/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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Some references, because OP is a lazy ass again

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>>3094767

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Started on the making grids chapter in How to Draw by Scott Robertson. These are my first attempts at making 1 point perspective grids, but I can't help but feel that I'm doing them wrong. Any feedback on that regard would be much appreciated.

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>>3094794
but haven't you posted that yesterday ?

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So I'm trying to git as gud as Tetsuya Nomura (Square Enix artist and designer) before jumping unto something much harder.
I really really really want to, but I kinda need some help. Pic related. I'm trying to flesh out and trace his drawing of Auron (FFX character) but I don't understand his anatomy. Maybe I just don't get the perspective of the arms? Either way, I would be grateful if someone could try and trace it and show me.

(Sorry for large picture)

>>3094789
How have you not gotten rid of this face yet?

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Where do you get the most inspiring inspiration from??

>>3094812
I think the problem is that the clothes on the left elbow are drawn wrong.

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still a beginner but doing better everyday right? ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rTn-qz4cAk

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>>3094838
Why are you acting like a humongous faggot? Is this what inflated ego looks like?

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>>3094812
>tfw can't even get the bottle right
[despair intensifies]

>>3094817
You want me to draw a different face?

im dyslexic and have a bad memory, so its hard as fuck to read all these books to learn the fundamentals of anatomy and shit

what do? can iget somewhere by just drawing endlessly on my own?

>>3094919
figure drawing for all it's worth is the perfect book for you

>>3094919
A lot of beginners overestimate how important books are. I would say they're quite important, but you can learn all you need to from just studies (it's in the name anyway). Just doing studies and internalizing what you're painting and transferring that knowledge to your personal work will do more than a book ever will. If you're dyslexic there's even more reason to, I think.

So I'm lost on learning observation drawing.
I understand that I need to draw what I see, but how do you exercise that?

I've read into enveloping, seeing large shapes, and such but every time I do, I feel that I don't realize the size is off until I've put in more features of the subject.

Basically, I can't plan to put the subject in a correct "frame" and I want to learn how to tackle this problem.

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First time I tried to draw a realistic human, and I did it with a mouse and no references. Am I gonna make it?

>>3094931
Don't draw with a mouseand you'll make it

>>3094921
>204 pages
i guess i can only try...

>>3094924
im glad, thanks

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Tried to draw my dark souls 3 character. Also trying out a new type of shading.
Thanks for checking this out :)

>>3094974
why are you in the beginner thread

>>3094968
I meant it was the book for you as a lot of the things (at least at the start of the book) can be done with "look at what he does, do the ones already there, and then do your own"

Do you always have to make a grid/skeleton for everything you draw? Like, a quick look at Picarto tells me that everybody there of all skill levels make a quick background skeleton for everything, and they make those quicker and more detailed than I could learn to do in months. It's all so complicated-looking; I just wanna draw cool, cartoony shit.

>>3094980
Because I've only been doing this for two months and I want any critique I can get. Why?

>>3094984
just for two months? damn

>>3094980
And people have asked if my earlier stuff was bait so I wanna get this place's approval before leaving

>>3094985
Yeah... people have said my art looked like bait and it took me 4 hours so I wanted this place's approval before moving on. If you meant this in a bad wal please tell me what I can do to improve and thanks for responding :)

>>3094980
What do you mean? His art is definitely total beginner tier. I'm positively garbage at drawing and I can do, well, slightly better than that at least.

>>3094989
Oh? Thanks for replying please tell me what to work on :) I'm glad you responded

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>>3094767
scrap or keep going?
>>3094832
For portraits I like to look at charcoal sketches of whatever master artist grabs you.
>>3094974
get some motion in that pose, my dude
>>3094931
If you have the patience to do that with a mouse youre gonna make it.

>>3094992
I'll do more dynamic poses. Thanks :)

Any good way to learn how does the female breast work? Bridgman does only male models and Hampton baaarely mentions it but not really.

Books or video series recommendations are appreciated.

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Another one I made this morning. I'm not too confident about it but I thought that was a good reason to get some critique. Again thanks for your time

>>3094991
I didn't respond to you.

Well, with the position I am in as mentioned above, and having played hundreds of hours of Souls, I can only guess a few things
>shapes are okay, kind of bony shoulders?
>decent shadows, kinda subtle enough, you can tell that it's coming from above
>why is the lower half not shadowed almost at all?
>a lot of it needs softer/more symmetrical lining, like the sword
>the eyes and nose are pretty fucked up, but it's hard to draw small details, assuming that's on an entire A4
>hair actually looks pretty decent, beard too
>inconsistent direction of shadows now that i look at it, but from the little i know, i just like seeing certain shadow "types" to be drawn in the same direction, like all of the shadows on clothes to be in one direction at all places, different direction on skin, different on weapon etc
>the mountains look kinda goofy

That's all I can think of, as a total beginner at about your size.

>>3094997
woah...keep it up

can we get some male references next thread before all the people that use the references forget what male hips look like?

>>3094998
Ok. That was really in depth and I appreciate it! Thanks and I'm going to save this to keep it in mind for later. :)

>>3095000
I will. Thanks so much! :)

>>3094997
>>3094998
Now that's a much more interesting pose. His arms are very stick-like, needs to be way more buff. He looks like he's supposed to be strong but his face looks like he has downs.

The best part of this picture is probably the background. That's actually really well made.

>>3095004
yea how much $$ you want?

>>3095004
>>3095008
I'm getting on this. How much do you charge for comissions?

>>3094974
>>3094988
>>3094991
>>3094993
>>3095002
>>3095006
And please drop the smileyface act. It's obnoxious.

>>3095012
I didn't realize it got on your nerves. I'll stop it and thanks for the input

>>3095011
Please post your DA!

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>>3095013
What can I say, no fun allowed on the shitshow that has become the internet in the last decade.

P.S: I hope you do understand that they're making fun of you, about wanting to buy stuff. It happens every thread.

>>3095011
No i want the original. Im an art collector and this is picasso tier. would $4,000,000 be enough for >>3094997? It would look lovely framed on my wall

>>3095016
Oh. Sorry I'm new here. I'm gonna regret this then... lessons learned at least

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>>3094794
You are missing some of the points you are supposed to hit, are you aware of that and it's ruler problem or did you not know? Aside from that it does look like you are in the right track, anon. Keep it up.

>>3095019
Good one you actually got me there. Any critique you'd be willing to give?

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>>3095020
Your name shows either way, it's not like.. I don't even know. I'm starting to think I'm the fool. Ha ha tricked and treated.

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haven't drawn in a year

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>>3095011
>>3095019
This kind of display make me wish for the seasons to pass quicker
For the young people who can't understand when people are making fun of you, and the cunts who think being anonymous permit you to act in a non productive manner, I bet there's website who would be better for you than this one
And if it's bait please, stop roleplaying a young child, go on omegle for that

>>3095026
Oh well. Whatever comments I get, positive, negative, constructive, or otherwise, I will appreciate it

>>3095028
Sorry but it isn't that good :(

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>>3095031
Okay. Damn. You're pretty good.

>>3095033
Thanks for replying :) I'm glad you responded

>>3095029
Sadly I'm not bait. I do think I've learned from this though and I'll try to avoid falling for that again

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>>3094763
Sorry if this content offends anyone, first of all.

First attempt at colouring and shading (not done obviously). No idea of how I'm gonna figure out the hair. I'm winging it.

Pointers, feedback, mistakes?

>>3095038
Don't shade with black. Learn anatomy before drawing naked people.

>>3095022
Thanks for the feedback anon, ill be sure to keep those mistakes in mind!

>>3095039
What's wrong about this anatomy? I didn't shade with black. I shaded with tints of brown/red.

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What do I need to work on?

>>3095036
if you're truly new I'll just give you some advice, take off your name you don't need it and very few people here want to help you, so don't listen blindly to what people say, use your brain before obeying
Also don't give advice if you're a beginner

>>3095039
what a meme comment, kill yourself

>>3095044
how much for this piece

>>3095045
Ok. I will be more careful on here. I appreciate that and I think I've really learned today. Thank you

>>3095050
HAHAHAHAHA you done got me good!!! XDDDDD

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I can't draw worth shit but I do like coloring in random lineart as a zen exercise with Photoshop while listening to podcasts and such.
I use a channel fuckery macro to extract the lineart, then I fill in the background and do passes with the dodge and burn tools for the shading.
Is there some trick to this that I'm unaware of? The colors don't always look right, and when I tried to do the shading with the paintbrush and a handpicked darker/lighter color it ended up looking even more wrong.

>>3095056
Did you color that? It's fucking good.
Go color popular R34 instead. It'll be way more appreciated, trust me, you might even build a reputation as long as you don't get on the original makers' nerves.

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>>3095059
I've done some of that too. Main problem is that if the art is too good I get distracted halfway through.
Thanks for the input though. Any particular places for that you'd recommend? Drawfriend/request threads on other boards?

>>3095056
Well of course if you don't know how to draw and only color things you won't know how to render

god, finding reference is such a chore. I want to spend this month practicing drawing muscular men but all I can find is gay porn

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>>3095072
Let me post some for you. I have way too many pictures I barely use.

>>3095069
Would gitting gud with lineart help with making the colors look right?
I suppose that having a better understanding on the structure would make it better.

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>>3095072

>>3095075
Not particularly, rendering requires understanding of 3D space, you would have to learn some perspective and then anatomy in order to be able to work with color.

Kinda weird, you are doing it backwards.

>>3095072
muscular men and lean men have the same musclegroups

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>>3095072
That's it, don't want to spam the thread
I'll post a few more in the reference thread. >>3080699

>>3095079
Thank you. This is much appreciated.

>>3095078
Proportions are the thing I'm having trouble with.

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i don't usually venture outside of sketching and lineart, and when i do color it's usually cell shading stuff. anyways, been practicing with rendering. any help would be great.

>>3095090

main problem with this is the lightness of the chin. The chin should never be the same lightness as the other parts of the face. It's usually darker because it is less pronounced and further down from the light.

Hey fellas. Any cool resources on textures and how to shade them? I'm stepping out of draw a box because I feel I'm not learning much out of it past lesson 3.

>>3095031
Actually got me for a second, well done
And don't go thinking I got tripped up by the first layer now

>>3095038

Share the ref?

>>3095090
have you been referencing sakimichan?

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I know my linework needs more practice, my anatomy as well, but my weakest area is my colouring because I get scared if I make it too desaturated it looks wrong, and I have issues with blending digitally. Any suggestions for dealing with colour choices?

>>3095097
i fixed the lightness and it looks a lot better, thanks
>>3095113
i haven't actually, but i see your point. any way to make it less sakimichan-esque?

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Drew a portrait of an astronaut from imagination. Inspired by those astronaut pictures they take. I try to draw everyday but I rarely get the chance to really get myself working on something. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

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Did I do good /ic/?
Ill post referwnce but im sure you know what it is.

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Thought I'll try drawing Loomis's skeleton without reference, does it look ok ?
It was supposed to look like a dryad but instead look like a emo teenager, I guess I'm not ready at drawing anything else than a skeleton right now

>>3095163
It's good bud, now draw the rest of the body proportional to the head.

>>3095169
Ill try but ive got my 6x9 sketchbook turned landscape so itll probably just be cut off at the waist.

>>3095174

Then draw it again and make it smaller.

>>3095164
Lovely, a bit shy on the torso and head.

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>>3095163
Fuck it man im proud of myself for this one

>>3095223
so proud you forgot to rotate and resize

>>3095231
Thats right bb

Any of you guys actually buy the books instead of just reading pdfs? Thinking about just buying the loomis ones since I honestly can't retain anything from my computer screen. Too distracted being on here.

>>3095244
i printed it ^_^

>>3095028
This shit made me cringe.

>>3095223
Cody?

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>>3095028
>tumblr style

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Is repetition the fastest way to improve?

>>3095244
Yeah. I hate reading from a computer screen. The books I really like I buy and read them cover to cover, then I pirate the PDF because it is easier to work from if I am trying to do exercises. I also like having a nice book collection for my shelf.

>>3095028
>understands some degree in construction, form, and even slight gesture
>/ic/ recoils because MUUUUH TUMBLRRRRR
It's alright, maybe actually ask for specific critique.

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Wonky... I don't know why people say front facing face is easy. I can do any angle but front is just fucking with me.

ref >>3092742

>>3095371
learn to look people in the eye ;)

>>3095363
If you end up in a situation like that often enough with a lot of books, it could be a good investment to get a cheapy kindle and throwing the files on there, it's incredible how similar reading from one is to paper.

>>3095371
> I can do any angle but front
ok draw a face looking up, with heavy foreshortening.

i want to get a microsoft surface pro 4 for practicing my fundies and introducing myself to digital, but should i? would it be better to get a laptop and an intuos? or should i stick to sketchbooks for now?

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>>3092795

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How bad is she?

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Working through my first drawing book and it wants me to do blind contour drawing. This is supposed to get me to see things instead of drawing whats in my head.

Is this just a temporary exercise or is drawing contour blind a real skill I should focus after I grow out of symbol drawing?

>>3095389
>would it be better to get a laptop and an intuos?
Yes

>>3095359
Sure, if you know what you're trying to work on. Don't just repeat without thinking.

>>3094992
Pretty cool, but you draw bra too flat.

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soo im new here. what do you guys think i should improve on? i realy only draw on paper, with pen and pencil. i wanna get into digital eventualy but right now.

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>>3095445
heres a more recent drawing

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>>3095383

I should've been clear. I have problem with the front symmetry. It's so uncomfortable to draw.

I can draw other angle that doesn't require symmetry without discomfort but I'm not perfect at it either.

But thanks for making me draw.

>>3095445
>>3095446
I'm not any better than you so feel free to ignore this but I think you're symbol drawing the facial features a lot. Also the side mouth in the first picture is kinda weird looking even if it's basically an anime staple. And the left wing in the first picture looks like it's under the right one instead of next to it like I assume you were going for?

>>3095445
the mouth is horrifying.

>>3095456
That's just my art style.

>>3095456
That's his style, retard.

>>3095461
>>3095462
Oh alright nevermind then I guess.

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So I don't draw much, but have been practicing on and off, and I thought I'd ask here.
This is my second attempt at shading and first time painting. A little NitW thing.
Now, a little disclaimer, the pic doesn't have highlights or anything, I did it back in March and just gave up a day or so later to work on more important things for school and just in life, so it's like, half done if even. (and i've hardly drawn since :<)
So what's the damage and what should I do to help?

>>3095290
Nah man.

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>>3095456
yeah, look at the date my man 2009. Haha, man that brings up memories. Also yeah he was suposed to have 4 wings, but i didn't draw the wings or arm for the other side becuase at the time i didn't know how. As for the mouth. I had a hard time understanding lips and facial anatomy (still do sometimes, espacially with the wierd angles).

>>3095461
as in we have similar art styles?

I use this art style becuase i started to draw a manga,I had to keep it simple while still being detailed enough to make it look decent, and easy to read. Heres a little sample of my manga what do you guys think?

>>3095487
You should learn to draw before making comics.

thank you scott Robinson, youre the only one that explains shit well.

the only downfall to "how to draw" is that you dont learn to draw people.

>>3095495
lmao, if that were the case wede have 0 webcomics outside of pbfc

>>3095497
Has Scott said anything about learning how to draw figures?

>>3095408
It's just an exercise.

>>3095503
he has some vids on it but i care little about them. in all honesty you can take some of the skills from how to draw and how to shade and apply them to figure drawing, but hes not got much on it. its actually one of the harder things to do (figure drawing). you can improve your scenery in a day easily but a days work figure drawing wont fix a whole lot. i wonder if i would have been considered a god of drawing in medival times

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>>3094873
Is it eschewed, misproportioned or just plain ugly? I already know that it's slated, but that problem with alignment has stayed around for a while

I'm just trying to derive a certain character and likeness from this portrait I drew last Saturday

I'd like to buy a book on anatomy, any recommendations?

>>3095517
honestly youre thick as fuck

>>3095461
>>3095462
Don't use artstyle as excuse for bad proportions etc. You have to study anatomy and form before you can do that.

>>3095530
It's art. You wouldn't understand.

>>3095530
this, i hate art which clearly shows a lack of technical skill yet is passed off as style.

>>3094789
>>3095509
Combination of disproportional features such as gigantic nose, and necks as thick as the head. All features look exaggerated. It shows lack of study of heads, while insisting on drawing your impression of what heads look like. You need to study references of heads, necks, and shoulders from different angles. Study the skull and spine. Pay attention to proportions. Also use handsome or beautiful faces. Try to remember what they look like and make those your default face to draw.

>>3095531
Why exactly are you on this board? To get better or to convince yourself that everyone else is wrong?. I'm the guy who drew the Jon snow drawing for context of my artistic abilities.

>>3095359
Don't scribble anon. Get rid of the chicken scratching. Draw your lines neatly and plainly.

>>3095533
There's no skill in art. There's no good or bad art. It's entirely subjective. There is but one thing in art, and that is just art itself.

>>3095538
False. Sure it's subjective but of course there is skill involved. That's like saying There's no skill in cooking.

>>3095545
There is no skill in cooking either. It's all subjective. One man might find the "best food in the world" to taste like garbage.

>>3095545
The guys trolling, he was doing the same shtick in another thread earlier. Don't waste your time yo

>>3095552
art
noun
1.
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination

>>3095554
Oh ok thanks.

>>3095556
You're misinterpreting the definition of that word. Human creative skill is a skill that only humans possess. It's not a measured skill.

>>3095545
youre thick for responding

>>3095558
That would be true if I didn't enjoy arguing on the internet.

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What's wrong with my nurse?

>>3095534
Thank you; I needed someone else to find the problem, I'm too plasterbrained to figure some of these things out
I appreciate that you took the time to create what's probably the most information-dense and informative critique in this whole thread

>>3095565
low effort

>>3095581
Not helpful

>>3095565
I already noticed the buttons are on the wrong lapel and need to be further back.

>>3095565
anatomy is off. Tits look like two bowling balls. the shoulders are I wanna say too high and not wide enough. Practice anatomy.

>>3095602
it really is. spend more time on your drawings

>>3095565
1. Get rid of chicken-scratch, do long clean lines
2. Looks too 2d, for example legs. Do some more drawing with reference
3. Anatomy is off, do some more drawing with reference.
4. You are doing a lot of symbol drawing, try some more drawing with reference and focus on shapes.

>>3095565
She's missing all of her limbs and her head.

What are you even supposed to say to someone when everything about their work is bad?

>>3095618
I agree on all except maybe the chicken scratch point. I've always done that personally. Don't see how that is anything other than preference.

>>3095623
Yeah everyone does that at the start, it's a sucky habit to lose but its worth it. Right now you can only do chicken-scratch, if you learn clean lines you will be able to do both.

>>3095621
ask to buy their art. its the /beg/ approved method

>>3095623
ok prove its a personal style by drawing straight lines only for your next piece. i guarantee you cant do it

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Posting a couple images from my book, just started drawing about 2-3 months back only using pen so far but any tips for developing skill? i usually just put music on and go at it with exception of the Virgil finlay recreation i drew from google images reference, Pic related (WIP)

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>>3095631
I mostly do realistic art so it doesn't really matter in my case. But I can do for example cartoony shit if a want to. Pic is what my style evolved to be by always doing the chicken lines. You just got to learn the basics, form, anatomy etc. Doesn't really matter how you get there in my opinion.

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pt 2

>>3095466
No one?
:(
I'd like some advice, I barely know what I'm doing

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pt 3
>>3095646

>>3095623
>>3095644
I wish retards like you would leave.

>>3095655
Why? Is this not a conversation?

>>3095655
He is right though. dont get pissy

>>3095661
>>3095663
Alright I guess we're all giving out bad information on purpose then. Carry on.

>>3095666
post your art picasso

>>3095666
Don't be a bitch. Correct me if I'm wrong instead of acting like a child. I said I don't think it matters. You obviously do. Then correct me.

>>3095666
isn't that the only thing that happens here mr.satanic trips.

>>3095646
>>3095649
Blog, please - unironically, please show me where you post your art online

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>>3095668

>>3095685
I Dont my man sorry, first pics ive taken haha

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Still trying. I think I managed to draw the torso passably but everything else just sucks.

>>3095666
BTFO

>>3095704
Honestly it doesn't look like you're trying at all. Are you really drawing what you see?

>>3095704
How old are you? How serious are you about art?
I don't want to encourage giving up but your situation seems hopeless.

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>>3095713
>>3095710

This is like my fifth or six drawing after elementary school and yeah, I still have lots of problems with symbol drawing.

Yesterday ones suck a bit less, I guess I was more concentrated yesterday. Attached is one of those.

>>3095644

Draw something using the refs in this thread then ill believe you ...

>>3095704
>>3095717
We all have to start somewhere anon. You can't get good at sucking dick if you dont grab your first cock is what I always say.

>>3095717
Judging by the phone shadow it looks like you're drawing to small as well.

>>3095721
In straight line you mean? Sure whatever but I'll do it fast..

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>>3095721
>>3095728
Here.

>>3095746
Why don't you go learn some anatomy you basic bitch.

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>>3094763
Thoughts so far about my wip?

>>3095756
Sure dude.

>>3095758
Legs look like animal legs

>>3094763
should I prioritize learning anatomy or life drawing or just do both simultaneously?

>>3095767
Whatever you're the most uncomfortable with.

>>3095508
>you can improve you scenery in a day easily
Can I get an explanation on this? I want to improve my scenery.

>>3095777
well said.

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>>3095764
Is a satyr

>>3095758
I can't tell what she's doing with her arms.

>>3095746
yeahyou dont have it or get it. look at all that chicken scratch thats atill there and the lack of actually long lines. you proved my point

>>3095779
read how to draw. while the early focus is on perspective if you arent retarded and passive (ie apply what youve learned) you can draw pretty well pretty quickly

>>3095785
Ah

Sorry for that

Not clean enough to tell but she is holding a sword with the right hand and holding the blade with the left

Is the length of both arms fine tho?

>>3095786
But honestly, he's right, he doesn't need good lines to draw in this style >>3095644

>>3095786
You didn't actually make a point kid. You just threw a tantrum for no reason. Stop trolling.

>>3095793
Yeah man you don't need good lines to do anything stop bullying the poor artists just let them have fun dude it's their style they're self taught so leave them alone it's not their fault.

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I'm trying to get good at sketching I guess but everything after the initial linework I am clueless about. Hence my shitty shading attempts?

What should I do after getting the general lines done? Also thoughts in general?

>>3095802
Make the stem of the flower have a little more shape instead of being straight.

>>3095756
Calling someone a basic bitch because they didn't in your opinion draw perfect anatomy in 10 minutes while thye were demonstrating something unrelated.

>>3095802
You might benefit from getting into crosshatching.

>>3095813
It's always "in your opinion" or "well I don't think" with you people. If art is so damn subjective why do we even have a beginner thread?

>>3095822
That's a weird point to make. I was just in my opinion saying that you are a piece of shit.

>>3095826
>Calling someone a basic bitch because they didn't in your opinion draw perfect anatomy
That's exactly what you typed right? Anatomy isn't an opinion. It is a fact and it can either be right or wrong.

>>3095833
I think context matters tho right? The guy can clearly draw and clearly has a good understanding of anatomy. He was just quickly scribbling some shit to please your dumbass. I don't want to be that guy but do you draw? You seem you think highly of your own artistic abilities. Can we see?

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My chicken is flawed

>>3095795
all isaid was you couldn't draw straight lines, which you proved to me son.

>>3095793
thats not even a style, thats good shading.

>>3095802
dont shade like that, think of the petal in 3d space

>>3095862
long kneck

>>3095863
>thats not even a style

Get the fuck out of here.

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>>3095864
I'm not sure how to shade the petal. It the photo doesn't make it obvious for me.

...So I tried to draw the chicken. Got stuck on the texture/shading here again. Also the proportions are fucked compared to the reference. But mainly I can't do shading or texture for shit yet

>>3094871
because you thinking in 2D when you should think in 3D. Its a cylinder anon with cuts, instead of classically symbol drawing just drawing a cylinder first

>>3094974
stop right there, you can't draw for shit that said why are you doing an from imagination drawing. You can never draw what you cant see if you cant draw what you see. Draw real bodies and faces, reference from photos and when you are good at that you can create your own stuff, dont think you can start from the top

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>>3095758
More progress.

Repositioned the leg better

Cleaned it a lil more

Minor tweaks here and there

Thoughts so far?

>>3095924
Looks half kangaroo. Better than anything I can draw though

>>3095867
bro look at the proportions, in that photo the chickens head and red things are half the height of the bird.
the petal, you have to imagine it as seperate parts, not as shading goes onto a drawing. read how to render by nosnibor ttocs

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>>3096067
For the chicken I think I just extended it out to fill the rest of the page without considering

I'll look up that book

>>3096072
with the thing above its head, try drawing in parts. dont bother rendering till your basics are down. also why draw the beak open

>>3096085
It's not open. The bit underneath is meant to be that folded red shit.

I'll keep practicing...

>>3095802
Pick a ref with a more interesting angle. There isn't too much going on in it as far as drawing goes, it's more interesting for painting and textures.

>>3096088
I keep picking simple ones on purpose because I find I can't sketch or draw to proportions for shit

Everything more complex just intimidates me and I get really sick of it once I draw a bit and it is way off

>>3096089
That's the spirit.

>>3096093
I understand your sarcasm but I thought grinding out a bunch of simpler ones would let me improve enough to move on to more complex ones

>>3095608
The uniform is pushing them up, I'm not sure how I would draw them from the front without making them look that way, especially at that size.
I can understand the shoulders, though.

>>3095618
>chicken scratch
The problem I have is whenever I draw a line it's not the line I want, and the easiest way to fix it is to draw a bunch of smaller lines over it and erase the area around it. I don't know what else to do.

>>3096089
Your proportions are good enough. but the ref is very flat. Simple shapes like boxes or spheres won't be more complicated to draw but will teach you more about form. Well that's my advice anyway.

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>>3094763
4 years of progress and this is what i have to show for it

What is wrong with me?

>>3096095
Get uncomfortable. Draw a lot. Make room for failure. Learn from it.

>>3096115
The only problem I see is that you're not drawing right now

>>3096117
i mean i can't seem to make a decent rendered drawing.

Its all loose sketches mane

>>3096115
Study your anatomy
>Female
The breasts are lower, hang off the rib cage, and theirs the (pectoral?) muscles above.

>Head
The eye's aren't that big, your keep drawing the features with a differing perspective leading me to believe you copied them from something rather than studying them.
Ear is off.
shoulders are fucked

>>3096125
thank you

i think these were from imagination so thats why they aren't very good

Thank you for the critique.

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>>3095565
>>3096104
Something like this. With the boobs the reason they look off is because they're literally 2 circles. you should break the lines up to make it look like there's something on top like skin or clothing.

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Model

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>>3096164
Drawing

>>3096166
Jesus christ

>>3096166

Ki adi mundy, is that you?

>>3096166
how tilted was your camera

>>3096170
what's wrong?

>>3094812
I don't know if I would study Nomura's work, especially as a beginner. His anatomy is VERY dramatized and it's a style similar to anime/manga where proportions are purposely incorrect. He makes a lot of aesthetic decisions over correct ones which would be harmful to you as a beginner to practice.

You are much better studying some real humans and real forms, and then referring to Nomura's work when you want to start developing a style of some kind.

>>3096166
he must be smart

>>3096177
Pretty tilted
>>3096175
Yeah the back of the head is a little too big. I can fix it

>>3096179
Ah, alright.
Thank you for your help

>>3096166
What a spook

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How's this?

>>3096193
the top of the head is too low, try making it higher

>>3096193
GIVE UP NIGGA HAHAHAHA

>>3094999
>>3095000
>>3095008
>>3095010
>>3095019
Fuck off. This non-productive cancer doesn't help these threads and is obnoxious than the worst furry art from the depths of a 12 year old's DA.

>>3096186
Notice that in the reference his nose is about 1/3 the length of his face. In your picture it is about 1/6, half the length it should probably be. You should try to measure the proportions as you go.

I'm still a beginner but i noticed all his features are squished and too small

Is there a general rule of thumb for how far away the torso bubble is from the pelvis bubble?

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>>3096197
aight I took your advice

>>3096207
If you have a bubble in your pelvis area you should probably get that checked out.

>>3096207
Check on yourself, it's about three fingers on the sides but it can be tilted.

>>3096201
/beg/ only makes fun of people who clearly haven't even tried to learn from beginner material, and have a "i just decided to be an artist, give me attention" vibe. Real advice would be wasted on someone that arrogant and lazy anyways.
The alternative is 5 replies saying "read the sticky".

>>3096203
Nah I think it just looks that way cause I made the forehead too big

>>3095115
Critique all around the board here:
First, your linework is bad but mostly because you lack line confidence. Use the magic of digital to your advantage, draw broad, strong strokes instead of feather lines. If the line is wrong, ctrl-z and do it again. Strong lines will help significantly.

Anatomy is bad, but not the worst I've seen. You'd benefit from studying loomis and practicing gesture/figure drawing of real people.

Now for coloring digitally, refer to ctrl+paint in the sticky. The most glaring issue with your colors are how bland they are. Lay down some nice strong colors and shade with color, not black. I'll try to give you an example if I get a free second. It often helps to pick a pallet first instead of constantly darkening+lightening the base color.

You also need to study how light behaves in general--you're doing "pillow shading" in which you just darken the edges of the objects instead of using a stationary light source.

I hope this helps you a bit, keep it up.

>>3096212
>>3096212
This is true. "Read the sticky" would have ended the situation much faster instead of wasting posts.

>>3096212
>>3096240

Is my shitty chicken >>3096072 welcome here

>>3095459
SIDEMOUTH IS AN ANIMATIOM SHORTCUT, NOT A STYLISTIC CHOICE

body forms are ok at a glance

IDK m8 just throw me all yer criticism thx

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well damn, the drawing didn't show up

>>3096243
You're probably the kind of attention whore they're talking about. Go work on your shitty drawings.

>>3096254
Aw my cat had infected wounded on his neck in the same spot when I found him. He was just a kitten too, and some other cat beat him up.

I think you should have really pushed the expression, pull the ears down and snarl the upper mouth. A lot of pillow shading going on, highlights in the wrong places.

>>3096215
Thank you for taking the time to critique. It definitely does help, and it's good to have someone be able to vocalize what can be improved about the art in question.

Can I ask what you mean by strong colours though? Strong as in more saturated colours? If you have time for an example it would be greatly appreciated.

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Took about 15 minutes. Didn't care much for the shading only the anatomy but critique over the shading is welcome too.

>>3096268
Surely you could have taken a picture of the entire drawing?

>>3096272
Was too lazy to get a full paper so I just got some sticky note across the table.

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>>3096262
just do color studies like this. you have to experience it for yourself.

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>>3094763
some stuff
bottom two girls are from reference, others are from imagination

>>3096275
Ok. well the muscles are certainly stylistically interesting. Can't really critique it unless I see some of your other work cause based on this you could either be really good or pretty average.

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>>3096281
resize sry

>>3096282
I do usually a bit to considerably better than that minus the messiness when using references including shading but off of my imagination I can be super inconsistent.

>>3096281
Your stuff is neat

>>3096193
potato/10

I don't know what to draw. Should I like study something? I fucking hate this feeling.

>>3096326
>draw something you want to draw
>realize you can't draw it for shit
>gain the motivation to study so that you will be able to draw it how you want to

>>3096326
draw a flexing muscle man from memory

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I think I'm fucking up here, Also is it natural to struggle with front/facing poses or do I just suck extra hard.

>>3096339
You're moving in the right direction, now start trying to bring out the spine, rib cage and pelvis more

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>>3096334
Yeah I don't know anatomy or anything. I know it seems like I'm trolling but I just don't know what to fucking do. I feel so shitty.

>>3096353
Do you even try ? Read the sticky and Loomis and use your godamn head

>>3096365
I thought Loomis was a meme so I got some other books instead but honestly I don't want to read I just want to draw and get better.

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Possible to get some critique regarding anime(me)-esque style?
Drew this, quite happy with the facial features. (Please ignore the shitty hair)

>>3096369
>he fell for the loomis is a meme meme
my work here is done

>>3096373
It's clear that you don't know what you're doing, i.e. you didn't learn to draw a realistic face before doing anime.

>>3096377
How can you tell?
In which direction would you point me in to improve my art?

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>>3096373
uguu~~

i dont watch or draw anime, but typically the eyes are at the one third point of the head instead of halfway and they barely draw noses

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>>3096378
You're not
t h i n k i n g i n 3 D
learn the forms of the face

>>3095038
>all the detail to the pubic hair
>shit face
At least you have your priorities right

>>3096166
Stirner reincarnated.

>>3095643
keep up the good work

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>>3096349
You mean something along these lines?

>>3096393
Its.... you're joking, right?

I've been using Krita over the last weeks and was very happy with it. But since yesterday, i got very annoying input lags, meaning i draw something with the tablet and after 2 seconds it appears on the canvas. Anybody has the same problems?

>>3096388
That looks even worse, dude.

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Yes it sucks. Just wanted to know some feedback from people who actually know about art.

>>3096433
How fucked up in the head are you to even consider coloring that? How did you force yourself to draw something so hideous? Are you retarded? Seriously what in the fuck is wrong with you?

>>3096433
don't mind this guy >>3096434
I'll critique your drawing in a minute, I just have to take a shower first.

>>3096443
Thanks. Consider the following:
-First time drawing anime style
-I know nothing about art
And yes, I'm planning on doing so

>>3096433
I worry for this mans penis

>>3096433
Gonna jack it to this
If I don't report back tell anon "ngmi" for me

Which loomis book has anamoty?

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>>3096433
>>3096449
Okaaaay, sorry for the wait! Got lost in thoughts while I was in the shower.

First off, your drawing is more western-esque than eastern (anime) due to the way you have drawn it (I would say "style" but I'm fairly certain you don't have one yet, no offense). Proportions are lackluster, and your anatomy is waaaay off (for example, her nipples look like small red sombreros, kek. Facial expression is off as well, same with coloring/shading.

I suggest you stick to simple sketches (no coloring, shading and lineart) and slowly improve your drawings.
You need to study anatomy, and look up references and try to copy/trace them. In your picture you went for an ahegao expression, should you should search it up and study how to do it properly (pic related among many others)

And at last but not least
>Read the sticky
(it contains everything you need to know on how to improve your art)
Keep at it!

So I wanna draw porn. Studying female anatomy and dicks is the way to go right?

>>3096504
You know he isn't going to read this and he'll never improve you're just wasting your time. He'll come back here with the same shitty art crying about why he's still bad.

>>3096504
I pretty much just started so I don't have any problem with what you said.
Thanks for the critique and suggestions, I am definitely going to keep at it.

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>>3096532
Hm..
>>3096534
No problem lad, hope you make it.

>>3096262
>>3096278
Different anon but yeah, something along these lines. Ctrl+Paint actually has some excellent color theory examples.

>>3095062
Naw I don't really go to these threads, I just happened to stumble by, and thought your stuff was fuckin' A.

>>3095623
chicken scratch is bad because you won't improve your confidence (ability to draw lines and shapes on the page like you want them to look)

trust me, you want to be able to make long, flowing strokes thay capture the contours instead of some scratchy clusterfuck

if you draw digitally ctrl+z is your friend, and don't be afraid to re-try a line if it comes out wrong since the failed attempt will function as a guide of what not to follow

>>3095924
look at some reference sheets by furry artists of digitigrade legs

generally the upper leg will be the same as a human's in length, the lower leg will be shorter and angled backwards, and the foot will angle forward into the toes which bend flat at the carpals

draw rhythm lines as well and think of how you would balance if your legs were like that, they should be straighter than that if they're standing up right and weight should be distributed equally across their central axis

Proko's sense of humor finally starting to grow on me.

I am sorry for denouncing your demeanor Proko.

>>3096128
Thank you helpful anon!

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can`t even draw squares

>>3096774
Is this done with a tablet or a mouse?
do swift strokes instead of dragging your line along
Practice using your shoulder/elbow to draw, not your wrist and fingers.

>>3096774
>drawing squares in a single line
for what purpose
don't do unnecessarily difficult exercises, the half-gains from them don't outweigh the full gains from exercises you'll actually apply in drawing

>>3096779
Just got my tablet so I´m trying to get used to it. Am I supposed to lift my arm from the desk? Because it gets tired really fast this way.

>>3094763

Are you okay OP?

>>3096278
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. Thank you for taking the time to get to me, and that's a nice example for me to look at for inspiration. Back to the drawing board with me!

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Literally my first drawing. What did I fuck up?

>>3096854
The ear size
The part where you shaded everything the same value and made the face look flat
The mouth, eye and nose shapes
The head shape
Actually the ear shape in general, not just the size
I'm sure perspective could be better as well, somewhere somehow
Not a fan of the eyebrow rendering either

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>>3095346

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>>3096869
Ok, here's my igor

>>3096902
>>3096902
New thread? OP didn't link

>>3096795
first of all stop being a bitch, if you can afford and order a tablet then you can draw a fucking equilateral rectangle properly

it doesn't matter how you hold your stylus or if you rest your hand on the surface, all that matters is you're making strokes with the entire arm and not the wrist

traditional media matters more with how you hold your utensil, pens should be held at a 90 degree angle for ink flow, graphite obviously provides different line weights based on incline, etc but if you stick to digital you can just tell those old geezers to kill themselves

my best advice is what I already said: to stop being a whiny bitch and draw more squares. dont just mindlessly shit on the canvas, plan each stroke and execute it swiftly. hover over the tablet amd try tracing the soon-to-be line several times before actually trying to make it, and no you dont have to do this with every line you ever draw but just when youre not confident

go read fun with a pencil, check out drawabox, or watch proko on youtube for all of this and more on how not to be retarded when approaching drawing

>>3096189
>>3096396
>>3096166
Beat me to it.

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>>3095924
>>3096714
Defined her leg and shoulders betterer

I like how it's coming along

Any other thing that sticks out badly?