Cringe Thread

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>>3075801
>2011 vs 2017

>>3075816
How do people like this even exists? Like actually how. How can they look at that shit and go "yeah i just need to keep doing what im doing cause im awesome at this."

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>>3075827
it's leddit

>>3075827

They usually just really WANT to be able to draw, but don't put the time in to get better, or don't use the time they do put in properly, or they focus too much on stylization, the usual shit

Though I see a good handful of people at art school that are not too much better than that person, even though they're working hard. No fucking idea why they don't show improvement, it's actually sad at that point

>>3075801
>>3075816
>>3075835
my god, please post more

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>>3075855
I have a weird feeling that you're actually mocking me for making fun of other peoples' progress, but you're probably not

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>>3075855

>>3075816
b-b-but this is normal progress!

I'd bet money people in this thread are on the same level. "Ha ha I'm not gonna be like that in 5 years lmaoo"

I'm sure some of your progress sheets would look similiar.

I know mine would if I tried making one, simply because I haven't drawn for some years and in the years I did I barely studied. There IS a slight improvement, but not anything that's worth sharing.

Putting 2011 drawing next to 2017 wouldn't show much if they didn't try to improve. That's why I think making these progress pictures without trying is pointless.

>>3075801
OP is actually right though in that picture. Too bad /ic/ amateurs are blinded by their own egos

>>3075835
Is not that ba- *looks dates* holy fuck

>>3075870
Both are equally shit

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>>3075945
Here's the latest version.

>>3075801
They literally copied a photo in the first one, that's not skill. I don't think they copied a photo for the second one, I hope not.

>>3075998
Even copying photos requires a certain degree of skill though

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Both of these are copied from an assassin's creed image, and he stated he had been copying gaming characters, spending 25+ hours each piece

I actually feel sorry for the kid desu, at least he's only 14

>>3076132
>tfw you'll never follow your passion like this guy
D-Did he really post that on this reddit sub though? If yes, the guy has balls

>>3076144
Not at all bad for a 14 y/o honestly, he seems to have dedication. It might be good for someone to go encourage him to start studying anatomy and figure drawing so he could design his own game characters someday.

>>3076144
>studying references
>spending time with your pieces

Literally nothing wrong with this, the second one is great for 14

you idiots couldn't finish a piece to save your lives

>>3076144
>this
>in any way bad

I'm gonna hesitate with the blind insults because what's overpowering is my curiosity.
Why do you feel sorry for him?

>>Faggots thinking that they're better than the pics in this thread


Post art or get out

>>INB4 you first

>>3076144

damn this kid is gonna slam it when he's older

>>3076066
Not much, really

>>3076144
That's improvement, and not bad at all for his age.

>>3076167
>>3076164
Mindlessly copying a photo isn't hard and will only improve your rendering skills (somewhat) and line control.

>>3076196

Keep talking like that and you're going to have to post your work

Unless you're tracing, photo copying is excellent practice

There's a reason many successful artists do it, fuckit, nearly everything by algenpfleger that isn't WOTC artwork is a photo study

>>3076196
You're forgetting observation skills, one of the most important skills an artist must have.
I find 1:1 copies boring as hell, but they're not easy. And copying is almost never "mindless" because you actually need to think about the lines and shapes you're drawing to make an accurate copy.

>>3076196
algenpfleger got every ounce of his skill from copying photos and then applying from imagination. so you're full of shit.

>Mindlessly copying a photo isn't hard
inb4 your studying is /beg/ tier

>>3076164
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>>3076167
>>3076199
He dedicated an insane amount of time to copying pictures of gaming characters, but he probably can't do shit from imagination. It's a shame, think of all the things he could have learned in six months. Of course he's great for his age and will probably become a great artist later in life, but I'm sure you wouldn't be praising him if he was 30.

>>3076237
>I'm sure you wouldn't be praising him if he was 30.
for..obvious.. reason?? a 14 year old is very different from a 30 year old.

>>3076237
yeah uh. i think thats the whole point. in what world do people not take age into consideration.

>>3076237

>It's a shame, think of all the things he could have learned in six months.

He's 14. So much time ahead of him. He can waste a few years. Also everyone at that age can only focus on the things they like. When he realize that he need to learn properly he'll already have his observation skill way above average which in turn will boost his learning process.

>>3076237
I'll praise the kid because he's way ahead of where I was when I was 14 (pis related). If the kid is willing to sink 25 hours into studies he's got a lot of passion and potential. He can't do shit from imagination yet, but he's got plenty of years ahead of him to learn that. Instead of making fun of this kid on anon why don't you give him some advice? Tell him about Loomis and Hampton, give him more direction for his studies. If you have the time to complain about this child on a Chinese cartoon forum you probably have the time to give this kid some pointers on improving his art.

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>>3076546
fuck

>>3076237
Don't lie, you copied an existing picture at his age too.

>>3075835

Dude I've been practicing for about two years and I feel like I'm taking forever to improve.

Ah, this relieves my suffering.

>>3075801
it is way better and the guy has a good point

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>>3076171
Ahem....you second.

>>3076628
Eh...

This thread is why I will never even attempt to draw. I figure I'll never improve.

>>3076546
People already gave him advice on reddit, told him to study anatomy, go to life drawing classes and shit.

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>>3076560
I was just trying to say that bad improvement is bad improvement regardless of age, I already acknowleged the fact that he's pretty great for a 14 year old. I guess it's not really cringe if you take into account that he's 14, shouldn't have posted it here, sorry

>>3076144
Better than anything I could do at that age, I'll give the kid that.

Though he is going to have to move away from direct copying of reference pics one of these days. He's pretty damn good for being 14. Especially for that short span of time between drawings.

>>3076144
I come to these threads to laugh a bit at people who just flat out don't understand how to draw. This kid is 14 and looks to be on a pretty decent drawing route. This isn't cringe.

>>3077054
It's just the thread making you feel that way. These threads are by far the worst on /ic/, keep drawing anon!

How's everyone feeling about that artist that genderbent the dream daddy game characters and is now getting death threats because she made one character not fat enough and another isn't trans

>>3076144
That is fucking sick for a 14 year old, hopefully he moves on to a better form of learning and not waste so much time copying images.

>>3075866
Wait this one isn't that bad. The construction on the face and neatness of the lines is a lot better for what's obviously just a sketch/practice.

>>3076196
>>3076237
>Y-you cannot draw from imagination so you're bad
Leonardo da Vinci couldn't even do that, he had the reference for the Mona Lisa sit in front of him still for days getting it right. Get your head out of your ass, there's nothing wrong or unprofessional about using references or copying from multiple sources. Even people in the industry use references. You sound a little premature to be an artist.

>>3076546
>Tell him about Loomis and Hampton
Why? Are you trying to make him a shit artist and go from being able to draw to needlessly parroting sketches of floppy sketchy mannekins?

>>3077058
The funny thing is if he was doing what you consider "Good Improvement" and you only had shitty figure-building exercises to sketch and post it funnily enough wouldn't look as impressive and he'd be worse of an artist on a surface level.

>>3076144
actually not bad considering, just really flat.

>>3077058
>I was just trying to say that bad improvement is bad improvement regardless of age, I already acknowleged the fact that he's pretty great for a 14 year old. I guess it's not really cringe if you take into account that he's 14, shouldn't have posted it here, sorry
This is honestly one of the problems on this board. If you're not a kid, copying is seen as shit, but if you're a kid anything is okay as long as you're improving.

>>3077612
>anything is okay as long as you're improving.
Fixed.

For fuck's sake, this is like criticizing people who use models or look at human poses because "You're not drawing from IMAGINATION11!!11 You should imagine your own SPECIES and POSES instead of copying one you see in front of you!" Get over that load of crock.

>>3077058
>>3076237
>>3076144
>>3076546
>unironically talking shit about 14 years old kid
>unironically compare him to 30 years old
This is real cringe.

>>3077635
It's hard being in the middle where you can only shit on those younger than you because those older than you are too good.

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Another faggot, it took him 2 years and he's still scribbling hahahaha

>Daily reminder the only purpose making fun of other artists serves, is so that you can temporarily feel better about yourself

instead of comparing yourselfs to lesser skilled artists, compare yourself to those above you worthless cucks

>>3077948
2/10 trying too hard

>>3077948
>using gestures as a way to validate improvement over the years
nice try anon

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>>3076147
This is from the /aco/ commissions thread. 90% of the people there are shit including myself, but it doesn't stop me from collecting ez porn bux. Also the dude who drew this is notorious for being a huge tool.

>>3077963
Does /aco/ have enough posters for people posting in the commissions thread to make bank? Also how high are standards? I've sorta considered doing quick, cheap stuff there, but NSFW is new for me.

>>3077976
I've gotten a couple after a few weeks and most of my work would probably fall under the good end of /beg/ as far as skill.
You won't make bank but it's decent side money.
Marketing yourself, building a customer base and being reliable is probably twice as important as the quality of your work. That guy who did the feet cringe pic? He pulls quite a lot of comms because he's been working at it for a while.
Also helps if you're willing to draw niche stuff.

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>>3075801

Girl I know posted this claiming she drew it after not having any previous art experience. Even admitting to tracing in high school and tried to sell commissions saying "provide the image for me to trace."

After praise and someone asking who the drawing is of, she says "it's a picture of a girl from my art textbook that I redrew."
The act in itself is ultimate cringe especially considering she just started art school.

tldr; traced.

>>3077054
Coming to this thread to learn to draw us like going to /b/ to restore your faith in humanity.

>>3076144
He was better than me at that age. Hopefully he starts trying to learn actual fundies soon

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>>3077586
You're all fucking idiots.

>photo copying is excellent practice
Only if you're thinking of the form and perspective and actually *studying* what you're drawing, not just drawing negative space. Any monkey can learn how to copy the lines he sees, it's not going to make you any better at drawing from imagination if you just copy lines. I can draw perfect contour copies of most photos too, but my imagination drawing skills are nowhere near as good. I'm not saying it's useless, but dedicating 25 hours to one photo-copying piece is pointless if you're going to do it like that.

>observation skills
Yes, you need to think about the lines and shapes. That is going to make you good at copying lines and shapes, not drawing from imagination.

>Leonardo da Vinci couldn't even do that, he had the reference for the Mona Lisa sit in front of him still for days getting it right. Get your head out of your ass, there's nothing wrong or unprofessional about using references or copying from multiple sources. Even people in the industry use references. You sound a little premature to be an artist.
I never said that using references is bad, moron. There's a lot of difference between using reference and doing a 1:1 copy of a photograph (not even a still life, which is comparatively much better). Most of us are talking about drawing from imagination, all these Loomis and perspective books are for drawing things from your head. You don't get good at that by just copying lines, I know because I've spent plenty of time on that, enough to make my observational skills sharp enough that I can make a 99% accurate contour drawing of whatever photograph I see. It helps your line control, it makes you better at observation, but it does not make you sginificantly better at drawing from imagination UNLESS YOU USE THAT REFERENCE AS A FORM/PERSPECTIVE STUDY AND NOT JUST A PICTURE TO BE COPIED 1:1.

>>3077948
this is just being insecure about art (IKTF)

>>3078256
The only idiot here is you. Being able to copy a photo accurately, otherwise known as proportion and placement, is the most important fundamental you can have. You can have all the perspective, gesture and anatomical knowledge in the world, but If you can't copy shit accurately it will look like shit. Of course, drawing accurately will make you better at drawing from imagination you retard. If you can't draw accurately from reference, how the fuck are you supposed to draw accurately from imagination? Nobody is saying that you'll automatically draw amazingly from imagination if you can copy well, but it's still a precursor.

>>3078260
He's so insecure, he's putting that other people's work. Isn't that what the majority of /ic/ does

>>3075870
honestly neither are shit tier and the later actually shows a bit of improvement instead of hiding mistakes with lack of detail.

>>3075977
thaz a foto aintit?

>>3076144
This shows a ton of improvement with fabrics and shading for a young teen. He needs to work on portraits and construction but for less than a year this progress is great. Kind of want to find the kid online to show how many people are defending his stuff so he doesn't stop trying.

>>3076237
>he's 14
>references are great for learning
>drawing from imagination takes a long time> happens after using references long enough
dude the hell is wrong with you?

>>3078256
This autism, such powerful autismo!

>reference drawing is needed for everyone but by all means ignore it and pretend you started out great

>>3077589
but /ic/ changes its opinion of loomisevery few years

>>3076628
>can't even rotate a picture
your line art is shit bro, and there's so much missing or obscuring the torso that there's no indication you can do anatomy correctly, the abs say you can't. Also the mouth and chin are disproportionate and there's no indication you can construct a face. This is really meh quality.

>>3075897

Normal for "a children with two months of drawing practice".

>>3075840

I really want believe they dont have idea what is "progress".

>>3077170
wut? also wrong board

(Though this is getting ridiculous what the SJWs are freaking out about)

>>3077633
/thread

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>>3078256
Holy shit.

>>3075870
honestly the worst thing here is that he/she still listens to system of a down after 4 years

>>3077948
while gestures are good to practice, if this is all they've done it's pretty bad.

>>3078003
unforgivable

>>3075801
The one on the right is clearly much better and more interesting though

>>3078256
This is why this board generally sucks for advice. People talk like they' really know What they're talkingabout and without "post your work" someone May believe in shit like this.

So I'll Just say this:

Post your work.

>>3078003
The people with the highest paying jobs trace. So did all the preppy kids in art class when I was in high school. The real deciding factor of weather people will think you're good or not honestly seems to be tracing - at least for practice. If you don't you're a sucker.

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>>3078521
this

>>3078565
stretching a bit pal

>>3078565
>"tracing"
Do you actually know what tracing is?

>>3078565
that's not traced. looking back and forth at the lines, none of them are identical. referencing and tracing are not interchangeable.

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>>3078587
>>3078590
>>3078594
sure...

>>3078604
you dont know what tracing is you fucking retard

>>3078604
They don't even line up properly. 'm not sure what you're trying to prove or why you're so desperate to

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Do I have potential do be decent at drawing? This is after 2 weeks of drawing like an hour a day. This took me about 3-4 hours

Jesus

>>3078375
What that anon is talking about is someone basically drew art of all the male characters from the shitty game grumps dating game and they genderbent them so instead of it being dream daddy it was dream mommy or some shit and people freaked out because they turned a ftm character into mtf and one character wasn't fat enough for their liking so they decided to send death threats to the artist

>>3078604
You are trying WAY too hard.

>>3078631
draw that scene from another angle or 2. then we'll see.

>>3078003
anyone know what the original drawing is from by the way? She said it was from an "art history" book

>>3078565
it's all fun and games until you have an actual job that requires you to design things for them and you can't come up with anything original and they realize you actually have zero skill.

>>3078607
>>3078615
>>3078644
>face totally lines up with the reference but I'm going to ignore that because the body doesn't line up.

That face is totally traced from the reference. You guys are /beg/ tier if you don't see that.

Someone did a better comparison of just the face but I couldn't find it.

If the copy lines up perfectly with the original, how do you know it was traced, and not made by someone with the god-tier ability to copy things by eye?

>>3078720
No such thing.

>>3078649
Can't because I'm dookie. I lack imagination

it's funny. but a waste of time to pick on those people or get outraged.

Another example of too much blabla by immature know-nothings. Do your own shit. Nobody forces you to look at that subreddit.

>>3075816
this guy doesn't need advice or guidance. just more personal exploration...aka draw a fuckload more with his brain turned on

>>3075827
people like that exist because of hugboxes like reddit and deviantart. This is why /ic/ is better, because due to the anonymous nature of the image board, we can just call someone shit instead of trying to sugarcoat everything. People who make those "let's end the 'shitpost' on /ic/" threads are redditors who received a culture shock when they arrived here.

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fresh oc straight off zuckerbook. guess this fits here

>>3078565
whole game is a parody of america and more or less very specific characters. but YOU DO NOT TRACE OVER CELEBS. lel fucking artfags

>>3077948
theres not really much gesture to the other characters. so i never think she really understood it. kinda just started drawing doodle bodies with shapes instead.

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>>3078816
I unironically like the new design and proportions, he just can't paint yet

>>3078852
your 10 minute sketch made better progress than his progress in 5 years

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>>3078852
oh boy

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>>3078645
i think the funniest part is that he went as far as 'throwing bricks' and none of the brick throwing pictures are good, so he used a bad one, why not at least draw the brick yourself and steal a picture of someone throwing something in a less lame way

>>3078852
one on the right is worse

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>>3076181
It does not require much special skill, but few people have the level of patience required to do a good photo copy.

>>3077963
How do you make money from it?

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>>3078256

Dunning -Kruger.

>>3075801
What the fuck is the point of this? Why make fun of people who don't take art seriously? It's like a bunch of people striving to make the NBA trying to feel better about themselves because people who play casually once a week aren't Improving much. How does that even make you feel better? Stupid thread

>>3079207

agreed. people who are just trying their hardest and having a good time making art don't deserve to get shit on by bitter neets on /ic/

>>3077948
Damn, you sound like an asshole but that definitely is a straight-up loss of skill. The proportions on the right are horrible

>>3075870
fuck it's like they made the same mistakes on purpose

>>3075827
some people probably do it for fun and don't care enough to try and improve.

>>3079036
Who's the artist?

>>3075835
This one is decent to me. Is it really that bad?

Pd: not an artist

>>3078631
Everyone can become good at drawing if they want it badly enough.
Passion will force you to keep pursuing art.

>>3080184
I am.

>>3080500
It's 12 years, what do you think?

>not an artist
Why are you here then?

>>3080945
> thinking even half the people here actually draw and don't just shitpost
Good one anon

>>3075801
That's a massive improvement.

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>>3075801
both are shit but how the fuck do you manage to get worse

>>3078645
This kind of pisses me off.

>>3081077
Is it worse? Honestly can't distinguish between them they're both so lacking.

>>3076144
>People here actually believe this is real