why work on something for days, months, even years that people

>>3080793
do you like art? name your favorite artist.

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>>3080799

yeah but when a lot of art is concentrated in somewhere like a museum it takes hours or days to go through it. also you get better at it so those paintings that took weeks only take a couple hours. you ever see 'warm up' sketches of pro artists? they look better than something beg spends days . also if you have paintings hanging up on your walls or as your wallpaper on your pc they get a lot more viewing time

>>3080793
If it's porn, then the people who fap to it are at least going to be looking at it for a few minutes.
Now, if you got a 100k people to look at it for an average of 1 minute each, then it's been looked at for 69 days total.

>>3080793
>doesn't this make you feel like a total asshole

why....yes....yes it does.

>>3080802
ok now , do you remember that image in your mind? if so i would consider that viewing time. also even if they look at it for a few seconds (or minutes as the other anon said in the case of porn) if the image sticks with you thats the important part. thats why you could justify spending a long time on something.

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>>3080803
get better at what? rendering is a specific skill that gets more narrow as you progress into it. slaving over the lighting in single piece will not help improve subject selection, composition, narrative, gesture, and so on. it makes very detailed illustration of dead content. which is why the work is uninteresting and holds very short attention.

>>3080804
>100k people to look at it for an average of 1 minute each, then it's been looked at for 69 days total
we aren't building a barn.

>>3080811
wouldn't this argue for symbolist and minimalism then? those are easier to remember. all that detailed rendering is detrimental or superfluous.

>>3080793
Have it ever crossed your mind that some people just like painting and don't care too much of how much praise and attention they get by people they'll never meet or make contact with?

>>3080818
>doesn't this make you feel like a total asshole?
yes. see here:
>doesn't this make you feel like a total asshole?

>>3080793
Why do you care about something that stupid? You can't even do a proper insult, asshole.

>>3080816
yeah but htat sucks. that stuff doesn't stick with me

>>3080793
Well if 10k people watch you for 2 sec. That's 5.6 hours. Be good and it'll be worth it.

That's by your logic.

A lot of people draw because it's fun.

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>>3080826
what insult? i'm asking a question because i want to learn what other people think.
>You can't even do a proper insult, asshole.

>>3080818
no gotta get those follows likes notes etc lol kek teehee sellout to the max dude

>>3080793
prob spent an hour looking at that portrait just from you cunts reposting it over the years

>>3080831
that's 2 seconds with 10k - 1 repeats. it's not accumulative.

>>3080836
The truth in this hurts.

>>3080832
>can't even greentext quote properly.

I bet you feel sad. What was it you would call that? right, asshole.

>>3080793
>doing it for the sake of appreciation, not for greater skill and understanding
>not even doing it just for self-sustainability by commission

Ngmi

>>3080793
I don't think this is any particular problem for illustrators. There are plenty of people who will look at your painting for longer periods of time and they might also save it and come back to it every so often, especially if they are artists themselves.

Now for comic book artists on the other hand this must be quite frustrating, especially when they draw really intricate and detailed establishing shots, because the better they are, the more quickly the reader wants to move forward in the story and not stay on one page for very long.

>>3080861
Also imagine the oldschool background artists for animated feature films. They'd do some beautiful, breathtaking landscape that gets shown for like 5 seconds on screen with half of the painting being obscured by characters. Illustrators really can't complain when it comes to this.

>>3080861
i do agree there are plenty of good paintings people look at for long periods of time. sometimes ridiculous amounts of hours. but this generally consists of work that is done well rather than what most people seem to be striving for with the overly rendered 2-second-eye-catch-fame. well conceived photographs are more interesting.

>>3080793
you are right everyone should just draw porn, you have to look at that the whole time you beat off.

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>>3080894
you don't have to post if you can't follow the topic.

I LOVE seeing people like you languish in obscurity and never making it, you don't do this out of enjoyment from just the art itself.

work not for the result, work for work itself. amateurs.

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>>3080951
why finish a painting ever if you only enjoy the process? how do you decide on a stopping point? you make it sound like everyone should just keep grinding away like they're playing a video game. that isn't art.

>>3080957
Art is exactly like a vidya game, if you don't enjoy it drop it. It's not worth the effort if you hate the process itself

>>3080793
maybe because one self wants to?

having an artists eye is way cooler than a random faggot eye

>another low quality bait

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so my take from this thread is nobody here knows anything about producing good work and hide behind "justburself" tier defenses of enjoying the process. meanwhile threads are made daily to bash other people's work to oblivion based on some enigmatic criteria.

>>3081002
If that's all you took from it you really are idiotic

>>3080793
When I work on something it's for myself, my enjoyment. I rarely even post my work online these days because I frankly don't feel a need to, I just file it away and make the next.

Fuck I love art.

Thats why you do graffiti at a public space where people wait, like a train station. That way people will waste tousands of hours looking at it depwnding on how fast it gets cleaned up. Or hard mode, be a public space sxulptor.

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>>3081018

>>3081019
Sorry to break it to you, but you didnt make it.

>>3080793
Ruanjia and other artists of his caliber gets paid to do it imbecile.

>>3080813
another painting of a girl sitting and drinking a hot beverage, we definitely need more of those

>>3080793
DAE NIHILISM??

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>>3081033
>he pretends to have an argument as he misrepresents others' views

>>3080793
I draw to get better, so I cant make better sculptures and 3d models, so I can enjoy tabletop rpgs more. Why are you even on /ic/ if you hate the idea of people putting time into their hobbies?

>>3081111
>>3081105
did they stop doing reading comprehension tests before highschool? i can have a more intelligible discussion with a search engine.

>>3080957
finishing stuff up is part of the process: the decision making needed to figure out if stuff needs more work put it or not, if it works at all etc. is a skill in itself. Also finishing stuff up allows for some critique which may prove useful.

Overall i see your issue but the stuff you learn and the process of learning it is the bulk of the meaning of drawing, having people enjoy it/getting money for your work/ not fading into obscurity are pleasant bonuses.

Also i often feel like a tryhard for looking at stuff too much: usually most of the information is conveyed in the first few seconds so I'm not even sure if I enjoy examining a piece or mostly enjoy thinking that i enjoy examining it, as if it somehow makes me more refined. Still, there are some works that definitely capture my attention for a long time so your work may as well do that with a number of people.

>>3080793
an asshole? No. I do feel as though drawing/painting is an inferior art form compared to music in a few ways. Drawing still has it's perks, creating visual things, the feeling you get while drawing something great and progressing, constant progression.

Drawing is great, but it does not move me the way music does. I can listen to the same song for hours, and years later still enjoy it. Music gives me this rush and changes the way I feel.

>>3081135
both visual arts and music have to work at getting your attention but music has the benefit that once it has the attention it is free to take considerable artistic liberties. whereas a painting delivers an entire image all at once. almost like it's too efficient at conveying information. which brings into question the whole point of superfluous detail and over-rendering. once you've captured what you were going for, why is it now a thing to continue?

>>3080793
>people stare at it for 2 seconds
>one of the most recognizable digital artists

how dat

>>3081203
Damn anon, great post. I guess it comes down to how much a person have pinpointed what exactly they are going for and if they are there yet. Still, i feel like artists would appreciate someone who stopped prematurely while regular people would rather prefer an over-rendered piece.

>>3080793

you retard!!! the value is NOT in the piece. the value is in your head. in the increase of ability you gain from creating it.

if you keep that mentality you got going on there you will NEVER make it. i make 18k a month on patreon and started doing art in 2012, i know what i'm talking about.

>>3080793
I'm new to /ic/. Why is this pic posted all the goddamn time? What's the story?

>>3081002
1) /ic/ is not one person
2) Some people are hypocrites
3) Enjoying the process is not some low tier defense, it's true

You can enjoy creating, and the creation itself at the same time, people love working to perfect an image to the best of their ability and will work obsessively to reach that goal.

Even if people only see it for a moment, it doesn't matter to them as long as the artist is happy and living comfortably.

>>3081590
It's a painting by an artist called Ruanjia. A lot of people look up to him.

>>3081125
clearly they did, otherwise you would make sense, idiot

>>3080816
So you're saying if your parents had cel-shaded bodies, you'd remember them the same, because nobody remembers details? What if their faces were made of large brush strokes?

>>3080793
because some people don't work on something for days, months, even years with that purpose

>>3080813
That piece is beautiful. Although I personally don't care about realism painting, if people want to make it and people want to look at it, fine. Who gives a fuck really?

>>3080813
>rendering is a specific skill that gets more narrow as you progress into it.

Not really

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>>3080793
Artists should seriously ask themselves this, because most art made is superficial and disposable. But to answer, good art will engage a small portion of the people who see it for longer than a few seconds- this is called an audience. Really good art can affect an audience.

Why the fixation on length? Do songs all have to be an hour long to justify the time spent learning the instrument? Have you never seen a painting once and remembered it? Or admired the passion behind a work that took years to realize? It's a strange question imo.

>>3080865
>Also imagine the oldschool background artists for animated feature films.
I think OP's point applies more to animation and film. Not only is your contribution just a short moment on the screen, the director gets credited with making everything. Concept, preproduction, and cut work is often never seen. Being that invested in a team only seems worth it for good films. pic related-
https://youtu.be/4ds9mfUB7Dg?t=7m47s

>>3081038
Don't give a single fuck anon I didn't drown myself in art to "make it" I did it for my own enjoyment.