Why be an artist when it contributes nothing to society?

>>3100281
Society should fail and art should record its degradation over time.

>>3100284
our society is doing well though
we make hundreds of scientific advancements and slowly change the world for the better while the failures make videogames and porn of cartoon girls to express their virgin rage

>>3100286
Okay but I have no reason to care about upholding that because society is generally problematic

>>3100286
>our society is doing well though
hearty kek

>>3100281
Because I'm selfish and I don't care about contributing to society.

>>3100286

What does shitposting on a Tibetan basket weaving forum do for the good of society, anonymous?

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>>3100281
>Why make abhorrent posts on the internet when it contributes nothing to society?
>Why practice free will when it ultimately leads to hindered progress?
>why do what you love for a living when Big Brother needs you to shovel shit?
I could go on forever, and art does contribute by the way; inspiration comes from all works of art, and therefore new ideas come to fruition. Ever read a book anon?

>>3100284
shut the fuck up cuck

>>3100281
Because it's fun? Why should you even contribute to society? The existence of mankind has led to the extinction of thousands of species. I mean, life is inherently meaningless. You live, you eat you shit and then you die. Why waste what little time you have on earth contributing to a species that's probably gonna wipe itself out in the end when instead you can enjoy yourself.

Now, even though I say this, I work a part time job. But I don't work because I want to contribute to society, fuck society, I work because I need fucking money. I need money to pay the rent, buy food and buy art supplies.

>paying taxes to the government using money you earned does nothing for society

>>3100281
Why judge acts based on some arbitrary estimate of their contribution to society?

>>3100281
society literally would not exist without art

1) It indirectly contributes to the society
2) A human society without art would be boring to death
3) Some of us, like me, combine art & something else that contribute to the society... I'm studying IT & I draw too!

>>3100281
Art is culture anon.

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>>3100281
Why shitpost when it contributes nothing to the board?

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>>3100281
>putting your worth as an individual by how much you benefit society

That's real spooky, m8.

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>>3100281
Utilitarians pls go

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>>3100329
>why contribute to a species thatll wipe itself out
>proceeds to drop out of society and help wipe out said species

Its like pottery

It helps build confidence. Its not like we dont do other things with our lives. :^>

>>3100281
>it contributes nothing to society
Artists do contribute to society; otherwise nobody would care about hiring or commissioning them.
And artists can have a variety of jobs and some of them are really practical and useful; like industrial designers, scientific illustrators or architects.

>why be (...) when it contributes nothing to society?
You're implying that one should choose a job that will please society, which is arguable in modern times.

>>3100289
It really is. Income inequality is bad, and intellectual freedom is low, but there's less poverty and disease than ever.

Any problems you see, like racism, are literally at the same or lower levels than ever before and are in rapid decline, despite visibility magnification by social media.

>>3100281
It does contribute to society but its not essential for it to run.

>>3100524
it is essential because human aren't robots

>>3100281
When people aren't working they eat and consume media.
Artists make that media.

>>3100281
>tfw I'm literally both people in that pic right to the bioinformatic.

Do I get to skip killing myself?

Imagine a world without art, though.

Art contributes the most to the society, only behind religion. On the contrary, politics, economy, and technology are extremely destructive not just for the society, but for the world itself. You can't kill over art, art gives hope, it's the purest form of charity.

Everything that isn't a natural formation like a rock or a shrub was designed as part of the artistic process, and depending on whether they were deliberately arranged or not even things like that can be. Applied art, design and media are all an important part of the modern human's experience. Nothing is purely utilitarian. Everything is art. Kill yourself you big bongo lipped baboon.

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>>3100677
>Everything is art.
No.

>>3100695
Yes.

>>3100281
why would i want to support society, it sucks

>>3100416
this right here

>>3100696
The only forms of art are those with a spiritual purpose. The rest are just entertainment and practical tools.

>>3100714
No.

>>3100416
Isn't that what a job is? Your worth (how much you get paid) is decided by how much you benefit a company.

>>3100716
From Tarkovsky himself:
>Shortly, It seems to me that in order to build any concept, in particular, a look at art, you need to first answer a different question, a lot more important and generalized. Why does a man live, what is the point of human existence? Using our being on this Earth in order to uplift ourselves spiritually. That means that art of ours must serve to that purpose. If, to say, I chose another principle and meaning of life for myself, evidently, art too would have a different meaning for me and I would have to make up something else. But as I define the meaning of human existence in that exact way, it seems to me that art too must help the man to evolve in that direction. Shortly, art serves to help people to change and grow spiritually. Don't know, there was a point of view that art is as educational as the rest of human intellectual and spiritual activity on this planet. I don't really believe in possibility of learning, I am almost an agnostic. Knowledge more and more distracts us from the main goal, from the main thought of our main knowledge of the world. So, the the more we know the less we know about it. We go in deep and thus lose the ability to take a bigger look at what we call life and the world. Art serves a man to help him, to say, soar spiritually, rise above himself, using what we call free will.

>>3100281
Because, society needs me.

Unless you're at the top of your field doing research on the most important topics and actually publishing valid responses to said topics and their problems, you're probably not contributing all that much.
The majority of engineers, mathematicians, programmers, chemists etc... are doing jack shit and just doing generic pointless jobs for their next paycheck. It's contributing no more to society overall than a bunch of waiters.

>>3100286
Who the fuck is 'we'?

>>3100281
Visual artists account for the majority of content of the entertainment industries. They make movies, tv shows, comics, wearables, design buildings and just about every product ever sold. If you think all commerce everywhere and helping make all the things you use every day does not contribute to society, you're pretty out there.

On the non-commercial side, who gives a shit? That's like saying any hobby or activity someone does on their own time is pointless. Sometimes making the world a little less ugly or making people feel something is the most contributive thing anyone can do. You ever think about how some weird, but cool idea put forth by an artist drives the vision of science and technology in the next generations?

>>3100722
Still don't see how anime girls and tits fall into that.

>>3100281
Every commercial product depends on visual art and design to outsell its competition and we happen to live in a global capitalism.

>thinking of society in utilitarian terms instead of supply and demand
Go home, commie.

>>3100808
We live in a capitalist society that is based on supply and demand. Obviously not every single area of visual art will contribute to a higher cause. Do you also pretend all literature is bad and useless because there happens to be a market for romance schlock novels and twilight fanfiction?

>>3100281
Animu tiddies are the greates contribution one can make.

>>3100284
woah...

What do I care about this degenerate society? I don't WANT to contribute anything to it.

Let it burn.

>>3100281
food keeps life living
art keeps life worth living.

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>>3100501
Being good enough for regular art gigs is no reason to stop aiming for Michelangelo. Its better than hustling porn, and while some people prefer to stay doing hentai/B-grade concept work, its always better to say you tried to take on the best. When you stand still you are actually moving backwards.

>>3100281
Haha, no anon, science proves art is good for you https://mic.com/articles/106504/science-shows-that-art-is-having-fantastic-effects-on-our-brains-and-bodies#.bUIuYktPi

>>3100281
>Why be an artist when it contributes nothing to society?
Cool, while you have all that programming skills, it takes an artist to draw all what you see on a computer. Everything visual is thanks to an artist. Even the computer itself is designed by artists.

>>3100808
>Still don't see how anime girls and tits fall into that.
Sex sells. Simple as that. If you can't get that you were always meant for failure and die out of the business market.

>>3100975
What's even better than being Michelangelo?

Michelangelo drawing anime tiddies.

>>3100808
>>3100916
Anime and tits aren't art, they're entertainment.

>>3100281
I guess we all (and I mean all humans who aren't already doing it) should just go farm rice or build houses or something, huh

>>3101030
entertainment and art have always been closely connected. It's a very postmodern notion that art and entertainment are 2 entirely different entities.

>>3100619
Yup. Pass go and collect $200, or take a card from the chance pile.

Creativity and art in general is inextricably connected to more rigid and logical things in our brain as well as on the larger scale - in societies and civilisations. Both are sides of one coin. In order for our human systems not to fail and, ideally, to grow and improve, we need to maintain a certain degree of order. Too much chaos and uncertainty inevitably leads to death and degradation. But. In this order there needs to be a window to chaos, to pure potential of the unknown. Artists are the mediators of this unknown - they articulate it and bring pieces of it in the rigid systems, which cannot be just pure order - this way of being is also doomed to fail as well as a chaotic ones.

>>3100286
>doing well

reeee
Capitalism is a concept based on infinite resources, it's doomed to fail. We're already starting to run out of resources. Our planet is being destroyed by us. Global warming to take over and our world we be laid to waste. We are on the brink of WWIII, every country nukes, even NK. AI (AGI) will rise, which will result in the extermination of human race. Diseases are getting immune to more and more medicine. Populated centres allows efficient spread of disease, transportation aids them to spread across the world.

NOTHING IS FINE.

>>3101051
>entertainment and art have always been closely connected
Those were primitive times, yeah.

>It's a very postmodern notion that art and entertainment are 2 entirely different entities
I think people like Bach, Gogol, Kafka, and Dostoevsky, and Schoenberg already understood well that art should be separated from entertainment. Most of Elder Bruegel's paintings are neither religious or pleasing. Their works are counter entertainment, and most of them lived before the postmodern movement.

>>3101051
>>3101119
Also, postmodern works are more akin to entertainment than art. Their snide and cynical criticism on the artistic establishment is more than often very comedic in nature.

>>3101119
No one would have ever read Dostoevsky or listened to Bach if they didn't find their work to be a pleasant way to spend ones time, you fucking moron. Dostoevsky became a world famous author because millions of people were entertained by his stories and many of them became timeless classics as a result of that.

>>3101129
So, there's no difference between baroque aria and disco? The pleasantness of entertainment is like getting headshots in FPS games, while the pleasantness of art is like sorting through your childhood photos.

>>3101133
Obviously there is a difference, but that doesn't change the fact that both are still forms of entertainment. I think what pretentious elitists like you hate the most is the fact that you really aren't all that different from those unwashed masses you look down on. You merely do different things for the same reasons. Someone goes to the opera, someone else plays an FPS game. They both do it because they want to be entertained.

>>3101134
The purpose of entertainment is to amuse, the purpose of art is already written here: >>3100722

Art helps people to spiritually contemplate and experience the supra emotional. They want to understand more than what they can technically understand. Some call it self-transcendence.

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>>3100281
>People still believe they contribute to society in someway
Sure, okay...

>>3101140
So art is for people who are too dumb/lazy to meditate? That doesn't seem right. Naw, art is entertainment in its purest form. Every artform is derived from entertainment. You listen to classical music because you enjoy it, you read a good book because you are interested in the characters and the story. You look at art because you enjoy the painting, its story and composition etc. The spiritual contemplation you might gain from that is part of said enjoyment/entertainment.

>>3101146
>So art is for people who are too dumb/lazy to meditate?
What are religious iconography.

Prayers and meditation aren't something that needs to always happen methodically. A good person should live with it.

>Every artform is derived from entertainment
Maybe the mediums were invented for entertainment, but the difference in art is there is a certain fulfillment or perfection in it.

>You listen to classical music because you enjoy it, you read a good book because you are interested in the characters and the story. You look at art because you enjoy the painting, its story and composition etc.
Or maybe because I look for beauty. There's even a wikipedia page for beauty and aesthetic.

>The spiritual contemplation you might gain from that is part of said enjoyment/entertainment.
It's not an amusement.

>>3100281
I draw porn commissions. I contribute to people's individual happiness.
Feels good.

>>3101109
>AI (AGI) will rise, which will result in the extermination of human race.

AI is simply the next step in evolution.

>>3100281
>Why be an artist when it contributes nothing to society?
You've answered your own question.

Why sleep? It adds nothing to the world.

>>3101179
this

>>3100281

Art contributes to society.
Making RELATABULL comics for Buzzfeed is leeching off the world.

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Sweet fucking lord you people are pretentious. Just do the shit you wanna do.

>>3100329
Yeah I agree with this. Honestly, ones art has a greater capacity to influence people that a single technician in a large scale company. Just look at all these writers and animators who have worked on childhood beloved movies and shows, without them and their art who would we be?

>>3101307
well it depends on what art youre talking about and which means of influence you see is "important"

>>3100501
Neo Nazis in the streets of America, a country that proudly fought in WW2, proudly protesting their rights doesn't seem like a low point in racism? This is much worse in some cases

>>3101309
1000 neonazis who came across the whole country vs pretty much every single white person in america pre 1950s. Sounds like progress to me.

>>3100501

SEE>>3100286

>>3100294
>>Why practice free will when it ultimately leads to hindered progress?

>>3101076
'Sup reddit

>>3101069
if I roll an 6 to I go to jail or kill myself?

>>3100808
>Still don't see how anime girls and tits fall into that.
>>3100722
>Why does a man live, what is the point of human existence?
you want to get laid

>>3100281
An artist contributes more to society than a bioinformatics programmer.
t. MSc CS graduate

CS is an ABSOLUTE meme. Seriously considering becoming a paramedic.

Cultural impact my friend. Then why does 4chan obsessed with anime then?

>>3101146

>Every artform is derived from entertainment.

Origin of sculpture is pure sacrum, twat.

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Creating something often reveals unheard of ideas. And the Creator is as surprised as the characters.

>>3100281
>art doesn't contribute to society
>design doesn't contribute to society
>pushing the boundaries of society contributes nothing to society

OP confirmed for retarded.

>>3100289
>>3101309
Well, if you want to live in the past, where you die in the age of 30 by desease or just getting killed. You'd probably be in the 3rd estate, so have fun.

>>3100281
We contribute, we entertain you like the fucking street organ monkies we are.

>>3100281
>bioinformatics programmer

Being this mediocre

what a moron; art obviously contribuite with society, probably fine art is falling but we've an entire industry now that people can feel happier with our characters

>>3100281
I just realized I basically am a part of porn inustry

>>3100281
The correct answer in that cartoon is "I use to have a dull job too before I got paid for being an artist".

>>3100281
The arts contribute culture, entertainment, philosophy. Without these, the only reason for existence is to eat and fuck. This is what separates us from wild animals.

>>3100281
>>3100281
I dont really want to work or anything. i just like sitting at my computer desk, with a good reason to not be disturbed. Sometimes i draw and feel really good and busy, but thats short lived because i cant really drink my own koolaid that much.
i dont have any goals, hell i dont have any dreams. i just draw and get a little bit better everyday and i believe some greater power will reward me for my daily toils (that dont really amount to much).
sometimes i have breakdowns from touching on the fact that im going nowhere in life and am only getting older. but my mind literally cannot cope with living in any other way so i heal myself with sleep and junk food and continue on.
somebody help me. please.

>>3100286
damn
you are in for a wild ride kiddo

>>3100281
Says who? My work has been on packaging, in advertisements, on book covers, and on album covers. It contributes nothing? Go fuck yourself.

>>3100677
God you're stupid

Artists are generally not very bright, and very emotionally unstable people.

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>everything that past cultures left was art and science
>somehow this does not apply to us because science is more lucrative and we should dedicate 100% of our efforts into explring mars and curing diseases invented by the pharmaceutical industry

>>3101309
>visibility magnification by social media

How many neo nazis do you see day to day?

>>3100281
>Why be an artist when it contributes nothing to society?
Because I'm good at it, and it is also my past time for fun. These hands can do anything. The real trick is can I use it to make money?

>>3106790
>>everything that past cultures left was just art
ftfy

Passed down wisdom is only human, and evolutionary survival. Even apes pass down knowledge on how to use basic tools for eating tiny insects. Animals however do not CREATE art.

Art is literally the only human gift and legacy we leave behind after our death. Our Immortality is through our art. So immortal are artists that we have other artists preserve our art.

>>3100286
if only you knew how bad things truly were

>>3106790
Education nowadays has brainwashed people into thinking science is more important than art.