/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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Why is lineart so fucking hard to do digitally?
I use SAI2 and Intuos Pro

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building on the back is f'd up and the hole looks like an arse-hole.

tips?

>>3088573
this.

this so much. On paper I had 0 problem with line art and now on the computer its the hardest part.

>>3088580
sorry if image is too large

Holy shit, getting into a state of flow is scary, 4 hours just went past in a flash.

>>3088579
this looks pretty swell anon, still needs some work though.

like the nose and shadows(lack there off).

>>3088579

shitty animu eye

>>3086651
>late reply

I'd love if you just dumped animal refs whenever you had the time

>>3088614
i like it, nice and spoopy

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>>3088555
does this figure read well? i think i have trouble with that when i'm figure drawing. what should i improve on it. it was a 10 min drawing

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>>3088627
ref

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>>3088571

Is there a thread for absolute newcomers to art? Everyone here seems talented

>>3088637
Don't worry lad, even if you only can draw stick figures, you are among friends.
Don't be afraid to ask/post if you seem lost on what to do to improve your artwork

>>3088637
you'd be surprised what you can do if only you are taught how to try hard.

>>3088637
draw something from a reference and post it.

'talent' has nothing to do with it.

what about me?
>>3087816
>>3087830
is all hope lost?

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any recommendations on this?

>>3088651
make it smaller yah dope

>>3088651
oops sorry
large picture

>>3088651
>coloring it before you're done sketching
what the hell mate
>improve anatomy
>improve your sketch
>add details
>lineart
>color and shading
etc

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>>3088606
Well sure, right now I have 528 animal/insect/etc pics in my collection, I'll post 5 again.

>>3088656
I'm actually setting the base colors. I'll get rid of all lines eventually, they're there as a guide

You say improve anatomy and skething. That's what I'm here for, mate.

How? What should I do differently? Don't just say "improve", please.

>>3088658
Could you do a mega/google drive dump? Always looking for more random animals to be inspired by.

>>3088656
this is part of the reason this board is dying

>>3088656
Why do you list 5 reasons without giving a proper explanation for each? Half assed advice like this is the reason why so few anons barely improve if at all.

Inb4 loomis.

>>3088671
Well I guess yeah, but I still need to sort the folder(s) by animal types and edit some images that have huge file size for no reason. Also need to visit other boards again since it's been a while so there's new images to be found and then I'll need to search for sites that specialize in animal images so I can further improve my collection. My upload speed is also 40kb/s and the folder is 1.12gb so this will take a bit, I'll edit the huge pics, zip it and upload if you don't care about the above?

>>3088686

https://www.pinterest.com/search/boards/?q=animal%20ref

>>3088614

Study face planes. It will help with lighting.

>>3088627

In my opinion you could probably leave beginner. That's pretty great.

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More rough poses practice from imagination (mostly). I'm building from the torso out. I did try to work with different perspectives but I went back to practice the basic first.

>>3088627
I think you did really good in capturing the movement of the pose.
Forms are a mess in the torso area though, hard to see what is going on. You need to distinguish more clearly between chest and hip and where they overlap.
Do some Bean drawing maybe....

>>3088637
>Everyone here seems talented
Heh
Thanks for cheering us up though

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>>3088651

>>3088717
thanks, i don't think it's time to leave yet though

>>3088724
yeah the torso is what i was worried about, you're right it's pretty illegible. thank you for the bean suggestion, i think simplifying the forms like that will help a lot

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Crit me

>>3088720
Pretty good! I think you're ready for the next step, with more detail, polish, and rendering, and starting finished drawings. Your next step is lighting the pose, so start playing with that.

PDFs of books put me to sleep. What do

>>3088627
Move on to 25 and 1 hour poses. Every figure drawing class I ever took, 10 minute poses were gesture/warm-up. I think you get the point of the 10 minute, and are doing it well - so move up to the next level of longer drawings. Take the reference, do a 10 minute to warm up, then do a longer drawing, and start working on lighting, rendering, and more polish and work on the contours, forms and detail.

>>3088651
First off, work bigger, or use smaller lines. It feels bulky, and the linewidth is hiding your weaknesses in drawing the form.

I think this piece is above your skill level, to be honest. Your lack of anatomy is pretty evident. You're trying to draw something that should convey movement, lithe forms and flowing lines, and it's overall kind of dumpy.
Also, breasts don't work like that, even fake ones. One form of reference you should be looking at is pictures of women swimming underwater - the body will react differently underwater.
I would hold off on color, and work on your forms, and your anatomy, if you insist on moving forward. You're going to be frustrated anyway, because this is above your level, but you can minimize that by focusing on the foundations of the piece.
There's nothing wrong with not being ready for a finished piece like this. Patience is important, and owning and embracing that you have more groundwork to go, before attempting something like this. If you spend time around this forum, this is a common thing - people jump into work that's too advanced for them, and they get stuck and frustrated by the results.

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>>3088732
>>3088777
I'm very thankfull for the critique. You're right, I'll study some more before going back to this piece

In the meantime, I decided to pick up this sketch from last week and start the painting.
I'm painting with only earth/brown tones first to set up my volumes, then I'll apply colors.

I'm a bit afraid of the hair, though. I'm not sure about how to paint that. Also the mirror in her hand (yeah, that's a mirror) - I'm looking at some mirror references and it's still complicated

Any tips?

>>3088765
Thanks! I'll start doing that next

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>>3088571

Man, this took me way longer than I want to admit.

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>>3088720
No reference used for this one. My hatching needs work.

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body construction practice

>>3089082
legs are super thick. face looks ugly, same for hair.

>>3088813
Np just means you got more practice

>>3089082
Why'd you bother with trying to draw a face when practicing constructing. Just draw more construction poses instead.

>>3089105
because i'm working on making it a drawing after, duh

>>3089082

That fucking face... kek...

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POsting to /beg/ again. Maybe somebody can give something of an answer.

Hopefully this thread can get some gears turning.

Tryna get more into composition, I'm wanting to learn more

What I know:
>>Western audiences read left to right, eastern right to left
>>Straight lines are direct, curved lines moves slower
>>Diagonal lines are harsh and dynamic
>>S-curves amble naturally, C -curves are faster
>>Bigger masses overpower smaller ones
>>Smaller objects can make for good focal points
>>Denser lines guide the gaze
>>Paterns lead the eye back and forth
>>Depth = space
>>Mg, Mg, Fg
>>Rule of thirds & golden ratio shtick
>>Camera lens/angle can decide focal points/detail
>>Text is what they eye shoots too
>>We follow faces and eyes and gazes
>>Point-counterpoint
>>Atmospheric perspective provides depth
>>Overlapping
>>Farther=less detailed

This is all from just pretty much Framed Ink and various videos and infographics.
Now, I'd like to fill out this knowledge with some answers to some questions:

>>Whats the best article on leading lines?
>>What does it feel like when we move left to right, as oppposed to right to left?
>>Is there specific emotion from various directions?
>>More than a rudimentary view of upshots/downshots?
>>What happens/what are the rules of lines colliding?
>>Do specific shapes ellicit certain feelings?

If you read this, and have some answers or maybe videos to ponder on, any and everything is appreciated.

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>>3088571
day 7
i actually thought it was looking pretty good until i looked at it from a further view

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critique? this has squeezed all my detail/rending ability

will listening to rhytmical music make me better at gesture?

>>3088634
nice for a sketch, not really for a study. Good work tho, hair is very pleasant

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Posted this in that self portrait thread. I know one eye is way too far out, i like the uneasiness

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Can I get critique for this?
I'm trying to make a scary picture with perspective but I was wondering if there's anything wrong with it.

>>3089223
This man got no shoulders

>>3089230
Ill add some.

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I have absolutely no faith in my ability to draw. I am so lacking in confidence that I'm here asking for help. What do?

>inb4 never gonna make it, give up

>>3089243
This is fine. Leave /ic/ and don't look back, you're better off working on your own and this toxic environment will just hold you back.

>>3089243
Pick up an art book, try copying the drawings displaying the current chapter's lesson in action and see if you feel like you already have a grasp on it
Move on if you do, study that aspect if you don't

What's a good place for proper anatomy/figure?
I've only done gesture's so far.

>>3089245
>>3089245
Not sure if sarcastic. Too tired to tell at this point. Are you trying to be helpful or am I a waste of space?

>>3089246
I know you get what I meant but for the retard that thinks I'm giving bad advice: Don't copy it without giving it thought, do your own thing if you want, just apply the concepts yourself

>>3089249
Thanks. I've been meaning to check out some art books out from the library. The pdfs just aren't the same..

>>3089247
Well Hampton builds his figure drawing on top of gesture so you could check out his design and invention book, but he expects a decent level of familiarity with proportions so you might want to do Loomis for a while and move on with Hampton after that

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should i burn it to hell or is it fixable?

>>3089248
No sarcasm. /ic/ is a toxic shithole with bad advice by people who can't draw. You're doing well, your drawing is coherent and shows potential.

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>>3088565
finished finally

>>3089176
eric? if so, you've actually improved
>>3089268
good stuff, time to consider leaving /beg/ if you can do that consistently

>>3089266
Why do you lie?

>>3089176
I think it's a little advanced a subject for you. You're basically cartooning, and not even trying to render something that looks real. Rocks don't look like that. Waves don't look like that. Clouds don't look like that.
And, you're using black too much. Pure black is actually very rare in nature, you should be using dark values of color, not black, especially in clouds, especially in clouds in front of the sub.
This image is what you're trying to do: see the difference?
For stuff like this, use a reference. You'll learn more.

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>>3089283
Image

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Ok I need help. I know the eyes and the mouth are a little fucked up, but is there anything else wrong that stands out?

>>3089278
Thanks anon.

>>3088804
Honestly, you're working above your ability, again. Using browns to establish values...why? Just use black and white. And, your brushwork is very beginner, I would work on simpler objects, you've chosen things that would challenge even advanced artists. You're just piling mistakes on top of mistakes - poor drawing over poor anatomy over poor color choices over poor lighting.

As for hair, study it. Use references. Hair has a shape, and a volume, and has a grain to it, the direction of the hair, and it has a volume. You draw it by capturing the contours and shapes within, and then paint it using shadows, mid tones, and highlights.

I just don't think you'll learn much, working this advanced, when you don't have the building blocks mastered yet. You've chosen extremely advanced compositions, and the frustration and getting lost will keep you from learning anything of value.

>>3089285
Chin is too shallow, it's too high, and throws off the entire lower part of the face. Use measuring to correct that.

This isn't the greatest reference to learn from, it's too contrasty and a lot of the values you need to build the form are blown out, or too dark. You gave her a giraffe neck, because you can't see the neck clearly. She does have a very long neck, but you didn't get the back right.

Too much scribbling, too. The hair is a cop out. You did good for a beginner, but ruined it with the scribbling in the hair, and the background. Keep your drawings more clear, or work on filling areas with a solid tone, with no pencil marks showing.

Good attempt, now try another one - don't use a contrasty photo for the next one.

>>3089306
thank you anon, this is very helpful.

How do I into proportion?

>>3089324
Look for pose references on quickpose, then draw Loomis skeletons in that pose without copying the reference

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>>3089278
amp ericb

>>3089284
>>3089283
im not saying its great or anything but refs are really inconsistent with this type of setting. ref above is the 'type' of rocks im going for. theyre decently similar. this ref is of clouds at sunset. you'll get all kinds of different colors/saturation variations if you google ocean clouds sunset. as for the black i completely agree. i need to lighten the whole thing up.

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>>3089339
forgot the ref

>>3089337
theres something to be admired about your tenacity to stick to it despite your terrible mindset and noticeable lack of progression.

who is more noble, one who begins as such or the one who struggles manfully against his ignobility?

>>3089326
Where do I wanna get into this skeleton?
Figure drawing-For all it's worth?

>>3089344
hey now that guy said i improved and i fixed my mindset a little

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hi guys first time on tablet and first time on /ic/

>>3089350
>first time on tablet
>first time on /ic/
you don't say

>>3089353
heh usually just hanging around the other boards but i was gifted a drawing tablet so thought about checking /ic/ out... am i doing something wrong?

>>3089346
Yeah, the one from page 38/40

>>3089354
/beg/ of /ic/ is just the most autistic place on this side of chan.
It's also pretty much all about focusing on improving, if becoming better is what you want, welcome, but it's hell you are walking into

>>3089344
Nobility quotes get me going

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self."

>>3089360
yeah i've heard that and i do want to become better

>>3089134
I like it

>>3089365
1st step: Throw away the manga/comic style crap
2nd step: Look at the google docs in the op.
3rd step: Start grinding Keys to Drawing, Draw a Box, and after those Proko.
4th step: Lurk /beg/ to see suggestions people give to problems, sources for learning shit and all that jazz.

>>3089082
is that supposed to be a male?
cus you got them birthing hips thar

>>3088770
i have been avoiding longer figures, but it's probably time to start doing them. thanks for the advice

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How's my Falco?

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Right, I quit.
O don1t know how pose this hand. Any tip?

Yep, Im studying Loomis and Jazza

>>3089223
The shape of the hand is unnatural

>>3089408
The arms are way to short, if it's going to partly fall off the page then let it, don't force things into view when they shouldn't be. In the same way you've also curved and lengthened her left lower arm (behind her back) in a very strange way, the upper and lower arm are supposed to be about the same length.

>>3089200
I love how uneasy your life and job opportunities'll be too

>>3089408
Are you sure you're studying Loomis and not Osteoporosis? Because that's what it looks like. Ditch the 3rd grade weeb girl style, you're insulting yourself.

>>3089408
but jazza is trash

>>3089176
The clouds are more like flying turds. Too dense, not transparent enough. Loosen the bowels

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I'm not sure if I've did it right, but the faces and the folds are strange, some advice?

>>3089435
What do you mean?
I can't see anything wrong with it can tell me?

>>3089469
try to spread out your fingers, you will notice the ring finger and middle finger are always closer to each other and are unable to spread out as far as pinky and pointer finger.

Does anyone have like a list/summery of some simple exercises to do?

can someone please point me to a guide on how to start drawing?

i see everyone here just read the loomis books and i went ahead to get them all from the artbook thread and now i don't know where to start which one should i read first?

also isn't it bad if i only "copy" one artist? shouldn't i copy from every good artist?

i wish there was a guide that helps you to get from one babystep to the next babystep cause i feel like i am beyond retarded if i can't even start drawing with all this material i have gathered already, i'm just feeling like i'm getting crushed.

i have really mad respect for everyone out there actually being able to draw even day1 beginners get my respect cause they actually started drawing and i am still sitting here not knowing what the fuck to do.

i really wonder if i'm gonna kill myself before i start learning to draw at this point

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>>3089382
yes, and yes, i'm aware of his womanly hips, that's on purpose

>>3089502
here are some options

a) google drawabox, do lesson one
b) open up loomis' fun with a pencil and do what he tells you
c) get keys to drawing and do the exercises it tells you to do

>>3089509
Is that left leg supposed to be straight? Shin way too short

>>3089513
it is, and thanks, i'll fix that in editing

>>3088571
holy shit it's vintage tina fey

>>3089146
Your biggest problem is symbol drawing the facial features, rather than using the tip of your pencil to draw them try using the side and just try to get the values right.

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EVERYTHING SUCKS.

>>3089569
No!Improve your Lineart and try to draw the chin a bit different.It looks better as you think.

>>3089370
thanks

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>>3089446
>>3089437

>the arms too short

For this a can't pose fist / hand appropriately?
A think all time it was problem in "the hand" and no pay attention on this.

>>3089447

I like jazza simplified models.

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>>3089599

Ok, I will try fix this and study arms proportion.
Thanks, anons.

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>>3089572
Thank you! It's harder to stylize than I thought

>>3089599
Are you secretly Zun?

>>3089509
Head is way too smal.

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Finished my army of Loomis dudes

I'm thinking about the form and pose myself and not just copying the example drawings, I swear

>>3089200
looks like that bitch from game of thrones

>>3089502
>also isn't it bad if i only "copy" one artist?
Yes.

>shouldn't i copy from every good artist?
Yeah, at least try as many as you can, and it's better if they are diverse.

>i wish there was a guide that helps you to get from one babystep to the next babystep
You don't need that. Just draw. Draw what you feel like drawing. You used to draw when you were a kid, right? So do just that, take a pencil and start drawing. See what's wrong, try to improve. Do master studies.

>>3088573
>>3088578
I think drawing on PC is hard in general. I want to, but I always quit early because I can't get shit to work.

>>3089673
>You used to draw when you were a kid, right?

actually no i never drew i was playing nes, snes and sega and continued playing video games when growing up so i never draw or painted anything in my childhood.
I'm 25 now and wanted to learn to draw a year ago and here i am now 1 year later still being paralyzed by something i can't understand, it's so overwhelming to learn how to draw it's crushing me. i've been watching and reading draw tutorials for the whole past year almost every day trying to find this one missing piece of the puzzle that makes me finally go and actually learn to draw but i can't find it i would literally need someone to make me a throughout guide on what to do every day i have no job nothing i have all the free time in the world but i just can't.

i guess my mental health issues aren't helping with that either.

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>>3089299
I use browns to stabilish values because that is how I learned when studying oil painting. It works better for me than using black and white, really.

what do you mean by the brushwork? is it because it's not too rendered?

is the anatomy that off? I tried to correct the shoulder lenght but otherwise I can't find other stuff wrong. please point it out so I can correct it

>>3089696
Just ficking take a fucking pencil and fucking draw something right fucking now what the fuck. There's no right way to learn, you will learn as long as you actually draw something.

>>3089146
you know you're going to have to draw the hair eventually. stop being lazy

>>3088804
Use bigger strokes when laying out your values/colors. Using a small brush makes surfaces look lumpy.

>>3089398
small

draw bigger, nigger

>want to be able to draw anything from imagination
>cant
>find out that 99.9% of proffessional artists cant either
>everyone is essentially 'faking it til you make it'
>the only people that can draw anything from imagination are 60+ elder gods like vilppu who have been drawing since they were 5 years old

>>3089176
i told you a long time ago that an overflow of detail ruins everything that you make

it doesnt seem taht you've picked up on this concept unfortunately

>>3089777
You are wrong, that's all I have to say. Just learn perspective and go outside and observe the world around you.

>>3089555
what do you mean? like draw the actual eye lids and lips with values even though they are mostly lines?
>>3089727
i know. i mostly do those drawings at night and im already tired by the time i get to the hair so i just half ass it.

>>3089630
is it, how big should it be?

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>>3089791
>just observe the world around you

>>3089777
Imagination is something you can train just like drawing from reference. It's hard because you haven't used that part of your brain enough but just draw something from imagination everyday and it will because easier. Also observing and exposing yourself to different things. If all you look at is people then it will be hard to draw animals or cars.

>>3089777

Drawing from imagination is pretty much taking bits and pieces of specific stuff from your memory and mix them all together to produce something.

Whether that something is good or not depends on your experience and creativity.

But here's the thing. Not everybody have photographic memory and it takes time to ingrain something in your brain enough that you can pull it out anytime you want.

The reason people like kim jung gi can draw anything he could think of without relying on ref is because he draw a fuck ton. I heard he never go out without his sketchbook. He draw anything he see or he find interesting and he's been doing since god knows when...

It's okay to use ref especially for things you've never drawn before.

Keep practicing, keep drawing A LOT. Repetition is key.

A great man once said "When in doubt, draw it a 100 times more..."

books for construction?

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have a quick brendan. it was for a friend but was a good warmup

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>>3089716
>you will learn as long as you actually draw something.
No
Stop fucking memeing this, this is the worst piece of fucking advice I've ever seen on this site.
You can draw all the fuck you want, but if you never actively try to learn from it you won't get fucking anywhere.
You need to conciously practise, you need to try to conciously improve on what you did, that's the only way.
Just drawing will in the end run you into a fucking corner, where you have ingrained your faulty techniques to such a degree that you have no idea how to even start repairing it, except by starting from scratch.
Don't ever just draw.
Don't fucking tell people to just draw.
You need to make an effort and fucking practise.
Learn.
Pic related: How good you get with "Dude just draw lmao" in 15 years.
Do you wan't to waste 15 years?
No?
Start fucking studying.

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>>3089888
trips calls for a macro crop

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done with pencils, will prolly ink later digitally and fix the leg length problem as mentioned earlier

>>3089896
pretty unappealing all around. how did you achieve that?

>>3089881
theres litteraly tenths of them read the fucking sticky

>>3089917
I did, the sticky says to watch one proko video and that drawabox shit /ic/ already told me to avoid

>>3089922
Did you open the google doc in the op?

>>3089619
stop trying to stylise, it happens naturally.

>>3089923
Yes

>>3089927
then you didn't fucking read it, it mentions a ton of material

>>3089924
where the hell did you get that meme from

>>3089931
No it doesn't.

>>3089932
style is just a set of personal shortcuts people make and the way people make lines. it's completely personal and trying to stylise is like trying to draw a signature that isnt yours.

>>3089936
no fucking hell that's completely wrong

only complete newbies who haven't studied fundies or realism or anything think like that

>>3089934
fucking kill yourself

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not really sure how to use a tablet, are there any guides on how to do what im trying to do?

>>3089937
alongside basic logic, here's two artists saying the same thing
https://youtu.be/HTi6HZ97_8E?t=7m11s

Is this jazza guy a bad meme? Should i watch his videos

>>3089953
So what does it say? I'm not going to watch some youtube video just to get your point.

In any case everything you've said contradicts everything in my own experience and what I've learned in professional art. The artists who consistently get work are the ones who are flexible and capable of drawing in any required style.

The only ones who are stuck in one "muh style" are the beginners and amateurs who don't have the fundamental skills necessary to be flexible with style.

>>3089974
Jazza is a good case study of how make money as an artist, but not how to be a skilled artist.

>>3089949
KNKL just started a little tutorial series that might be helpful.

This one goes over more conceptual stuff like WHAT you need to learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMreh9SYSnE

This one goes more into HOW to use your tablet and photoshop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq89oZnCou0

If these aren't helpful then give ctrl-paint a shot, he's got a shit load of free videos on his site.

>>3089949
maybe stop treating it like a pencil. its a brush

>>3089984
well you're trying to create your own "muh style"; copying other styles for consistency in animation or to makes kids happy or whatever is different and doesnt require you to force a style out of nowhere.

>>3090001
i like pencils. what precisely do you mean?

>>3089991
this and cntrl paint is for painting, not draftsmanship

>>3090011
basically stop trying to hatch. increase the brush size and lay-in some tones.

>>3090018
but i want to hatch. i've seen other digital artists hatch

>>3090019
thats great. but laying in tones will help you understand hatching variation too as it is essentially the same thing.

i wanted to hatch too starting out. i was inspired by manga. and nothing helped my hatching more than painting.

give it a shot.

>>3090009
If anything, with inventing a personal style you havemore leeway, since you're not under any kind of a deadline, and you're basically your own boss when it comes to that. Yes, a lot of famous and successful artists have a personal style they are known for, but most of them are good enough they could draw in a variety of styles if they wanted or needed to. They just stick to what their fans / audience have learned to expect from them, to avoid damaging the trademark.

But yes, worrying about your personal snowflake "muh style" is a bit early when you're just learning to draw (took me a while to realize this was the beginner thread I was posting in)

First learn how to do things the correct, boring way, then begin experimenting.

>>3090023
ok sounds like a worthwhile thing to learn. i'll make sure to do that

Hello /beg/ I just started learning how to draw a couple of days ago but how does anyone actually get through one of these pdfs? They're so fucking boring. I've been reading between three books now hoping it gets interesting.

>>3090046
I was through this as well , but i've decided to start drawing by myself. I seeked for help when some parts of my sketches went wrong and corrected them with tutorials
it is going pretty good so far, so i guess you should start drawing carelessely an then use the pdfs as a correction

>>3090046
you do the drills. all of them, multiple times.

>>3090046
I can only absorb information from the material after I have been sufficiently frustrated from failure. I could watch a whole vilppu lecture without even glancing at the time.

Is it normal that it takes me hours just to draw some simple drawing without any shading/colors?

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Jeremy Mann study

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another

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Thoughts so far?
Any advice?
I'm trying to make it look like a guys coming out of the darkness.
I think I screwed up the fingers a bit might be too far apart.

>>3090029
more than that, having a style helps marketing and can help give your portfolio a theme and get you to land more jobs.

>>3089641
they look floaty

>>3090077
>advice
You just ignored us.
>>3089469
>>3089474
Told you earlier, try to emulate the pose with your hand, it's impossible to expand your fingers like this.
Also remember, that bilateral symmetry isn't a good thing to see, don't you think?

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r8 my dorf

>>3090077

You just need to do the same pose in front of a mirror.

>>3090107
I couldn't fix the fingers at this stage ill try to improve on that in my next drawing.
Also when your talking about bilateral symmetry do you mean the shadows on the right side of the face? I was hoping it would make it look less flat.

>>3090125
No, you did a great job with that.
But I was referring to the fingers, the perspective it's too perfect, and in this case emphasizes the anomaly with the shape of the hand.
Try to change your point of view, and test with a different perspective

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did some drills

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>reading how to render
>1-2-3 read chapter
>Shadow side = 10 - (true value) / 2
I AM ENLIGHTENED, I CAN RENDER ANYTHING

SCOTT BLESS

>>3090143
Oh I think I get what you mean.
and yes I'm trying to do more perspective stuff.

>>3090114

spend more time on it...

>>3090149
what?
please tell me more about this, I don't understand the way you put it

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can you guys rate my (digital) inking?
I know final art should not be only tracing the contour lines, but I can't find more stuff to put black on

>>3090168
Pretty good I think the head night be a bit too small.
And something feels kind of off about the gun.

>>3090168

Work on the face. When you draw people the first thing viewer look at is the face unless you hide it with something. And if the face looks like shit doesn't matter if the rest of the drawing is epic. It'll just look like a joke.

>>3090173
thanks, I'll review the head size
perhaps it's that gap in the middle of the barrel. there will be some energy-like sparkle shining there, so I think it will help
thanks a lot for pointing that out

>>3090180
care to explain why, mister my-mom-never-taught-me--not-to-say-mean-things-unnecessary? I'm all ears to criticism

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>>3090163
To find the darkest value of an object (excluding ambient occlusion,) you can take the lightest area, aka the true value and subtract it from the value ten (black) and divide that value by two. Then add that to the true value.

A cubes lightest value is 0 (White)
(10 - 0) / 2 = 5 - the darkest value of the cube is mid grey
A cubes lightest value is 5
(10 - 5) / 2 = 2.5 - Add 2.5 to 5 and the darkest side is 7.5.
A cube is light grey, so about 3
(10 - 3) / 2 = 3.5 - add 3.5 to 3 to get the darkest value of 6.5
Half way between those numbers is the mid value obv

You can replace the 10 with other values like 8 to achieve different shadow strengths im assuming.

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How is this so far? I'm trying shading.

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>>3090182

>care to explain why, mister my-mom-never-taught-me--not-to-say-mean-things-unnecessary

Kek.... How old are you?

>I'm all ears to criticism

Your face is hideous (looks like shit) it's taking away the attention from everything else.

Practice drawing good looking face.

>>3090195
you're not helping anyone out, you're just shitsaying a lot of shit

try pointing out the mistakes on the piece shown
"go practice" is not advice, is shit.

>>3089454
some clouds look like turds though

>>3089787
that sounds like an opinion

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>>3090204

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>>3090197

It's pretty clear dear anon...

If you suck at something you just need to practice doing that something. Like blowjobs, you just need to suck a lot of dick or penis looking object and you'll be good.

You draw shit face? Practice drawing good face. Simple stuff.

>>3089821
>what do you mean? like draw the actual eye lids and lips with values even though they are mostly lines?

Yes

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>>3090207
>>3089176
Please read this tutorial:
http://yuumei.deviantart.com/art/Cloud-Tutorial-Part-1-396507964
http://yuumei.deviantart.com/art/Cloud-Tutorial-Part-2-426488065
And download the brushes, then do a master study of Albert_Bierstadt_-_Among_the_Sierra_Nevada,_California_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg and post it here.

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Got a tablet, digital is pretty fun, gonna grind like crazy while my honey moon phase with this thing lasts.

>>3090222
Nice camel

>>3090168
You have a very small head

>>3090204
then ur not allowed to cry when you're still at this level in three years

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>>3088565

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Still trying to git gud at Gesture. The first one isn't mine and I'm getting somewhere here

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Is there anything i'm doing wrong here?

>>3090323
not glaringly, no. pretty good study. if i were you, id be breaking out the softer graphite and working on the final linework. it will certainly make a world of a difference for a small amount of time polishing.

>>3088576
wheres ur perspective SENPAI

>>3090319
if you wont scan it, at least get one of those scanner apps on your phone and put the drawing under some good light. but from what i can barely see, seems like good practice.

>>3090279
when did i cry? idgaf if i dont make progress fast or on some timeline. its a hobby you stupid cloud

>>3090219
neat. i will try playing around with the clounds and lightening the rocks and call it finished then do that study

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how do I git good?

>>3090338
You can also download just some general brushes if yuumeis don't work for you.

>>3088757
Start reading Hampton, Anon.

>>3090343
i never use anything but hard/soft and a few of the default brushes. maybe its time to put my big boy brush pants on and try new stuff out

>>3090341
Looks like Tumblr.

>>3088766
Download or torrent lectures

>>3090348
Clouds are mostly brush spam with some shading/colouring anyway.

>>3090341
Loomis.
also practice on real models

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>>3090207
This is clouds. Clouds are fun to paint, once you figure out how they're formed, and how they move. Throwing color in is even more fun.

"Some clouds are turds" - that's where artistic license comes in - you paint or draw non-turn clouds instead.

See it as an opportunity, not a chore.

Alright guys, I don't know how to control myself.

>feel like I don't want to draw
>force myself to pick up sketchbook
>start doodling
>five hours later
>haven't stopped doodling

Doodling is totally worthless and I know I have to stay on subject. How do you properly discipline yourself?

>>3090368
but the clouds at the bottom do look like turds.

>>3090352
very difficult spaming with difficult shading

anyways i went over and lightened everything up and changed the sky a bit (pushed the purple out and pushed the reds and yellows further). is this looking better? from here ill try to deturd my clouds with my sweet new brushes

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forgot the pic

>>3090207
how long does it take to start making paintings like this?

>>3089258
Don't burn it, later on when you improve you can look back at that and smile

>>3090371
Just draw, but with direction and focus

>>3090400
10-15 years, with a solid dedication to oil painting, have talent, and study under masters.

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>>3088571

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i've started doing these drawings everyday; is that good enough to draw girls better eventually?

>>3090148
i like your style
did you use any references?

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Digital drawing fugged me over

I'm trying to do pencil again.

Thoughts?

>>3090438
How's that twitch you get when want to click undo.

>>3090441
Surprisingly not bad

The biggest problem is my fear of fugging up a line and erase a lot of the drawing

Also I'm having to relearn pen and ink

>>3090425
very nice, how did it take you a whole 30 minutes though lol, i just can't picture what you were doing with your time, there's like 30 seconds of mark making there, still good though

>>3088555
I am reading Drawing on the Rifht Side of the Brain right now and it says I need to use viewfinders.

I really don't want to make or buy them. Can I do alright without them? What do they do?

>>3090431
sorry to let you down, but i did say i did drills. they are all referenced

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R u spooped by this drawing??

>>3089082
Hey! These are great. You're doing a good job. Keep up the good work. Also, were you drawing in public yesterday? I think I saw these.

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>>3088571
Any advice? I don't paint that often but whenever I do everything ends up looking weird. I spent too much time on this already so I probably wont take it any further.

>>3090456
that doesn't let me down at all
keep it up

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I drew this can someone draw lips on it :c

>>3090468
eyes are a bit off, as in each looking at a different point

>>3088573
bigger tablet, antifouling glove, stabilizer, and lots of practice.

>>3090474
here u go senpai u can send me $50 to paypal anytime just let me know.

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>>3090485

>>3090474
It's not that great so draw the lips yourself and learn how to draw them do next time they won't be as bad.

You won't get better if you don't put in the effort.

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>>3090474

>>3090471
you made my night. thanks.

>>3090444
idk i guess getting the shapes right took awhile. i was using vine charcoal so it was kinda inaccurate which made me keep readjusting the shapes.

>>3089268
really nice dude, the only possible critique i could make is to up the contrast by brightening up the lights a bit. like more of what you did on the chin.

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Can I get a crit and red lines?

I've start drawing a little less than 2 months ago. Just been grinding gesture and figure construction for a couple hours a day. This is the best I can do at this point.

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>>3088565
>>3088571
>>3088574
>>3088628
Thanks for the studies guys. Sorry for the bad quality pic.

>>3090425
Good job anon

>>3090514
Can't redline, but the problem seems to be measurement and perspective. The hip on the girl is higher than in your pic. Compare the negative space (the space around the figure) to see the diference. Especially in that triangle-kinda shape between her left arm and leg.

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wanted to practice making an older character

>>3090559
Don't you want to practice making something that doesn't look like a creepy goblin?

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>>3090438
I'm finished.

What do you guys think?.

It has been like almost a year since I tried pencil pen and ink.

I'm trying to get used to it again.

I drew this little 4 panel comic.

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Any advice before I ink this?

>>3090630
sketch again
the forms are not quite defined yet, you will have to make up a lot of stuff while you're inking
the inking should have a solid sketch underneath it so you aready know what you're going to draw with the pen/brush

just put this layer with like 30% opacity and sketch again over it, now a little less sketchy

>>3090089
Depends where you're applying really. Some companies are only interested if you can draw in their established house style. Others may be looking for flexible individuals and then it's good to show in your portfolio that you can, in fact, flex.

Are the new master's academy courses worth it for someone who's a beginner trying to learn anatomy?

>>3090634
Will do, thanks!

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>>3090148
some eyes. im trying to make my drawings pleasant to look at. that sounds fucking stupid to say

>>3090427
Actually yes, good enough to draw female poses better eventually. After doing that for a while a quick, detailed crash course in anatomy would put you at a decent level

Not enough to particularly improve your faces however

>>3090454
Do the exercises that don't need them and/or switch to Keys to Drawing, I don't know anyone that actually got themselves one of those

>>3090644
that's funny i drew some eyes like that from twin peaks too

>>3090514
Damn son you got that artsy fatty lines look, good shit

>>3090670
James is still cool

>>3090207
How the fuck do I get this good at painting? This is like hindsight vision to see that level of detail even in life.

What's a good place to purchase art materials online which ships to (you)rope?

>>3090625
pencil is not working well with ink at all

erase the pencil and finish inking it, I have a hard time even understanding it now

>>3090644
those are pretty nice eyes senpai, good job

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>>3090699
Thank you hehehehe

>>3090456
What're your reference? They're pretty cute, want to give it a try as well.

>>3090698
But my neck hurts sempai

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do my clouds look less like turds now?

>>3090689
you -do- understand that he's been painting for his whole life, right? it takes that long

>>3090625
don't press so hard

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>>3090625
>>3090698
>>3090722
What aboot now?

>>3090668
Thank you.

I'm getting extremely frustrated at how wordy the book is and how many exercises require you to contort to an uncomfortable position or spend hours just to try and prove her left-brain/right-brain concept over and over.

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>>3090717
so you have to paint 12 hours a day for 60 years to get this good?

:(

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>>3090207
This reminds me. I did this quick study of another Bierstadt's painting a while ago. Clouds are really hard to draw.

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>>3088555
Found a tablet yesterday. First drawing. Never drew digitally before.

Traced most of the lines because I'm not even able to make smooth lines but changed the breasts. I just winged the shading and light. No clue what I'm doing. No clue how to digitally work with colours. Pls halp.

>>3090712
Have you never seen clouds?

>>3090750
so they didnt improve

>>3090747
Just do some experiments, try different opacity and flow settings, see how colours blend, try different modes.

>>3090744
i think because scumbling is so natural with paint, it may be a bit easier to do clouds in oil.

>>3090747
Just noticed the colours look different and the shading looks 10x worse on my phone than they did on pc.

>>3090752
I did. I played with the opacity, flow and brush hardness but it always looks clunky. I know I jist need to practice but I feel a bit aimless, not spending my time as effective as I should, because I've no rezl clue besides trial and error.

>>3090747
Remember the background has a color/value as well.
Also pick better references.

>>3090756
you may want to make sure your monitor is calibrated correctly. often people have their monitors set with high brightness and low contrast, whereas they should be the other way around, there are websites with calibration charts and stuff that can help if you find it daunting

>>3090757
I didnt care much for the background it was just about the subject, or did I misunderstand you?

I picked naked women because of the curves and lines, and they're less intricate than other subjects I considered (in terms of colour and detail).

>>3090761
I set my monitor perfectly for gaming and editing videos so I assume it's not too great for drawing. Thanks, I'll google that!

>>3090762
Colors look differently on all white/black backgrounds.

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Bean bodies from imagination. Getting comfortable with a thinner brush and trying to get a feel for form.

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splatoon sketches, critique is appreciated / redline / whatever

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>>3090762
>I didnt care much for the background
all values in a drawing are about its relationship, white isn't bright just for being white its bright if it is near a darker value.
This is why when drawing a single subject people will put tones or hatching in the background.
Lines placed around the figure are not there to make a circle around the form outlines are only ever used to deepen the relationship of the edge of one object against another.

All of this can be discovered and mastered by drawing from life, and not photographs. Once you understand edges and basic construction and values you can study photos if you want

How do I study shading?

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>"Copy other good artist to learn how they draw"

>"Draw for yourself! Dont steal from others!"

WELL WHICH ONE IS IT?????!!!!!!!!

>>3090820
>draw your own things after learning to draw
>do both
>kill yourself
pick one

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>>3090820
>Copy artists until you get gud
>When you get gud shit on people who copy other artists so you can keep your position as number 1 artist

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When should someone attempt figure drawing? Before or after drawabox/Loomis

>>3090843
if you feel like figure drawing. draw figures from life. there is no requirement, sometimes you have to jump into the deep end. Just also work on loomis etc as well

>>3089821

See this one, >>3090425, look at it next to yours and compare them.

>>3090843
When someone learn to resize their images.

>>3090865
It's so big so you can appreciate the details.

>>3090878
Every grain of 6b graphite.

>>3090850
I just like to draw in general. It allows me to fill the void. Better to start now than to wish I started earlier

>>3090747
sauce on the pic?

>>3090997
>>3090997
>>3090997

>>3090997
>>3090997
>>3090997

>>3090997
>>3090997
>>3090997

>>3090489
LLLLLLLLLLLLMAO

>>3090197
Because the other anon was massively unhelpful, I'll give a few pointers on what's wrong with the face.

General feature placement is okay, but not amazing.
Monocle too small
Nose too narrow, a bit too long.
Mouth too small, verging on nonexistent.
The beard looks like a thin layer wet dog hair he taped to his face. Beards have thickness and come off the face, they don't adhere to faces naturally. They're also naturally curly in most men.
Where is this boy's left ear?
Skeletal structure doesn't make sense. Cheekbones aren't placed correctly with respect to orbits, right side of his face seems to have no depth. Monocle doesn't interact with orbits, cheekbone or browridge.

Obviously tons of things are wrong with it, but I don't think it's as bad as the other anon says it is, other than the beard. Tons of things are wrong with any drawing. You can do a lot of things that are wrong and make a lot of mistakes but still be happy and satisfied with a drawing imo. Just be aware of them and work harder next time.

>>3089459
It's not bad, your general anatomy is actually pretty good but the faces show a lack of loomis, or at least, you need to study it more.

Leftwoman's face isn't foreshortened properly for her to be looking down, the top of the head is visible, but then you draw the face the same length it would be if she was looking directly forward.

Right woman's eyes are too high up onto her forehead and the distance between the nose/mouth/chin is off.

I'd redline if I had my tablet on me.

Otherwise, I really like the detail on the clothing, and your lines are reasonably clean.

Another anon will have to get picky on the body anatomy because I am a /beg/ on that. Looks like yuo should have drawn Rightwoman's legs a little more through her dress to get to food placement correct.