>how do you draw anime >LOOMIS

Anime has anatomy, foreshortening and construction.

ic always claims you have to be able to draw realistic humans first before anime, which is true to some extent. But come one, there is so much stylized mangaka out there, and youre telling me these mangaka never hide behind the anime style because they cant draw it 100% realistically? Youre saying mangaka dont make proportion and anatomy errors here and there and try to use tube arms to make it look presentable?

This is why i dont take this meme 100% at face value

>>3077016
What do you use anon ?
Moe character no kakita here.

>>3077020
wow, i actually bought that book in japan. but i just own it because i like to collect art books. its pretty good, but really, its just like an anime version of loomis

Anyway, i dont believe in most books. If you want to learn to draw, just look up art models pdf on google, scan through it for an hour, and then look at your favorite mangaka for anime face. And use sketch layers, perspective lines, proportion measuring up the ass.

>>3077002

His book gives you everything you need to draw anime.

If you can't apply it, then you haven't learned enough from it.

>>3077026
Thanks for the advice but I'll still do it my own way.

>>3077016
You can obviously tell if an mangaka has solid grasp at anatomy because if they don't, their art look like shit shoujo manga.

>>3077002
Yes, that's correct. Many of the best artists and animators working in the anime and manga industry cite Loomis as their primary learning source and #1 recommendation for aspiring artists to study.

Japan is in fact the only country where Loomis's books never went out of print.

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>>3077140
mfw Loomis really is a meme even in Japan
https://twitter.com/a_loomis
http://open.open2ch.net/test/read.cgi/oekaki/1411183096/

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>>3077002

not only Loomis, fagtron.

NIP LOOMIS.

>Rūmisu - sama

>>3077149
n-nani!??!

>>3077147
Damn, these guys are way more thorough with their Loomis studying than I was

>each drawing copied
>sometimes several times
>several own inventions

Makes me realize how entitled I felt

>>3077147

Do you think they're going to listen to a dirty foreign demon?

see >>3077149

>>3077016
look at the hand in the OP pic. That is the extent of most anime stylization outside of facial features. There is nothing to hide behind, it's straight up good anatomy and proportions with slightly simplified, appealing lines.

>>3077149
This looks like the art of those western Dunning Kruger manga artists.

>>3077149
where do I find more?

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>>3077137
well there you go
>>3077140
Ill just spell it out for all you fags before you go all japanophile on here

American and Japanese Book shops all have your loomis, bridgman, vilppu, hogarth, etc, i can confirm since ive seen these. So they did not stop printing loomis, in fact, i remember reading about a new loomis book with lost illustrations being published 3 years ago coming out. But heres the difference, American book shops that have weeb art books, thos are fucking shit, like really bad, and are only cash grabbers. Japanese book shops ones are better, but i still feel are cash grabs too because it sort of just recycles what loomis said but with anime girls.

Figure drawing teaching is not dying in america, some of the best books of recently have came out by americans: scott robertson, michael hampton, and you have things like (pic), which was done by a canadian animator. Not all western animators are calarts majors either, though, it seems the ones who cant land at Disney or pixar go to japan to apply for a job to escape that shit.

And btw, japanese dont share this same 4chan mentality of western cartoons being shit and glorious stiff anime girl made with 3d model is superior. The nips love mlp and steven universe. Those conservative 2channers who can speak decent english that go on rants how they hate westerns, they are black sheeps pretty much. There are tons japanese livestreamers on shit like nico nico that are into that feminist bullshit.

And while on the topic, another retarded thing i heard about japanese on ic, is that they apparently think japanese are more rude with criticism when it comes to art online. This is false too, and djt can confirm it. The japanese if anything, are more polite than all these people in the art threads who say shit like "quit art", "beg thread". In fact, if any of you d/ic/ks tried pulling that shit in japan, and you werent some respected art teacher, you'd be ostracized.

Sorry, had to go on this rant.

>>3077168
>had to go on this rant
Did you? you seem really freaking mad.
Anyways that was a long rant, so here's your (you)

>>3077180
>really freaking mad
He really doesn't

>>3077163
>western Dunning Kruger manga artist

The fuck does that mean?

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>>3077182
It's a stiff pose. A lifeless expression, like the Greek Kouros in manga form.

>>3077182
If you have to ask, you're probably one too.

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>>3077002
I studied Loomis for a year and it really helped my anime drawings.

>>3077198

>Implying that learning loomis will make your drawings more lively and dynamic.

>>3077201


Talking of Dunning-kruger ...

>>3077158
Yea if you think you can ignore basic construction and perspective because it is hard for you, your going to have a bad time. The "good anime" you look at has it.
>>3077168
ye, this board gets stuck in weird micro chasms.

>>3077217
shiiit anon, are these yours? real nice. especially the sitting girl. which loomis book was the best for you?

>>3077217
Nice dullahan

>>3077217
Good stuff anon.

>>3077217
wtf i love loomis now

tutorial tag on yande.re

>>3077217
>he's alive
Where is your new blog?

>>3077217
The key point here is
>it really helped my anime drawings
meaning that it's not LOOMIS that leads to anime
it's anime with the help of LOOMIS leads to better anime

>>3077217
why did you delete your old blog?

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>>3077002
Wow I just read a chapter and damn did my anime improve

>>3077217
That's way too detailed you don't need that in anime.

>>3077456
>Nigger lips
>anime

>>3077163
People that use that term are so reprehensible.

>>3077147
HOLY SHIT HAHA

>>3077233
Figure drawing for what it's worth and head and hands. I also studied Hampton and Bridgeman.
>>3077426
Because I was getting death threats. >>3078005
There are varying levels of detail in anime anon. Not everyone wants to draw lolis with cylinder arms.

>>3078169
Aw shit
Let me delete that before anyone sees it

>>3077016
>ic always claims you have to be able to draw realistic humans first before anime
literally nobody claims that

we just say you need the same fundamentals for both and loomis teaches those fundamentals

>>3077217
>tfw can draw like this

Studying Hampton and perspective paid off

>>3078108

You were getting death threats? What the fuck?
Why?

>>3077217
>people believing this is actually turd-nip
Post something new or you're just the same resident LARPing faggot who posts work not his own.

>>3077002
Do you want to make a stylized copy of the real thing?

Or do you want to make a stylized copy of a flawed imitation with a lot of limitations?

>>3077016
The best mangakas are those who have stylized art layered on top of a lot of actual knowledge in the fundamentals of art. For a modern example, see: Kohei Horikoshi. The dude has a crazy style but just by seeing it you know he knows his shit. There's also people like Yusuke Murata, who's considered one of the best artists in the manga industry and his less stylized drawings really show the LOOMIS in every single panel.

>>3078265
I have this book but have no idea how to use It. do I just keep copying from until I get better.

>>3078603
Somebody answer this

>>3079248
But you didn't even ask a question, there's no question mark anywhere..

>>3078603
>I have this book but have no idea how to use It. do I just keep copying from until I get better.

...
Have you tried reading it?

>>3079248
It's a book.

IT FUCKING TELLS YOU HOW TO USE ITSELF.

Open it and start reading. Jesus fuck.

>>3079248
There are step by step instructions in the book. Another example that talent = intelligence.

>falling for the Loomis meme

Holy fug you people.

>>3078272
oh look I was right again

you did this trick before

https://warosu.org/ic/thread/S2856642#p2856642

memory must be leaving you, r-tard.

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>>3077149
Except this is shit, and nowhere near what people actually want to draw when they say "anime".
>>3077002
The whole idea of loomis is to teach you to create an image using 3 dimensional form, instead of just "STEP ONE DRAW A "V" FOR THE JAW" like most learn 2 draw manga books. So yes, you need loomis to draw anime. Literally every single japanese artist worth his salt can draw a hyper realistic portrait of anyone, in addition to his extremely simplified cute little waifus.

The only problem I would say with loomis is the head. The most popular anime heads do NOT work with loomis, particularly the side plane of the head being quite a bit different in size, shape and position for use on a stylized anime head. nsio shows this to some degree but it's something you kind of just have to figure out.

>>3079742

>The most popular anime heads do not work with loomis.
>You can't draw giant bug eyes with Loomis.

You can't be this stupid, boy. Le Loomis head is not some kind of inflexible, unalterable structure. You can obviously alter it. Holy shit. Even the picture you posted proves the point.

>>3079747
reading comprehension

>>3078272
>>3079709
>stealing art from LAS and pretending to be an old lassie
For what purpose

>>3080022
It's that shitposters hobby.

>>3079742
Why do incompetent artists think they're helping anyone by making incredibly amateurish tutorials?

>>3078034
Go back to pol

>>3079642
>>3079531

No there aren't the book doesnt say much about how to draw a pelvis it just gives you simplified shaps with out explaining the bone structure
>>3079530
No I fapped to it.

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>>3078265
>Studying Hampton
Never heard of him, tell me more

Because once you learn how to loomis you won't be wanting to draw shittu animu anymore.

>>3080658
>he wants to draw 3dpd
Disgusting.

>>3077002
you know loomis is only a thing here because his books were available when the board was growing up. he wasn't picked because loomis is the master of drawing, it's because his pdfs were the easiest to get. there's way better resources available now.

>>3081926
Such as?

>>3077016
Christ you're stupid, the point isn't hyperrealism before anime, but you do need a solid foundation and understanding of real anatomy before you start stylizing or else you're doomed to have some really shit errors, especially as a beginner. The difference between great mangaka and okay/shit ones is that the greats made their style by altering things they liked from real anatomy, while the okay and shit ones just copied the anatomy of anime and shit they liked without understanding how things worked in real life

>>3080223
Are you retarded? Let me spell it out for you:

1. You fucking open the book
2. You read a lesson a time in full concentration
3. You take notes and copy Hampton's drawings
4. You look up reference material
5. You apply what you just learned, this is called practice
6. You repeat the progress until you get it

Hampton is very clear in his instructions, so all you have to do is read consciously and apply what he teaches. If you still don't get it, he even straight tells you to look up other sources. You'd have to be a literal retard with the attention span of a fly to not be able to do that.

>>3080555
Michael Hampton, the guy who wrote "Figure Drawing: Design and Invention", which you can download off of libgen

The book can be a bit vague at times, you need to read it carefully, really study the drawings in the book. You need decent knowledge of form and perspective before you start the book. You should read another figure drawing book after his as well, and have some additional references for understanding anatomy.

>>3078265
Holy shit fuck Loomis, welcome Hampton.
This is way better than the /ic/ meme.

>>3082331
So I was right he doesn't show how he brakes it down and you just end up using references off the net which anyone can do without the book. Sounds worse than the loomis meme

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NIGGA CANT INTO LOOMIS

I AM TOO HIGH FOR SHIT

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>>3082331
On second thought you are right

>>3082334
How to study form?

>>3081926
Seconding the such as?

>>3082382
Have you ever opened one of his books?

>>3077004
>tfw ignored anatomy and construction
>can draw anime just fine

xD my friend.

>>3086777
>"youre wrong because im good"
>doesnt post work
How will he ever recover

>>3084911
Drawabox lessons up to figure drawing section

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Anyone else here who doesn't use loomis but instead copy anime drawings to learn perspective, anatomy, and coloring from them ?

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>>3087374
like toshi and 0033?

>>3087374
I learned almost everything I know from rote tracing and applying the ideas from there, also my style is fucked and I have no idea how to progress

>>3087430
L O O M I S

>>3087430
can i see your work? Curious

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>>3087374
I didn't learned from loomis and mostly copied anime waifus and got ok drawing them.

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I never checked Loomis books before because of the memes, but I gave a try to the Figure drawing one yesterday.
It's actually great.
Really.
I don't know why people talk shit about him.

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>>3087374
>Not doing both
Why limit yourself?

>>3086987
I thought drawabox was a scam? (might be d/ic/ks memeing)

>>3089053
everything's a meme that requires actual work and the discipline for daily practice.

>>3089053
Just don't pay for anything or participate in getting crits and learn on your own. If you watch the videos and read his lessons he is extremely thorough in walking you through constructing basic shapes in perspective. Definitely do the 100 boxes and 100 cylinders challenges.

>>3077217
instagram?

>>3087430
I wanna see your work now, pls post some anon.

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>how do I draw stylized human form from imagination
>learn to construct simplified human form
>WOW YOU MUST BE LYING THIS SOUNDS USELESS

>>3089053
It's only a scam if you do a part of it. If you do all of it over the course of a year, you'll be pretty good. /ic/ tells you only to do lines and boxes. Like really? You're gonna fall for that bullshit? Oh yeah, lines and boxes done for only a month is totally gonna help you draw things that aren't lines and boxes.

If you want to draw anime, go for Steve Huston.
His yt lectures, his nma stuff, his book.
The "simple idea" and "simplest most characteristic form" teaching is much more suitable for the simplistic nature of stylized drawing than, say, Vilppu or Bridgman.

>>3080555
>>3082334 This dude's right.
You know those tutorials "how to draw anime eyes in 5 steps" - you can tell they're shit because they teach you what, but not why. They teach you specific stuff.

Hampton is the opposite, he teaches you how to think, how to approach drawing as a whole. You probably can't get a better figure drawing book.

>>3089175
Now I wanna check out Hampton again, after I go through Huston though, I already started Huston. Although, I'm so shit, I might as well just go back to still life.

>>3089177
>>3089175
>learning how to draw japanese cartoon by using a foreigners book
You guys are stupid.

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>>3086777
Good luck drawing your alien abomination retard

>>3089228
Are you retarded? It's like saying you can't learn origami from someone who's not Japanese.

>>3089235
Not him but that is literally possible and nips do that.
Must be sad having no talent.

>>3089236
They do not make anime and they do not have talent to draw anime.
Making people learn from unprofessionals is really sad.

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>>3086777
>LOL NOT ME
>Don't post work
Sure pal.

>>3078603
Approach studying from a book the same way you would study from a maths book
You have to thoroughly understand everything
Don't just read a sentence and think "okay that makes sense, I get that", get out a pen and draw what you've learnt from it, think about how this knowledge can be applied to other areas (for example you read about how the colour of light can change the colour of the shadow, do still lives under different lighting conditions but also consider the nature of light itself and how that might affect other things not just shadows. STUDY)

If the knowledge is not completely clear to you after reading the book enough that you should be able to burn the book up and not need it anymore, you don't understand it well enough

>>3080223
Don't just study from one book, he'll give you a good way to simplify the pelvis but you should also find another book or just google what the pelvis actually looks like
Gather as much knowledge as you can

>>3084911
Draw stuff and draw cross contour lines over it's surface (like spidermans costume lines)

>>3088011
Because after so many years it's still funny seeing newtards take shit from anonymous d/ic/ks so seriously instead of trying to read the book themselves and make their own personal conclusion like you did.

>>3089168
Do all of it up the the figure drawing section, then learn from other sources that are more specialized in figure drawing.

>>3089241
So you just expect me to up and move to Japan and go to one of their great schools for manga/anime/illustration?

>>3089500
>>3086987
>>3089053
>>3089073
>>3089168


Seems like its a good free option, but looks like its mostly Peter Han stuff.

>>3090210
It is. I think Peter Han is basically his fave.

>>3090244
Kinda more midway between Peter Han and Scott Robertson except you know - free - so not nearly as good as either of those.

>>3086777
>can draw anime just fine
>probably draws worthless 3/10 deviant art portraits with no complexity

>>3077002
Few parts of loomis are good (like the shape language and flow/balance silhouette color) but overall it is not enough. Is reality not enough?

Just go out there and don't be a shut-in inbreeding your art style with art style you like.

Most western artist have this "arrogant" attitude in their art works and it seems to be linked with loomis meme. It looks terrible t b h.

Start drawing babies or kids then move up from there. If you can't then you can go ahead and draw grotesque western characters and base it from your shitty inbred art styles.

>>3090473
If anything, the people on this board just need to draw more. They're so afraid of the stagnation meme that they would rather find "the best way" before even beginning when beginning is the best way. Draw anime for ten years and you'll probably be as good as pixiv aritsts.

Western artists >>3090473 only draw the good parts and that's what makes it bad.

>overly sexy pin-up loomis girls
>muscular faggers

It's way too rigid. In reality it's a mix of temperaments. There's a kid, a mother, a father, bad, good, inspired, motivated, depressed, a pet, environment you can't capture that from training your shit from loomis. Did you know that most directors apply "sanpaku" eyes? Even in animes. Most good shows depict a realistic human personality.
You can't move forward if you keep on drawing retarded character designs that never interact.
It's just as retarded as your "sonic modes".

>>3090479
Sadly there's too less competition right now.
That is because they fell for the meme and keep on training for the sake of training.

>>3087430
i know this feel
i know this feel in my very soul

>>3087430
>also my style is fucked and I have no idea how to progress
Either you are the best learner or the best teacher; Sensing or Intuition. I am the latter though.

The choice is yours but you already picked one right from the very beginning. You only need to be aware of who/what you are.

>>3090588
How can I learn to be a teacher, anon?

>>3090592
This guy is posting MBTI pseudoscience like this in multiple threads right now about how drawing entirely from imagination is for "intuitives" and learning from resources is for "sensers."

>>3090592
Good thing you asked.
You don't learn to be. You learned to be.

1/5th of your life (around 20 years) is enough to know the remaining 4/5th of it. What you spent into will matter in the undeterministic future that awaits you (unless you've been living someone else's life by being instilled with "what you should ideally be").

Take the MBTI test.
If you are already an iNtuitive you are already a teacher.
If you are a Sensor you are the best learner (even when alone).

Senors learn more through their 5 senses.
Intuitors learn more through their 6th sense.

So which personality type did you have?

>>3090621
>>3090655
>when anon wasn't joking
First time I'm seeing this kind of post though to be honest

>>3090664
MBTI is a little bit bull sometimes but it's the easiest way to get the result.
The real truth is 4+1 temperaments.

Which loomis book should I read first as a beginner?

Is Loomis the Starting Strenght of /ic/?

>>3092905
Fun with a pencil

>>3092933
It's just a meme.

>>3095582
Is it a fucking meme or what

>>3092905
Fun with a pencil. Once you reach the more realistic faces switch off to Drawing Heads and Hands where he refined his construction technique.

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Example is better than precept