper I can't spend more than 20 minutes on fucking anything. Pic related is the last thing i was able to do patiently, already a year ago or so. I just feel like an idiot when I draw sometimes, like I'm too uptight or something? How do I remedy this?

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>>3108356
To clarify even more, this is what the lesson was mainly about. Shapes, Landmarks using the bones, and volume.
How do I apply these to the drawings, and what would be some good starting practice materials for it?

>>3108400
LEAVE BEG

>>3108422
The idea that I got from this is to identify those landmarks and their relationship to one another to serve as a way of drawing from imagination. Look for them in every drawing and notice their relationships to one another.

>>3108421

I'm like the exact opposite of you, I can draw very well but when it comes to 3D modelling as soon as I open the Blender interface I feel intimidated and can't do anything, watching tutorials only confuse and infuriate me. Fuck vertices, fuck weight painting and especially fuck rigging.

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How is this? Looks off?

>>3108456
get out of /beg/

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>>3108460

I still consider myself a beginner, the people over at /draw/ are too good

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>>3107589 (OP)
what do you guys think?
ignore the unfinished ones.
feedback welcome.
is a vagina purse.

>>3108456
Looks good.

I see you know your vehicle sketching techniques my goy.

maybe a lil too square in the torso

>>3108475
>maybe a lil too square in the torso

I see it now, I'll try to make it more readable. Thanks.

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>>3108474

Is this a horse/cow pussy?

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Can someone demonstrate how the Loomis Divided Ball and Plane method works for drawing anime girls heads? They are my end goal after all

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Seeing progress feels good

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>>3108495

Is it possible that someone (me) is just not even able to learn to draw? I'm 6 months in and I don't feel like its going very well.

>>3108495
How many hours apart? Two?

>>3108503
Show us something, my guess is you are practicing bad stuff or inefficiently. Or you can be delusional about your number of hours put in.

>>3108505
LOL

I don't care if I'm still not great, any improvement makes me happy.

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>>3108492
Something like that

Is a vagina purse

>>3108507
I don't have any means to share. I generally put in 3 hours a day if not more. I practice only different sections of the body in one perspective or position at a time. Today I was trying to draw legs with a perspective slightly angled up but I always have trouble with shapes that taper towards the camera. I feel like I'm just not getting it though. Stuck in symbol drawing hell and can't foreshorten worth a shit.

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JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

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First time using a drawing tablet.
Can't even draw a straight line.
Should i just pratice my lines for a week before moving on?

>>3108518
yes

>>3108515

Well it looks right on track

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>>3108523
thank you

>>3108508
anon's just being an envious dick. keep up the practice, anon. I want to see how far you can go.

>>3108516
You're probably too old m8. You cant really learn to visualize things properly to draw well past the age of 25

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>>3108524
Do people really pay money for us to draw them vagina purses?

>>3108527
I'm just going to try to roll dubs to ignore what you just said

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>>3108532

Ignore her regardless, lmao. The average FZD student (one of the best and most hardcore concept design schools in the world) is aged 25 when they join.
What you need to do, is dive balls deep into Perspective (Do Vandruff Art of Science and Scott Robertson how to draw book, in that order).

You're probably doodling around think moving your arm alone will get you good, and that's not true. You need to understand how real life optics work to some extend, kid.
If you post some work, I'll be able to better judge.

>>3108534
obviously those people have drawn a lot before that tho right? I mean they need a portfolio.

>>3108541
in a podcast, the FZD guy himself says that the average person filling out the shit to get in claims they practice 3 hours a day, and he even said that he believes that number is exaggerated.

>>3108541

Not really, it's more about the money and showing you do have some basic ideas. Some of the work people got in with is way worse than some of things /beg/ post.

>>3108541

Look, you can see the before and after of FZD students here.


>http://fzdschool.com/entertainment-design/before-and-after

Doing Loomis figure drawing how long should I spend copying each exercise. Like the mannekin one

>>3108564
3 mins

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>>3108528
ye

>>3108541
They need a design portfolio that's really just to give an idea of where you are, because their school grades you based on your improvements, so the people who are already good don't just blaze through.

>>3108572
That seems short. I'm talking like per page of full mannekin. Like page 39 for example the full figure mannekin.

>>3108577
he's messing with you. there is no set time, there rarely is in art. do it until it clicks for you.

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R8 my first anatomy study

>>3108586
You should start with one body part rather than trying to tackle the whole thing at once

>>3108588
So im just supposed to have a page full of necks? Nigga thats some dumb shit.

>>3108591
>strawman

>>3108586
It's a page full of symbols. Either read the sticky (or if you want to skip that) go straight to Keys to Drawing and you'll be fine for the next couple months or so as long as you absorb the information in there.

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>>3108038
Thank you guys for this thread and advice. I aim to learn to draw bodies. I usually never take a doodle past the shoulders and finally aim to fix this. Is the right kind of practice or am I too stuck in shapes?

>>3108586
2/10 anatomies

>>3108574

How much? If you don't mind me asking.

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>>3108608
I think the client said my art was worth 30 dollars.
I sold it for 4.

>>3108584
Thanks

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>>3108609

Don't you do that, cunt. If he is willing to pay 30 dollars, then accept it. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you a liberal or something?

>>3108517
pls reply
do I repeat the exercise, draw something else or get the bleach?

>>3108629

Sip of bleach, then do it again. Read what you're supposed to be doing while drawing, so you don't do it wrong. Put on some music and go at it. It's not about making it look pretty, it's about understanding the exercise.

>>3108609

30$ is awesome, how long have you been drawing? Got a blog?

>>3108517
So few people do this exercise that it almost makes you think if /beg/ even read the sticky.

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>>3108618
I can't. The client help me test my payment stuff.
it didnt work, so I dont have a way to get paid for now lol. he wasted 4 dollars on testing.
>>3108642
a year and a half.
I used
vk
.com/id366484900

but I'm changing to
minds.com/Anarcartoonist

I'll start uploading my stuff in the minds one so bookmark that blog instead the of the vk one.

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Am I doing anything overly wrong in my practice? I know I'm still shit but just wanna make sure I'm not fucking up hugely

>>3108652
No, there's nothing wrong. They're just a little wonky. So keep drawing, experiment, maybe leave some simple marks where features might be and do the necks so it's not just floaty heads.

>>3108658
I just find it hard to draw the contour lines of the sphere. But if I don't draw them it ends looking much worse.
I will try to mark in the features, although any deck I draw looks funny.
Also my proportions are all over the place it seems with the jaw

>>3108661

It's fine, as long as it's a circle, the pieces will fall in place. Start learning the proportions, where the eye sockets are, where the brow line is, where the nose is, how the nosetrils allign with the tearducts, etc.

All the pieces will fall in place as you keep learning.

>>3108649
>>3108642
You know what?
I'm testing minds and its a pile of crap.

Im sticking to the vk one

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I'll keep trying..
Drawing facial features isnt working out well. I guess I'll keep struggling along with loomis until it starts to look good

>>3108665

I like the VK better, I should make a blog too. Maybe I could be making a few bucks on the side to buy me some macaronis or something

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>>3108649
I think i finally nailed the fleshy feel of the folds in the bottom left-middle.

what do you guys think?

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I'm stuck, I need tips to draw shoulders and arms from an above perspective. Pic kinda related.

>>3108681
why are you posting the same image over and over

>>3108685
Is not the same

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Can anyone help me understand why my sketches don't have any presence?
Something feels off and i don't get it.

>>3108136
gtfo reeee

>>3108695
For one you are not pushing your values. Blackest blacks, whitest whites, my guy.

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>>3108518
continuing on from yesterday.

need answer >>3107442

>>3108730
At fucking least play around and get familiar with the program you've chosen while doing this, for example learn some basic keybinds.

>>3108737
There are many styles of rendering and painting. Does it look right?

>>3108741
>does it look right?
does it?

>>3108742
How the fuck would I know when I don't know what you're drawing? Draw a ball.

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How are these gestures?

>>3108744
let me explain
a couple of threads ago an anon told me to gain a competent understanding of the basics of painting because it would benefit my draughtsmans rendering

does it look generally ok?

>>3108745
beginner

>>3108746
It probably doesn't. Again, as I already said I wouldn't know because I don't know what it's supposed to be, you didn't provide any information. What are those forms? Are they flat, like spilled liquid? Cause that's what they look like. Either draw a ball, or tell us what you tried to do.

>>3108745
Unreadable.

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>>3108517
>>3108629
>>3108644
I somehow made it worse more bleach then?

>>3108719
My pencil can't go any darker or it gives a shine which i don't like. Using Charcoal pencils makes everything super dark and its harder to control.

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rate my weeb character

>>3108745
these are not gestures

Just wanted to ask. Say you're doing a study and you notice something is wrong and trash it, is it still worth posting for critique?

>>3108804
stfu and just do it again. stop looking for validation

>>3108811
Paintbrushes and shit are hard to control too but you still use them because they are good

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>>3108811
>My pencil can't go any darker
>pencil
>singular

>Using Charcoal pencils makes everything super dark and its harder to control

Fucking seriously.

>>3108842
Hell no man, the /beg/ police will come after you for unjust critique solicitation

Dude, nobody cares what you post as long as you don't spam the thread, if you've only got a piece of trash to show off then post it, worst case you'll get someone telling you to fuck off. Whether it's worth it or not depends entirely on the people reading the thread that day, sometimes you get good advice on a literal turd, other times you don't get any input no matter what you post

>>3108853
>Hell no man, the /beg/ police will come after you for unjust critique solicitation

Kek

>Dude, nobody cares what you post as long as you don't spam the thread, if you've only got a piece of trash to show off then post it, worst case you'll get someone telling you to fuck off. Whether it's worth it or not depends entirely on the people reading the thread that day, sometimes you get good advice on a literal turd, other times you don't get any input no matter what you post

It's mainly because I realize I've fucked up and realize what I did wrong. But it makes me wonder if going through to completion will make you learn more.

>>3108842
Not really, the point of critique is so people can help you know what's wrong with it so you can fix it.

The obvious course of action would be to fix what you think it's wrong, if it still looks bad after that then go ahead and ask. Don't be like retards that post all-bad drawings and ask for redlines.

>>3108858
>The obvious course of action would be to fix what you think it's wrong, if it still looks bad after that then go ahead and ask. Don't be like retards that post all-bad drawings and ask for redlines.

Yeah, I guess I'm just getting frustrated as we all do when you can't get something right.

I never knew how difficult painting faces is. Environments just seems so much easier at times.

whos a cute non asian non nigger girl to paint? since the /beg/ thread doesnt post any fucking ref anymore

>>3108818
2.6/10 animemes.

>>3108862
Read the thread >>3107601

>>3108862
>cute
>non asian
the word you are looking for is beautiful

>>3108882
i like se asians but im pretty sure 4chan refers to the flat face ones when they mean asian. okay ill pick out a nice vietnamese fucking shit to paint

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im thinking this one?

How do people get so many likes on Instagram for shitty art? My art is shitty too, I should be able to get just as many likes.

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needed to take a break and clense the palette after just drawing hot chicks

>>3108518
>Should i just pratice my lines for a week before moving on?

obviously not

>fuck up study
>try again
>realize the perspective is wrong
>try again
>values get fucked
>try again in greyscale

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

>>3108926
Good, you're learning.

>>3108945
Honestly I'm still failing and having a hell of a time.

I think it's because all this time I've been dodging learning. Even though I'm mediocre at landscapes my composition and perspective have always been weak.

Now I'm doing portraits I'm forced to learn from square one. It's a blast.

Requesting a good complementary resource to Loomis' head construction. Mainly the nose, it's giving me a lot of trouble placing the nose in different angles.

I know I'll get someone telling me to just draw a lot of noses but if I'm doing the baseline wrong, then I'm not really going to achieve anything by doing it wrong multiple times. Proko is usually really good but his face construction videos are so sped up and his "you should be able to do this already" approach bums me out.

Ok you fags keep telling me to read Loomis so what order should I be reading his boos? Is FWAP entry level? I think I saw someone say figure drawing goes first but it references FWAP so what the fuck. Halp.

>>3107601
So I did a study of this.

It still sucks and had proportion, value and issues with the eyes (too big and too high) but feel free to critique the fuck out of it so I can figure out what else it wrong.

>>3109008
FWAP is entry level.

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>>3109063
Oops, forgot the image.

How do I start seeing things in shapes

>>3109080
Develop schizophrenia?

>>3109080
By looking at things and drawing over them or breaking them down into shapes. Yes, you got to do it yourself family, there's no handholding.

>>3109082
But how do I know what shapes to use

>>3108918
crit anyone?

>>3109085
Family, what kind of shapes do you think there are? Didn't you take a math class?

>>3108918
Is it a penis?

Why is it so dark underneath? The highlight around the glans forskin is a bit overdone.

>>3108804
JUST

>>3109069
>>3109063
1. stop seeing the features as features
2. increase brush size and lay it down
3. decrease brush size as you go into specifics
4. wa la

the good news: i think your values are accurate. you are just not using digital in the most efficient way

>>3109107
Thanks. I think I was tightning up due to doing portraits since I tend to do exactly that when I do enviroments.

What did you mean by stop seeing the features as features though?

>>3109108
i didnt want to sound like a memer, but the symbol drawing is still festering within thee

>>3109112
Nope, that's fine. I don't paint people very often and despite doing some head studies and drawings I tend to have difficultes with the eyes. I'm probably still seeing them as symbols instead of eyes with overlapping eyelids.

I really should do some eye studies. Thanks for the advice anon.

>>3109112
Actually I also get what you mean. Since I didn't layer the paint down I got caught up in replicating it as a symbol without learning anything.

Guess I better do it again.

>>3109115
No problem, keep going man. Be gentle with your use of black, it really nails down the viewers eyes.

>>3109118
Yeah, I was having problems with the eyes.

I should start blocking in the values before getting right down to the detail parts. Bad habit, will try and do it for the next one.

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Guys I have a question, more so related to content rather than technique... tho i appreciate input about the drawing too.

Is it ok to use photos of your friends as your model for nudes, even tho the photos your friend sent are not nude??

bit more context:
I have a friend and she's super cute. She sends me selfies sometimes of her outfits, like, wearing the t-shit of her favorite band, jeans, and cool accessories. I can't help but notice the shape of her body and she's totally a cutie... so I'm using one of the selfies as reference to draw her naked. i was mostly interested in practicing the belly part. but i feel really weird about making a nude drawing of her without her permission. but i love her body and it seemed perfect. i gave it an anime-ish face but the hair style style resembles her... i can't show the whole drawing, but here's the most important part i think.

//even tho i'm using a photo i'm still struggling with drawing the hands. will work on that later.

>>3109139
Creep.

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>>3108818

>>3109144
You shouldn't be doing animes until you understand realistic head construction.

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Trying to work on drawing from sight. I'll post the reference next.

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>>3109147
Plz rate

>>3109146
>he thinks you need to use realistic head construction for anime
No, you need to use anime head construction. You just can't ask /beg/ for advice on style since they aren't /asg/ apparently.

>>3109149
Understand, not use. How can you simplify something you don't understand to begin with? But yes this isn't a thread for rating animes.

>>3109148
This is a surprisingly HD screenshot. It's been so long since I watched this movie that I didn't realize the actress looked this good.

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Anyone who's terrible, really bad (God awful) at drawing can get good at it if they draw and study at least 6 days a week, right ?

The only thing I'm 100% sure about is that giving up again won't cause improvement.

>>3109155
Anyone can get good with proper, focused study.

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First time doing digital and values. Got any critique and advice?

>>3109155
Sticky answers this question.

>>3109155
>giving up again
>again

Don't be a fucking pussy and just draw.

>>3109154
She's very pretty. But I already knew that. Is my art just as pretty?

>>3109166

No. Keep drawing from sight, but also learn construction and anatomy. That way you'll notice improvements and mistakes you're doing along the way. Keep it up and don't feel sad if you drew something bad, you'll get better. Do your best and don't be afraid of criticism.

>>3109169
Thanks.

And believe me, if I was afraid of criticism I probably wouldn't be posting on /ic./

>>3109139
Fucking kek. Hope to see you on TV with a restraining order soon.

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Is it possible to make good portraits without construction?

>>3109159
Muddy values. Get a brush that's more solid and don't abuse the opacity option.

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>>3109174

>>3109174
Yes.

https://youtu.be/HYuchsferpE

>>3109177
I didn't touch the opacity.

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>hey these few turned out pretty good I think I'm improving
>2 days later
>these were shit all along

every time why is this happening bros

>>3109199
Then you're ethier lying or using a crappy brush with pen pressure enabled.

>>3109201
You can only go up from there. It's your eye getting better at picking up detail and imperfections.

>>3109203
Previously I did only traditional drawing so I just picked some random brush and started drawing.
I didn't know you should disable the pressure.

>>3109211
Yeah, pen pressure means you change the opacity based on the pressure you put down. Better off removing it an manually changing it for a clean image.

The overall form was good so just redo it with a solid brush to get the values down.

>>3109088
its a shadow of the penis on the balls, its a bit much i know but my main focus was the penile meat

>>3109215
Oh, ok that makes sense. I had to redo my strokes to get the value that I wanted and it was quite annoying. Thank you for the advice.

>>3109221
No problem. Keep at it anon :)

So Keys to Drawing is the best book to read and practice with if you're a genuine 0/10 beginner?

/beg/ is awfully friendly lately. what's up with that?

>>3109225
it's a great entry point, check the sticky to know how to follow up.

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>>3109226
>/beg/ is awfully friendly lately. what's up with that?

I've just come here and decided it's better to be nice and constructive than a total cunt.

Anyway I'm done with this value study. The eyes and lips are wonky but I'll just try and improve on the next one.

>>3109146
lmao how krueger can you be?

I cant draw with a charcoal pencil. The sound of it sliding across the paper is absolutely unbearable.

>>3109173
>>3109141
I'll send her the picture once it's done. Tho i'll send the clothed version. I'll add pants.

>>3109173
>>3109141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0YVNimYUlg

>>3109251
>normies

This isn't r9k faggot. Go back to your hugbox with all other demotivated losers.

>>3108471
wat u read to learn that technique?

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I'm almost done with my vagbag.

feedback welcome.

disregard the unfinished coloring

>>3109276
Han or Robertson most likely.

>>3109277
What the fuck man

>>3109277
woudlve been nice if you drew it better. i will steal this idea

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>>3109277

>>3109283
Gloves are better to be honest desu.

>>3109283
>>3109279
>>3109285

whats wrong with it.

like I said, feedback welcome

>>3109277
Holy fuck, my sides

>>3109297
it looks like a first sketch after getting an idea. terrible lines and no form or direction. that is why i will write down this idea and finish my own version later.

>>3109301
Tags: NTR

>>3109301
oh.

redline appreciated or a good example on how to make it better.

I understand the sketchy lines, but why no form or direction?

I read the sticky and I still don't know where to start and dump a ton of time into. Would doing portraits and learning head construction be okay first?

>>3109311
>I read the sticky and I still don't know where to start and dump a ton of time into.
NGMI

>>3109314
Yeah I guess. Can't even start

>>3109308
i do not own my own tablet, friend. so i cannot redline, but i can try to describe what i see.
i just dont see any form or flow... the bottom of the bag being loose makes sense if you are imitating skin, but there is really no form showing through anywhere. even loose items have ledges, peaks, and more minor forms within them on top of being recognizable forms themselves. did you even try to draw prisms that show the bag's direction in perspective? it is not visible.
the idea is enough for a giggle though

>>3109316
>>3109311
Think about what you enjoy doing first then do that. You'll make far more milage if you do.

Do you like environments? Characters? Veichles ect?

>>3109316
Yeah, especially when the sticky spells it out for you too.

>>3109324
I want to draw anime girls

>>3109327
Learn female anatomy then. Loomis meme (even though I don't think Loomis is even that great) and general value studies of females then once you get proficient learn to stylize the knowledge you've gained.

>>3109327
Well, you can download pictures of a bunch of inferior 3dpd girls and work on studying their proportions to later apply to anime

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>>3109321
ah
that
No.

I tried to disregard and blur the line between square and something like a bean bag.

Since I wanted to give the cense of flesh and that. Most of those bags are actually from references so is not like there is no perspective I didn't apply.

But as long as someone can read it well and gets the punchline/boner across then I'm fine with it.

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>>3109332
thanks, I'll just start with the head then I guess

>>3109324
But /ic/ says don't try to draw anything until you've drawn boxes in perspective for months

>>3109422
If you want to git gud you need to find the balance between practice and imaginative application. Without application of your ability you will never truly learn, you'll just get good at copying.

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Nobody critted this last time; it was my first try in construction and making an actual face with lips and shit.

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>>3109607
Well done, you did well. The outline is a little heavy, maybe use a light black pen and draw with quick care free strokes? Something like this is perfect for your illustration, you might find it a lot easier to work with.