>/ic/ will defend this.

what?

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>>3085487
>construction methods are bad now

>>3085489
The chin

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>>3085487
>both furry ears and human ears

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>>3085491
End your life, degenerate.

I dont get it.

>>3085494
How about you end your life?
World is better off if idiots like you aren't around

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>>3085499
>retarded degenerate and Dunning Kruger victim doesn't know how jaw work
Neck yourself unironically

What is going on, her mouth is open so you're not going to see the bottom of her chin at this angle, especially with a simplified art style.

>>3085505
kill yourself.

>>3085505
>imagine being so retarded that you cant understand the simplest 2d drawings

>>3085502
>Literally just look at the perspective

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>OP trying to act cool
>got TOLD
>start backpedaling
Embarrassing. This is why /ic/ can't have nice things

>>3085516
redline pls

>>3085520
redline what?

>>3085487
So wait, I'm retarded.
What exactly is OP trying to say here? That construction is useful? That it's useless? I'm confused.

>>3085522
>I am going to chime into the issue and provide my input even though I have no fucking idea what's going on

>>3085487
>>3085491
>>3085499
>>3085506
>>3085511
>>3085520
>>3085527
What are you trying to say?

>>3085524
He's trying to say you should be able to see the underside of her chin at that angle but as another anon explained her mouth is open and the image is stylized so you actually wouldn't be able to.

>>3085538
>If I pretend I am retarded long enough and just avoid the issue the problem will go away.

>>3085558

>>3085505
>>3085494

just delete your thread so less people learn that you're a retard

>21 posts
>10 posters
>pure shitpost

>>3085487
what are you trying to prove here?
if you think that's a badly drawn anime face, then you don't know how anime stylization works I guess.

>>3085724
Not op, but for the morons among us, how the fuck do anime chins work then? It confuses me how they read properly even though a whole plane is omitted

>>3085487
What DID he mean by THIS?

>>3085732
your brain adds the missing details. you watched enough anime, so now you recognize the rules of its style.

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>>3085487
I think the OP is trying to say that the stylized is incorrect because it's not showing the underside of the chin as indicated by the sketch he made. If that's the case, then I agree with him. While there are some artistic liberties within the anime style, I don't get the impression that this artist understands the construction of the head all that well.

>>3085487
Hey op, draw those shapes again but put the horizon line above them like it is with the animu girl

And then fucking neck yourself

>>3085732
Design > function. You choose the poses well and avoid the ones that push the anatomy too far. Essentially, you avoid drawing yourself into a hole.

If you watch the 3d animes, like a lovelive music video, youll see the different pans and angles they attempt and how god awful cringy they come out.

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free mems bois

>>3085815
another retard who doesn't understand how a jaw works or how mouth opens

>>3085815
your sketch doesn't really represent the drawing very well, i think you may have misunderstood it slightly

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>>3085815
Dear lord anon have you ever seen someone opening their mouth?
Did you not even see this?
>>3085494

>>3085867
That's not even the same angle Retard. Either way that head is flat as fuck

>>3085815
And yet he draws anime better than you.

>>3085487
>Claims to know how the jaw opens

>Doesn't know how the jaw opens

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>>3085516
They just wont listen, tsk tsk.

>>3085878
>That's not even the same angle Retard
That's not the point you fucktard, you can see the way the jaw goes down as we open our mouths on either the skull on mi pic, or this pic
>>3085494
If you are too stupid to see it at a different angle, just take the skull pic and rotate it as much as you want, the jaw will still open the same way.
Jesus, how can one be THIS stupid? have you never seen anyone talk in your life?

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Open jaw cylinder.

>>3085878
anon is saying that since the jaw is open the bottom plane of the jaw will actually be facing inwards towards the neck, thus not being visible in the drawing. you can do this with your own jaw. open your mouth like you're yawning, and feel the angle of the bottom plane of the jaw. compare this to the angle with your mouth closed. there should be a pretty big difference.

>>3086007
Someone doesn't know how perspective works.

Even if the jaw were not open, the angle is not sufficient enough for us to see the bottom of her jaw.

Secondly, and this really should go without saying, the bottom of the cylinder is not the bottom plane of the jaw.

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I bet OP shitposting in alt threads too.

>>3086162
Yeah, the people who think you can somehow see the botto of the jaw from that angle when you open your mouth. How about you just go look into a mirror before embarassing yourself any further?

>>3086357
I'm guessing you raise your head just enough so that you can see the bottom of your jaw. You're wrong. Stop making a fool of yourself.

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>>3085732
>how the fuck do anime chins work then? It confuses me how they read properly even though a whole plane is omitted

Just like normal chins, only simplified. You and OP don't understand how the anatomy of faces in general work it seems if you think they have omitted a plane in that drawing.

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>>3086359

>>3086359
the fuck is this retard even talking about anymore

>>3086400
I just realized I misread your comment. Thought you were OP still trying to defend himself.

>>3085487
>implying anime is realistic
Anime characters don't have jaws and mouths that interact properly by virtue of the artstyle.

/itt/ a bunch of /beg/s arguing with each other

this board really went downhill

>>3086451
so then why the fuck am i learning all this shit if anime doesn't follow any of it

anime is just fucking symbol drawing

>>3086489
You are so retarded.

>>3086489
>There's pros in the industry who know 0 anatomy but can draw animu perfectly fine

I mean, as long as you understand perspective and volume, then move on from there, you're fine. Lots of people who can draw at a realistic level, but can't draw animu to save their lives.

>>3086489
because you're dumb i guess. i think it's a common problem with people who want to draw animes, they're not naturally creative people, they're like nerdy programmer types who like anime too much, so they need rules to follow, so they're very susceptible to the 'fundamentals' meme, like if the knowing about how art is made will make them artists.

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>>3086500
They are the same kind of people who cry and don't get it when Vlippu says you have to 'feel' it.

>>3086489
meh, if it looks good, then is ok.

>>3086489
anime still follows fundamental rules of perspective, color theory, value, etc.
anime is heavily stylized realism.

>>3086534
dat nose bridge tho

>>3086540
>anime still follows fundamental rules of perspective, color theory, value, etc.
anime is heavily stylized realism.
Fucking lol
>>3085835

>>3086658
that's why you're never gonna make it

>>3086451
but they do, you're just not competent enough to see past the stylization of good artists

>>3086534
>deviantart name
You're not Vetyr

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>>3086658
>falling for a meme gif
First off the gif looks like shit in both angles, it's not an example of anything, you can make a well made 3d model that will look anime, and follow the rules of perspective.

The main problem in this board is that most people here are beginners with shit taste, who can't tell the difference between a good anime artist and a bad one.
they then look at anime art and make generalizations based on the things they see, but because they have zero fundamentals they dont understand why their generalizations are retarded, OP being a shining example of that.

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>>3086658
fookin lol

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>>3086679
>anime, and follow the rules of perspective.
>anime
>rules of perspective

pick one and only one for fuck sakes.

>>3086679
You replying to OP. He pretending to be retarded now

>>3086684
what point are you trying to make here? are you still pretending to be retarded?
there is actually a bump in the jaw, have you actually studied skulls before? and yes its a bump that will not be visible from the front, especially when its stylized to be this small, thats how perspective works.

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>>3086684
>>3086692
here you go a free anatomy lesson for you today, the bottom of the jaw isn't a flat plane

>>3086698
you aren't showing the bottom plane of the jaw, you're showing the side and front

hoooooly fuck /ic/ is embarrassing

>>3086698
I refuse to believe that somebody could actually be this retarded, but then again this is /ic/

>wake up
>thread still not deleted
>OP goes full retard

>>3086726
redline pls

>>3086700
??? all 3 planes are present in the picture
>>3086711
i see you've finally given up on trying to argue and have resorted to straight shitposting glad i could help you embarass yourself even further

>>3086732
>i see you've finally given up on trying to argue and have resorted to straight shitposting glad i could help you embarass yourself even further

Not OP but I think the whole point of this thread was that /ic/ would actually defend the ambiguity of the OP picture and you've seem to given them exactly what they wanted so congratulations.

>>3086737
>I was merely pretending
I'm sorry OP you'll do better next time, there is no ambiguity and everything was explained clearly, if you still can't follow then i'm sorry for you

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>>3086740
OP here, you've yet to provide a solution to a reoccurring problem that everybody seems to ignore and brushes it off with muh style as you've clearly shown moreover there's a reason why anime all looks the same because of its extreme limitations hence the sameface cookie cutter 3/4 emoticon faces. Thank you for not showing me otherwise I am quite surprised this thread lasted this long and thought it would die off but as we can clearly see we have an attempt to justify a fundamental flaw where unless you have a profile view of the cancerous animu head it theoretically has no jaw as perspective proves it on my OP image. I'll post an anime reaction image to humor you. Oh look this one actually has a nose bridge that clips out the eye - try and contain your autism on this one.

>>3086752

>>3085494
>>3085505

>>3086732
>thinks the jaw has 3 planes
holy fuck you can't make this shit up

/ic/ you're so dumb it makes me mad, I need to stop coming here

>>3086752
Have you honestly never played a game with a 3D anime character? Have you never even seen a fucking anime figure? Fuck why do we have to spoonfeed your stupid ass

>>3086765
They all rook the same

I am fairly convinced that these anime heads have their own perspective that is not following real world perspective instead it defies it with its own planes that cannot exist.

>>3085835
is exactly what I thought except I pictured it in profile view but when you turn it you will have to see that the nose would protrude outwards in an obtuse angle with its chin but the visage would be concave and this is corrected by changing the entire planes and perspective when viewing it at another angle; the nose bridge that was once there would disappear and the chin would be nonexistent again. Truly an enigma.

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>>3085494
ayyy

>>3086798
What's funny is that the mouth is following the perspective but it goes fuckall as soon as it hits the mandible; it is a flat plane yet it somehow casts a shadow. It is fundamentally impossible and flawed you cannot refute this.

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>>3086798

>>3086930
>Draws wrapping lines to imply form
>Still draws flat eyes
kek

>>3086942
>flat eyes

>>3086942

enough

>>3085487
not even meming, I hate anime now.

why are people still even replying?
OP is obviously a troll or a dumbass. Her mouth is open, that's why you can't see the underside of her jaw. There's no arguing that.

mods close the thread

>>3087047
redline pls

>>3087060
do it yourself and prove OP's point you retard

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OP's trolling is less disturbing than the fact that some posters don't simply say that the bottom of the cylinder is not the same as the bottom plane of the jaw.

>>3087098
>Changes perspective of the other cylinder
>Doesn't change the perspective of the cancer head
>Manages to draw the first cylinder in perspective
>The cancer metastasized and the flat plane returns
Stay golden, /ic/

>>3087119
why can't you draw it then why do you rather post a greentext shitpost

>>3086489
Fundies are the baseline but if you think knowing the fundamentals automatically will let you draw animus you're retarded. Stylization is harder than realism because it requires applying abstract, aesthetic and creative solutions over the fundamentals to design the canon you want for your work.

>Stylization isn't following rules, it's designing them.

>>3085487
It's not even the same angle. Did you even tried to redraw it using those shapes?

>>3086684
How the fuck can you not solve this, have you never had a single art class in your life?
How can someone be such a fucking philistine?

>>3086752
You refuse to see the solution because you have a vendetta and would rather be retarded than accept anime has underlying fundies applied.
The jaw is right there, you just refuse to see it.

OP can't draw, what a surprise.

>>3087334
>>3087335
>>3087338
redline pls

>>3087333
I did actually, relative to the bottom of the chin it's just that the entire face is in an entirely different plane.

>>3087339
You don't desserve my time, you don't even draw.

I was wondering why this thread was still front page despite the OP being non sense. Yeah, it's the typical /ic/ debate

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>>3087345
>I know i'll just tell them they're just not worth my time t-that'll show them! Heh...

Meanwhile pic related further reveals your fallacy of fundamentals being applied to this shit I sincerely hope you will remember that smug face when you're trying to figure out why you can't apply the correct form in perspective without resorting to that cookie cutter symbol.

>>3086489
I'm impressed someone managed to figure it out there's hope yet

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it's a cute clean style. The chin makes sense when it's taken in as a part of the whole.

Artistic lisence is when you get to cheat to make it look good.

>>3087369
Come back after you've flipped that horizontally.

>>3087372
you just completely missed my point :)
Have you taken your anti-depressants today?

>>3087369
Nigga this is both a troll and a retard, stop replying.

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>>3087377
>>3087383
kek

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Why is OP so butthurt?

clearly some anime styles are more cartoony than others.

he's butthurt the anime version of gumball doesn't follow loomis 100%

>>3087447
He's not butthurt he's shitposting and this stupid thread continues because /ic/ lives to reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee autistically at anything.

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>>3087367
It's called squash and stretch: chink version where they don't have to do all the complex work that makes it look too western.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMrKaQTXe7E

What is the underside of a moe character's chin supposed to look like? I can't make a mental image of it, it seems like animators intentionally avoid drawing it as much as possible because it's hard to make cute. Like how you rarely see my little pony characters directly front-facing.

>>3087367
picrelated simply proves you have no taste

"I know, I'll post a shittily drawn zero effort moeblob to prove fundamentals are not needed for anime!"

>>3086752
>brushes it off with muh style
>there's a reason why anime all looks the same because of its extreme limitations hence the sameface cookie cutter 3/4 emoticon faces
you are describing anime style, yes.
grats anon, you finally understand how it works.

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>>3087761
Anime jaws frustrate the fuck out of me. I just don't understand.

>>3085494

i hope you're underage

if you're in your late 20's and still think OP's correct... my god

Post it on 2ch

>>3087792
cope harder anime fag

Why is this thread still here

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I did it furiends, I found a pic of the bottom of an anime girl's jaw. She is more realistic and not very moe though. Still looking for the bottom of a moe girl's jaw.

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>>3087761

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>>3088906
It's kind of creepy when viewed straight-on like that. Can anyone draw it to look moe?

>>3086930
Thank you for this

>>3087761
>>3088858
>moe girl
and therein lies the rub.
you'll never find it anon.

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>>3087761
>>3089040
>>3088906
>>3088858
>pic of the bottom of an anime girl's jaw

found one

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>>3089072
Nice find, it doesn't look very good but I guess they're hoping the audience won't freeze frame on a low-effort in-between shot like that. Also you can see the bottom plane of the anime's ears here too which is interesting and also not very pretty.

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Wow you guys are retarded.
/ic/ confirmed for not drawing.

>>3091391
That's laughably the worst head I've ever seen, looks like an alien with no bones.

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>>3091391

>>3091394
>I don`t like the design decisions in this drawing, so I refuse to comprehend that the principals of construction behind it are universally applicable.
Ok.

>>3091402
>person doesn't know how to draw a cranium
>person doesn't know how to draw a neck
>person doesn't even know how to place facial features on a face
>person is somehow reputable in drawing chins
k

>>3091394
you are an idiot

>>3091391
I used to have nearly all of this guy's tutorials. Lost it all with my old comp. Anyone know who this is or where I can find his stuff?

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>>3091417
Pretty sure it`s teal line guy

>>3085494
>There are people breathing my air who actually find these kinds of """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""heads"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" attractive.

K.

>>3091408
What the fuck are you on about? Its clearly not meant to be realistic but its still correct, i don't see anything wrong with the cranium, the neck is purposely thin but properly going to the middle of the head and the features are properly lined up and sitting in real space.

He gives good advice on a commonly difficult subject

I dont even know what the OP is on about. If he did the redline then its wrong and he should learn a lesson about being a retard. The viewer is looking down on the anime girl but looking from under and up at the construction drawing. Its a totally different perspective. If it was the original artist who did the redline then he's still wrong but he got the actual piece right so who cares.

>>3085487
That little cylinder thingy you drew there seems to imply that the POV is way below her head which I don't think is the case.

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>>3085487
Is this better for you OP?

>>3085732
look at some figures/figurines of anime characters to see how they work in 3d. the cranium works the same way as in real life and there's a flat bottom under the jaw

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>>3093877
the absolute madman

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Is this ok?

>>3095173
Where is this from?

>>3095181

Shuichi Iseki's twitter.