All jokes aside, why does the majority of Tumblr artists draw

>>3081931
something something diversity something something aesthetic

>>3081931
because tumblr artists are all a single organism not individual people ... like mushrooms or some shit

>>3081931
Because they are fat, Sjw's that share a brain with the Tumblr network Jew.

>>3081931
>Do they just all copy off eachother?

That one.

>>3081931
Most people here draw shitty anime porn, most people are unoriginal

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>>3081931
If all you consume is tumblr art, you're going to draw tumblr art. I mean, it's kinda obvious. If you didn't like tumblr art, you wouldn't draw tumblr art .

It's like asking weebs why they draw anime, they draw it because they like it.

They genuinely like the aesthetic.

>>3081943
Who's the little boy you posted, what anime is he from?

>>3081943
This is definitely true it's the old saying you are the company you keep or in this case you are the art you see on Tumblr.

>>3081948
Ore Monogatari

>>3081931
Tumblr is a "scene". In the same way that /ic/ pressures all drawfags to be concept art renderwhores, the Tumblr scene wants things to be cute and cuddly and vaguely cartoony, in suspiciously similar ways. People who like the scene unconsciously mold their artstyles towards the group collective.

The reason you don't see this as easily on /ic/ is because /ic/ can't draw.

>>3082009
also nothing can be white and male at the same time. You're allowed to draw one but not the other at the same time. Becaus
>w-whitewashing!!!
>muh diversity!

>>3081931
yes, see manga

>>3081943
With weebs, the cause and effect is easy to see. There's a clear origin for that style.

But where did the "tumblr style" come from?

>>3082009
Sorry to double post but as an actual answer, this is what I find to be the truth. I got into reading Street Fighter comics 2 years ago and it really shows. My females, but Chun Li more than any, look very similar like how Edwin Huang draws them, my males (namely Ryu and Akuma specifically) always looks like Chamba's, and I've recently found myself imitating Omar Dogan for Laura. It really is the company you keep and the style you surround yourself with.

i don't...

>>3082645
I'm 100% sure it all comes from a 2000s comic called Wet Moon which was ridiculously popular among teenage girls. That and Loish.

>>3082645
Aren't the origins of it basically with the re imagined Disney princesses bullshit? People were trying to find non-offensive ways of drawing black people and fat people and the solution was to just make everyone ugly and bland. Then modern Cal Arts style seeped in because it was easier since the people sucked at drawing Disney style (Even Disney by the Disney Renaissance sucked at Disney style, it was a losing battle).

>>3081931
Because they like it, it isn't any different than all of the weebs that like drawing anime art style instead of doing their own shit. They find it appealing and also makes them feel like part of a community I suppose.

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>>3081931
I fixed it kind of...
I think tumblr does those noses because they feel it gives the face more attention to it. They want you to look at the face and not the body, i think???

>>3083043
forgot the hand

>>3083047
you wanted me to fix the whole damn thing??
i'll be here for hours.
Seriously though, i was there to fix the face and thats it....but yeah the hands are kind of fucked.

>>3081931
Because women are collectivists and are dependent on validation from a group to function.

>>3081931
>"fix it" threads

straight out of the "how to weaponize autism" booklet

>>3082641
I like how you people make up shit. I don't like tumblr either but holy shit stop fucking lying dude.

>>3083203
I'm pretty sure he's just exaggerating but tumblr is kind of like that in some ways... Like you take a white male canon character from a show and they change it to be a not white or -insert not gender conforming- person. Does everyone on tumblr do that, no. Are there people on there who do that, YES.

>>3083279
I doubt anyone does it because they're tumblr. People just like to imagine characters in different ways that fit them. It's like drawing a character you love in your own style, but in this case your race. I don't think there's any ill-intent. People just like to re-imagine things. That's what makes art fun.

Where's the fun in drawing the exact same character in the exact same style as the artist?

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>>3083285
i guess it because some of those intent tend to be towards their politics.
I used to be interested in different ideas but its people like this who ruins everyone fun.
When people want it to be canon so bad that they'll yell at the fans and the writers.
I don't believe that people who draw like this are all like this.

>>3083298
Tumblr is a huge sit-

>I don't believe that people who draw like this are all like this.

Oh.

Well said.

>>3082645
Anime + Cartoons = People who liked anime but still want to draw so you get 'tumblr' art.

its really really easy

>>3082782
cal arts always gets blamed for stuff, but did they really cause it? why is the crappy disneyesque style taught so much?

>>3083413
why do they teach disney stuff at the disney school? hmm

>>3082009
I remember back in 2007 or something I was into red nose because I visited conceptart and there was this guy who painted awesome and all his characters had red nose but they were super stylized and white.

>>3083442
it makes me hate drawing myself because i actually have a red nose

>>3083442
Ah, It was this guy:
http://www.joaoruas.com/
He moved from red nose as well.
>>3083443
It's not just the nose but the cheeks, shoulders, elbows, knees, and fingertips.

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>>3083448
everyones fingertips are red

>>3083285
I know what you're saying. I'm acknowledging your point of view, certainly. But take any character who isn't already white or male, but especially white, and make them that way and watch the sparks fly. It's a huge double standard they have going on.

>>3083522
I don't think anyone gets legitimately mad over a character turning white. I've seen it a few times when major characters in a movie or something is changed but not for something small like a fan's reimagining.

>>3083535
Let me clarify that I meant people don't get mad if you're a fan doing a reimagining, not when a legitimate character's race is changed. Atleast not from what I've seen.

>>3083285
What the fuck are you tumblrcunts doing on /ic/? What on earth has caused this massive influx of trash over the past year?

>>3083043
Looks so much better this way.

>>3083542
Tumblr is ass though. Fuck me for not blindly agreeing with all the bullshit people post here I guess?

>"You're supposed to blindly take everything everyone says as fact otherwise you're a tumblrina! xd"

The fuck is up with that retarded mentality here? I'm starting to think this board is 99% full of literal retards.

>>3083522
i remember the stevel universe whitify blog. i think co or pol made it. after a while of abuse the creator said they were trans black or something and everyone started apologising

>>3083542
tumblr spills into co a lot and natural progression is to the art based boards

>>3083536
You really are fucking retarded.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/zamii070-harassment-controversy
https://mic.com/articles/175269/overwatch-police-officer-d-va-skin-inspires-fan-art-debate-over-cop-brutality
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/07/29/dream-daddy-fan-art-sparks-the-summers-dumbest-outrage/#453bb40620ee

Outrage is all these animals have.

>>3083548
Or you could try not to be an ignorant cunt and pretend that the culture surrounding the fanart that we're discussing isn't 100% politicized.

>>3083552
>police-officer-d-va-skin-inspires-fan-art-debate-over-cop-brutality
This new generation is fucked beyond redemption.

>>3083552
OH BOY YOU LINKED 3 EXAMPLES THAT LITERALLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND. Congrats!!!

>>3083552
this is mentally ill people gaining mainstream media attention, not actual criticism. plus its just the parroted voice of one person. this reminds me of that guy was (iirc) imprisoned for painting a named girl

>>3083556
I never said it wasn't politicized you fucking dolt. 100% is a strong number. But I forgot I'm talking to retards that thing everything is absolute.

>>3082645
Phobs, Loish and Claire Keane got popular at the same time as Tumblr banned pro-ana/mia blogs and became a safe space for pros and students to post art.
The current crop of tumblr artists are the bastard sons of these influences and mixed the worse aspects of each into that horrid shit in OP because of body possitivity peer pressure.

Tumblr has always been a cult, it's just that it used to be a cult to self-harm before becoming SJW central.

>>3083558
Yeah, I suppose tens of thousands of people who belong to the exact fandom communities we're talking about don't represent anyone at all, right?
And yes, it does mention everything from "race-lifting", outrage over changing genders, fat shaming, transphobia, etc.

>>3083285
>It's like drawing a character you love in your own style, but in this case your race.
99.9% of people who racebend/genderbend characters are white women.

>>3083561
So you have the memory of a goldfish huh? You specifically defended a culture that does this largely as a result of politics, and claimed that they were just doing it for fun, because depicting a character as it was originally intended was boring.

>>3083569
Claiming that it's all politics is a lie. I wasn't saying that they all don't for it for politics. I was making a point that not every thing that has to do with changing a character is politic related on tumblr. You've posted like one picture os someone using it for politics and now it's a fact?

>>3083579
EVERYTHING has to do with politics right now. This generation lives for the purpose of virtue signaling.

>>3083567
I know it's a hyperbole but this was literally pulled out of your ass.

>>3083582
Isn't that every 'fact' written on this board?

>>3083580
Someone wanting to draw a character to look like them is politics? I get that there are those that do this and we can all agree that they're idiots but you're a fucking idiot yourself if you think literally every re-imagined character is done for politics and not for the fun of it.

>>3083586
On Tumblr? Holy shit yes. There's always a layer of #fatacceptance #lgbtqq every time a character is redrawn, and black artists double down on identity every single time they can to get more views. Here's what it feels like to be a #black animator, someone said something absolutely harmless that I can interpret as vaguely racist OMG TRIGGERED. It's pretty insufferable.

>>3083579
Almost no one did that shit before it became a political issue, so for all intents and purposes, it's political. It's a direct result of the current political climate and the recent influx of radical leftism.

>>3083566
Do you even know what the argument was about? We're talking about random fans making their own versions of a character, not. These contreversies have nothing to do at all with this topic.

You're using a strawman. The attempt is so transparent. We're talking about a specific topic but you try to swerve the topic into something completely different so that it's easier for you to argue.

No one is denything that people on tumblr are retarded.

>>3083593
So now you're just straight up lying? You were specifically talking about race. It's mentioned multiple times in your posts. You even said that people wouldn't get upset if they changed the race of a character to white, which is an absolutely insane thing to say, unless you've been living in a cave for the past 10 years.

What's wrong with you?

>>3083592
What the fuck is with everyone here dealing with absolutes? You see terrible attempts at being political with characters and now literally every character someone draws different for the fun of it is attempting to be political?

>>3083601
>every character someone draws different for the fun of it

>fun
>on Tumblr

>>3083594
I don't remember saying that I wasn't specifically talking about race. You're trying to make it seem like I'm going back on that when that's not the case at all. I'm not saying you're wrong but I would enjoy it if you give me some examples. Again, I don't give a fuck about tumblr but I'm tired of retards taking everything said here as 100% truth without even bothering to question anyone on ridiculous claims.

>>3083601
The whole culture was created and exists as a direct result of politics. If someone does this for fun, without politics being involved, it's exceedingly rare and entirely incidental.

It's like saying people make nazi propaganda for fun. That may be the case, but it's still motivated by politics.

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Idk diversity.
But for some reason they make characters black and fat for no apparent reason too.

Saw a picture of Persona 5 girls, all were fat, stumpy and one was black when all are Japanese (bar 1 who is part American) and have healthy bodies.

Also I found this shit. Didnt realise Deku did a reverse Michael Jackson. Same with his buddy. Also :^( face too.

>>3083606
I keep blaming Wet Moon.

>>3083606
These people need to die.

>>3083605
[Citation needed for this asspull of a 'fact']

>comparing tumblr to literal nazis

Jesus christ. What type of mental gymnastics do you have to do to even legitimately think this.
Yeah fuck Tumblr but fuck people stupid enough to legitimately think this shit. No way someone can be this retarded unironically.

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>>3083448
red shoulders/elbows/knees/feet> red noses

>>3083609
>comparing tumblr to literal nazis
Well, it is unfair to the nazis, so I'll concede that. Sorry nazis. Didn't mean to compare you to tumblr. That's just too low.

Also, I'm starting to realize that you are quite literally insane, or possibly just the most ignorant person on the planet.

How the fuck is it possible to now know that this is motivated by politics? Did you just get an internet connection, or are you just so young that you don't know any better because this is the only culture you know?
Seriously, how old are you?

>>3083609
You don't even visit the site aside from hearing about it here. How the hell do you know what's rare and what's not. The asspulls can't get anymore worse. Like I get it. They're political but to go as far as saying that things like non-political art doesn't exist when you don't even browse the site is complete bullshit.

Say you did use the site, there's no fucking way you've seen enough content to make that outlandish claim.

That's what I love about this place. You can make stupid baseless claims and it's passed off as fact with no question because you have a bunch of 'CUL ANTI-SJWs' circlejerking about it like faggots without a single thought.

Browse a hundred percent of the site then get back to me. Oh, wait.

>>3083614
I'm on Tumblr, my blog is completely devoid of politics and I still get a majority of followers that are polyromantic trigenders and tag all sorts of shit with political tags, and reblog long-winded SJW shit.

Of course Tumblr is gigantic and has a lot more photography than art, but if you look at the art side of the website, the amount of gender politics and related garbage is overwhelming, and blogs that double down on muh lgbtbbq rights get a crapton of positive response. I'm liberal and I find it insufferable, denying that it's a reality is delusional.

>>3083607
No clue what that is, although I'm a tumblr fag.
Not retarded though.
>>3083608
Eeeyup, site is full of retards.

>>3083620
You expect me to take an anecdote of a guy with 3 followers?

So the art side is just one definable group? I get that you guys like to generalize a lot but words are not going to cut it. What the fuck do your words alone matter? You can't just sway me by claiming shit you don't have proof of.

Now, again, I'm not saying that bullshit isn't rampant, for the last fucking time. It's literally the only reason I despise tumblr.


Challenge: Show me 100% of the art community and then I'll agree with you.

For now I'm not taking something a person on an anonymous board says as fact.

Calling me delusional for not blindly agreeing with everything you guys say. Almost everything in this argument is based on assumption and nothing with any clear proof. It's almost impossible to measure any of your claims out and prove them, which is what makes me skeptical.

I don't love tumblr and I'm not defending it. I was just stating that not 100% of it's userbase is exactly alike as people seem to think. The art porn side of tumblr doesn't seem to have any political influence, so why exactly is that the case for anyone else? Yes the site is political, I understand. I don't know why I have to constantly remind you guys that my argument is not that they aren't political. It's that it's not 100% and I guess I can say you agree but then you go onto extremes by claiming the art side is like that. Sure, it is, but my fucking problem is the retards claiming that ALL art blogs are like that. You're clearly not one of those blogs that do that so why the fuck would you be the only special snowflake?

Why would the photography be the only part of tumblr that isn't like that. It's unlikely that every single art blog is political.

>>3083636
Are you mentally ill?

>>3083638
>No argument
>"ArE YoU MeNTaLy El"

>>3083641
Your entire posts consists of nothing but strawmen, while demanding proof of things that can't be proven.
Asking to see 100% of blogs before you'll believe something, is like denying that there are 1.379 billion Chinese people, unless you personally count them all.
Also, no one has said that all tumblr art blogs are based on politics. The argument that was made was that the people who change white, straight characters to be fat, black transsexual are motivated by politics and belong to the same far-left identity politics community. To deny this is as insane as to deny that /pol/ is far-right, just because you'll find a handful of people who aren't far right on /pol/.

You seriously argue like you're schizophrenic.

>>3083641
>reddit/ facebook memes
leave

>>3083638
Joking aside, what makes you think I'm mentally ill. I'm genuinely curious. I've been asked that sometime before. Is it my sentence structure? I've been thinking of getting checked out. I'm geniunely scared that I might turn out to be as retarded as you guys.

>>3083646
Mostly I just think you're a woman, but that's the same thing.

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I've been lurking here since 2014 and I've only seen two people who draw better than tumblr can. We should all shut the fuck up and spend more time working until we can grind every other artist into the dust, rather than cherrypicking bad artists that we might have a chance of outracing. And I say 'outracing' because art is a fucking race, they are always better artists than us out there and worse artists out there and if you spend too much time focussing on who you might beat all the good artists who will stamp your fucking face into the dust.

So what if a retard only spends one hour a day studying? There'd be at least 500 people spending ten hours a day studying, maybe staying up to 2 AM each night getting good.

There was a girl in my class at the age of 12 who could paint realism better than 99% of /ic/, she'd probably started started art school at the age of four years old.

You know why asians draw better than westerners? It's because they have a fucking sense of discipline rather than letting their children laze around on their fucking butts all day. Asian children git gud fast when their parents hit them on the hands with a ruler or withhold food until the children stop being lazy fucks. They start national examinations at the age of three years old and if they don't make the required school progress they will be sent to a school for special needs (for mentally disabled retards).

You want to git gud? Stop being content with being the 5 millionth best artist in the world and comparing yourself to literal shit artists and measure yourself up to good artists.

Fact of the matter is, you are all fucking shit artists who are never going to make it.

Can't get commissions? You're worthless.

Can't draw better than a literal 12 year old? You're worthless.

Not drawing enough per day? You're worthless.

Need to resort to OH TUMBLR IS FULL OF SJWs to cover the fact that you suck at art and never going to make it? You are a sloth who is never going to make it.

>>3083644
Do I really argue like I'm schizophrenic? How does that work?

I've had people claim that they thought I was schizophrenic online before. Argument aside I'm starting to think there's really something wrong with me.

>>3083650
Do you think I should get a checkup with a doctor?

>>3083650
I agree with me.

>>3083653
Is that what I'm doing?

>>3083653
What exactly is arguing like I'm schizophrenic? Mind explaining?

>>3083657
You know we complain about certain types of people showing up on 4chan? This is why.
If you're this easily rattled, you probably shouldn't post on a site that revels in misery and hatred. Blatant trolls aside, we actually enjoy having it like this. It's male banter taken to an extreme.

You people are very easy to pick out, because you're excessively polite, sensitive to normie shit and generally don't behave like most people on 4chan. Anyone who's posted on 4chan for any length of time, falls into the same mindset. People still have their own opinions, but there are certain behaviors and certain ideologies that most people subconsciously follow, which makes it easy to pick out outsider and shills, despite the anonymous nature of this board.

And no, there's probably nothing wrong with you, aside from being particularly self-conscious. That is, assuming you're a girl. If you're a guy, I'd get checked out.

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>>3083668
>needing a safe hugbox
WE DID IT REDDIT

>>3083636
You are an idiot if you dont see what the other anon is telling you. Not a surprise tho, since you are defending tumblr shit.

>>3083682
>I'm illiterate
Good for you.

>>3083668
Pft. I didn't think I was schizophrenic for second, haha... I was only pretending. Yep.

Haha, tricked you retards... Yep...

But nah, I'm not any of those things. I was just curious as to how a schizophrenic person types so that I could avoid doing it.

It was quite naiive of me to actually take anything that was said seriously. But I can assure you that I'm anything but excessively polite, nor am I easily rattled.

If someone retard on 4chan were to call me schizophrenic I would not give one shit. It's only when several people previously had assumed so, that I would actually be curious about what exactly made me come off as schizophrenic.

>>3083688
Are you mentally ill?

>>3083686
I don't even like tumblr. Nor am I defending it.

>>3083693
Joking aside, what makes you think I'm mentally ill. I'm genuinely curious. I've been asked that sometime before. Is it my sentence structure? I've been thinking of getting checked out. I'm geniunely scared that I might turn out to be as retarded as you guys.

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>>3083606
Found the image of the Persona girls.

Apparently this is "fixing the unrealistic looking females".

>>3083702
You seriously argue like you're schizophrenic.

>>3083703
I'm glad I'm not American if that's considered realistic over there.

>>3083704
What exactly is arguing like I'm schizophrenic? Mind explaining?

>>3083706
Not him but can you stop shitting up the thread with your retarded posts? This is about tumblr style like >>3083703 which does exist and it is what tumblr artists are know for. I do not care about your mentally ill ass.

>>3083706
I'm going to rape you.

>>3083709

Sorry retard. Yeah that style's pretty bad.

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>>3083705
It's realistic.
They're just retardedly obese for 15 - 17 year olds.
>>3083709
Like fuck this art gets to me man.
I started uploading my art but shit I don't wanna go for noses like this.
Didn't realise Nosepass was a rolemodel now.

>>3083717
Sure, tell me your address and credit card number.

>>3083721
What pains me is that the details such as the pose or clothes are competently drawn. It's a deliberate choice, good grief...

>>3083721
I wonder if the artist knows their shit is used as a bad art meme.

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>>3083729
Yeah, which sucks to be honest.
>>3083732
Probably, but it's like the same with most Tumblr artists though, like this Kill la Kill piece that's on another thread.

>>3083721
It unironically looks better to me than the reference, lol

you weebs just hate everything that isn't endlessly the same lolimoe shit over and over

>>3083737
why the hair
why the hairy legs
why

reminder that it's supposed to represent Kill la Kill

>>3083738
I think it's more about the noses than anything. I can slightly see the appeal to it but it's way too much. They really need to tone that shit down. I'm sure if they made a ffew tweaks they won't be as bad.

>>3083738
Tbh I do like the redrawn version, it's a lot more lively than the actual screenshot. It's the fucking noses that get to me.
Their style is really cool and you can tell that there's a lot of expression going on in it.
Their line-art is scruffy but the colours are clean and it works well.

Also I hate lolimoe shit, it's fucking cancer to look at. I prefer realistic looking styles than fuck-dolls.
>>3083745 gets it.
>>3083739
I dunno, I'm all for women being shown as strong and stuff and Kill la Kill was pretty cool, but I just don't really get why this feels the need to be "strong ladies".

>>3083751
You need to kill yourself.

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>>3083753
>Has opinion.
>Kill yourself.
Do better please.

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>>3083745
quick fix, like 2 minutes

it's the excessive amount of lines, but it's intentional. Like having "anime" noses is too cute so they have to tone it down and draw those big hook noses to compensate

>>3083757
No, seriously.
You have to be mentally ill to defend something like that.

>>3083758
Still looks like complete shit. Like the teeth that seem to be going vertically through the skull, the massive monkey ears and the eyes that don't line up on the character to the right.

>>3083762
Why though? Just because I like some aspects of their style?
Yeah, their style could be a lot better and they should focus on working on anatomy and know how a fucking human works, along with many other things that they could learn or study, but oh well.

>>3083766
Yeah it's fairly unappealing even if you take out the noses. Features are too large, I had to resize the mouth on the left figure. It's a mess.

>>3083771
He's confusing you with me. I think he's mentally ill.

>>3083774
Ohh, were you the edit anon?
At least you tried fixing it. Your noses don't look like vacuum cleaners at least.

>>3083778
No I'm not him but yeah it looks a million times better. Only other thing that bothers me is those damn blushes.

>>3083780
Oh hey another anon.
Yeah, the blushes are annoying too. Too high up, should be lower, more onto the cheek/sides of the face.

>>3083771
When you're defending memes which are used to represent the very epitome of bad tumblr art, you seriously need to reconsider your life.

>>3083783
>defending
>personal opinion
>mentions areas that do need fucking work.
Anon, do you have a brain?

>>3083791
>deflecting this hard
Are you schizophrenic?

>>3083793
>Using mental illnesses as an insult
Are you a doctor or are you diagnosing with help off the internet?

>>3083795
I'm a doctorb. Most of my patients called my Doctorb Dick.
The b is for bargain.

>>3083796
Ah ok, at least you got a job.

>>3083452
Different anon but this is true. I think it just gets over exaggerated in a lot of styles. Seems silly to pull attention to the different colour of fingertips and such but have everything else a flat colour.

>>3083285


If it were as innocent as you are making it out to be, we wouldn't get people complaining about lack of racial diversity in the character creation screen of RPGs. I'm pretty sure it's more along the lines of
>I can't identify with a character if they don't have the same skincolor/ sexual orientation/ political affiliation I do
, which is the definition of shallow and narrow-minded.

And I don't mind diversity. The problem is solely the fucked up political attitude the people who seem to think that it's the most important thing in the world have.

>>3083805
It's doubly ironic when you consider the fact that literally all heroes in entertainment hold mainstream left-wing views, while there are basically zero conservatives or white nationalists, which they claim to be the norm.

The media is 100% on their side, yet they still have the gall to whine about oppression.

>>3083805
What's wrong with being able to identify with a character?

I'm not making them out to be innocent. I was just mentioning that not every one who re-imagines a character has a political intention.

>>3083808
So pretty much

>Someone's not dumb enough to have a nazi character potrayed as a good guy in their television show so the liberals win and don't need to complain

I agree that there's no need to complain but what a stupid fucking example.

>>3083808
It's unrelated but as an animal rights fag I really, really hate it when vegans / vegetarians are bundled with the SJWs. Say what you will about the cause but the issue they address is a reality (animals being tortured) and all they promote is changing one's diet. The extremists are rare and most of the time some poe's law shit that gets weaponized regularly against the whole cause.

But even if they're getting shit on in 99% cases I always see them associated with these nazis who without fail NEVER address animal rights because quitting to stuff their face with burgers is way more work than tweeting passive aggressive shit over the latest Overwatch skin. It's fucking annoying.

>>3083814
You really don't know how to argue, do you? You sound like a complete psycho, and always rely on extremes.

Anyway, you can stop pretending you're not one of these tumblrfreaks who draws fat, black trannies.

>>3083818
>You can group these people up but don't group up the people I'm apart of

Vegans are terrible

>>3083819
Why would I need to pretend? What do I have to proof to you guys?

What makes you think I'm apart of tumblr? It's actually quite the opposite. I think there are a few misunderstanding here that I should clear up.

>>3083823
>Liking animals and vowing not to use them as goods is terrible
Whatever, it doesn't matter, what I'm saying is that - as you've shown - vegans get shit on by everyone yet they're associated with the SJW movement who's flat out bullying everything and everyone into obeying their retarded standards.

>>3083829
Extremists are rare my ass. The same can be said about SJW's. It's simply not true. Some of the biggest people who are on youtube that are vegans Are extremists.

> vegans get shit on by everyone yet they're associated with the SJW movement who's flat out bullying everything and everyone into obeying their retarded standards.

Ironic, since the whole point of being vegan is to stop eating animals. Those people in turn want to force others to stop eating animals. I'd rather not have a vegan constantly nagging me about not eating animals. You're an SJW.

Why would vegans be left out?

>>3083811
I'm saying that unless you're a bigoted piece of shit you should be able to identify with a character based on their characterization, and your race and sexual orientation should not be your primary defining characteristics when deciding which character to play in an RPG.

To be honest, I think that if someone's favourite characters are all obvious self-inserts for one of the "groups" they belong to, it probably means they're narcissistic, but too boring to be in love with themselves, which leaves them only the option of substituting the accomplishments of that group for their own.

>>3083818
To be fair, the animal rights fags are insane. The best example of this is to simply look at their organizations, like PETA. Most of them consist of extremists. If the majority were normal people, then they should have normal people to represent them.

Also, while I'm not a vegetarian, I do care about animal rights. But the activists and most people involved in that shit are fucking crazy, and probably do more harm than good.

It's the same with atheism. I'm an atheist in the sense that I'm not religious, but the whole community is filled with horrible people who are every bit as insane as the most zealous creationist. They've also lumped atheism in with left-wing ideology, and they more or less reject conservative atheists, which is essentially discrimination. It's gotten so bad that I've started to defend moderate Christians and Christian traditions from these psychos, who often want to wipe out every last trace of Christianity, as if it played no part in our history or as if the traditions are inherently bad because they're based on religion.

It seems that pretty much any idealistic organization or movement that pushes some ideology ends up being corrupted or outright evil, despite starting out with good intentions. The whole left side of the political spectrum is a prime example. Of course, the bad thing about that is that the reasonable things on the left side get lumped in with the insanity, with the end result that people simply reject their ideology wholesale. I mean, even climate change has started to lose credibility, because it's pushed by insane people like Bill Nye, and corrupt organizations like the IPCC.

It's not a good idea to let the devil be the spokesperson for your views, no matter how good your intentions or ideas are.

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itt: people who have no style of their own except regurgitated craig mullins

wasting time mocking perfectly good art that's not to your tastes won't make your own garbage art or personal lives better

>>3083703
i don't know what this is fanart of, but it's cute enough. i like the one on the left

>>3083721
>>3083738
the original is better, and works better for animation, bc it has better gesture and line sense

compare the green girls. there's a clearer silhouette. the girl's chin and rollneck top form a nice clear outward line, whereas the redraw has the chin and the top complicating it. in the original, the breast, the point of the shot, has a clearer place in the composition cause the shoulder's not in the way. the redraw also breaks in the middle, which means our eyes pause to parse it instead of quickly sliding over it.

in the original the cheek has a nice upwards direction, complemented by the vertical mouth and uptilted nose, in the redraw the cheek line is less dynamic, mouth is sideways halting the gesture, nose points frontwards instead of up. underneath the ear, there's a nice smooth hairline line that cups the head's form, in the redraw it's gone. also the earrings ain't cute

now red girl, in the original her eyes are closer to the bottom of her head, emphasising she's looking at the titty. that's lost in the redraw, although out of context she doesn't look bad

the eyes are also a lot more pinpoint in the redraw, it makes them look less relaxed. i don't know if that is a good or bad thing for the scene, but it's worth mentioning

>>3083834
>>3083842
Vegans are THE butt of the joke in media. Nobody would ever dream of cracking le Ron Swanson jokes about #blacklivesmatter or some shit. People who go MEAT IS MURDER in supermarket aisles are looked down upon by the vast majority of vegs whereas SJW extremists are welcomed to set the bar for taking offense higher and higher. There's no parallel except the presence of a "cause", which would also make, say, all religious people SJWs as well.

>>3083846
I've never met a vegan or vegetarian who wasn't an SJW, and I know a lot as a result of my brother having a lot of contacts in the underground music scene in my town, which invariably consists of lefties.

I mean, it's not exactly a surprise, considering the motivation behind both are predicated on the same personality traits, which is excessive and often misguided empathy.

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>>3083844
It's Persona 5 fan-art.
Pic related is the official art from Shigenori Soejima.

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>>3083844
>i don't know what this is fanart of, but it's cute enough. i like the one on the left

Here's official art of the third character. Not exactly the same proportions.

>>3083850
Maybe it's a thing in America then... I'm European and vegans here are genuinely decent people who volunteer in shelters and genuinely care about animals. I've never started a conversation on this shit unprompted, all I end up with is trying to cut it off when Catholics insist that God made animals for us to be eaten.

>>3083855
And before you say it: yes this was unprompted. On the internet I let a few rants out (I'm not the only one). I was talking about IRL social situations.

>>3083840
>"You're a bigot if you identify with a character because of race or gender"

What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Race is a big huge part of life. If a character you love comes from the same background and race as you, it makes it that much better to relate to their decisions and goals.

Sure you should be able to relate to a character regardless but to deny that race and gender is a big factor is fucking stupid.

>To be honest, I think that if someone's favourite characters are all obvious self-inserts for one of the "groups" they belong to, it probably means they're narcissistic, but too boring to be in love with themselves, which leaves them only the option of substituting the accomplishments of that group for their own.

Look at mister psychology professor over here.

I'm sure the people who identify with characters of the same skin aren't limited to only identifying with skin. The choices the character makes are also a huge part of identifying with a character. Just because a person identifies with skin color doesn't mean they're incapable of identifying with anything else.

>>3083855
>Maybe that's a thing in Europe

>Here SJWs are pretty good people

Suuure sjw

>>3083855
I'm also European, but they're still terrible people over here.

>>3083842
quality post

Even the gender debate has the potential be productive in some aspects - sexuality is culturally constructed at least in the sense that we decide as a society who is supposed to normatively take what role in a relationship after all. Norms and values need to be re-negotiated time and time again to remain credible.

But then you get insane people trying to use that debate to justify their own existence, and it devolves into "this obviously nonsensical made-up category I define myself by is totally real and if you don't accept that you're obviously just a bigot".
It's scary that people aren't weirded out by that. I mean, if you went up to someone and told them you sometimes talk to Archangel Michael they'd know instinctively that there's something wrong with your head, but somehow these new terms allow you to openly spew the same kind of deranged bullshit and demand tolerance.

>>3083862
you gotta say that SJWs pretty much exclusively identify with gender and sexuality. look at any lgbt comic, the characters are completely empty

>>3083866
>>3083865
welp I guess I'm terrible then...

>>3083872
>welp I guess I'm terrible then...

If you're vegan, yes. As bad as the SJW's you're talking about. Both are equally as bad.

>>3083874
Practically yes, but technically I'm vegetarian. I will never get the irrational hatred but I'm used to it so godspeed or whatever

This is the most autistic thread I've ever seen. What the fuck /ic/? What is happening?

>>3083883
I didn't even realize I was in /ic/ holy shit. Crazy how conversations shift until you forget what you were talking about at first.

>>3083886
Well it's a Tumblr thread, it can't help but derail

>>3083862
Race and gender are a part of your personal struggles in society, but they're largely philosophically irrelevant. You identify with a character because of how they think about the world and act in it. Their background changes the kinds of problems they need to face on a surface level, but at its core a characters inner world is way more abstract than that. There's no such thing as a "black people issue" that's impossible to understand for people who don't share their background. So no, "but muh race" is not an argument for or against identifying with a character. What matter is how their inner world is put together.
>Just because a person identifies with skin color doesn't mean they're incapable of identifying with anything else.
Which I why I said that if *all* of someone's favourite characters were obvious self-inserts of their group they were probably a boring narcissist

>>3083868
>sexuality is culturally constructed at least in the sense that we decide as a society who is supposed to normatively take what role in a relationship after all.
To be fair, most of that is biological, but people like to use the exceptions as some kind of rule. If you read studies about biological sex and its connection to personality traits, general behavior and choice of sexual partner, you'll notice that people overwhelmingly act according to their biological sex or traditional stereotypes, even if it goes against their political ideology. This is particularly true for feminists. And no, it's not really a cultural phenomenon, as its observed in every culture on earth.

>It's scary that people aren't weirded out by that.
Most people are if they're confronted by it. The problem is that most people don't know about it or what's getting pushed at universities, by politicians and by the media.

They just hear the superficial story, which sounds benign enough. When they're writing these insanely discriminatory laws that you now have in Canada, people only hear about the somewhat reasonable stuff, like calling a MtF tranny a "she" and laws against openly discriminating against them. They don't know about the underlying culture, the authoritarianism, the anti-free speech laws or about the dozens of pronouns people are now forced to use by law.
They think transsexuals only consist of people who feel they're born in the body of the opposite sex, and want to change that. That's it.

>>3083872
>you gotta say that SJWs pretty much exclusively identify with gender and sexuality.
Well, no. It more or less covers the entire far-left side of the political spectrum.
Race, gender and sexuality are just the ones you hear about most often, but it's essentially an ideology that's based on the idea that white people (men in particular) are oppressors who are only interested in power and that every other group consists of helpless victims.

It's the same kind of thinking that leads to totalitarianism and validates violence and murder, because you dehumanize your enemies to the point where they're seen as nothing but evil oppressors.

>>3083894
Nigga, the way our life is structured nowadays has very little to do with our biological nature. In some societies women only leave their home with their husbands, children exist as insurance for their parents and marriage across social barriers is a complete no-go. The fact that you don't need to feel ashamed if your wife joins into a conversation you're having with your friends is purely cultural. It's the result of a shift of values, from a culture of honor where social standing is everything to one of liberty and self-determination where the very act of worrying too much about your image is seen as weakness. That doesn't mean our way of life is arbitrary, but it's not some emergent property of our biology either.

>>3083890
>Race and gender are a part of your personal struggles in society, but they're largely philosophically irrelevant.

The use of the word philosophically is philisophically misused.

>Race and gender are a big factor in life but if you identify with race and gender you're a bigot

>Race and gender are apart of your personal struggles in society but being able to identify with someone who has had similar struggles is irrelevant

Dude, as I said before, background plays a large role in identifying. You identify with someone because you're like them. Your identity is literally defined by your race. The key word to identify is IDENTITY and race is probably the biggest part of your identity,especially in this society.


Maybe that person is boring so they identify with them being boring, I have no idea.

Yes I'm agreeing that you can identify with someone outside of your race and that happens a lot. I don't know where you're getting 'sjws literally only identify with people cuz theyre black or gay'. Being SJW means you suddenly lose all ability to choose a character you like? You think they go out of their way to like a character they don't like because they're a girl or something? Not because they like them? Is it completely impossible to like something because you like it and not because you have some political agenda?

SJWs are cunts and all but they're still people who enjoy good characters as much as the rest of us. And if they happen to enjoy a character that you find to be boring that happens to be a certain color, maybe they actually like that character and are not going out of their way to like boring characters to prove a point?

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>>3083907
>race is probably the biggest part of your identity,especially in this society.
>this is what tumblrfags actually believe

>>3083916
that's what people who aren't white know for a fact

..hey hey..you know what it's called when your race doesn't matter? white privilege

>>3083916
>TIL racism doesn't exist

>>3083904
I'm talking about the broad strokes. Women still make traditional choices, and the freer and more equal a society is, the more likely women are to choose to make traditional choices, because they're free to pursue what they genuinely want. Scandinavia is a prime example.

>Nigga, the way our life is structured nowadays has very little to do with our biological nature.
Yes, the structure is fucked up and in the process of destroying western society. Birthrates have plummeted, STD are running rampant, career women in their 30s and 40s are having mental breakdowns because they missed out on having a family, slutty women struggle to create meaningful bonds with their partners because of too many sexual encounters, and our society is more divided than ever before.

Despite this, biology still reigns supreme, and most men and women make traditional choices when it comes to partners, careers and general life choices. That's why men still earn more money, dominate STEM and choose entirely different careers than women. Women, despite their freedom to do whatever they want, overwhelmingly choose careers that deal with people, as a sort of surrogacy for motherhood.
This is also part of the root cause of this whole SJW mess.

I could go into far more depth, but this isn't really the time or place for that.

>>3083916
>being followed just for walking in a store isn't part of everday life
>people eyeing you thinking you're going to steal their car isn't everyday life
> people locking their door when you walk past isn't everyday life
I understand being street smart, but seriously. I'm a fucking manlet what the fuck do you think I'm going to do

>>3083924
God I know I wasn't the only one experiencing this type of shit but it feels good to see someone talking about it happening to them. It happens way too much.

>>3083916
It actually does. It's why immigration is such a problem. If you don't look like the majority, you'll refuse to integrate and end up creating a state within the state.

Look at the black and Hispanic communities in the US. They're incredibly destructive and they have very little in common with real Americans.

>>3083918
Then move to a country where your race is the majority. Are you going to call asians "yellow provileged" when they live in asian countries? Fuck off.

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>>3083935
>"IF YOU DON'T LIKE US TREATING YOU LIKE SHIT IN A COUNTRY WE BROUGHT YOU IN YOU CAN FUCK OFF"

>>3083924
Well yes. That's what happens when you belong to a race with a disproportionate amount of criminals.

I mean, look at blacks in the US. More than a third of all black men end up in jail at some point in their life, versus 4% of white men. It's not racist to take precautions based on the actions of a group, particularly if you risk being mugged or murdered.

>>3083922
>>3083918

Nice strawmen/ goal moving post.

>>3083939
Yeah, poor you. All that affirmative action, free shit and special privilege you have to deal with.
A black man who performs at half the capacity of an average white man will have a free ride through Harvard. But no, they're too busy committing half of all the murders instead, and rioting because some black criminal got shot by a cop.

>>3083946
It's almost as if black men are specifically targeted in police stops. Which leads them to be arrested more than white counterparts although whites tend to use more drugs. Crazy how that works.

>>3083918
I've already conceded without so much as an argument that race is a relevant category on the level of social structure. That much is just obviously true. However, your claim that race is the biggest part of our identity (and the fact that you think that it's a bigger factor in our society than in others) is all the information I need to know that you're actually a tumblrite in disguise.

Sure, there's a noticeable divergence in test results depending on how white the name of the person being tested sounds, which isn't pretty, but the primary determining factor is still pretty clearly the quality of your work. Your social identity is first and foremost the result of your character. It's warped to some extent by peoples expectations based on their view of the groups you belong to, but to blow that factor up to the point where you can bring yourself to believe that race is the biggest part of your identity, something that determines how you live is just pure mental gymnastics.

>>3083953
It's almost as if their rampant criminal behavior makes them the logical target, or that selling drugs is considered a worse crime than simply using it.
Also, 12% of the population committing half of all the murders has nothing to do with random police stops. Those are just cold, hard facts.

>>3083952
muh affirtmative action

>If it weren't for this black kid I'd be in harvard

Nice excuse

>>3083932
You're talking about *making* race the primary aspect of your identity, which is obviously something you can do, but that has very little to do with what we were talking about.

>>3083958
Nice strawman.

>>3083953
>>3083952

>Unarmed black man.
>Shot in sight.

>White shooter.
>Caught alive.

>>3083959
Well, no. It's just how the mind works. Group identity is very strongly correlated with skin color.

>>3083961
Seriously? BLM retards in /ic/? Please tell me you're trolling.

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>>3083957
It's almost as if slvery and jim crow laws left them in a position where they either have to sell drugs to make a living or die starving. I know you guys are sheltered so you know nothing other than statistics although do not account for any complex variables. These children grw up with no fathers and around groups of people who encourage violence. What the fuck do you expect? Your enviornment shapes you.

>>3083967
>anyone who acknowledges biases within society is blm

>>3083968
Jesus Christ, you can't be this retarded. All of the environmental bullshit has been debunked.
Blacks behave in exactly the same way in Europe, even in countries where they've never been oppressed or enslaved. Every study shows that environment is only a factor within ethnic groups, not between them. The poorest whites get better SAT scores and have lower crime rates than the wealthiest blacks. Adoption studies show that blacks who have been raised in upper class white families behave in the same way and perform just as poorly as the ones raised by their biological parents.
Even Hispanics have considerably lower crime rates than blacks, despite being poorer. In addition to that, they often don't speak the language and don't have the same rights as blacks, particularly if they're illegals.

>>3083980
Cite dem sources

>>3083952
>he thinks affirmative action is handed out to everybody
scores, number of applicants and how well you did in school have bigger roles in determining who gets where. We don't have free choice of whatever school we want

This thread is depressing.

>>3083971
Retards who base their views on hysteria and biased headlines sure as hell sound like BLM.

If a black man physically assaults a cop, then he can expect to be shot.
If a white guy shoots a bunch of people but puts down his gun when the cops show up, he's not going to get shot, because he's not an immediate threat.

Also, you're ignoring the hundreds of cases that never make the news.

The only bias in society is anti-white, something you'd know if you'd ever turned on the TV.

>>3083968
The problem you're describing isn't racism, but social problems passed down through the generations. It would be a good idea to help people rebuild their communities, but you also have to deal with the immediate problems, even if it means that innocent people are inconvenienced by it.

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>>3083980

Man, this thread devolved to shit pretty fast

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>>3083984
If you're black, you can be a halfwit and still get into medical school.

Also, there are sites that calculate your chance of getting into various Icy League schools. They have a drop down menu where you choose your race, and the acceptance rate skyrockets if you choose black.

White people who think they're being systematically oppressed are some of the dumbest mother fuckers around.

>>3083993
So we agree.

>>3083996
Yeah, facts sure are stupid.
Being denied entry into college or denied a job because of your skin color sure doesn't count as systematic oppression. Or being painted as the villain in all forms of media.

>>3083986
>>3083996
Sounds more like God just decided to BoP all the races

>>3083996
We're all being systematically oppressed, by the rich elites

Divide and conquer is one of the oldest tricks in the book

>>3084004
Fuck off, Marxist scum.

>>3083980
>The poorest whites get better SAT scores and have lower crime rates than the wealthiest blacks

Ah, that was a reference to Jontron. You were trolling. I see. Good job, you really did get me lmao.

>implying concept artists arent slave to trends just as much

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>>3084008
>durr hurr

>>3084004
No doubt. I'm sure most educated people would agree with that.

I thought it was clear that I was talking about white people being systematically oppressed simply because they are white.

>>3084007
>implying I'm a commie

Communism will never work but you're blind if you don't see the systems of control we face in our every day life. And no, I'm not an anarchist or a socialist either

>>3084015
Oh, so you're actually retarded. Mind stating and actual source instead of a picture?

>>3084016
>I thought it was clear that I was talking about white people being systematically oppressed simply because they are white.
They are. That's an objective fact, and not just some vague accusation based on imaginary racism.

Being refused entry into college or a job based on your skin color is the purest form of systematical discrimination you can get.

>>3084015
You do realize this is an 18 year ols source. This is just the old source literally painted a different color, lmao.

>>3084018
I find it amusing that none of you morons have put any research into this. If you had, you would know everything I'm saying.
But instead, you just believe whatever propaganda you want to believe, because it's more comfortable.

I mean, there are dozens of studies that cover this, and they all show the same results. It's also replicated in other countries, for example in Europe.

>>3084029
And yet you can't state a source each time I ask? I'm not wasting my time searching up the bullshit you claim. If you have the evidence you back it up. Don't claim stuff and then expect me to look it up. You said it, not me.

>>3084027
What does that have to do with anything?

>>3084021
>>3084002

>Being refused entry into college or a job

[citation needed]

>painted as the villain in all forms of media

Since 2012 on CNN?

Dude I hate social justice but stop acting like the victim.

>>3084015
Correlation =/= causation. Racist always take away the laziest and wrong conclusions from shit like this. Black people's scores aren't lower just because they are black.

>>3084031
Why don't you do the same, you dumb fuck?
Oh right, you can't. Because it's all based on emotional hysteria.

The image above is from The College Board. I'm guessing you're too much of a retard to know what that is, but it's the organization that oversees the SATs. So it's right from the source.

For the adoption study, look up the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.

For crime stats, look up FBI's official stats.

As for affirmative action... well, if you're stupid enough to deny a government-mandated program to favor minorities over whites, then there's really no hope for you.

>>3084036
>[citation needed]
Are you retarded? Affirmative action is official US policy. How can you even pretend that you have anything to contribute if you don't even know about this?

>>3084044
Who the fuck is denying affirmative action. The fact that you think affirmative action applies to literally every black person is what makes you fucking retarded.

>>3084040
>Racist always take away the laziest and wrong conclusions from shit like this.
Right. I mean "blame white people" isn't lazy at all, right? No, you really had to think that one through.

>>3084047
>The fact that you think affirmative action applies to literally every black person is what makes you fucking retarded.
First of all, when did I say that?
Second, it applies to any black person who gets a high enough score to apply to certain colleges, and that score is considerably lower than for a white person. It also applies to thousands of different places of employment, where the HR department are instructed to maintain racial quotas.
Most black people who attend Ivy League colleges today would never be admitted if they were competing on equal grounds.

>>3084044
You're using numbers to prove your point. Numbers don't account for anything other than absolutes. They don't account for things such as this

http://www.nature.com/news/poverty-shrinks-brains-from-birth-1.17227?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/268066.php

https://apa.org/pi/families/resources/newsletter/2012/07/neurocognitive-impacts.aspx

And many other factors such as peer pressure.

>>3084033
>18 years time is nothing
Ah ha! But In the 1800's all blacks were slaves! Uneducated niggers!

Are asians better at art than other races?

>>3084059
Yes, they do have higher IQs than everyone

>>3084049
There is a difference between "Blame black people for black" and "Blame white people for the oppression of black people".

I know you probably don't want to acknowledge that systemic and institutional racism is a thing, but you have to understand that it does exists in the form of policies and societal standards that disproportionally affect non-whites (talking about the USA here). These exist because of policies voted on by white politicians (most politicians in America are white) , hence you hearing "blame white people".

>>3084059
They're talking about blacks being inferior to whites but lets talk about asians being superior to whites.

>>3084059
yes, in asian culture dunning-kruger is opposite, so they don't rest on their laurels until they have laurels to rest on

>>3084055
Except nutrition isn't a problem among black people who earn $200k a year, or even among poor blacks in the western world. As far as food is concerned, we live in a post-scarcity society.
Furthermore, dirt poor farmers in China who are on the verge of starving, score 15-20 points higher on IQ tests than blacks.
Also, peer pressure?

Again, numbers are what counts. Fact is, you have absolutely no interest in finding out the truth. You have a set of beliefs, and no amount of facts or proof would ever do anything to change that. You'll believe what you want to believe, and use any excuse you can think of to confirm that.

>>3084066
We need to just give up man. Systematic and institutional racism don't real. Affirmative Action is only here to hurt da white man. Nothing is real except for my stutistucs

>>3084059
Yes, East Asians are trully the master race

>>3084066
>I know you probably don't want to acknowledge that systemic and institutional racism is a thing
They don't. Well, they do, but as I've already demonstrated, they're only directed at white people.
Minorities have massive privileges over whites across the board. Affirmative action, race based scholarships, the media always being on their side.
You can repeat your bullshit as often as you like, but it's simply not true. It's always "blame white people", despite white people having sacrificed their own people to try to help minorities out of the gutter.

>>3084079
Being white is so HAAAAAAAAAAARD

>>3084073
Yeah, I can see I'm dealing with SJWs here. Facts and statistics don't count for anything.
Only vague accusations of racism and "systemic oppression", with absolutely nothing to back it up.

>>3084053
>it applies to any black person who gets a high enough score to apply to certain colleges
>that score is considerably lower than for a white person
wat
How can you get a high enough score, but also not at the same time?

>>3084085
Are you retarded?

The score requirements are significantly lower for blacks. Look at the chart for acceptance rates in medical school further up.
8% of whites with a GPA of 3.20-3.39 get in, versus 56.4% of blacks.

>>3084082
>facts and statistics are racist!

>>3084093
They're not. You are.

>>3084095
Yeah, telling the objective truth sure makes me a racist.

>>3084097
>I'm not racist I'm a race realist

Uh, congrats?

>the arguments in this thread

The only aesthetic problem I see with tumblr noses is that they don't have a connection into the browridge. It's kind of a little blob that juts out of the middle of the face. Another problem is that they always have the same shape to them.

Also with tumblr artists, they can never seem to appropriately depict rimlighting.

But all of this aside, how is this stopping (You) from making art. Why are you letting mediocre artwork get in the way of your productivity?

I'm sure if you showed this artwork to any professional, they would see it as art that has room to grow. They would encourage those who like making art to keep making art, because who wants to see the art community fall apart? However, they wouldn't get caught up in arguing the deeper implications driving the motivations behind nu-age tumblr art, why? Because they're too busy with their own artwork.

Just take a minute to examine different art movements in history. Every time, there were those who praised the artwork, and those who loathed it. Either way, the movement ended and out came new forms of representation. In this age, however, we have many smaller, less influential movements that help define the age we're currently in. Tumblr art is just another tiny avenue that will be dissolved once a new generation of "progressive teenage girls" latch onto a new art style to reflect their ideologies.

Just keep drawing what you like, and find greatness from it. Stop wasting your time and energy on something that most likely doesn't even affect your way of life.

>>3084082
Ahh, the crybaby 'argument', the last resort of a cornered tumblrina.

>>3084079
>>3084102

>White families hold 90% of the national wealth, despite being 63% of the population

>Blacks are 2X as likely to be unemployed

>Black students are 3x more likely than whites to be suspended for the same infractions

>Black men are 3 times more likely to be searched at a traffic stop

>Black men are 6 times more likely to go to jail than a white person.

>Blacks make up 13% of the population, but 40% of the prison population

>If a black person kills a white person, they are twice as likely to receive death sentences as a white person who kills a black person

>Black drivers are 30% more likely to be pulled over

>Black people stay in prison up to 20% longer than white people for the same crime.

And on, and on, and on. There are far more things negatively skewed against people of color in the US than whites. These things you listed - "Affirmative action, race based scholarships, the media always being on their side" are a solution to help combat some of the disadvantages caused by systemic racism. They're not perfect, but they help balance out the obstacles that black people disproportionally face. Do you have a better solution?

>>3084102
There's really no point in arguing. You're not changing my view, I'm not changing your view. These statistics are things I've seen and heard many times before when racists rush to prove how blacks are inferior. Sure statistics are facts but they only account for the end result and not causation. You people fail to understand this. You keep looking at the numbers and correlate it with low intelligence and nothing else. Nothing else can possibly be a factor becuz muh numbers tell da troof. I'm not denything statistics but it's bad nature to post statistics without any knowledge of them other than that it 'proves' your point. The only thing it does is show the end result of slavery and segregation.

To lie and say that these pay no part in this is ridiculous. 'Of course they don't matter because all I care about is the end result and not how it came to be.' If someone even tries to remotely question why your immediate argument is "SOMEONES TRYING TO DENY STATISTICS."

I'm not. I'm just not a braindead retard clinging onto anything to prove that blacks are inferior. You're enslaved for hundreds of years, released, apartheid ended only 63 years ago, not even the span of a human life and you expect the black community to be straight back up on its feet in that span of time?

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>>3084107
Yeah, black people live terrible lives. We're talking about the cause here, and it's not racism or oppression.

Second, half of those "facts" are bullshit, and completely ignore the cause. If you actually dig into the statistics or just use common sense, you'll notice blacks are more likely to be repeat offenders, the circumstances for murder are different and profiling is a direct result of the vastly inflated criminal rates of blacks.

But it sure is fun having our peaceful societies crushed under the weight of angry, uneducated, violent minorities. We're just oppressing you because we enjoy being the victims of violence, fleeing our cities and masturbating to the massive economic burden that comes with large minority populations.

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I can't believe there is a retard who actually fell for the jontron meme

>Rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites

I love when idiots don't look into the bullshit they find. It's the rich black person's children that get arrested more. And that's due to drug possession more than anything. And as we all know, blacks are arrested far more than whites for drug possession although whites tend to have more drugs on hand. Nothing to do with violence and yet people use it as a fact to prove their point when they haven't even looked into the subject itself.

No wonder people ask for sources and they are not given. There are a few things that are bullshit here but they are so small that a retard comes in here, sees people he agrees with and parrots the same shit to someone else when a few of the things said were completely false.

>>3084090
Who gives a shit about medical schools? What about all the other types of school? Engineering schools, Art schools, Technical Schools, Liberal Arts schools. Surely affirmative action itself is not what gets black people into these schools. I think you're misunderstanding how affirmative action works. They don't look at your application, skim for your race and say, "yeah, he's black accept him". Maybe at these unnamed medical colleges you're so obsessed with, who pump out some randoms who at most will do coding or do some checkups. For most schools, they consider your grades, clubs and activities, experiences, SAT and AP scores, nowadays community service and sometimes race. Don't get me wrong, a lot of black people don't like affirmative action. It undermines the 13 years of work you completed in your formative years. Hell I won a scholarship and luckily I have to pay 20 times less what others do, and I wonder if I really earned it or not. Its controversy was also addressed in Bakke vs University of California, where the Supreme court ruled that quotas were impermissible, but race can be considered among the sundry list of other requirements. keep in mind this was 40 years ago, and you still speak of it as if it were some huge issue still ongoing. Sure, it's a talk worth having, but its not putting white people out of school at any sort of alarming rate. At most, a black guy and a white guy who have similar grades and attributes would be subject to affirmative action, and at the same time maybe not. We just don't know..

>>3084110
So. We have numbers and statistics, you have vague accusations of racism.

And one again, you ignore the fact that black people perform poorly even when wealthy. You ignore that black people also do poorly in countries where they've never been oppressed or enslaved, such as in Europe. You ignore the fact that adopted black kids who grew up in wealthy white families perform the same as the ones who grow up with their biological parents. You ignore the fact that their crime rate is significantly higher than Hispanics, who are often poorer, treated worse and often don't speak the language.

>>3084114
>We're talking about the cause here, and it's not racism or oppression.

Pack it up guys. He got us. Those 300 years of oppression and racism during slavery, segregation and Jim Crow laws didn't happen.

>>3084115
>I love when idiots don't look into the bullshit they find. It's the rich black person's children that get arrested more. And that's due to drug possession more than anything.

yes, and?

>>3084115
I love how you faggots just come up with completely random shit to justify your bullshit. Anything to ignore the truth.

The sources have been posted multiple times, but I've seen absolutely nothing from you. You just cite various myths.

>>3084122
Repeat after me. Blacks get caught often due to profiling. Whites don't. Doesn't mean they don't do it. It is even proven that whites possess drugs more often than black folk.

>>3084114
>Yeah, black people live terrible lives. We're talking about the cause here,

Then what is the cause, according to you? As >>3084110 is trying to say (different poster, BTW), no one denies these statistics. Numbers are numbers (assuming the source is legitimate), there's not much arguing them. But you keep posting more and more stats as proof, when they're not. What's the causation?

I offered systematic and institutional racism as a causation for these statistics. What's your causation? That black people are biologically inferior to other races?

>>3084123
Which myth? I'll gladly cite my sources. Not that hard as you seem to make it out to be.

>>3084117
>Who gives a shit about medical schools?
That was just one example.

>Surely affirmative action itself is not what gets black people into these schools.
Yes. Affirmative action is universal.

>They don't look at your application, skim for your race and say, "yeah, he's black accept him".
Yes, that's exactly what they do.

>but its not putting white people out of school at any sort of alarming rate.
Are you insane? White people have been pushed almost completely out of many Ivy League colleges.
I'm astonished at the ignore you're displaying about something that's so well known.

>>3084128
Blacks get caught more often because they commit more crime. And we're talking about a factor of 7 or 8 times, often more, depending on the crime.

>>3084120
>muh racism and slavery
I guess that's why blacks do just as poorly in Europe. But hey, go play the eternal victim.

>>3084132
Why do they commit more crime?

>>3084132
Whites literally do drugs more than black people but get caught less. Does that not tell you anything or are you braindead and unable to put 2 and 2 together?

>>3084129
IQ.
Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 85. And yes, this is openly admitted even by the mainstream, and has been consistent through 100 years of testing.
Of course, sociologists try to come up with all kinds of excuses for reasons why, and keep harping on the same points even after they're debunked.

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>>3084137
It tells me two things.
1. That black people get caught because they're selling drugs, while white people mostly just use them. White people who smoke weed are also more likely to be middle-class, and the cops rarely stop people in middle class neighborhoods, regardless of skin color.

2. Given that drug use is largely self-reported, and black people are extremely paranoid when it comes to government institutions asking them question, they're more likely to lie about their drug use.
I mean, seriously, you think blacks are less likely to use drugs than whites? Come on.

>>3084135
Legitimately can't find anything. I've searched this up multiple times when it was mentioned. Not saying your wrong but can you retards cite a source for once?

>>3084141
Actually, there is universal consensus in the scientific community that IQ tests are the most accurate way to measure general intelligence. If you dismiss IQ, you dismiss the entire field of psychology.

In fact, that bullshit you're spouting, which is commonly reported in the media, got so bad in the 90s that the scientific community made a public statement about the validity of IQ testing.

But hey, don't take my word for it:
http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

Retard.

>>3084143
Nah, totally not because black people are often profiled. Anything but the actual reason.

>2. Given that drug use is largely self-reported, and black people are extremely paranoid when it comes to government institutions asking them question, they're more likely to lie about their drug use.
I mean, seriously, you think blacks are less likely to use drugs than whites? Come on.

>Statistics are complete fact until I think they are wrong. They only have a reason behind them if it makes me look stupid.

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>>3084148
>supports argument with an article from 1994

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>>3084147
Someone posted black crime stats in the UK further up, showing that blacks are overrepresented by a factor of 6.

Also, here's Germany's rape statistics.

>>3084151
Are all of those statistics males? I wouldn't be surprised. Men are literally inherently violent.

>>3084149
>Nah, totally not because black people are often profiled
So, you think black people, who are 12% of the population, commit 50% of the murders because they're profiled?

The crime rate among blacks is so astronomically high that even if you pretending profiling had any impact, it would be negligible. We're not talk about 30% higher crime rates here. We're talking 600-700%.
If you doubled the white crime rate and halved the black crime rate, blacks would still be committing more than twice as many crimes compared to whites.

>Statistics are complete fact until I think they are wrong.
Self-reported statistics are worthless. It's like self-reported IQ or self-reported dick length.

>>3084150
The fact that you think IQ is invalid to begin with speaks volumes about you, and that you've never looked into it. It's quite literally the most accurate predictor of success and the most successful tool the field of psychology ever managed to come up with.

But have you even bothered to look at your own line of reasoning? You're not trying to look at the facts to come to a conclusion. You have a conclusion, then desperately cling to anything that remotely corresponds with your world view, while ignoring everything else.
You're essentially a religious zealot.

>>3084154
No they commit 50% of the murders because they are raised under gang members. If you're raised in an enviornment that is a warzone you are shaped by that and it molds you into who you are. Do you think you'd be the special little snowflake that you are had you grown up in the hood? I bet you do. Most people privledged think so so there's no point in asking.

>Self-reported statistics are worthless. It's like self-reported IQ or self-reported dick length.

All you have to do is look it up. Many of the things said in here are self-reported and yet when someone asks for a citation they are told to look it up themselves. So go ahead, I'm not wasting my time.

>>3084152
> Men are literally inherently violent.
Compared to women, sure.
But Algerian men also rape at 20 times the rate of German men.
But hey, I guess profiling is to blame.

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>>3084161
Except the black crime rate is higher across the board, regardless of background, which has been pointed out countless times.

Also, there are actually more Hispanic gang members in the US than there are black gang members, yet Hispanics have a significantly lower murder rate than blacks. Hispanics are also poorer than blacks, and, as mentioned, often don't speak the language.

>All you have to do is look it up.
I did. As I said, it's self-reported, thus worthless.

>>3084157

>The fact that you think IQ is invalid to begin with speaks volumes about you, and that you've never looked into it. It's quite literally the most accurate predictor of success and the most successful tool the field of psychology ever managed to come up with.

Ironic considering if you look up anything related to IQ being accurate, what you'll find is quite the opposite.
> You have a conclusion, then desperately cling to anything that remotely corresponds with your world view, while ignoring everything else.

You literally posted a pdf of an article from 1994 and I'm the one desperately clinging onto anything that approves of my world view? Are you joking? Someone's projecting.

>>3084170
https://www.google.com/search?q=whites+do+more+drugs+than+blacks&oq=whites+do+more+drugs+than+blacks&aqs=chrome..69i57.6303j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Someone doesn't know how to use google.


Genuine question. Why do you think blacks commit more crime?

>>3084162
Yeah, as I said, men are inherently violent. No need to compare. They're all men so they're all the same.

You guys went really off topic.

>>3084172
>Ironic considering if you look up anything related to IQ being accurate, what you'll find is quite the opposite.
No, you're not.
The only people who try to deny IQ tests, are the ones who are motivated by politics, such as yourself, because they don't like the results they produce.
They've even tried to deny it by making absolutely insane claims about IQ tests being culturally biased, despite the fact that tests like Raven's don't even use words. They're just shapes.

If you're going to try to deny IQ, that just shows how delusional you are and how far you're willing to go to deny reality. You're basically just a religious zealot at this point.

But hey, why don't you listen to Jordan Peterson. He talks about people like you here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCUhES_3-LE

>>3084131
Just for reference, and according to the 2010 US census, the ethnic make up of the US is around 72% Caucasian, including Hispanics (I'm going to assume 9% of the US population is Hispanic, since I see 63% white being thrown around often), 12% African American, including Hispanics, 4% percent Asian, and the remaining 10.2 Native Americans and mixed races. Thus 37 percent of the US are some sort of Minority.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States)
It's also good to generally keep in mind these are just general ideas of races. Most will agree a Russian and an Englishman are somewhat different, but here they are lumped together.
According to
https://www.ivycoach.com/2015-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/
Cornell's demographics claimed 22% of their admissions were non whites, Dartmouth 44%, Harvard (after summing it, assuming there are no overlaps) 43.8%, Princeton, 40.9% and University of Pennsylvania, 44%. Finding the average of these, which would be the average percentage of minorities in Ivy league schools (for what we have anyways) we get 39%, only 2 percent higher than the percentage of minorities in the US! By no means are white people being pushed out of Ivy league colleges when they reflect the population of the United States..

>>3084180
Are you actually retarded, or do you not know what self-reported means?

>Genuine question. Why do you think blacks commit more crime?
If you read the thread, I've already said it's IQ.

>>3084186
"iq only matters to a point, as it has low effect on your ability to perform second-order reasoning. his conclusion about iq predicting success is not well established either, merely a correlation between the two. it could be just as likely that people with successful parents tend to be successful, but also have better childhoods which leads to higher iqs.
i hate it when individualists try to quantify why some people are better than others, and try to justify why they see it as a good thing. it takes their defense of individual rights into a weird 'might makes right' world. the only defense needed for individualism is self-ownership. trying to apologize for the various dice rolls of life and coming up with strange reasons to explain why inequality of result is a desirable outcome muddies the waters."

>>3084189
>Are you actually retarded, or do you not know what self-reported means?

>NUMBERS MEAN SOMETHING UNTIL IT DOESN'T FIT MY AGENDA


>If you read the thread, I've already said it's IQ.

And what exactly does that mean?

I've been at this for too long. I forgot arguing anything on this shitty board won't do anything. Night guys.

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>>3084187
You're not very smart, are you? Whites get much better grades than Hispanics and blacks, so logically speaking, whites should make up a significantly larger proportion of the student body compared to their population. If grades were the deciding factor, universities would be 90% whites and Asians.
Incidentally, the universities that don't practice affirmative action, are also the ones with the fewest non-Asian minorities.

>>3084192
I'm actually stunned by your stupidity.

If you ask 100 people what their IQs are, the results aren't going to be accurate, because they're self-reported.

If you test the IQs of 100 people, the results are going to be accurate, because you're getting the actual results.

How is this difficult to comprehend?

>>3084190
You've resorted to copypasting a reddit post by some random nobody now?
Jesus Christ, that's just sad.

Anyway, I'm off. This shitshow of a thread seems to have reached its logical conclusion.

Mods someone kill this thread.

>>3084200
Except, as I said, Bakke vs University of California did NOT rule out race as a factor for deciding college admission. There's no quota per say, but as shown by the data I had cited and analysed earlier, it seems colleges want to make their campus reflect the demographics of the United States. If I must concede any points, it must be how much affirmative action is considered in a schools decision. You also contradict yourself, if there are so many schools (around 70%) where whites are an overwhelming majority, how are whites being pushed out if schools? Do you have any data on how many whites are refused from schools in favor of a non white?

>>3084170
>Except the black crime rate is higher across the board, regardless of background, which has been pointed out countless times

in first world countries? source?

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>>3084182

>>3084237
Misleading statistic. Mothers are often spending more time at home with their children than fathers are. It should be no surprise that there are more deaths in this scenario.

>>3082645
Indie western alt stylization, children's cartoons, and imported anime. Ratios depend on individual.

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>>3084251

>>3081931
My guess it's that it's a clutch they use to make the nose pop out without actually learning about planes and basic rendering.

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>>3083635
>No clue what that is, although I'm a tumblr fag.
>Not retarded though.
Not retarded, just not old enough. It's from the early 2000s and it's about fat emo girls.
The author is now trans

>>3084264
Jesus christ.

>>3083801
I mean, ya could paint them blue. If youre paint a corpse or an alien or something. Isnt it weird that 4chan loves ahegao but cant stand red noses?

>>3084264
Ross/Sophie is from RIT I was lucky enough to go to her student gallery showing before she was hired for wetmoon. Nah, 5 mins of talking with him(then) and you got the sense much of self was held back. Half that gallery ended up being stolen right off the fucking walls before he could sell it

>>3084339
>Half that gallery ended up being stolen right off the fucking walls before he could sell it
damn that sucks

>>3084345
that was like 14 years ago now? fuck me I feel old. I was going to buy one that looked just like an ex. S/he told me later via DA that most of that gallery was stolen.

Anyways, wet moon was maybe 12? years ago. Right after he(then) was hired right after doing some work for wizard of the coast for a card game/textrp that never got published. The point being, look at all these out of touch fucks thinking they know what sells. Last I checked The Jem comic is doing just fine and her fan made character for TMNT is bonkers popular.

tl:DR people like red noses becuse its fucking hardwired into them to see it as cute. Get over it

>>3083582
>Complains about hyperbole
>Uses literally figuratively
Tumblr in the flesh.

>>3083862
>Race is a big huge part of life
It isn't.
I'm mexican, I'm rich. I travel often for leisure and love meeting new people. Nobody gives a shit about the color of my skin outside of south-western american leftard women and their beta orbiters.

>>3083968
Somehow not having any rights because they're not legally permited to reside or work in the country doesn't stop mexicans immigrants from reaching middle class living conditions but blacks just can't do shit because of crap that was abolished half a century ago.

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>>3084501
Wrong thread sorry
I never understood how deleting a post works

>>3084503
click the gray check box right up beside "Anonymous" in the post, then click the delete button at the bottom right of the page.

>>3084483
>Race isn't a huge part of life
>Rich

Oh boy.

>>3084203
Implying IQs are even accurate.

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>>3084203
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2005.01641.x

Is it that hard to comprehend that your 135 IQ means nothing? Trying so hard to cling onto whatever makes you seem smart.

It's not even that I have an agenda, IQ have been constantly debunked with their accuracy. But go ahead and post videos from a lecture that specifically tries to make IQ sound more liable than it actually is. My IQ isn't bad but I'm not deluded enough to know that it doesn't mean anything in the long run.

Why do you need IQ test to validate not being stupid? Stop clinging to it so hard when the evidence is overwhelmingly against you.

Learn that noticing a correlation between shapes doesn't exactly accurately measure your intelligence. But whatever makes you feel better.

>>3084918
Wrong picture but whatever.

"Several reasons. You'll see people spout off their IQ as if it provides authority on any given subject. If a middle-aged PhD in molecular biology with an IQ of 104 and a 23 year old bartender with an IQ of 137 argue over biology, IQ is an irrelevant figure.
IQ doesn't measure specific knowledge. Like other intelligence tests, IQ tests are trying to measure mental reasoning, comprehension, etc. So, when arguing just about anything, IQ is irrelevant.
Further, when was the last time you strolled into a testing center and took an IQ test? Sure, most everyone has taken a free IQ test online, but those aren't official and several provide the disclaimer saying as much. So now, people are using a number that gives no authority over knowledge from a site that does not give an authoritative result to claim authority over a subject they (perhaps) know nothing about.
There's also the general disagreement with IQ as a concept. The attempt to quantify intelligence necessitates the defining of intelligence, which will be inherently flawed because there's much a test is unable to account for."

I'm quoting other people because they say it much better than me. You seem to have a hard time comprehending something so simple. But I guess knowing correlation between shapes equates to me most likely being a genius huh. I imagine you as one of those people going around boasting their IQ's or using it in arguments.

>I don't talk to low IQ people

Golden

My guess is that it started from pixel art. At some point in the last 5-10 years the style emerged to help clearly define facial feature despite the spacial limitations. Someone on tumblr said "I like it" and translated it to their full scale work. Thus spreading a "unique" style to the circlejerk that is all of tumblr and inspiring countless clones.

But again, that's just my guess.

>>3084912
Race isn't a huge part of life.
Money is.

SJWs refuse to accept there is a real class divide and that the class divide is the real source of discrimination and special threatment because they themselves are often the white suburban children of rich men and women who have never faced any form of discrimination thanks to their bank accounts. Or do you really think they delayed OJ's capture so fucking long because a Charger can't outrun a Bronco?

Poor niggers get shot on sight because they're poor.

>>3085846
I guess I was just hallucinating the owner of a gas station following me around making sure I wasn't stealing. I guess the fact that black people are specifically targeted for traffic stops. Police chiefs even go out of their way to remind officers to specifically target them.

Sure money is a factor but you're a fucking idiot if you think race doesn't factor at all into this.

They don't get shot because they are poor. They get shot because they're black and that's is synonymous with thug. You're sheltered and delusional if you think being poor is the only reason with all of these racists and 'race-realists' running rampant on here and /pol/. Race is obviously a factor and the mindset here is to assume black people are inherently violent because they have a low IQ.

I don't know if you can read any of the things posted here or anywhere else showing that race plays a huge fucking part in life. If you're poor and white you are targeted. Yes, that's true. That doesn't meanracism and discrimination between races doesn't exist.

There's no way you can honestly believe that unless you're a sheltered little baby. I'm a good citizen and yet I'm still profiled and accused of stealing. You don't have to be poor to be discriminated against. I remember Bill O'Rielly telling someone with a PHD that he looked like a drug dealer when he was dressed properly. It goes to show that none of you know anything because you have no idea about any other person's life other than your own. And I don't blame you for that. Just don't make claims that are bullshit. I've lived through too many situations that have showed me that race does play a huge role. Stop acting ike you know everything when you don't even know the first thing about what anyone aside from yourself has been through.

>>3085947
Let me stress this again. Being poor does play a factor. Being rich does play a factor. That doesn't automatically erase race from being a reason. If you're rich, racism doesn't just go away. It still exists. I dress pretty well and never sag and yet I've been accused of stealing on multiple occasions when I've done nothing suspicious.


I haven't stolen one thing in my life. Whether you look poor or rich you get discriminated. Have you ever seen any black person with a nice car get pulled over? Has happened to me multiple times and I've had it happen to many friends. Me having money and dressing nice doesn't change shit. It's always the same. Humans are scum.

>>3085947
>They get shot because they're black and that's is synonymous with poor.
There's a lot of black men with miles long records walking free in Baldwin Hills.

>>3085947
>>3085959
Either you're lying or you're doing something that ticks the police off like acting suspicious as fuck.
I literally look like a terrorist had a child with a drugdealers and nobody ever gives me anything but their nicest because I have money and enjoy it.

>>3086006
So what's your point? It still has something to do with race. That's the point I'm trying to make.

>>3086006
People probably think your a terrorist and are acting nice so you won't blow them up.

>Either you're lying or you're doing something that ticks the police off like acting suspicious as fuck.

>My experience is different from yours so you're obviously lying

I have no reason to lie. But whatever makes you feel like you're right. Believe whatever you want man. Just because your life is easy cruising doesn't mean everyone elses is. Money helps, yes, but it doesn't get rid of racism or stereotypes.

>>3086034
>I have no reason to lie.
I know black men of money who aren't treated like thugs wherever they go. So I have no reason to believe you:
>are black
>have money
>are constantly discriminated
At least one of these is false. Or you are paranoid/profit from the victim complex.

>>3086040
>I have many rich black friends so anything you say that does not conform to what they've experienced is completely untrue

You really live in a bubble. You do realize where you live and where I live are completely different places, correct? Do you honestly think every culture everywhere is completely the same? I don't blame you for forgetting but honestly either way what you're trying to imply is riduculous.

Would be pretty cool if you stopped using your life to compare to mine and my friends.

You probably haven't faced discrimination but that doesn't mean anyone else has.

>>3086056
>You probably haven't faced discrimination but that doesn't mean anyone else has.
Maybe I just don't think every sligh is race-based discrimination like you do.

>>3086067
I don't. There are plenty of situations that I've been through that were obviously not race-based. I like how if I acknowledge racism in any form I'm someone who has a victim complex. I'm sorry that I've straight up been cussed out by a store manager. They called the police while mumbling that I was a stupid nigger. He thought I stole something. Cops came and checked me and he told me to get out and never come back although I did nothing wrong.

I've had a situations where I knew it wasn't race-based. Not everything is race based. Just because I acknowledge that I've experienced racism that means I think everything is racism? Dude fuck off.

>NOTHING IS EVER RACE-BASED. IF IT IS IT'S RARE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED IT

You're completely ignorant. You don't even bother to hear out other people and immediately assume they're lying if they tell you something. I'm almost certain that's why you're so sheltered. Why would any of your friends tell you about their experiences with racial discrimination. I've had plenty of encounters. It's not like I blurt it out to my friends randomly.

>>3086067
Eh, you know what. I eally don't feel like dealing with this today. I'm gonna just stop the argument right now. Ignore my post above. I'm not going to get through to you and you're not going to get through to me. I've argued enough on the internet to know. You can never change the mind of someone by yelling at them no matter what.

It's not the fact that you think class is an important role that I oppose. It's that you think becoming rich will suddenly destroy any and all discrimination in any form. That is not the case with me. That is the poin of me telling you this. And if you really think I'm lying then there's no point in continuing because I legitimately don't give a fuck about changing you mind.

You can go on thinking however you want. It's a free world. Same with me. I keep telling myself I won't get into a pointless argument but I do anyway.

Peace.

You people are fucking children.
Fucking hell nice job derailing a thread again.