Challenge

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fuck you, buddy

>>3027078
Why did you replace your shitty drawing with an emoji?

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>>3027079

>>3027079
Lazy anon is lazy. Improving takes too much effort.

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>>3027079

5 shitposters, but no drawings?

dont bother posting if its not loli, anons

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okies here's mine

>>3027527
the middle one, why does her stomach look like that? did she just give birth to quadruplets?

>>3027535
jellyrolls nothing more

was going for somewhat average/dumpy look

>>3027535
You asked for a women. Not fap material.

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side view. i'll finish the other two later

>>3027527
She need some squats for gods sake

>>3027581

Her lower body is wildly out of proportion.

>>3027527
Front shoulders are very wide but the back shoulders are normal. Middle stomach doesn't make any sense. Use more references of big girls and see where the fat lies. It doesn't just hang off the front, google what a muffin top looks like.

>>3027693
The shoulders are not the same width? I basically traced the back from the front

"Muffin top" seems significantly fatter than what I was going for, but I may have possibly overdone the tummy protrusion

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>>3027693
A lot of women have that stomach after pregnancy, or extreme weight loss. Not sure if that is what anon was going for, but people do have stomachs like that.

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>>3027738
Another pic

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>>3027740
And sorry for the extra image, but this one looks exactly like anon's stomach.

>>3027748
>anon has an after pregnancy fetish

>>3027738
>>3027740
>>3027748
It's sad that the human body has to be destroyed in the process. Test tube babies can't come soon enough

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Stopped at the hands in the back view because of time limitation

>>3027748
I go to life drawing regularly and I was going off what I see there. Yeah a lot of those models are older women and have probably been preggers a few times. This is interesting stuff, thanks

>>3027769
uhh, the stretched skin recedes eventually

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critique ?

>>3027921
Thumbnail looks neat but once I enlarge the image I get distracted by all the small lines. They don't necessarily have to go but maybe they can be made more appealing

>>3027921
Sick style.

>>3027921
Something tells me you watch Sycra alot. Anyway, clean up your lines, scribbles make you look schizo.

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>>3027713
I think it has more to do with the height and roundness than the width. You drew the deltoids almost flat in the front view. Notice how much is shown in the back view compared to the front. My mistake though, they aren't wider, they just look wider because of the shape.

Also a muffin top can be any amount of fat, it is just a problem area for women because it can be hard to lose, the point is the area, not the amount. as others pointed out, it is possible to have that sort tummy after pregnancy but something tells me you weren't exactly going for that.

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>>3027951
I may have seen tummies like that but I didn't know what causes it - actually I just found an old drawing of a lady who seemed to have something like it going with her stomach. She was obviously an old woman.

>>3027951
Not bad! On the front view don't forget people have external obliques, the torso runs into the hips a little sharply but hey good job :)

>>3027981
>>3027981
For sure, I learned alot today about that. I guess I just didn't go out of my comfort zone enough when it comes to less than ideal body shapes. Anyway, great job on the faces, did you have a reference? I reminded me alot of Jennifer Lopez.

>>3027999
The idea was to draw from imagination, no?

>>3027802
the whole chest, including collar bones and neck on the first one are all wrong. breasts are not so far set on the chest

>>3027921
your anatomy and flow is great, but those lines are a mess, and most of the are unnecessary and inside the body

>>3027926
>>3028051
I have a hard time drawing cleaner lines, it always end up less energic, any advice ?

>>3028101
the outlines of the body don't look so bad. it's the random scribbles everywhere that makes it look messy.

>>3028101
You're working digitally right? Why not just do what you're doing now, but simply erase the parts you don't need.

>>3028101
It's a lot harder to do if you have a small tablet, but I would practice also moving your shoulder/elbow to draw, versus just moving your wrist. That way you can get clean and flowy lines, instead of a bunch of small ones.

Here's a good proko video on it.
https://youtu.be/pMC0Cx3Uk84

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>>3028101
when you refine you lineart you probably just trace over your drawing with a consisted 1 px line, thats what takes away the energy in the piece, try using line wheight (or scott robertson's atmospheric persective)
>how
look for darkest parts of the body, where shadows are, thats where you use the most pressure and darkests lines, where light is directly hitting the form is where you use your lightest touch
it all goes along values and light source of the form too
you are basically shading with the contours
you are also drawing in digital, so you can do one loose line, if it doesnt work, use ctrl+z until you get it right eventually you will have the same energy as the original

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needed a warmup

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fuck this exercise is hard how'd yall do it without a model!?

>>3028252
dude look at the side of her hands compared to her head

>>3028252
not bad actually as far as anatomy, the poses are all wonk though

>>3028274
draw enough models and you can just imagine the model in front of you

also, loomis

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>>3028238
>>3028218
>>3028198
>>3028215
Thanks for all your advice, here have a very messy scribblely sketch
>>3028215
>simply erase the parts you don't need.
No, I like drawing, not erasing, I don't want to spend time erasing.

>>3028298
>No, I like drawing, not erasing, I don't want to spend time erasing.
uhhh

you know erasing is just drawing in a different color

you're drawing negative space

>>3028252
hi fish :3

>>3028279
i see what you mean, will fix
>>3028289
thanks for the critique, i'm gonna try to work on that
>>3028337
i'm flattered you mistake me for him! but i am not him lol

>>3027921
are you trying to become Yoji Shinkawa or something

>>3027921
U must be an arquitect.

>>3028293
How many is enough though? Thousand? Ten thousand?

>>3028748
for me after about 20 studies of nude solo girls from porn blogs, I can draw nude girls from imagination pretty well. It won't teach you about the actual anatomy (random bumps will still be random bumps if you haven't learned about muscles, this is where loomis comes into play) but it'll still look good.

>>3028796
Studying photo refs is good alright but I can't recommend life drawing hard enough, though, it's an entirely different thing to study a 3D living breathing being of flesh and blood in front of you than stare at glowing photos of titties on a computer screen. It just imprints into memory in an entirely different way.

>>3028748
I can't say exactly how many, I've been doing it for years myself, I've simply lost track, but I think thousands would be an exaggeration. There's no reason not to do it, there are literally no downsides (other than it costs a bit of money unless you use a gf/bf for free labour or something)

Like most paths of improvement it's also a gradual thing, it's not like you have to do a specific number of life studies and then suddenly you experience some epiphany that lets you draw 100% correct people purely from imagination.

>>3028743
U must be an alpinist.

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bleh

>>3028868
Those are some weird proportions, especially the huge hands. The lower body and legs are also very large, though that's not necessarily wrong, some women do have kinda pear-shaped bodies like that.

>>3028868
the body shape of the first is not the same as the last. the front view looks like she has one of those protruding trochanter hips, but from the back her hips are smoothly round

>>3027921
>>3027932
>Something tells me you watch Sycra alot
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought so.

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Well, I pretty much cocked this one up.

>>3027527
WIDE SHOULDERS

>>3028958
The chest, legs, and breasts look to flat. Other than that work on body proportion

>>3028958
first is off balance/asymmetrical and those breast lines shouldn't go that far into her shoulders.

>>3027769

Only for women who are too old or have bad genetics, diet and excercise. There are women who have given birth who have perfectly flat stomachs

>>3028252

can you just stand still for one fucking second you dumb whore

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crit red lines peas.

>>3028868
Looks like wakfu style.

Love it.

>>3029093
that's a man with butt & breast implants

>>3029093
Should probably work on keeping it all straight up as well, each one's slanted to the left pretty hard

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>>3029093
here man i dont even draw and i fixed up the first two for you

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>>3029302
forgot to fix the titties lol my bad

>>3029093
those shoulders are massive, anon. and ass cheeks don't overlap each other like that. nice skull though

>>3027667
is it because the legs are too long or too thick?

>>3029316
Fucking hell Anon thanks that helped a lot.

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>>3027033
get on my level scrubs

>>3030319
In #1 her left hand is down and right hand is open. But in the other two it's the opposite.
Also,
>mitten hands
disgusting

Otherwise it's bretty gud bro

>>3030319
this is shit

>>3030560
says the shittiest artist on this board

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>>3030740

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>>3027033

>>3030974
Interesting value scale.

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well fuck me. thought i actually had this some of down. Guess not.

>those fucking tits

>>3031001
You can tell anon focused mainly on legs through out studying.

>>3031004
yes rip. How do i get the upper body gains.

>>3031011
Draw for a year. Don't post until you do.

>>3031001
you have more or less the same issues as this guy >>3029093. check this >>3029316

>>3030319
very nice, especially the feet

>>3031001
proportions bruh. one head unit below the chin is the breasts, one head unit below the breasts is the navel. one head unit from the navel is the crouch. now look at your work

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>>3031001
At least get the basic rhythm down before you try putting boxes everywhere.

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>>3027033
I tried

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Spent too long in the front view and had to rush the other 2. I want to git good so badly anons ;_;

>>3031254
noice, except wtf are those arms in the second?

proportions.. from the knees down the legs are way too short. the torso feets too short too. The spine is also too straight in the second

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Aperently sideview is hard to draw without ref.

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That was good exercise, kind of realized I focus too much on anatomy detail learned around but never get to grasp the general flow of the body.

>>3032011
agreed, maybe because it's the least done usually

>>3031298
I got confused about how the arm muscles flow into each other

>>3032024
Nice feet and hands, but learn about the shoulder girdle and the trap muscles.

>>3032024
The finger lengths in front view are off

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didn't really put a lot of effort into it, but i did it. Need more work on back muscles, and relative lengths of upper/lower legs to torso length. Pose is stiff. Everything feels short, arms, torso, legs. Did I miss anything?

>>3032024
Yours is the best one posted so far. Good job.

>>3032287
It's good.

>>3032287
Your proportions are fine, but the finer anatomical details have issues.
You're missing the obliques and the clavicles are misshapen.
It's also unclear if you know how the hip area works.

>>3027981
That area is weird but basically women have extra organs in that area and often carry a little bit of extra fat there also. So they have this little "pouch" side on, and it's in two rolls because when they sit, the rolls kind of sit on top of each other in a pile rather than being one big lump?

Not explaining well but it's a secondary female sex trait and natural, and often women have it without either being obese, having lost a lot of weight, or being pregnant. Only unhealthily thin women lack that little pouchy bit.

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>>3032418
subcutaneous fat

>>3027875
i work with a lady that had kids like 5 years ago and says her stomach is all fucked up still
some women dont go back to normal. my moms stomach is completely fine after 4 kids surprisingly

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>>3032418
>Only unhealthily thin women lack that little pouchy bit
You can be at a healthy weight and not have much of a belly, especially if you haven't eaten recently. Stronger abs also help to contain the belly fat.
In older women, their skin is saggier and their abs will be more atrophied, so even there isn't much fat there, the skin will hang out more.

>>3031288
I see that you followed the head unit proportions, but the lower legs still look very, very short. Maybe the kardashian hips make it look so. also in the first one, one hand is longer than the other. And in the second one, the spine looks way too straight. it needs to curve in more.

and putting circles for knees and little balls for toes doesn't cut it. you need to study these things, because they have a very precise form to them that isn't so simple.

>>3032011
not bad, but STOP chicken scratching.

>>3032024
you might be the best so far. good job

>>3032287
Great, you learned something: study the muscles of the back.

>>3029015
Underrated

>>3032509
>I see that you followed the head unit proportions, but the lower legs still look very, very short.

this is why you shouldn't take advice from /ic/ seriously.

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I tried. I'm gonna do some studies then try again in a month.

>>3032438
Yeah my mom's got fucked up after 3 kids. No one talks about it because they're ashamed of it, but this happens to a lot of women.

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>>3032843
those hands look like giant claws, and the feet are out of perspective. her shoulders are also too narrow, there needs to be a trapezius showing in the front, pic related.

>>3027921
weapon to surpass metal gear

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forgot post this one

>>3033007
aside from the chest being a bit too thin it's almost perfect
like it a damn lot, keep up the good work

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done

>>3033009
tf is that

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here's my try

>>3033007
hot af my dude
Post more

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I did something similar to this a few days ago

>>3032972
Thanks for the crit! yea those are the things I wanna focus on. This challenge made me realize I don't know shit about anatomy.

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Here's mine

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Here's mine. It's shit and too stiff so I think I'm gonna give it another go with some contrapposto/poses the next time. Crit this one though. How do I get more like >>3027921
>>3027981
>>3028252
>>3033341
?

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This didnt go so well. I remembered how many heads tall some 1 should be, but could not remember limb length, hand size, etc, to the same scale. Anatomy? Couldn't recall fuck all. I am gonna change my study process.

I would really appreciate a draw over and written explanation on your process for sizing proportions appropriately.

>>3033629
"I'm just not going to learn faces.... and everything will work out! Yea! I'm gonna be just fine!! Don't NEED TO LEARN FACES AT ALL!! 8D"

>>3032024
This anon did well.
>>3033009
This 1 is good too, def looks like it took more time.

GJ bros

>>3033009
Nice colors. How did you learn anatomy?

>>3032024
Women typically have wider midsections, thigh-to-shoulder widths look good but she is clearly emaciated. legs are different lengths in the front view, and there is more distance between clavicle and breasts.

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>>3033685
>she is clearly emaciated
do you even woman?

>>3033648
I know how to do faces I just didn't do them here because that wasn't what I was trying to exercise doing this. Chill out.

>>3033629
Read the Vilppu drawing manual. Start practicing simple 3d forms and gesture, forget things like anatomy and proportions for now.

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>>3033692
you are proving my point for me.

>>3027581
she has huge legs

>>3033741
true dat

>>3032433
Well, yep, that's the term I'd forgotten. Thank you.

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>>3033692
>using a photoshopped image as an argument pertaining to realistic anatomy
Anyway, yeah, even wasp-waisted women have more 'column' shaped torsos that taper to a waist.

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>>3033772

>>3033714
I thought you were talking about hip to waist ratios.
Anyways, you included the unrestrained boobs into the width of the chest and the woman in the pic is fatter.

I would agree that the drawing is fucked up in many other ways.

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>>3033780
no my point was that basically NO ONE has a inner core that thin in proportion to their waist and chest, making it look cartoonish. Emaciated was definitely the wrong term though, as even emaciated or very thin women don't have a chest-core width ratio that high.

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>>3031001

>>3033681
vilppu, proko, and loomis. but i haven't finished any of them.

>>3033772
Finally some realistic proportions, gj

>>3033772
is this a self portrait?

>ic has no idea what women look like

>>3033291
Arms are too short, my man. Wrists should be about level with the crotch

>>3030974
The legs and feet in the middle pic are a bit of a mess.

>>3033464
nice, except the legs. wrong proportions and thickness especially near the ankles. also,
>don't ignore feet

>>3033772
best one so far

>>3033772
+1

This is what a real woman looks like.

>>3033916
Yep. I drew it with myself in mind.

>>3033772
sadly, the best drawing in the thread.
>>3033918
it's true, KEK

>>3033918

you're retarded. you'd get way worse results if you asked people to draw a dog turnaround. does /ic/ not know what dogs look like?

>>3032433
>If Buck Angel didn't go with the breast removal

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>>3027921
kinda looks like Metal Gear artwork

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Hmm, not sure what I think about this

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>>3033629
Do gesture drawing everyday. And study basic anatomy.
Try to understand where muscles are from and where they go

>>3033291
Anime/10

>>3034559
Let me help you with that. Do you imagine adult naked women too? If no, you should seek help.

>>3033629
it's really fine for a sketch, i wouldn't beat yourself up about it. keep it up, i hope to see your stuff in a few years when you're developed, i think i see a certain something in there that makes me think you'll do some good pictures.

>>3034605
What? Are you saying that looks like a child?

>>3033780
You could argue that the girl in pic has fatter legs but the hips ratio is pretty close and the reason that girl looks fatter is because she doesn't have a ribcage that angles in like yours. I'm a different anon btw. Slight inward angles make a huge difference in fleshing your character out.

>>3034652
Sure. Or rather like a teenager, since her tits are already growing. But yeah, all proportions, all features, everything is very childlike. Her body is 6 heads long. She looks 13.

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>>3034660
Are you kidding me, not every grown woman looks like a hourglass. The drawing already has a way too big waist to hip ratio to be 13. That girl could very well be a petite woman in her early 20's. Something like pic related, is she not also around six heads?

>>3034664
Yeah, but there are other features that look childlike. The face, for example. Yeah, the front view body could be adult (with that face maybe she could be like 17), but the back view is definitely a child.

>>3034238
/ic/ can be bad at multiple things

>>3034676
Uh, many women look like that as adults. Not everyone has the same type of body. I myself am 24, and people still think I look 15 because of my face.

>>3034605
You must be American, maybe >>3033772 is what you've come to expect?

>>3034386
Who?

>>3034682
kek

>>3034660
>>3034664
>>3034676
are you retards seriously discussing what age this shit drawing looks like. it doesn't even have defined features. it has a fucking dot for a nose.

>>3034680
>I myself
no1curr

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Might knock out the sideview and the rendering after breakfast. I'm pretty lazy though so maybe not...

all these white women
ra/ic/ist

>>3034809
mine's asian actually

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lazied out on the third.

>>3031173
what boxes? its just guidelines.

>>3034863
From imagination? You're good.

>>3034798
This is pretty awful. What exactly are your goals as an artist? What do you like? What do you want to do? Why are you doing this to yourself? Do you even want feedback on this??
Jesus christ.

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>>3034798
Son, I don't think you're ready for rendering just yet. I think this is more your speed

>>3034863
i seriously doubt this is from imagination, and even if it is, it is probly hardcoded positions from earlier studies. that amount of skill doesnt exist on IC

>>3034904
not going to shit on him but they're not that good
>that amount of skill doesn't exist on IC
what do you spend all your time in the beginner thread?

>>3034891
>>3034863
Lol, we all know that everybody on here is a tryhard. Everyone would rather get a reference to make it perfect and lie about the imagination part rather than risk making something shit from imagination and get ripped to pieces for it.

>>3034904
I only studied anatomy with reference once, and it's a painting. I don't draw with references, I practiced that way from the beginning, analyzed anatomy and then draw from imagination, and i'm good at it now that i can pretty much draw any body. but hey, let me go lie about a few sketches on a dying board, it'll probably make me feel good or something.

>that amount of skill doesnt exist on IC
that's not my problem though.

>>3034891
thanks.

>>3034896
It's a color block that took me 10 minutes without lines, construction, or gestures lol, calm down rofl. These questions probably aren't serious and you just wanted to be a d/ic/k but I'll bite one: I like constructive criticism to keep me motivated. >>3034902
Funny.

>>3034798
Like the style, reminds me of Don't Starve with the ghostly palette.

>>3034987
Actually, I was being completely serious. But maybe that's the problem. I shouldn't expect everyone else on this board or in this thread to have the same aspirations and attitude that I do.
That's my bad.

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Did something similar a few days ago

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>>3032287
tried again with a little more effort.

>>3034996
Blog?

>>3033009
needs work in the head area and maybe making your style more appealing, somehow I just find this unappealing even though its well done

>>3028298
>Drawing, not erasing
What kind of autistic mindset is this

>>3035085
does proportions are nasty wtf is wrong with you.

>>3034989
Thanks anon, I'm working on an indie horror/supernatural game right now so most of my current work is going into studies and polishing this new style for the game. Don't Starves pallet is pretty kino so that compliment is really appreciated.

>>3035315
Palette* stupid autocorrect phone.

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Bs...

>>3027921
Very cool style. Dont let those fags telling you to remove the lines get to your head- were it for them, your drawings would look just like anyone else's.

>>3035279
I'm not trying to make an attractive or idealistic woman with these drawings, it's about fundamentals. I'm not "attracted" to the proportions either, do you have any feedback? I personally feel like the torso is too short, and the knee area is too elongated. I also struggled with drawing the hand in the same pose from multiple angles. I suppose it's a bit muscular for a woman, which is probably why it seems disgusting. I'm more interested in feedback about why it's incorrect or my technique than I am about how attractive it is.

>>3035093
Go ahead and rip me a new one, I deserve it and I want to grow.

my tumblr (illustrations/concepts/fanart):
https://hainsaw.tumblr.com/

my permanoobs sketchbook (mostly studies):
http://www.permanoobs.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1412&sid=833a2a186a074cbac70fba2a94247683

my instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/hainsaw/

I do game art, comics, and animation.

>>3034909
why not post something better then ?

>>3033007
T H I C C

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Quality thread. Made me realize I need to look into the muscles of the legs and improve the way I draw hands.
I can't handle perfect symmetry, nor I see the point of it, but I hope the way I drew is ok.

>>3036142
my nigga

>>3033009
i should draw more like you from now on, if i draw like you my shit will be timeless

>>3036202
paint you mean?

every time someone tells me to go to /ic/ for advice and critique; I remember threads like this and that everyone on this board is just as mediocre at drawing as your regular jack-off 4chan poster.

>>3036235
ok

>>3034863
A fellow ass man of culture.

>>3036202
what do you mean by timeless?

>>3034904
>>3034911
Take my advice and drop art right now. Neither of you are going to make it if you're so easily impressed to the point of disbelief over some basic sketches from someone who knows anatomy. Your standards are way too low to ever get good.

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>>3037013
oh daaaaamn

>>3029012
this. if your genes aren't shit or if your not prone to getting fat so easily you return pretty much back to normal

>>3030288
Yes, both of of those.

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>>3034863

Hey, I remember you

You're now my new rival!

>>3040624
you didn't post anything though.

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>>3037013

How do you find your sketchbook with your head that far up your own ass, anonymous?

>>3033772
I wonder what other kind of things torment your imagination anyway, very realistic

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If I do this do you all promise not to be too mean to me

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>>3033009
Why is this so fucking scary to look at.

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This made me realise fucking suck at hands and feet, even more than I thought. She got fatter in each pose.

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>>3027033
>the more construction I do, the shittier it gets
end my life

also please just verbally annihilate my drawing (in a constructive way)

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>>3042358
This would literally be slightly above average quality in this thread if you actually fucking gave it your best effort and didn't draw like a virgin. There is a fucking endless rainstorm of self deprecating unconfident dweebs here because of other dweebs who treat art as a sacred goose. Anon if you're on the other side of the coin for even a fucking second you'll realize that people naturally hate and avoid people with severe self-confidence issues because to girls it's creepy and to guys it's annoying. Why are you defining your fucking image as someone who is an annoying pile of sludge.

Stop being a fucking faggot. Go at shit you do with sincerity, confidence and a genuine will to improve. I fucking regret typing this because all you fucks do is fish for attention and encouragement then read without learning and reject all of it.

>>3042140
promise

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>>3042376
This guy is the realest nigga.

>>3035424
Not bad for gestures. Try finishing some figures and put it up for critiques

>>3042376
> slightly above average quality
no that image was fucking dreadful

>>3036078
Sick style my dude.

>>3027535
Found the virgin.

>>3027693
Front shoulders and back shoulders are exactly the same; anon has it right

>>3030981
>one pose
>front back side at the same time
>four hands
what did he mean by this

>>3027921
This awful. Front view calves don't even match, and the rear view calves are significantly larger than the front. Sketchy detail. Rear shoulders wider than the front. Yet another sad case of "style" over technique.

>>3042232
This, I'm terrified

>>3042312
I like it, but to me it feels like the legs are too long, the upper body too short.

>>3044603
im not butthurt, i just find you fascinating, for i have never seen something as disgusting as you
not because of what you say, those are standard talks, but because how you discuss
you are for instance worse than trump and neocons, your logic is:everything they say is a deceivery and a lie, and what i have heard from my parents or read somewhere is true
lets put on a side that you're paranoid and mix me for months for someone else, and blabber some stories about "three grandads" and shit like that
you're probably aware of that, but this is some sort of exhaust vent for you, because nobody knows you here and except making fun of you we cand do anything
put a name or a tripcode and see how many people here listens and respects you
realize that everybody, everybody hates you and it doesnt have anything with your nationality but the fact that you're retarded, agressive and dumb
what do they say, "nationalism is the last sanctuary for scoundrels" so you every insult towars you percieve as an insult towards americans, you pretend you speak in the name of all americans
you're not a boogeyman, but you are frustrated retard
if it is true that you are 18, then i dont know, its over if you've not changed until now
keep stinking here on 4chan, this is your only place where somebody listens to you
and now goodbye johnny, dont cry

>>3027921
This picture is a good litmus test for whether or not you have a good eye for art, or if you're fooled by messy lines.

>>3027921
It's shit.

>>3034921
How long it took you, to draw like that just from imagination?

>>3027538
>average/dumpy women still have perfect tits and asses

>>3046581
why ?

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>>3042376
tru

lol I was reading this thread for like 10 mins thinking it was a thread on /sci/ and everyone was talking about anatomy and I was thinking "holy shit how is everyone this good at drawing" and then I saw the catalogue and now I feel dumb. See ya everyone.

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>>3033787
Wrong

>>3034987
Nothing that took you 10 minutes deserves criticism. Im not going to open ms paint, draw a stickfigure with the mouse, and expect any meaningful criticism. This is one of the few boards here that actually has people trying to help you improve and if you dont want to help yourself improve, then why should anyone wlse.

>>3027543
We got both

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humbling

>>3046797
>perfect
That's relative bro

Anyway it's a random lottery, and the dice are rolled separately for every body part. It's not uncommon for someone to look nice overall but have a weird looking body part here and there. Or an otherwise ugly person to have nice titties indeed. Most average people are a mixed bag of attractive and unattractive features.

>>3042376
thx anon, i needed this