ITT: talentless hacks

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>>3027750
jupp, talentless hack. That's definitely the words to describe the person who painted this at the age of 15.

bait harder.

>>3027757
It's widely accepted by scholars that Picasso's father painted his early works

>>3026222

>>3027760

Proofs?

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kuvshinov ilya

>>3027760
[citation needed]

You're partly right because he didn't produce enough landscapes. I own a book which covers the first thirty years of his output (1882-1912) and can recommend studying those years exclusively. He picks up steam again in his forties, after WWI, but after that it's mainly ugly glamour portraits, etchings and sculptures. He never became a colourist but he never lost his imagination entirely either.

Keep in mind, he entered his seventies in the early 1950's, if he had opted to retire at that time then his catalogue would look very different. But he took on more wives. The tension between striving to idolize women and disassembling their component parts is fascinating but his compositions are inward-looking, very much in step with psychoanalysis.

>>3027779
I like his work but I think that is more technique/style than anything.

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It's such a shame that Picasso wasn't in Spain from 1936-1937.

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>>3027750

>>3027760
>It's widely accepted by scholars on /ic/ that Picasso's father painted his early work

>>3027779
False

>>3027782
> I own a book which covers the first thirty years of his output
can you post that book anon?

>>3027837
>D.W. Griffith

>>3027856
https://www.amazon.com/PICASSO-LANDSCAPES-1890-1912-Maria-Teresa/dp/B001R691QK

It is mostly the Landscapes from 1890-1912, but it is a beautiful book with critical commentary, and it's a unique vantage point on PRP. There are a lot of rough studies and drawings but I don't disregard those things.

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>>3027837
>it's yet another 'lets trigger as many people as possible' compilation
my favorite kind of compilation

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>>3027837
>Elliott Smith
>Half of these people
>"Hacks"

I'M MAD

>>3027779
He's talented, but lazy.
His non traced works are quite good.

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>>3027779
Jean Michel Basquiat, his art is ugly and disgusting.

>>3027750
OP

>>3027837

I actually pretty much agree with this list. I would object a bit with Mike Patton and Michael Gira, but otherwise it's more or less 5/5.

>>3027924
He is talented? Mind explaining? I'm curious, that's all. Also he posts daily, unless you mean he's not pushing himself.

>>3027757
Yeah and he magically became incapable of drawing anything close to that since he left his father's house

MUH STYLE

>>3027750
i don't get how people don't like picasso, it's weird.his paintings aren't hard to understand or anything, they're like the pizza of modern art. is it just a hipster thing? like those people who say shakespeare is overrated?

>>3027837
LMFAO
I wonder who the genius who made this is
POST HIS WORK!

His work must definitely outshine these names and their careers.

Haters will always hate, while those "hacks" enjoy a lifetime of success...and the hater dies unknown, unappreciated, another jizz stain in the fabric of space and time.

>>3027968
/thread

>>3027983
post your genius work you faggot or keep your opinions to yourself until you make that same list by some other unknown who will never make it.

>>3028713
Because it looks like dogshit. There is no aethstic or conceptual deeper meaning to it. It's just bad.

>>3028713
I think it is mostly /ic/ and people with this mentality. They care about hyper realism (anatomy), and fail to accept the fact that many who do surreal or abstract work usually start with realism...the reason they go into surrealism or abstract is because realism is boring and uncreative. it is a display of technical skill, but a printer is much better at it. Surrealism and abstract on the other hand are the thinking outside of the box, which is hard to accept by most of these so-called artists...they are stuck on their realism and it only serves to disguise their lack of creativity. Most of /ic/ sucks when it comes to creativity, they can draw, paint realistically and they think that is what art is. These are the real hacks.

>>3028720
that's incorrect though, that's why i'm confused.

>>3028720
Please, post something with "aesthetic" or "conceptual deeper meaning"...please post your work.

>>3028720
I am not even a fan of Picasso, but I know his work is definitely better than almost everything I have seen here. The fact that he is even being discussed is proof of this. The fact that there are books, collections, auctions and sales is proof f this.

YOU on the other hand, are a no body on /ic/ bitching and moaning like a bitter hater. I bet you wish you were in Picasso's shoes, and it eats you up inside that you waste your life away on your "art" while people love Picasso.

You are probably the last "artist" that should even be spreading your worthless opinions.

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>>3028729
Ok, tell me what makes his art good.

>>3027837
> No Seth MacFarlane
How could he have forgotten the Hack of all Hacks?

>>3028706
He used to do full renders. A lot of his works that got him popular were those. Now he just does like 1 hour sketches everday. Granted some of them are pretty clever in terms of using simple colors/textures to create an interesting effect but it doesn't feel like he's putting in a lot of effort anymore.

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>>3028751
i think it would be a fruitless endeavour trying to convince you

i'll try posting a few of his paintings

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>>3028769

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>>3028774

>>3028751
No faggot, show us your art and convince us how much of a hack he is through your work

>>3027777
he didn't do anything close in the rest of his life...

he actually did a not "batshit crazy" realistic approach later on on some sketches/studies/portraits, and it was absolutly amateurish

>>3027777
Those fucking quads

>>3028769
I'm obviously not talking about his traditional art.

Fact is, I've never been able to find anyone who can say anything positive about the art that he's known for. All they can say is that he was important, which says nothing about his art.

>>3028778
That is honestly some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen anyone hack out on a keyboard.

>>3028786
Keep delaying it faggot.
Only hack artists hate other artists and talk down about their work because of the hacks failure to reach the same level of success.

You only hate Picasso because of his success. I don't like Picasso's work, at all. I don;t follow the guy or collect his work or talk about him (this is the most), but I don;t hate him or his art work because he did his thing, he succeeded where you are failing and your shitty hatred will prevent you from making it anywhere past /ic/, faggot.

If you are going to criticize an artists work, either you show us your works superiority or, shut the fuck up. I mean, who are you and why does your shit opinion matter if you can't show us your superior art work?

>>3028789
Are you autistic by any chance? The idea that you can only dislike someone because you're jealous is so infantile that it's actually hilarious.

I mean, by your logic, I would hate all of the old masters as well, because they were better than me. In fact, I would just hate all renowned artists period.

You really take stupidity to a whole new level, but hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just trolling.

>>3028786
Fuck boy

Dumbest shit because you can't live up to the requirements.

I hate fuck boys like, you're the type of faggot that probably does some shitty art and thinks he is the best. Get's nowhere in life with his shit and hates everyone else that advances as artists. I've met many miserable type suckers like yourself.

And, if you aren't an artist, you just suck at life and hate on someone's success. You're probably the type of faggot that a prostitute would refuse business to. You're the type of guy that dwells in a basement, you probably live with your parents, and they pay for your internet access. Bitch ass nigga.

>>3028777
>>3028774
>>3028769
These are at most mediocre at the time.

>>3028794
Yea right you faggot, that is why you still hail to produce any work that is worth a shit.

Yea assume I am trolling, denial won't change the reality of what I am saying about you.

Cock sucking son of bitch.

>>3028799
Are you doing your best impression of an internet tough guy?
You must be really fucking jealous of me, considering how hard you're raging.

>>3028802
*fail to produce

>>3028803
How can I be jealous of you if I haven't seen your work yet. Make me jealous of you and post your work, homo

>>3028803
That's what I thought
faggot.

>>3028715
kek what are you on?

Ruan jia.

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>>3027757
>>3027777
If you look around in google you can find that picture under both his father and his name. Also do you seriously belive someone could have painted that when later he did thigns like this?

>>3027837
>Miyazaki
You fuckin wot m8?

>>3027750
Off the top of my head:
Noah Bradley
Proko
Ross Tran
Feng Zhu
Boris Vallejo
Genzoman
Dan Warren
Sinix
Sycra
Jeph Jaques
Donato Giancola
Loish
Shadman
Anthony Jones
Slugbox
Reiq
Cryptcrawler
Mike Mignola
Dan Luvisi
(OP)
Algenpfleger

>>3028882
>Sakimichan and Ilya are actually good
Wow

>>3028883
Good point, add them to the list.

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>>3027779
you mean kr0npr1ntz

>>3027837
Who are all the gooks? Manga artists?

>>3028882
Addendum:
Sakimichan
Doxy
Ilya
Jhonen Vasquez
Peter Mohrbacher
Zeronis
Alison Bechdel
Tom Preston
Pendleton Ward
Wojtek Fus
Frank Miller
Tsutomu Nihei

>>3028882
>>3028899
What about Kim Jung Gi

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>>3028882
>>3028899
> that jelly

All this jelly on two slice of whole thread.

>>3028876
hes shit mate
probably the most overrated person on this list.

>>3028783
Oh yeah his digital work pretty mediocre despite his mad traditional skills

>>3028901
Don't embarrass yourself ファム

>>3027760
Name one

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>hurr hurr I could paint better than Picasso

>>3027750
>ITT: talentless hacks
yup, every poster here sure is; myself included

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>>3027750
Picasso wasn't bad, nor was he a one trick pony or any other bullshit allegations. His use of cubism and surrealism was some of the only modern art I like.

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I doubt that his father was painting the 5x7" canvases of his childhood. The funny thing is that most artists advance to produce their best work in their thirties but Picasso entered Cubism and simply got worse. If there hadn't been two world wars, what could he have accomplished?

>>3029221
You must not know much about art history, cause Picasso never really did anything surreal and he stole his whole cubist kick from Braque. I love modernism and a lot of contemporary art but Picasso was a total chucklefuck

>>3027760
It's literally not accepted by a single reputable scholar, you fucking ignorant retard.

>>3028751
Picasso was one of the greatest artists who ever lived. He was a genius and passionate.

His art embodies the spirit of experimental avante garde art. He was an artist who made superb and powerful statements about female beauty, complexity of emotions and perception and art itself - the immemse possibilities for expression through exploration of visual language and style.

He was literally a scientist who smashed particles to find something new.

>>3029341
Blahblahblah--fifth dimension--blahblahhblahh

>>3027777

Quads strike again

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>>3027837

You've got to be the most ultimate, supreme talentless hack to have so much hate and time to make this.

Ibn4 Player Haters Ball

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>>3027757

So at 12 he drew like Raphael and at 15 he was already losing some Neuroplasticity.

>>3027760

He finished some of his father's paintings (at a time where his dad was teaching him), which is probably where that meme originated from.

There are all kind of tales surrounding his youth, and some were spread by him or his family, it was part of the game (his first word was "pencil", my ass).
Less known is the story where his dad cut off his allowance because he was a fucking slacker and missed too many courses - of course we'll explain that by his genius being bored by the teachers' ordinariness.

Still, talentless hack is unfair for Picasso, artists of his time had particular interests and interrogation about art and simply didn't want to paint things like >>3027757 anymore. You can't really explain Guernica by his inability to draw any better.

>>3027750

You want a bullshiter supreme, OP, try Soulages. He pushes it so far that I actually respect the guy for it.

>>3027750
He's pointing at us...

>>3030427
THANK YOU

Someone finally said it.


Btw I find it strange that people thought I wasn't baiting...

>>3030427
>>3031376
i appreciate this thread now! It was a work of art!

>>3030427
>>3031376
genius...archive this as a jpg work of art

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>>3029592
The phrase is that he learned to paint like Raphael after four years, but to paint a certain way means one would also be able to draw a certain way for that end anyway. Draw or paint, Picasso did not and definitely could not paint like Raphael even if we assume that these paintings that are often shown to prove Picasso's youthful genius are indeed by him.

Raphael's art is rich, full of charm, and capable of nobility. The imagery involved are both scholarly and poetical. Picasso's "traditional" paintings are essentially the same as any 19th century genre realism with heavy influence from photography that modernists sometimes refer to when calling "figurative/realistic" paintings an obsolete form of recording reality since photography exists already, or painting in that way is just copying (so why not experiment a little?).

It's funny. Part of the case for Picasso as a worthy artist is that his experimental paintings are a result of his own unique, unteachable genius, yet the quote would deny that Raphael's art is not a result of Raphael's own special genius. Instead it implies it's all in drawing and painting believable forms, nothing more, that someone born centuries later can do the same using different techniques, being immersed in completely different philosophy, and having a different temperament.

>>3031542
>yet the quote would deny that Raphael's art is a result of Raphael's own special genius*

>>3027837
>all men
really makes u think

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>>3031542
>yet the quote would deny that Raphael's art is a result of Raphael's own special genius*

Not really, Picasso only learned how to paint like him, but he did not reach Rapahel's intuitions by himself, which is the true mark of genius of Raphael (and which is why you would not put him in the same rank of his imitators). Picasso merely internalized his results, which, as the quote suggests, it was not a great achievement in itself. What he cared about instead was honesty and freedom, and the ability to convey one's personal view in the most essential and emblematic way.

It's a slander against imitation, it's not meant to disrespect Rapahel (Picasso was very fond of him).

>>3031376
Oh shit that's what OP meant by ITT: this whole time.

>>3031626
But he didn't learn how to paint like Raphael. Not in any way that the phrase still means anything. Meaningless to the point that any other old master's name would have sufficed, and even then, other names would have been more fitting. He learned to paint like 19th century Realists.

A half decent photo-copying contemporary painter could just as validly say that he has learned to paint like Raphael.

I don't know what you mean by internalizing result. The only ways that "learned to paint like Raphael" makes sense is either one means he learned to paint figures and whatever well, or that he has actually tried to reborn the spirit of Raphael in his art in all earnestness.

>>3027750
>If I keep staring ahead like this they'll think I know what I'm doing

>>3028882
>Noah Bradley
Nah m8.
Some of his works are really cool.
>Tsutomu Nihei
Nevermind it was just a huge bait.

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>>3031626
Gibberish.

>>3031542
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>>3031626
>>3031675
>>3031688
>>3031766
>>3031776

please refer back to

>>3030427
>>3031376
>>3031629

>>3027750
You are a genius.

>>3027837
Shoot every direction, one of the shots is going to hit, right?
Gonna bite one so you feel happy
>Miyazaki
He's an asshole, but he's a genious, both in the creative and business way.

>>3027837

>All those japanese people

fuck off weeabo.

>>3027837
I actually agree with almost all of this list.

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>>3027837
>Anno

>>3028882
sinix, loish, algenpfleger, proko, feng zhu are all pretty good. stylewise i dont like all of their art (and proko is pretty much only good at his hardcore fundie shit) but otherwise they seem to at least be passionate and actually study art and give a shit.

>sycra, ross, shadman, genzoman

alright, those are genuine garbage hacks. not entirely sure about the other ones since my brain isnt a library for c list e-celeb artists.

>>3028899
>mohrbacher on a list with tom preston

please man we know you live in a small room in your parents basement full of pee filled energy drink bottles.

>>3031852
Shut the fuck up. Just because OP memed doesn't mean that we didn't know it was bait and that the artists mentioned in this thread aren't hacks. OP (You) is a talentless hack.

>>3027837
Kek, lost on Kanye West.

>>3027750
irakli nadar.

>>3035311
you mad you, fucking flaccid pussy faggot

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>>3027779

>>3029305
> he stole his whole cubist kick from Braque

iirc they were both in group when they started cubism, except pablo actually did something with it.

>>3034671
Sinix doesn't believe in studying, it's all imagination bro.

>>3036843
Did you even watch the sketchbook episodes?
Also:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXkcItPIeM

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>>3027924
>His non traced works are quite good.

No they really aren't.

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This nigger

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Not just was his work literal garbage, he accidentally ruined culture by inspiring mediocrity. I dare say if this man never existed all forms of media would be more mature, and artists today would paint like the old masters. This man indirectly inspired every artist you hate.

>>3027837
Put Tarkovsky on there.

>>3028996
omg this is amazing

>>3028723
Art has such a long history bound up in practise and practice of the craft, of acquiring skills and using them to create something Normies drop their jaws over. Now realism is no longer valued by itself, yet most of our art heroes did precisely what we are expected to go beyond, with no indication of which way is the right way forward.

I'm reading Young Mr. Turner: The First Forty Years, and the quality and application to his work is huge. Yet by the end of his life, he'd alienated most of his buyers by going all avant-guard. Most probably, Turner today would be using acrylics, and making the stuff a lot of us on here dismiss.

tl;dr, it's good /ic/ values classical realism, but we also need to create for the time we're living in.

>>3039855
> but we also need to create for the time we're living in.

so you mean, we should be drawing more plastic anime elfs with big boobs, robots and bald space marines

got it

>>3028729
>The fact that he is even being discussed is proof of this. The fact that there are books, collections, auctions and sales is proof f this.
I like Picasso and all, but this is false. Your logic is flawed. There are numerous examples of bad work that's popular and sells, and is discussed.

>>3027750
Being called a talentless hack on a board that focuses on drawing hentai or fantasy shit is a good thing i would say

>>3027750
Of course he is talentless
We are all born talentless, he became popular by hard work

>>3028899
>tom Preston
I forgot about that faggot

>>3040816
>We are all born talentless
I call bullshit

>>3031376
KEK