Art feels thread

Everything leads back to fundies eventually, nothing more to it.

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>>3027681
>Uploaded a serious piece
>No like

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>>3027685

Whenever I put stuff on tumblr the stuff I'm really proud of flops and my halfassed sketches get lots of notes.

>>3027697
Tumblr doesn't care about anything other than novelty.

Remember that volatile short-lived attention is not money or clients. It is just a quick ego stroke and maybe making a reliable digital footprint to push future branding, that's it.

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>Post something different than I do usually
>Lose 500 followers

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>Be me
>Need to pee but holding in cuz im drawing
>After an hour finally go toilet
>Start to pee and dick feels extremely hot, especially at the tip
>Hurts to pee and literally try to push the pee out
>Look at my penis and no more pee is coming out of it
>Make sure about it and grab toiletpaper to clean it so my undies wont get wet
>Put dick in undies
>New pee suddenly comes out that was impossible to hold in
>Have to change my undies again
>Lose all will to get back to drawing
FUCK THIS SHIT

>>3027745
It shouldn't hurt to pee regardless if you were holding it in, see a doctor.

>>3027751
im a virgin, i doubt something is wrong with it

>>3027745
yeah this doesnt seem like a normal problem

>>3027745
Drink more water and stop peeing your pants you triple sissy.

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>>3027753
Lmao you imbecile, you can still get diseases without having sex

>>3027745
I was wondering why you wouldn't just stay on the toilet
That happened to me after holding it for a 9 hr flight, but I'm a girl so I could just sit on the toilet for a few minutes.

>>3027753
Guys can get UTIs too

>>3027753

You can still get balantis, UTI, fungal infections, or in worse case scenario bladder problems that need medical attention.

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>Find bundles of sketchbooks from my pre-/ic/ high school days
>See pages and pages of cool shit I thought up and drew on the spot
>mfw I realize the grind made me forget why drawing was fun to begin with

>>3028088
Holy shit, this. How do we remember?

>>3028098
>How do we remember?
I moved what I was impressed with to my desk for easy access. Back then I took notes and saved everything, so there's plenty to look through.
Maybe if I learn as much as I can about my former self through memories and studies, I'll figure out what's missing now.

At a glance, it looks like I was eventually so engrossed in improving to be like my favorite artists, that I became excessively critical of myself.
I drew what I wanted to less, and instead grinded studies more to satisfy my high standards. Since these studies were hardly applied, all I got was a loop of dissatisfaction and redundant "learning".

>tfw you can't tell if blog posters are just memeing you

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>>3028276
If you're referring to >>3028268 , I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.
On a board infested with memers and parrots, I don't blame you for feeling skeptical.

>>3027710

I don't even have 500 followers to lose

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>>3027892
Not that anon but are you jesting?

I must be as clean as a fucking lettuce.

>tfw trying to make it as a fucking furry porn artist
>always working on commissions, never personal stuff
>customers love how fast I work and how often I put out work so I can't stop now
>never put full effort into commissions because I hate it and I don't charge enough for it to be worth it
>wondering what my full abilities are like after months of doing this
I'm probably stagnating like hell but at least I've gotten better at line art. It's too bad I don't give a shit about line art in my personal works though.

>>3028088
>tfw all your old art is of shitty emo oc's and you can't take inspo from them

>>3028317
I'm referring to people who post

>blog?

>>3027745
You have an infection in the urethra. Stop drinking coffee and alcohol and go to a doctor as soon as you can,

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>>3027681

>>3028098
Study your own imagination for 2 months

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>tfw when draw porn but also study art on the side like I should
>people start praising certain pieces for being better then the last
>Started avoiding uploading art in fear of disappointing the small group of followers I have
>end up taking way longer then any other artist to fulfill requests
>Spend weeks studying and practicing
>It's never good enough

Never gonna make it

>>3029597
You don't have to think it's good enough to show it, your followers know how good you are and that you can't get worse.

>>3027681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPb7g_BlXQ

>>3029601
You might be right anon

>>3027881
top kek

fuckin triple sissy, damn fambalam that was good shit home slice. you my white nigga.

>>3028088
i know what you mean. its a bad bad feeling that kills me allday everyday.

>>3029276
:/

>>3027697
>>3027685
>>3027681
Nice personal blog you have here, mind if I post in it? Faggot.

HOW DO I HANDS

I CAN DO FACE

I CAN DO HAIR

I CAN DO TORSO

I CAN DO LEGS

I CAN DO FEET

HOW DO I HANDS

>>3031308
YOU NO DO HANDS

MORE DO HANDS

NOW YOU CAN DO HANDS

>>3027681
>It's not perfect but...
Why do people even bother to say this? That goes without saying. At best it's just a banality. More often than that it's a vague backhanded insult, not a criticism, while often simultaneously saying you like the work or think it's good. It's just saying

>Yeah I like it but not /that/ much
Stop being a bitch who thinks they're too cool to praise something without compromise.

I'll be honest, this really gets under my skin more than it should, not only when it's directed at me. It's so often meant to be praise overall but it's just this one tacked on phrase that serves to take away from the praise. Why? Really just why?

>>3031308
LOOK UP PROKO

HE DOING HANDS VIDEOS RIGHT NOW

U ARE MISSING THEM, Y STILL HERE? GO GO.

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>get a goood contract a few months from graduating college
>it's potentially worth 5000 dollars, my dream job, doing drawings for video games
>a few weeks in we start a new job within this contract for me
>every time I submit work they tell me it looks "weird", "arms are too short", "face doesn't look right" etc.
>basically I suck at drawing and they believed in me enough to pay me and here I am disappointing them and myself

>I quit my day job because this contract paid better
>now I'm afraid I'm going to lose it and I'm losing money because its taking more time than I thought

Feelsbadman

Not only that, I was one of the better drawers in my university, probably in the top 3 but it was only because they barely taught you how to draw.
Anytime I would ask for help my teachers would literally tell me that I could draw well and shouldn't be too hard on myself instead of actually teaching me.
Thought they must be right so I started putting myself out there.

Now it's back to the grind...

>>3031980
You should tell this to the students still in your college

>>3028088
Same
>started "proper" academic approach because of Teal advices
>3 years later
>can't draw cute shit
>can't draw realistic shit
>don't have any ideas
>hate drawing
Meanwhile anons who start learning how to draw from anime books are successful now.

>>3031980
post your work

>>3031980
if they already saw what you could do, they choosed you because they believed they can teach you, now learn and don't disappoint them

>>3031980
Worst fear.
>get job
>can't fucking do it
>quit on own incompetence

>>3032001
I'm really tempted to. I actually tried to kind of warn them beforehand cause I knew it was going to be rough, I didn't really foresee this happening though.
I kind of want to tell my teachers too to be a dick. When they hugboxed us it wasn't because they cared or didn't want to hurt our feelings, it was because they didn't want us to complain about our grades and get fired so they gave everyone A's, C's at the worst.
>>3032197
): They're very nice and they seem like they don't mind too much I guess. They are very patient. I'm sure they didn't want to "teach" me though, they expected me to able to get shit done.

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>>3031980
>>every time I submit work they tell me it looks "weird", "arms are too short", "face doesn't look right" etc.
>>basically I suck at drawing and they believed in me enough to pay me and here I am disappointing them and myself
>little critiques on your art are getting to you
Listen, man. I understand having someone nitpick your art is really taxing on the mind sometimes, especially when you're so motivated to do a job you love. Although you need to remember that this art project is not for YOU, your skills as an artist are for someone else's video game and they knew you're skilled enough to do it. The best you can do is ask them what can be changed in your art to better suit what they need. When they give you soft critiques like "it looks weird", "the arms are too short", or "the face doesn't look right"; try asking in return "what can be done?"
The art is drawn by your hands, but is in ownership of their project. Make the best out of it, start drawing swiftly, and make absolute sure you fit their needs, and ask for strong feedback.
I've been an animator for a long time, and the worst thing about the industry is people giving vague critiques on something you've done with just a "it looks weird :/" response. Even then, I've had luck asking them "what do you think i can do to fix it?"
Feedback and communication man. Focus on it

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>>3027681
just how does one find a gal to improve with and flatter one another's progress?!

>>3032962
As long as you work hard, you will find the one, anon. But you have to work hard and not pussy out.

>>3032964
Thank you kindly I presume, I'm doing my best.
Afterall what wouldn't we do for them.
I just don't know how or where to look anymore, I haven't meet anyone in forever and everyone from the past has long gone their own direction.
please help
although first and foremost I'd rather wish you the best of happiness and fulfillment as well

>>3032968
They'll come to you, every gal likes a passionate hard working fella with aspirations. Don't think too much on it and continue on and spread your dreams. Eventually it'll happen before you know it. Thanks for the wishes, it's rare that you meet someone on /ic/ who does this. Best of wishes to you too, anon. You'll be just fine.

>>3032970
Whatever the case might be, likewise anon and godspeed with whatever's to your heart's desire.

>>3032961
Thanks anon, you're right, I needed that. Communication is key, I don't want to complain anymore but that's kind of one of the problems; English is not their first language. I'll have to just work around it though.

>want to release images more frequently
>tfw scared you'll run out of ideas

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> *normie spills water all over my drawings*
>sorry :)
>it's not like you can't make them again right?
Why why don't they understand

>>3038509
It's just a drawing bro

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>>3038511
But it was *my drawing* anon

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>power outage
>the last time I hit ctrl+s was an hour ago

>>3038512
H-how can I repay you

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>>3038536
You can't it's gone 4ever

>>3027681
>Ask for crit
>no replies

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>>3031308
WITH BLOBS

I have paresthesia (which the internet can never agree how to spell properly, it seems), so very often (and randomly) will I get pain in my limbs. Of course this includes the drawing hand and arms. It feels like needles are poking me and it's actually quite painful.

There are four spots in my right (drawing) hand and arm that flare up, as well... From something undiagnosed and unrelated. One between my thumb and forefinger, one about four inches up the arm, one on the other side of that particular spot, and the other in the middle of the two... But further up. Kind of a cross shape going on. It feels like someone is pinching the bone, it's uncomfortable as fuck and it becomes very difficult to draw.

Hence, my work can look sloppy. My line-work suffers the most from it. I animate and am ready to start production on a short next year... However, most of the time I rush through things because otherwise I wouldn't get anything done. So things don't look how they should.

I don't really consider myself an artist, or that great of an animator, but I do think I'm a pretty damn good storyteller. Hopefully that will come through despite the wonky proportions and shaky line work.

>>3032962
>>3032964
>>3032970
Not true at all depending on what field you're in. I've been to many concept art classes and they are literally filled with all guys. If you want to meet girls in art you might have better luck in figure drawing or traditional painting places.

>>3040789
Teach me how to be a good storyteller, anon.

>>3027745
Dude go to the doctor, Jesus

>been drawing for years
>have decent following
>get dat commish $$$
>notice that I have to take breaks a lot more often
>wrist burns, gets stiff a lot more, goes numb randomly, wake up to both my hands being totally numb
>talk to doctor
>tells me I have carpal tunnel and will need surgery easily within the next couple years

Well this sucks. Has anyone had the surgery?

>>3040844
Have you tried changing the way you take your pencil?

>>3040856
Yeah, I'll have a different grip at the beginning, but once I get into the drawing I unconsciously switch back to my normal grip. I also find myself gripping the pencil tighter to compensate for the loss of feeling while I'm drawing and that's just making things worse, I'm starting to cramp really badly after an hour or two.

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>trying to draw an image every week
>this weeks image is turning out like shit and I don't know if I can salvage it

>>3040829
What kind of story do you want to tell?

>>3040898
That's fine, don't be afraid to suck once in awhile.

>>3029660

It's an art feels thread you fucking autist, it's literally the point.

I FUCKING SUCK SO MUCH

I POSTED AND IMAGE IN THE BEGINNER THREAD OF ME TRYING TO PUT THE LOOMIS FRAME ONTO A REAL LIFE PERSON SO I CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD FIT ON A PERSON AND I POSTED IT TO SEE QHAT I WAS DOING WRONG BUT EVERYONE THOUGHT I WAS RETARDED

I WANT TO B GOOD BUTIM DUMBER THAN ALL THE OTHER HUMANS WHY WASI BORN THIS WAY

>>3040898
>>3040918
Drop it and move on, but try and figure out why you think it sucks so you can avoid the same mistake in the future.

>>3040982
anon just draw that frame by its self its used to teach you how to draw poses from imagination.. also work on your lines. i can see what you were going for with that. but it wont help you to draw it over a picture of a person. learn your fundies and you will get better, then you can apply them to the loomis mannequin. dont beat yourself up and become one of these feels fags. you would only be wasting time. *hug*

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>>3040982

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>>3040997
>>3041003

>>3041105
also those people were just being critical you have to be willing to take it in a non harsh way.even if they are being overly mean/ they weren't even being mean from what i read. but do be prepared for that if it happens . just disregard shitposting section and take the advice that they gave you.
the lesson dont get over emotional when some anons criticize you.
keep trying show them up much later.

one more thing . have you done fun with a pencil by loomis? if not you should do that first before figure drawing . it will teach you the basics of loomis' methods and will build the foundation for understanding the figure drawing book. also do draw-a-box it will help your line confidence.

>>3040916
I'm not really sure, does it matter?

>>3041226
um yeah... if your story cant be summed up in 1 sentence then you dont have a story.

>>3041226
You need a story to actually tell before you can be a storyteller, anon. What interests you?

>>3041122
I do sketchy lines when im sketching but nice lines when i go overtop stuff

>things going great
>drawing every day
>suddenly don't feel like drawing

HELP ME

>>3041983
I know that feel. I've been drawing every day for the past few months, even when I was tired as fuck. then I took a break for a day and it's harder to come back. I only drew for an hour today, it used to be much more.

Take off your wifi

>>3041679
Confident linework in preliminary sketch is better than adding it in later on top of chickenscratch.
You want your linework to be dynamic, clean, it should show you know, through your studies, where the line should go before you put your pen to the paper.

>>3040844
How old are you? I'm 20 and I've got the same problems with my right hand.

>>finally finish a painting
>>looks good. you feel like you can make it with this progress!
>>go to sleep and look at it again the next day
>>it actually looks terrible. you try to correct things and it just keeps getting worse
>>now you think it's shit and never want to look at it again
>>despair sinks in. you feel like you are never going to make it.

the ups and downs of trying to improve make me want to tear my hair out sometimes.

>>3042303
Remember to turn that zetsubou into kibou

>>3028088
biggest flaw. I feel like I regressed creatively while working on technique alone

>>3041995
What if i aint really know where to put it because thats why i chicky scratch

>made a twitter instead of a tumblr but end up too scared to post anything non-art related
Should have just made a tumblr, I just wanted to have more friends to talk to

>>3042611
So you have to practice, with confident linework, till you're actually confident

>start learning
>read on /ic/2 to 4 hours a day is good
>school and life get in the way cutting it down to an hour maybe hour 30 mins at most
>look at mountain of work ahead
>school will never let up
>quit
Repeat once or twice
I will never draw

>>3027697
sketches, despite what /ic/ seems to think, are more aesthetically pleasing to the average normie

>>3028098
>>3028268
you need innocence and theres no way to gain that back anons

>>3027681

When you do art, you feel like a childish idiot that's wasting their life doodling in vain instead of getting realistic things done

Bu then you do anything else, you feel like you're wasting time that could be spent pursuing art

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>will never be able to get dream job
>mental illness hit me hard
>at least if I dont take my pills for a few days I can grind on art
>if I don't take my pills though I think the tv is talking to me
>neet bux on disability so I can buy art shit
>art is slowly getting worse

fuck schizophrenia

>>3027681
when people worse than you get followers more easily...

and YES, I AM already communicating with others online to gain a decent following, thank you very much.

>>3043092
>tfw you're worse than other artists but still have a chance at getting more followers than them

It's a decent feel

>>3043092
Maybe they aren't worse than you, and you're just a dunning Kruger?

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>when you think you're improving and getting somewhere but then you see some amazing masterwork piece of art from an artist younger than you, more famous than you, prettier than you and way, way, way wealthier than you currently and from the start.

why was i even born bro's?

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>>3043406
We were made to suffer anon, till the day we die.

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>when the Dunning Kruger starts to wear off and you realize how shit your art is

>>3043431
Do you people just make up terms to fuck with me? Like, I had never heard of "Gaslighting" before you people started saying it every other hour. Same thing for this Dunning Kruger shit. Not once in my life had I heard about it until 7 months ago when this game started.

And you people like to use that term a lot as an argument. That's not an argument. It's basically name calling. Instead of saying "You're stupid, you don't know what you're talking about!" you fags say "Dunning Kruger much?" as if saying it makes you the smarter one. The ironing is fucking thicc.

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>>3043406
Living is suffering anon, you must accept and overcome it

>>3043437
Calm down my autismo child, just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exit

>>3043437
You've never heard of gaslighting before?

Seriously?

Like, REALLY?

I don't think you're old enough to be here.

>>3043437
>>3043431
>Dunning Kruger
What the fuck is that

>>3043488
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>>3043491
Oh, that.
I usually just call that delusion.

>>3043437
>Gaslighting
>tfw google this and realize this is what people do to you
Holy shit.

>>3042700
Twitter should be okay to post non-art things too, if enough of your followers complain, you can just create an art only twitter then.

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>repeatedly ask for crit, receive some good feedback
>the few times you don't, person even shittier than you makes vague passive aggressive comments to imply something looks bad but not what or how it could be better

why are you doing this

>only feel content when I'm drawing
>every moment of everyday that I'm not I feel guilty for not drawing
Even when I'm doing something necessary like eating or bathing I can't help but think "I should be drawing right now. I'm wasting my time."

>>3044444
Cus 4chan

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>draw heads
>a shit
>read Loomis
>draw heads
>a shit
>read anatomy for artists
>draw heads
>a shit
>watch Master Vilppu lectures on heads
>draw heads
>it's kinda okay, notwantingtoclawmyeyesout/10

Now to the same grind with hands. But I really recommend watching Vilppu's lectures. They made so many things click at once, which other methods really didn't clearly cover.

>>3044462
yeah i get this one some times. and i draw like all the time already. i'm not too worried about it though.

>>3044444
Checked

>>3043437
Sounds like the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon

>>3044699
Could you please post some of them?

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>>3045020
https://mega.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA!GFYQiIqA

Hope I won't regret this, though I already have the stuff I'm most interested in downloaded. I'd normally tell you to search with x or y in archives but that didn't work even with the words and typos used in the archived post. There's also plenty of other valuable material in there.

Just don't forget it's meant to complement all the stuff you've already learned, not to replace it. Good luck anon.

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>>3045196
[spoiler]I actually meant you should post some of the heads you've drawn[/spoiler]

I'm still saving these though for the future though so thank you!

>>3027681
>ask for crit
>"it's good"
RREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>3028098
just draw stupid shit, no matter how stupid it is. Giant robot piloted by a bear in a nazi uniform shooting rockets? Why not. The whole reason I wanted to get good in the first place is so I could draw arbitrary shit like that to a level I'm happy with. Also comics. My dream job as a kid was a comic book artist and I kind of gave up on the idea until more recently. I have a ways to go but it doesn't seem impossible anymore.

>>3044444
>get insane repeating digits
>nobody responds to your post seriously

The ultimate in 4chan feels.

>tfw can't draw two characters interacting with eachother

>>3042037
24, if it's getting bad go to the doc and have some nerve testing done, it sucks but it'll tell you how bad your wrist is. I started wearing a wrist brace when I sleep, it helps curb how sore it is and stop it from going totally numb during the night
Shit sucks though, the only real cure is surgery

>>3043437
How have you never heard of gaslighting? Haven't you taken psych 101 by now or is it just summery in here?

>>3045235
To be fair; sometimes there's really nothing to say. Especially if it's stylized,

>want to get faster at drawing
>want to break out of comfort zone and improve
>can't do both

I think I'm getting a bit better but it still takes me hours to do a decent sketch

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>>3045386
There's nothing that gets me more than people posting shit like pic related and asking for critique.

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>when you inspire a better artist to redraw your ideas

>>3027753
A virgin? Really?

>getting hundreds of notes every day
>literally not one follower in weeks

>>3027681
>tfw occasional drawer
>never see a nude girl
>find a crazy "modern artist" 9/10 dyke
>ask her to pose nude
>she told me yes

I'm still at third week of work anon, i hope she allow me to lick her amps after all the time working together.

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I don't like drawing for a living. All my drawing time becomes work time and the time I'm not working I feel guilty because I could be earning money.

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>>3027681
>been drawing for +10 years, getting "serious" on the last four
>finally find my style and focus on it
>draw stylized art with flowers, autistically detailed dresses, and ocassionaly romantic shoujo art
>open deviantart account 2 years ago
>people creams over my work, deviant stats show +100 downloads of my pics despite having just a few watchers
>...but hardly get over 30 favs even when sharing my work on multiple groups
>open a fb page, being hella active there, it's been almost a year and I don't even have 500 likes
>...but yet people always stops to tell me how detailed and beautiful my shit is

I don't get it, everytime someone tells me "you should be have more watchers/followers/likes" I want to swear. I know it's stupid to cry over this, it's just that I don't know how the hell people becomes noticeable. I'm looking to get some extra money with my art, even more novice artists get easily popular and I just got passed by.
Also some of my artist friends have told me that they used to look up to me and felt... intimidated? to approach me. Which is ironic and makes me feel retarded because I'm the one who doesn't feel good enough to get notoriety. Could it be that I have zero charisma and people just doesn't feel any connection/attraction/whatever to me, hence they pass by my art? A friend suggested me to post WIPs and studies to not seem so "polished and perfect" and seem more approachable.

Sorry for the blog, I feel frustrated.

>>3042954
Sketches are more pleasing than badly polished pieces

>>3042994
Market your schizophrenia to people who think a mental illness makes you artistic.

One one hand, those people don't care what you produce so long as you make your art "relatable" to your disease. And two, that shit's gonna fuck your life up anyway, might as well take advantage of it and milk it.

>>3047414
Blog?

>>3042994
How about you say "Fuck you" to the tv and draw the shit about it? No one is cucking you without putting up a fight.

>>3047414
Rush?

>>3027683
fpbp

>>3047414
draw porn. hth

>just want to draw fanart, not exactly high ambitions
>autistically enjoy inking things
>can't draw aesthetic faces for the life of me
>keep reverting to shitty attempted full realism
>just want to draw cute desu shit
>would feel bad about shamelessly copying an artist I like

I'm going to just start copying other styles. I hate how I naturally stylize.

Screw everything. I can't take realism studies and just derive an aesthetic style from it. How do you do that, fucking magic?

>>3032007

This. Thanks for nothing, /ic/. Everytime I come here I lose all motivation and start to hate drawing.

>making good progress, drawing everyday
>decide to ask /ic/ for a crit
>want to kill myself afterwards
>every time

>>3042700

dumblr is unironically a good platform for art. It has a clean, fast interface unlike some shit like DA or CA.

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>tfw no artist gf who can support you, push you when necessary and can learn and grow with
>only social contact i have is you guys

>tfw vandweller due to lack of money/job/anything (trying to get jobs, hit with that "lack of experience" wall)
>can only get internet access in coffee shops and libraries
>hate drawing in public
>tell myself it shouldn't matter and to just ignore the people
>autism flares up, minimize screen anytime someone walks by, can't relax, can't focus
>digital-only pig (even if I went traditional I would still want references)
>laptop battery lasts 4 hours max
>no data on phone

What do? I saw someone using their laptop in the park and I want to try that, but I only have 4 hours battery, and not sure if I would get mugged. It's a pretty okay area but still, I don't like flashing a thousand dollars worth of tech in public. I only know of a few indoor places where I can have my back to the wall so no one can see my screen, and often those seats are simply taken. Other than getting a job and apartment, what should I do? Are there places I can go and be left the hell alone?

There is a university (two actually) within walking distance, but I'm not a student at either and obviously have no friends. I look college-age, though. Can I just walk in and use their libraries? At my university you couldn't access the wifi unless you had a login, but I'm not sure if that's the norm. Keep in mind I'm socially retarded.

I don't even mind living in a van, but I want a place I have both privacy and internet access, god damn it. I don't want anyone to talk to me. "ooh what'cha drawing, ohh why is she naked (referring to base figure pre-clothing stage), ooh draw me please lolol."

>>3047909
just go tradfag, the references thing is just an excuse you tell yourself. you literally have references all around you, the people, the trees, the cars, the buildings. drawing from life is more useful practice than photos anyway. you can take a pencil and paper anywhere.

people love the romantic hobo artist who draws amazing things in his sketchbook. an expensive laptop shatters that image. maybe once you gain enough confidence you can become like those street artists who draw people's portraits and earn money that way

>>3042703
Okay but how tho

>>3047950

I like working with color, though. You've never had that experience where you are trying to draw something and just can't get it right and you need to look up a reference? It drives me nuts. I mean, I'll try it, I guess just do studies in the library where there is internet. I don't feel as self conscious when people see a study rather than my personal work.

I mean, I guess. Need to figure out where I put my pens... Really need to clean and organize the fucking van but I have to drive it to the walmart and use their parking lot for that. Normies would throw a fuss if I did it in front of their house...

>romantic hobo

I don't look at all like a hobo. Stealth bby

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>use a ref
>feel like it's cheating and I should just go back to studying if I can't draw something
>remind myself photobashing exists
>just feel like I'm making excuses for myself
>haven't finished a piece in a month

>>3029276
is that from Blues Clues?

>>3038509
i would beat the shit out of him

>>3027745
You forgot how to use a toilet
back to diapers for you.

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>stalk a client that's not replying to emails
>find her twitter
>she's really cute

>>3027685
I noticed that as well. Pieces where I spend hours and really tried hard always got less likes than quick works where I stayed in my comfort zone.

The explenation is quite simple though: If an artwork is easy for you, chances are that you're somewhat proficient in what you created. So don't let missing feedback on your efforts take you down. The experience you gained in finishing that piece makes up for the trouble, and who knows, maybe your next big work will get the recognition you feel it deserves.

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>>3045628
go check the /beg/ right now

>>3048483
However harsh they may have come over to you. They all are right in a way.

-The messy lines are very distracting (mostly on the chin and face). This also gives the impression that you don't even take the time to do stuff properly like an anon in the other thread said.
- It really does look like your typical Tumblr style, it would not stand out from the crowd.


Also, going to another thread and saying "Hey xd, go look at those faggots haha ecksdee amirite." Is pretty sad.

>>3047856
desu sounds like a terrible fucking deal for the girl

>>3048492
You think it's sad, I think it's worth bashing that horrible thing out of their fucking heads. That anon can easily go to tumblr for "critique" on this bullshit. Are we really gonna critique and not judge tumblr art now?

>>3048492
I doubt that beginner is gonna swing by here, so go post in the /beg/.

>>3048501
Whatever makes you feel better about your own shortcomings, anon.

>>3048492 is right. It's fine to bash them in their respective thread but taking it across the board (unless it's meme material) it not only a petty thing to do, but also annoying for those who were not involved in the original conversation. It's one step away from name faggoty.

>>3048501

Sorry, I thought you were the anon who posted that picture and went to this thread because he didn't get his way in /beg/. Which would be sad, not the bashing thing

>>3048494
why?

>>3048506
And what might those be anon? Care to elaborate or are you talking out of your ass?

>>3048618
Supporting a neet who will most likely get ansolutely nowhere and is socially impaired. Gee I wonder why

>>3048685
Girls have worked with far worse.

>>3048689
So what just because theres worse it magically makes this situation good? Not how it works anon

>>3048698
I don't really care if I'm not alpha prime, I still wish I had an art gf.

>>3047414
Not many artists, I think, get noticed for skill. Now, technical skill is irreplaceable and unbeatable... In the workplace. As far as tumblr and commissions, charisma and subject matter matters. I know that I would sooner follow the dude drawing cute doodles than the masterfully done painting. We can't judge until we see what you've done, though.

>>3048700
just sayin'
fix yourself up a bit and you might yet find one

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>>3049229
I just want an artist gf without doing all the fucking work like some kind of desperate fag who goes WAY out of his way to try to attract and impress women through his dress, body, shoes, hair, pickup lines and whatever the fuck he believes he needs to train himself for just to land a one fucking girl who happens to be an artist.

>inb4 more advice that you need to tryhard and lift and earn 6 figs and whatever fucking else to "get a girl"

>>3049236
It will happen one day. Or not. Who cares really. Draws > wamen desu.

>>3027685

Same.
I made Sonic related stuff, very sketchy and simple, I got more than 400 notes for it, then made something more serious, out of my comfort zone... Got 6 notes in it.

>>3048683
Are you seriously implying you have no flaws and aren't struggling with anything?
Look, even if you would be great at art (which I doubt) you'd still be an asshole for going out of your way to shit on some nobody for no reason.

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>>3027681
>spend 15 hours on a piece
>post in art group and ask for critique
>get told there are "some issues" and that my work "has potential" instead of pointing out anything specifically
>get useless shitty asspat compliments

>>3049236
Why do you want an artist gf?
>and impress women through his dress, body, shoes, hair
You imply as if it's a bad thing to upkeep your hygiene and have decent fashion sense.

>>3049236
If you're not prepared to put in any work, you can still get a girl that doesn't put in any work either. Plenty of girls with severe mental illnesses or physical problems that nobody else wants to look at to go around, anon. Perhaps one of them draws too. Probably not very well and not very focussed on actually improving though, if they don't even know how to properly take care of themselves.

>>3049236
>I just want to be able to draw well without doing all the fucking work like some kind of desperate fag who goes WAY out of his way to train his skills through learning perspective, appeal, light and whatever the fuck he believes he needs to study for just to draw bland space muhreens and dragons which happens to not look like dogshit

>inb4 more advice that you need to read books and apply yourself and whatever fucking else to "git gud"

>>3049696
my experiences with asking for critique

>me: hey guys what can I fix
>art friends: why are you drawing like that?
>me: wait...like what?
>art friends: like THAT!
>me: I don't know what you're talking about can you at least point out what it is specifically.
>art friends: also your colours are all wrong
>How?
>art friends: they just are, you should know better than this.
>me: but I don't, I can't see it, help me!

>>3049705
Get better art friends. Or better, no friends.

>>3049696
Well a lot of people actually don't know what to point out probably because they just don't know shit about art. Some people just draw what they think is right as long as it's pleasing.

Anyway, just say you don't mind harsh but constructive criticism. Ask what part of your piece needs improvement.

Just bought ten Copic Sketch markers and three refills for $50.

Feels fucking good man.

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>tfw I just found my favorite artists collection of his sketchs and final works
>tfw it took him 7 years to get from /beg/ tier to extremely fucking good

>>3044990
underrated

>>3045196
well, this is a perfect drawing
>obsessing about becoming good at drawing as an excuse to avoid committing to relationships

>>3049765
Link? I want to see dem realistic improvements.

>>3049725
sometimes i feel the urge to post my work here just to get shit on constructively but i fear to be recognized by some shithead i know are lurking on these boards

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>finally got to the point where I can eyeball shit
>flip the canvas
>no mistakes

>>3049236
hope you expect the same in return. No girl who puts in the BASIC care of herself to look like a decent human being will want a man who does the exact opposite.
If you don't like the game anon, don't play it. But then stop being a whiny bitch that a woman doesn't magically fall in your lap even tho you do literally nothing to get one.

>>3049882
I don't expect a girl to fall on my lap, retard. I just want an artist gf who appreciates me for who I am rather than some bitch looking for some kind of artist chad.

>>3049700
>Plenty of girls with severe mental illnesses or physical problems that nobody else wants to look at to go around, anon.
Where?

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>became disabled in Jan.
>trouble sitting up, could only draw half an hour a day
>eventually couldn't sit up at all
>sat and drew for 2 hours yesterday
>happiest feeling ever
>destroyed today but feel gratitude

>>3049922
Don't know that feel because I'm not a cripple.

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>draw things
>they have no appeal
>nobody likes them
I really don't mind not being popular as that was never one of my goals but it hurts when people act like it doesn't exist even after you poured your heart in it. It also gets in the way of my work since I always have this feeling that clients secretly hate the things I deliver to them.

>>3049899
>Where?
Tumblr, DA, furaffinity, regular dating websites.

>get invited into a Discord server full of artists I admire through someone I know
>it's dead most of the time
>too afraid to chime in when it is active because I'm worried they won't like me
>I've just been lurking like a creep for the past week or so without saying anything

>>3050179
Do you have autism?

>>3050183
Not that I know of

>>3050179
Invite me and I'll liven it up

>>3050196
That might work, but they'll hate me for inviting you if you end up being a cunt.

>>3050224
They won't know it was you

>>3049927
You should definitely try it if you want to feel endorphins once in 6 months.

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How do you get artist friends? I already follow some good artist who are actually really nice persons but I never get them to notice me ;_;

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>tell myself to do studies
>start to follow a book
>stop after a chapter or two
>get back to mindless doodles
>realize I'm shit
>tell myself to do studies
>return to the book
>repeat

HOW THE FUCK DO I DO STUDIES? I can force myself to draw and end up enjoying it but I can never finish what I start. I'm not improving. I've been struggling with this issue for a very long time.

>>3050168
At least you got clients m8

>>3050267
Step 1: draw something you like, put some effort into making it as good as you can

Step 2: look at the drawing you did and write down stuff you're not happy with

Step 3: pull up some work of art you like and aspire to to and compare it with your work , make notes

Step 4: look at your notes, hopefully you now have a very clear list of things you want to improve upon

Step 5 : study these things, use reference for your work, finish you shit to the maximum ability, do some sketches just for fun and relaxation and idea generation practice, ask for crits, do this for a copule of years , git gud

>friend who has a lot of followers on twitter only reblogs my shitty drawings, not the ones that were actually made to get more attention
t-thanks I guess

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>>3050265
let's be friends

gimme your discord

>>3050287
Wanna be my friend anon

drawing is hard

>>3050275
Thanks bud
Maybe you're right, maybe followong a book just isn't for me and I should correct things as I draw. Wish I knew this before I bought a bunch of them

>>3050265
>>3050322
me too ^_^

>>3049899
>who appreciates me for who I am
who you are sounds unbearable to be with t bh

you need an attitude check fa m

>>3049899
Like other anon said. You sound like a nightmare.
Useless, lazy, needy, socially inept. With that all in mind quite probably absolutely terrible at sex and selfish.
You def need a reality check. Also protip: when women look for chads they definetly do not look at artists. Besides, sounds to me like your doing exactly that, looking for a chad artist gf who would pay your living, support your artistry and love all just for you being you. And your you is quite frenkly a bore and a chore.
If you truly believe you dont need to work on yourself well then, ngmi. In both art and in life.

>>3050924
>>3050867
Here's a pussy-pedestal pair of faggots with no balls trying to give advice to someone they don't know.

>>3049899
>>3049236
reality check: even if you're as misreable piece of shit as the girl you want to be with, she wouldn't want you because you're too self centered and needy. Two worthless people being in a relationship isn't fun, it won't save you. It's a recipe for disaster.

t. grill with issues

>>3050929
>t. grill with issues
Be my gf

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when you draw decent animu and shit but you studied the wrong way and you do a study for the first time and it's fucking awful

time to relearn entirely i guess

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>In art program at school
>Kind of have problem glasses, have a buzzcut, dress low-key tumblr
>classmates assume I'm sjw and either talk very delicately around me, or talk to me about sjw shit
Just fuck my shit up
Also
>Find ooooold art from middle school
>Mingled tears of embarrassment and pride at how far I've come
Pic related

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>post work
>stop working on it until someone critiques it in case they find something wrong
>no on replies

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>draw one picture
>don't even get past the sketchy phase
>completely exhausted and done with drawing for the day


never gonna make it

>>3051480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIi_-IvUSLc

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>tfw I want to get better but I know practice is going to take a lot of time
>there are artist who draw simple stuff, like characters always looking to the same side and stiff poses and they still get a lot of attention and money
I don't know what to do bois

>>3051587
don't worry they might be shining now, but soon they'll either start making shit of actual value or fall into obscurity

>>3028383
Normal bacteria can still infect your peenor even if it's not an STD, which you can still get without having sex via public bathrooms and shit.

>>3043437
Yeah retard, like everything is about you.
What's embarrassing is that you're just admitting you aren't well read and don't even realise it, all while trying to accuse people of being stupid.

I mean, you mention irony when you're literally just being a fucking Dunning Kruger fag.

>Just reached 30
>been drawing / learning steadily for the last ~5 years
>did studies, attempted projects, tried mediums, went out of my comfort zone
>For the strength to battle my depression and got therapy for it so that I wouldn't get blocks
>Almost 5 years in, my art is still mediocre
>No money from art
>Drawing less and less, the will to go on working my ass off for a 1% improvement a year is slowly exhausting
>Everyone on the fucking planet is better than me and I see THEM struggle to get work
>Going on with this shit seems more like procrastinating on real life than working hard towards a career because I won't ever be on the same league as the most basic professional artist I can think of

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>working on a commission
>finally happy with the first part and press ctrl+s to save it before sending it to the client for approval
>a blackout happens as I'm saving
>turn computer back on
>file is corrupt
>have to start over again from scratch and it might not even be as good as the first one
This is the second time this has happened to me. I fucking hate living in this shithole fuck dammit

>>3052488
>frequent blackouts
Iktf

>>3052495
I thought I was used to it already but lately with 10+ a day I just want to kill myself. Even more when shit like this happens.

>>3052517
Under conditions like that you should be saving your work at least every five minutes, anon.

>>3052517
I'd pick up drawing traditionally.

>>3052526
I save every couple strokes because of this. It's also the reason I'm prone to this shit happening to me all the time.

>>3052533
I can't make money like that.

>>3052488
Buy a UPS for your computer, it doesn't have to be too expensive.

>>3050265
Oh god that picture breaks my fucking heart
That series hit hard

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>>3050952
Same here, anon.

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>put actual time and effort on a drawing
>feel accomplished for once
>show it off to friends
>"nice"

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>>3052703
>to friends
found you're problem

>>3052709
Nico a cute

>>3050926
>h-haha you b-beta cucks
sad!

I feel like I'm completely trapped in my mediocrity.

I can't draw anything but shitty fucking knock off anime girls, and my attempts to get better fall flat because I'm a lazy piece of shit with no discipline that also has no clue on what to do right.

>listening to marko djurdjevic interview
>think I might get inspired and learn something
>instead he talks about how he got his first commission at a comic book shop at 15
>then says that he called up a company a year and a half later and told the guy that he was better than every artist they had working for them
>hired the mad man on the spot and he had firmly cemented his stay in the art industry before he was even 18
Fug. I will never be that good. It's actually discouraging how good he is.

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>>3053081
You gotta realize standards in Germany weren't exactly high back then. Pic related, one of his earlier pieces.

t. German

>>3053081
Nathan Fowkes got hired by Dreamworks right out of art school and he's been working there for two decades, with some veteran guy as his mentor. Instead you're expected to be a self-taught, top of the industry professional before you even get your name out on the internet.

>>3053111
It's really all bullshit: "work hard and you'll get somewhere" always comes from successful people who've been working for decades and had to survive a much easier selection process, and now they're selling you tutorials and their 'wisdom' in exchange for Patreon money.

Survivor bias is a real thing, add a little bit of cunning and it's so easy to market to desperate aspiring artists and turn them into perennial consumers. Why do you think they're leaving their concept art jobs? It's easy money for them.

>>3053121
>: "work hard and you'll get somewhere" always comes from successful people who've been working for decades
well no shit?

what did you think "work hard" means other than literally WORKING FOR DECADES

pick up a pencil, draw rows of straight lines for all of 8 hours like an autist and emerge as a renaissance master?

>>3053123
So yeah, you're supposed to "work for decades" without making a penny before you're good enough to enter the industry at the ripe age of 40.

>>3053125
if you say so. that's your life

>>3053125
bitter people like you have no place in this industry
go kill yourself already and be done with it

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>tfw you cant practice to beethoven anymore because it triggers pstd flashbacks

>>3053130
That's right anon, keep doing your homework and be a good consumer boy! Remember to turn off your adblocker

>>3031980
Git gud, you'll solve both of your problems and you'll be happy in your dream job. Just work really fucking hard at it.

>>3049922
Good for you anon
Take breaks and slow days when you're tired, enjoy doing things when you have energy. It sucks a bit, but pushing too hard when you're flagging a little will just make you tired for the next few days.

>>3050267
Berating yourself or calling yourself shit and then forcing things will always have a negative effect and subpar efficiency/focus. Slaves always did worse work than people being paid at least something, that resentment and pushback gets in the way.

You need to negotiate with yourself, not crack the whip and punish and force stuff. Treat yourself like you would a good friend or someone you care about. Be honest, harsh crit, whatever yeah, but don't beat yourself up as much and force everything or your work and gains will suffer and your own mind will work against you.

>>3053195
Thanks. I appreciate this!

>finish drawing
>don't hate it

I'm not going to make it, am I?

>>3053094
That isn't shit but it isn't god tier like I imagined either. Thanks anon, I don't feel like a complete sack of shit anymore. Do you know how old he was when he did that?

>anything I draw in a more cartoony and stylized manner turns out like shit
>no matter how hard I study other artists I am absolutely incapable of creating an appealing stylized image
I guess I'll just give up and read Loomis again or some shit

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>>3053850
You already make it anon, i wish someday i will learn to love my arts

>>3053850
Maybe you don't hate it because

it's not bad!

>trying to leave comfort zone
>everything I draw is fucking garbage

I WANT TO GET OFF THIS PLATEAU

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>draw something i think looks decent and post it on a 4chan board
>get no replies

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>Been drawing all my life
>Never gotten the harsh critique I need to appease my self-deprecating ego

>>3053169
I feel ya and everyone else in /ic/ on this.

>spend two hours working on a study, happy with how it's going
>something seems a little off but I can't quite place it
>overlay the picture
>everything in the drawing is very slightly skewed or slightly out of proportion
>delete it and put away my tablet

I WANT TO BE A SEXY LADDDDYYYYYYYYY

My mom hates the idea. My dad calls me gay. I tell them to fuuuckkkk offffff. What the fuck do they know?

I'm the literal king of the world. You think people would start to trust me by now.

You know the 1 rule everyone should follow.
1. Jace is always right.

>>3057228
Jace post your work.

>an artist I like follows me back
>I draw something with her in mind and post it
>she gave it a like
That absolutely made my day and I'm over the moon right now.

>>3043437
Stop embarrassing yourself, Jace. At first it was amusing, now it's just annoying.

>>3057236
I know that feel bro. There's a doujin artist that I've liked for years that recently followed me. Blows my mind.

>Put your all into drawing

It's complete garbage


>>Don't try on drawing at all

It's actually good.


This is ridiculous

>>3057667
>>>Don't try on drawing at all
>It's actually good.
No, it's not. post work

>> watch artist on pixiv
>> 2 days later they delete their whole gallery
I had saved some of their pics, but damn....how depressing

>>3057781
>tfw this never happens to me

>>3057667
I assume that it's because trying takes you out of your comfort zone. Keep trying, it will come eventually.

>tfw you want to change your alias
I have an ok-ish following, I don't know if it's too late

>>3058071
It'll be even later if you don't do it right now. Just go for it.

>>3053886
>inb4 he was 8

>>3056295
could see it two ways....least it's not bad enough to get a comment either.

>>3052703
I feel this.

Have also got, "why are you even drawing like that" after I spent time and effort.

Or spending time and effort and having absolutely no comments or critique at all....alternatively, get nothing but comments on chicken scratch you doodled for fun.

I'm not gonna make it.

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>post on /ic/, get drug through the mud by your creative peers, feels bad
>creative thread on /r9k/, all the autists are amazingly supportive of each other, regardless of skill level

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hey guys just wanted to pop in and say we're all going to make it.

>finishing Associates at local community college
>taking a look at the cheap but still more expensive Big Name (TM) college nearby for the closest program to 3D modelling and both 2D and 3D animation
>have to take some photography course as a pre-req
I hate this.

>>3058803
they either want you to understand composition before doing their course or earn money by shilling it.

>>3058423
I need to visit there more often.

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>>3058810
Now that I'm looking at that photography course, it's pretty much composition and learning how to open up PS without shitting yourself. Illustration's another pre-requisite for the animation course, but it's weird because there's no prior drawing required--only basic graphic design. I guess their definition of illustration is totally separate from how I generally see it defined.

>increasing doubt

>>3058819
It's probably similar to my school where the descriptions don't mean shit because the teacher just rolls however. Art teachers are weird like that.

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>>3058690
I'm not

>>3058690
not everyone will make it

>>3058820
I hope it's like what you're saying. I'm finding it hard to find descriptions from students of the actual courses, but my goal class is described exactly as I want it, so oh well.

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REEEEEEE just let me fucking neet. I'm already exhausted enough from studying all day without wagecucking 20 hours a week. All I cost is food and utilities the dogs probably cost more than me.

>HURR ANON HOW MANY APPLICATIONS DID YOU SEND OUT TODAY

>HURR WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE I HIKED 15 MILES IN THE SNOW TO WORK WHILE GOING TO NIGHT SCHOOL WITH MY HANDS TIED BEHIND MY BACK

>HURR IF I HAVE TO SUFFER YOU DO TOO

Damn wagecucks trying to drag everyone else down with them.

>>3059832
i know right. i dont neet and i pay for my own damn food/gas/anything else i need, i stay in one room the whole fucking time and dont bother anything, i only use electricity to have 1 light and my computer on. just leave me the fuck alone and let me do my damn work so i can make it and have money to pay bills and shit.

>>3059832
>>3059839
sad reality is it takes years and years of hard work to make a consistent wage from art, your parents are probably just worried.

Unless you're planning on doing porn, then you can make money much easier but perhaps at the cost of your dignity.

>>3059844
i know i told them that it takes a lot of time
, but i also plan on doing porn so ......

you know what else is gay?
>be me
>work ass off to get gud
>8-13 hours a day
>no sales yet
>keep trying
>be brother
>know lots of people
>have social life
>half ass paint up some ugly oil paintings
>no understanding of form
>no understanding of light
>sells painting for 1k
>multiple times.....

>>3059864
Can't you ask your bro to hook you up with some clients?

>>3059857
>but i also plan on doing porn so ......

what's stopping you from trying to earn money right now? Pick an obscure fetish and draw it, as long as you aren't complete beginner-tier you;ll probably find commissions.

The hard part would be explaining that to your parents somehow, I guess

>>3059864
Imagine how much you could sell your shit for if you weren't a sperg

>>3059872
oh they already know , they dont care what i do. i drew bondage for a little bit and got lots of note and follow but no commission req, maybe its cus i didnt say i would do coms/

>>3059869
yeah i may could do that. dont get me wrong i'm glad he is selling his stuff . but seriously normies will buy anything . and he is improving now though sort of.. but we have very different art styles.

>>3059877
oh i have sold stuff before i sold an outline for like 100 that took like an hour (client was happy). i just need to learn how to ask people for money and stuff. (marketing) i dont really know how to go about that. i know how to get the notes and follows though.

>>3059869
oh and he lives on the other side of the country from me so i dont know any of those people.

>>3045196
>just gotta unfuck my life and become my personal vision of perfection, then I can start trying to form relationships
are you me from the future anon? I still didn't make it, how long?

>>3052608
krita has an option where it saves not on top of the old file, but creates another one

by the end of a drawing you will have more files, but if your last one is ok you can then delete all but that one

like that even if the one you were currently saving gets corrupted, you have the one before it

>go to college
>speg from day one
>spends hours on projects
>my anime shit gets more positive marks
>why