Drawing figures -question-

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Can't you rotate with your mind?

>>3041726
>I learned anatomy very well by drawing everything 9 times from reference and 9 times fro memory. How could something like this be applied to learning to draw figures

do the same thing with proportions

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dude if you already know anatomy, like truly know it you would have no problem drawing poses from imagination.

>>3041726
What do you mean, anatomy is the thing you want to pose, no the method of posing.
Knowing anatomy is completely separate from your ability to construct and rotate objects in 3D space. Learn to rotate a box, then place a skull/muscle/tendon in that box. Simple.

>>3044371
No matter how good you're at drawing the anatomy and each part of body you wont be able to create intersting figures without training your gestual, flow, rythm etc, unless you include that into the anatomy topic.

>>3041726
Got a source for that artist, anon? Google's not pulling up anything.

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>>3044790
>tist, anon? Google's not pulling up anything.
Lol I am (OP). here is another HP sketch I'm working on.Did you like my stuff when it was more styalized?

>>3044371
Anatomy and figure drawing are two different things.

>>3045828
Man, that style pisses me off for some reason.

>>3044323
Jesus Christ, the faggot who wrote that really has no clue what he's talking about. Half of those are just blatantly wrong, and his interpretation of the results are just idiotic.

>>3045841
So you prefer the more stylized one I had above?
>>3041726

>>3045828
I like it. Blog?

>>3045887
Sorry, don't have one yet.

>>3045951
What brush is that, btw?

>>3045828
Anon you responded to, and to be honest, I don't see that much difference in terms of levels of stylization between them. They're sitting pretty nice in a style between cartoon-ish and realistic.

Also, not to sound like a dick, but I'm surprised that you don't feel comfortable yet with imaginative construction based on the skill level in these drawings. I don't know what to say other than go back to baby steps and draw people using cylinders and boxes.

Hope you end up making a blog, soon, too.

just use a pose doll? what the fuck is the point of this thread

>>3046017
>he wants to be a mediocre artist his whole life
see >>3044371

I like your style OP.

Maybe I should do like you and work my ass off using references

>>3045992

Seconding the request. Looks like fucking charcoal or something, the lines. Aesthetic stroke variance mang.

>>3046692
>Seconding the request. Looks like fucking charcoal or something, the lines. Aesthetic stroke variance mang.
I'm using an edited version of Ramon Nunez'
pencil brush brush.

>>3045841
dem rosy cheeks and dirty, whispy contours
and girly men

>>3045841
also the conventionally flat, clean coloring abruptly contrasts with that needless faux-charcoal.

like she knew she was being basic and tried to mix it up with a messy outline; no single style carries through; there's no strong overarching direction.

>>3046861
>>3046865
post work

>>3046861
Yeah. There's something seriously fucking off about how women perceive men.

>>3046875
It's art. Don't tell me you dislike all the monster titties too?

>>3047276
I do dislike them

>>3046861
it's the modern clothing and fucking harry potter references that makes it weird imo

if they were just naked figures holding classical poses it would just look artsy

add some flowers and classical ruins in the background and you might have successfully faked good taste

>>3046816
I checked his Gumroad

There's nothing there. Why'd he delete it, fuck

>>3047324
I think it's just my innate dislike of effeminate, lanky men. A lot of female artists rely on a weird mix of masculine traits, like large hands, broad shoulders and square features, combined with very feminine traits that are often subtle but still very noticeable.
It's like they want it to be a man, but a very safe, sensitive, emotional man stripped of his masculinity.

>>3047344
No one cares, this isn't your blog

>>3047360
We're having a mutual discussion, so clearly someone cares. Go cry about your shit taste somewhere else.

>>3047344
They want a guy who is imposing enough to protect them but still docile enough to take care of their offspring instead of moving on.

And by the way don't listen the the jelly shitters OP your art is definitely better than theirs.

>>3045828
I'm still waiting for someone to spam us with their impression of these hands.

>>3047338
He deleted 'cause he's making some money in Pateron now.

Op, would you mind zipping it up and sharing in mediafire or mega with us?

Also, post more of your art. your anatomy style is neat

>>3047362
>We're having a mutual discussion, so clearly someone cares
Apparently not.

>>3047399
I have the penis. I make the rules.

>>3047376
Not really. That would be a traditional male.

>>3047405
Are you schizophrenic?

>>3047402
Not the person you first replied to dumbass.

>>3047404
>traditional male
You mean your old nazi propaganda posters/le wholesome 50's family man/fantasy RPG males or whatnot?

They were never real you dumb /pol/tard.

Oh boy.

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>>3044323
>assuming that's your idea of a good time
y-you too

>>3047411
>You mean your old nazi propaganda posters/le wholesome 50's family man/fantasy RPG males or whatnot?
Do you not see the irony of using stereotypes to ridicule stereotypes?
Also, the idea that there weren't traditional males is incredibly absurd. They've been the norm throughout history, and it's literally built into our DNA, something you'd know if you'd done any research on the subject. How is it even possible to buy into propaganda this hard?

>They were never real you dumb /pol/tard.
I guess all the men in my family aren't real then. My childhood could have been taking right out of that 1950s sausage ad with the wholesome family BBQing in the backyard, and I'm not even American. The same goes for most of my friends.

>>3047409
I fail to see how that's relevant.

Stop clogging the thread, retards. I just want OP's brush.

>>3047427
seconding that

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>>3047423
a lot of the males in classical and renaissance art look quite girly to me

>>3047439
Not my fault you're retarded.

>>3045857
Yes

>>3044323
>>3045845
I mean it is true that males have larger brains but are not smarter than females if we actually count IQ as intelligence

>>3047530
Oh, so the huge ratio of very intelligent males to females is null and void because there's a few more average females than average males?

Tell me, what have those millions of average females accomplished?

>>3045841
probably cause its a style popular with tumblr.

>>3047534
Do you not even realize how unfair the world has been to women throughout the entirety of history? Up until just 50 or so years ago in the western world, and it still remains today in less developed countries. There is no way they would have been able to accomplish much under such circumstances, give them some years at least.

>>3041726
Are you actually supposed to do this while studying anatomy? Like, draw a deltoid muscle 9 times from memory and 9 times from reference? From different angles/positions I suppose? Or just an entire écorché arm 9 times? Sorry I'm a newfag.

>>3047394
bumping this

>>3047621
Some of the most accomplished women in the world became accomplished during "unfair times".

They were also very smart, coincidentally.

Are you really trying to tell me that IQ is a social construct?

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>>3047534
A woman just entered mankind in to the golden age of genetic engineering

>>3048632
An extremely exceptional case sure proves the point that the entirety of the female variety of homo sapiens are on average smarter than the entirety of the male variety of homo sapiens.

>>3048638
To be fair, not all men are born Edisons or Einsteins. One should look at the ratio of idiots in dipshits in humanity in general.

>>3048638
How about the fact that there is a larger portion of females then males entering higher education. Something not seen or heard of since recent times.

>>3047621
>Do you not even realize how unfair the world has been to women throughout the entirety of history?
This old bullshit story again? The world was unfair to everyone. The vast majority of people were effectively slaves relegated to hard labor, and had no chance to move up in society. Being a mother would be a pleasure compared to crippling yourself in the coal mines, toiling in the fields or dying on the battlefield.
Voting didn't even become a thing until the last few centuries, and universal voting rights for men were extremely rare before the late 1800s. Before that, voting was left to wealthy landowners who represented their entire family, and before that, voting didn't exist.

Also, this: >>3048529

>>3048653
>To be fair, not all men are born Edisons or Einsteins.
No, but virtually all the Edisons and Einsteins are male, and there's a reason for that. Men are about 2-3 points ahead of women in IQ, and completely dominate in spatial perception and mathematical ability. Men also have a wider spread in IQ. This doesn't mean much for the average person, but it does mean that there are far more outliers among men than there are among women. When you get to an IQ of 130, there are three men for every woman. At an IQ of 145 (roughly where genius starts), there are 5.5 men for every woman, and the gap just increases as you go up.
Also, I haven't even started to get into personality types, which is another huge reason for the disparity between men and women in different fields.

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>>3048655
That's irrelevant when higher education incorporates idiotic degrees that require no skill, no intelligence and provide no benefit to society. Also, you're not taking into account affirmative action, which ironically benefits women more than it does minorities.
Men still dominate all the meaningful forms of higher education.

>>3048674
>Also, I haven't even started to get into personality types, which is another huge reason for the disparity between men and women in different fields.
I took the official Mensa test online and got 146, do u think it's worth going in and taking the real one?

holy shit this sperging out, women are smarter than men, it's a statistical fact. Get over it lmao

>>3048679
Which test was it? You should check that the standard deviation for the test you took is 15, otherwise that number if worthless. There are a lot of tests that use larger SDs, which means the result you get is inflated.

If you actually got 146 in a proper test, which I honestly doubt you did, it would be almost impossible for you to fail on an official test, which only requires a score of 130.

>>3047338
I've edited his brushes pretty heavily so I'll just send the ones I use when my internet gets back... I don't know about this sketch I did it feels more stiff than the other ones, but idk if that's just me.

>>3048686
>ich test was it? You should check that the standard deviation for the test you took is 15, otherwise that number if worthless. T
I took Raven before and got 130 and then took Mensa and got 146.

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>>3048690
here is the image, it didn't upload.

>>3048691
The Raven IQ test is pretty solid, and is the one Mensa uses in my country.

>>3048676
>implying that education, healtcare and phychology provides no benefit to society.

>>3048711
>implying that education, healtcare and phychology provides no benefit to society.
With the exception of healthcare (which means nurses), these disciplines have been corrupted beyond recognition over the past three decades, partially as a result of how many women there are. This isn't necessarily because of any inherent flaw that women have, but the lack of balance between masculine and feminine qualities in fields that deal with educating, analyzing and shaping the human mind. The problem is aggravated by feminism, as there is little resistance to this indoctrination due to the over-representation of women in psychology and education, where feminist women ironically do exactly what they accuse men of doing.
If you actually read up on psychology and education, and how the post-modernists have corrupted these disciplines, you're going to be genuinely shocked if there's even a single critical bone in your body. Ironically, most of it stems from a single French, male philosopher by the name of Jacques Derrida.

Also, a good chunk of social science and humanities degrees are junk degrees. A lot of mundane work that previously required no degree now requires one, which means that the overall standards for what constitutes a higher degree have been lowered.
I mean, the vast majority of HR employees, paper shufflers and glorified secretaries now require degrees, even if these degrees rarely have anything to do with the actual work itself. There are also a whole slew of newly created government jobs, institutes and civil servant positions that serve little purpose other than pushing ideology and wasting tax money.

Meanwhile, the majority of trades, which don't require degrees, but still provide decent salaries and opportunities for advancement and entrepreneurship, are populated almost exclusively by men. This is one of the reasons there are fewer men at universities, as women simply refuse to do learn a trade.

>>3048753
What do you mena by "these disciplines have been corrupted"?

>>3048774
He means they have become mere mouthpieces for leftist propaganda. Which is true.

>>3048753
I can see the Jordan Peterson influence. What were the books he recommended reading in maps of meaning? I watched it twice but I only remember a few of them.

>>3048778
this just sound insipid

>>3048793
What do you base that on?

>>3048804
I base it on your blanket statement.

>>3048788
I've only watched 6 of his lectures on Personality and some of his interviews. The biggest revelation was the massive influence that Jacques Derrida had on left-wing philosophy. Everything else I've more or less researched myself over the past 15 years or so, long before SJWs and the alt-right were a thing.

My motivation for looking into this to begin with was the result of semester I spent at a liberal college back during the Bush era, where one of the lecturers in Philosophy was a screaming feminist harpy who I constantly got into arguments with. The sheer insanity of that experience made me drop out and get a STEM degree instead. Thankfully, college is free and mostly merit based in my country (women still get bonus points during admission in 130 different studies, including ones where they make up 90% of the students), so the transition was easy.

It's bizarre that it took this long for people to notice what was going on. For over a decade, I felt like I was talking to a wall when trying to explain this to people, but what it actually took to convince them was video games. Zoe Quinn is going to do down in history as our era's Gavrilo Princip.

>>3048808
So, nothing.

>>3048825
Well, the left right dichotomy in it self is insipid.

>>3048821
I really like the smack down of Jacques Derrida that Jordan Peterson did. I'm planning to read 2 of Derrida's books War and Peace, Crime and Punishment and the Greek philosophers this year. (Also the bible) I'm thinking of going into psychology and doing freelance art on the side. Do u guys think that's possible?

>>3048837
>I'm thinking of going into psychology and doing freelance art on the side. Do u guys think that's possible?
No idea. I'm an engineer.

You can expect to be completely surrounded by women though. I think somewhere between 80-90% of psychology students are women, which genuinely makes me fear for the future of mental health.

>>3047534
What the fuck are you even talking about lmao? I was just mentioning averages

>>3048856
Yeah, i've read alot about the state of psychology, it's rotting from the inside out because it's infested by women. I'm really, really concerned.

>>3048674
Huh? It is completely irrelevant wether or not it was "easier" to be a woman than a man back then. My point is that it was harder to accomplish something. Even if you were wealthy, you still weren't even allowed to get an education in most cases as a woman. How are you supposed to become some groundbreaking doctor or author or something then? At least, it has always been a lot easier for men to accomplish.

>>3048529
Your first statement is obvious, of course they did. Obviously "some" of them will have become famous during unfair times because like 95% of human history (at the very least) has been incredibly unfair to women. I don't get the rest, what does IQ being a social construct have to do with anything, I never said that.

>>3048860
I read a fascinating study from the UK a while back. There are more and more women becoming doctors, which has ironically resulted in fewer doctors and fewer specialists.

The found that the reason is that women are less dedicated to medicine as a discipline, and rarely choose to specialize or work overtime. By the time they're 40, a lot of them end up working part time as general practitioners, because the high salaries allow them to live quite comfortably without working full time.
Men on the other hand tend to be career driven workaholics who prefer to specialize and work overtime. It becomes a part of their identity.

The end result is that the UK spends hundreds of millions every year to educate female doctors who rarely end up pulling their weight, which forces the government to import large amounts of foreign doctors to fill the gaps.

It's funny how things work out.

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>>3048882
It is because the narcissist left lets hypocritical feminist theory permeate our society that we fall into these predicaments. It will ultimately ruin western civilization and displace the white majority. We already see this happening. We are on a steady decline from her on out bois.

>this fucking stupid discussion
Go draw you idiots

>>3048690
Thank you m8

>>3048949
No worries dude. Again sorry I'd upload them right away but my internet provider sucks. Do u want me to make a separate post or just update this one? I'll get my internet back on the 11th.

>>3048991
Upload it here, you'll annoy some fags if you open a new thread for no reason, unless that becomes a brush-sharing general.

>>3048864
>>3048882
>>3048837

Why are we arguing for and against gender equality and discussing in a thread about figure drawing?
This thread has really derailed

>>3048837

I would advice against it. Look for a longterm. I would suggest for you to pick something where you can get employment after you finish. Humanities are bad choice.

>>3041726
Do a LOT of small sketches of figures. Once you get proportions down without having to think about them I've found that drawing natural poses comes, well, naturally.

As another anon said, anatomy and figure drawing are different things, but they do inform one another. Having a good sense of anatomy can help understand all the infinite and unpredictable variations in how a figure looks from different angles in different poses. You learn all this in the same way you learn anatomy: Study study study. Just draw what you think a figure should look like/stand like/etc and then compare it with a reference. Rinse, repeat.

So, as I said, draw small figures from head to toe and try to do them fast but accurate. Do this over and over again and you'll improve a lot very quickly.

>>3048882
Do you have that study somewhere?

This is why it's important to learn insertion points.

It's not enough to know the physical form of the muscle. You need to know where it attaches to the skeleton.

You draw the gesture, then lay in a light representation of the skeleton, then you draw the insertion points, then you connect the dots to map the muscle.

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I feel like it's not dynamic enough any tips for this one?.

>>3049973
Nigga, gimme the brush!!!!!!!

About the drawing: The drawing itself is decent, not everything has to be ultra dynamic all the time, but it doesn't really make sense... He looks really calm and relaxed but with the sword unsheathed? Also, what exactly is he trying to do? Doesn't look like he is about to slash someone, or put the sword back in the sheath, but more like a smug golfer who somewhat ended up with a sword instead of the golf club. You should get better reference, get youself a bif mirror or ask family members to pose for you, that kind of stuff.

>>3050148 Agreed. This was just a quick morning sketch I did because I'm trying to do one to three a day. With this one I didn't really try desu Looking back at it the legs and the face are the problem. the face should be angry and the legs should be further apart.

>>3050154
you should start an Instagram dude, alot of people would love to see your progress. plus you have an excellent style

>>3049973
looks like his legs are broken or made out of wet noodles

>>3046869
Don't need to. We are hear to critique.

>>3041726

OP, is it a good idea to trace the image a few times, from reference, and then draw for memory?. Is that what you mean?.

>>3049973
lol for someone who 'learned anatomy very well' why do you literally not know how to draw legs. i just noticed none of your other pictures have legs. maybe start there before drawing crap from memory?

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>>3053298
Don't trace, copy it.

>>3053530
Are you really meaning to upload the brush after tomorrow? OP please