How the fuck do you get better with hands without reference?

>>3080136
Have you tried symbol drawing? That gif pretty much demonstrates the usefulness of symbol drawing, just saying

Wish I knew

Hands take me the longest time
I could draw a face and a body just fine, then struggle with hands for over an hour. They never turn out right

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>>3080136
Hands are the most fun part. Gesture, structure, lots of observation and taking notes.
You'll find that the things that make your hand drawings look shit keep recurring, so just keep an eye on them. Things like
>hand doesn't taper from the wrist, thumb's metacarpal is the wrong proportion relative to pointing finger's metacarpal, silhouette is an unappealing shape etc.
If you get them all down, the hand will be a spot on and damn does that feel good.

Hampton's approach helped me the most, honestly. Those little ballpoint pen scribbles are one of the most valuable things in his book.

>>3080136
I was mad as hell when I saw that

>>3080163
>hand doesn't taper from the wrist, thumb's metacarpal is the wrong proportion relative to pointing finger's metacarpal, silhouette is an unappealing shape etc.
In English please?

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>>3080136
Why the hell wouldn't you use reference?
Do you realize that you have 2 live references right in front of you?

>>3080239
Wha
No I don
HOLY SHIT

>>3080239
I mean you have a left hand. If you master drawing it you'll master both hands since they're symmetrical. Duh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prteVqkD964

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>>3080239

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>>3080249
>Doesn't has to worry about drawing from the wrist.

He is gonna make it.

>>3080239
I used to take pictures of my hands whenever I needed a very specific reference
Thanks for the reminder though

I really need a new fucking phone

>>3080136
Draw hundreds hands from reference, using construction to break down their shapes from various angles. Ta-dah, now you can draw better hands.

Seriously, my hands got a lot better after I spent a few days just grinding 50 hand studies. Try it some time, just fill a few pages with hands.

>>3080136
>fastest way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4jt0rmTo_c

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>>3080249

>>3080249
poor guy, his life must be hell.

how does he wipe his butt ?

>>3080677
he has a hook

>>3080706
I have to disagree. He would have a bidet installed, controlled by a huge sturdy button that his nubs can smash.

>L O O M I S

>>3080246
this

I never understood why hands are so difficult for people. I have a horrible time drawing backs, backs of legs from lower angles, and detailed ass holes

>>3080231
>Not knowing basic anatomical nomenclature. NGMI.

>>3080729
>detailed assholes
why though?

>>3080326
nice

>>3080744
Weird commissions pay above average

>>3080231
>hand isn't the narrowest at the wrist
>the first segment of thumb is just as long as on other fingers
>the overall shape is symmetrical, boring or doesn't read well

>>3080302
I didn't get past 10 seconds of this normie shit

>>3080136
understand perspective and build up your visual library by drawing as many hand poses from as many angles as possible.
there are no shortcuts to developing a skill.

>>3080869
>normie shit
bruh thats as autistic as you can get
the fuck you think normie means?

>>3080892
this is exactly the kind of thing normie "rawr XD" teens watch
alongside Ross Draws and Mark Crilley

>>3080302
holy shit, the amount of normie radiation is incredible.

Isnt the best part about drawing hands the fact that you can just look at your own?

I once heard Sycra say that he got good at hands by using reference, but the thing that helped him the most was to draw them without reference.

thoughs?

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>>3080326

>>3080971
rough life :(

>>3080677
i like how thats the first thing that came to your mind, I was thinking more about reaching for pringles

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>>3080326
quality post

>>3080783

What do you mean hands arent narrowest at the wrist? Mine certainly are

>>3081234
you forgot fingertips ;)

>>3081234
Well yea, I was listing possible mistakes.
People often make the palm an evenly wide block instead of tapering it at the wrist. The result is awkward and unappealing af.

>>3080136
You have at least one reference with you all the time assuming you have the correct number of hands

>>3080950
You know you spend too much time on 4chan when you think those types of people are normies.

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>>3080326
Nice character

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>>3081681
either you must've not have had a normal childhood filled with normal dumb teenagers or you must be old as fuck, either way you're lucky. I don't blame you for misunderstanding normie culture

>>3080950
Thats not normie culture Retard. Normies don't consume weeb shit

>>3080892
No he's right this is normalfag pandering so randumb

>>3080302
actual cringe

>>3080302
>>3080892
I opened up the video just to defend you since people are really loose with their usage of normie. Anyway, this is fucking normie trash bro. I opened it up and thought it was alright even though the drawing was shit but then he just cuts to his hair and does the whole so randumb XD act. Couldn't even get a minute into the video before turning it off.

>>3081718
mark crilley has 2.8 million followers
and ross draws panders to normies


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEqwKNNQBwc

are you also gonna tell me "fred", who had a bazzillion million view on youtube isn't the epitome of normie shit?

>>3080249
I like how he looks like it's the first time he realised his hands are missing

>>3080302
Survived till 1:09

>>3081718
It's normies who are into weeb-chic, which isn't real otaku "culture".