/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

i thought the sticky link was broken because of the __or___

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I did not draw this, but I like to try to look through drawings and see if I am able to tell if it is out of proportion or has bad anatomy. Is the head of this is too small, or am I blind.

>>3021465
the bad anatomy is the arm, so short and swole. heads pretty good

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>>3021465
or this on by kyle. Do heads really turn that way?

>>3021473
do try, this is fucked

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>>3021473

>>3021473
Possible for me. Of course, as long as the chin doesn't cross the shoulder line.

Is gesture drawing the best way to get over a discomfort with drawing figures?

>>3021473
yep, not much artistic license at all, perhaps you're not reading the foreshortening?

>>3021501
No anatomy is

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I dont know...

Critique please.

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feedback?

>>3021514
what brush do you use and how do you choose your colors?

>>3021517
this study I painted in clip studio paint with the 'oil paint flat' brush, default settings.

I just eyeball the colours, normally starting by adding in one colour for the darkest area of the picture, then two or three colours for the midtones, and one for the highlights. All other colours I then try to achieve by mixing these five colours, if that doesn't work, only then I introduce new midtone colours.

>>3021512
How? Anatomy stresses me out.

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the perspective isn't too bad, is it?

>>3021550
this aint beg

>>3021551
It's a beginner question though. My fundamentals are shit lol.

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critique pls

>>3021557
looks like it's traced

>>3021557
stick to one brush, this weird combo of big round brush on the back + the small brushstrokes on the face (which also don't really seem to follow the form of the face) make it look like traced/a paintover.

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Do you own a mannequin?

>>3021535
If you can understand anatomy, you can control it.

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>>3021452
Okay /beg/, I totally suck at drawing bodies, even cartoon ones, but I want to focus on improving now.

Are there any specific books or resources that you recommend for a total beginner on bodies?

Any tips for drawing glasses on a portrait? Most of my attempts fall very, very flat.

>>3021567
yes they're useful, but contrary to popular opinion they're for lighting, not poses, or at least the pose part is incidental.

>>3021573
>but contrary to popular opinion they're for lighting, not poses, or at least the pose part is incidental.
Holy fucking shit, that explains so fucking much.

>>3021569
Sounds good to me, because right now I hate drawing figures. How do I get started?

>>3021586

>how to start figures

by drawing figures

/ic/ im trying to git gud at drawing characters i want to draw character concepts and people, what should i do for 3 hours a day for like 1-2 years to get good?
this is kinda what i could do right now:
http://imgur.com/a/XIxQU
>inb4 those drawings are so bad
im trying to get better.

>>3021590
You should study what's most important to you obviously as well as all the fundamentals.

>>3021571
Loomis, Proko

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I posted the first one the other day, I had another attempt.

I know it's still garbage, but is the picture on the right at least some kind of improvement? In terms of proportions etc.

How hard can it be to draw a girl holding a book, seriously, goddamn.

>>3021602
wow, you were already pretty good. How did you improve so quickly?

>>3021605

I read Loomis and drew boxes but I prefer to draw in my own style, please check out my blog and don't forget to like and subscribe

>>3021602
Why didn't you post your blog? I want to follow you

>>3021473
barely, but there should be lines on the neck due to the twist

>>3021614
>>3021609
>>3021605
>>3021602
brutal

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>>3021573
>>3021575
%100 correct, even the advanced ones are pretty limited in mobility. Pretty useful for perspective though.

>>3021602
In the efforts of NOT shitposting, you obviously get construction decently, you just need better studying skills to evolve out from weeb symbol drawing.

Fags here will say "muh Loomis" but Loomis is basically just construction: the book. You need to study more anatomy (or get better at studying in general), which will make it easier to, say, make skirts that don't look like paper.

>>3021557
Learn to blend, and don't copy a photo that's been posterized.

>>3021644
you have very fuckable girl-hands

>>3021605
>>3021614
what the fuck is wrong with this thread

>>3021651
Shitpost war, literal psyops

>>3021513
too deep for me

>>3021660
is he crying because his head is so wide

>>3021646

I guess it's the "studying" part that I'm doing wrong. Is that doing stuff like grinding out dozens and dozens of nude sketches from various angles?

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>>3021674
delet

>>3021678
oh no, you need more than dozens. Hundreds upon hundreds; it never ends. If you don't your art will always be shit.

>>3021684

To hell with it, I'm going to play DOTA2 instead

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Do all good artists go through early sketch stages before their final drawings?

>>3021705
no, pro artista never sketch

>>3021705
nah, all the ones I've seen skip it. It's a really bad habit to pick up.

>>3021712
How do I make sure I have solid construction for my final drawing then? I don't feel confident without having a sketch under me.

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>>3021705
YES (most of the time)
It's like writing a song, sometimes you need to fiddle around with the composition and values and brainstorming for a while, and sometimes you might get a spark of inspiration and paint something good in just a few hours

>>3021718
If you try and make your work look "solid" you're just going to make it look rigid and lifeless. Don't worry about it and just draw.

Do I HAVE to draw nude figures if I want to get good? I always get a boner and it's distracting.

>>3021723
Are you 13?

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>>3021722
>just draw bruh

>>3021726
I'm 23.

>>3021729
dont worry anon, i get boners too
i now draw naked humans instead

>>3021728
I'm sorry but if your attitude to art is "meme this" "meme that" could you just fuck off?

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>>3021731
>he didnt wanted to learn drawing so he can make some sick new memes

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WHY ARE BOXES SO HARD TO DRAW

Why do people say you should only draw with clean, long strokes?

>>3021741
Because they don't want you to succeed. Do what you want man, it's your style.

>>3021678
>>3021684
>>3021689

You WILL need to do a lot of grinding, but honestly that's just an "artist" thing. You don't need to become a master artist tomorrow, and you certainly don't need to abandon drawing your waifus.

But you should at least try to set some goals for yourself. Like, "this week I'm going to draw from at least one reference head, focusing solely on the eyes so that next week I can focus on incorporating what I learn about eyes into muh weebshit pics". Or "this week I'm gonna concentrate hard on just drawing boobies. Just nothing but straight boobies for 5-7 days.". You won't become an expert at eyes or boobies, but overtime you'll definately get a lot better at it.

And as you get better at drawing anatomy and other realistic objects you'll get better at simplifying said elements down so that you can perfect a distinct style rather than just sticking boxes together.

>>3021745
>this is what /beg/gars actually believe

>>3021741

Don't listen to >>3021742. Basically like most noob tricks it CAN work, but it's a crutch that will make drawing difficult images way harder than it needs to be. You need that fine motor control, you need that ability to draw clean and clear. If you still wind up drawing messy that's cool, but if you can't be specific when you need to be you're NGMT.

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>>3021748
ok, motivation is gone now
gonna get back to playing dota now

>>3021748
Everybody's got their vices, anon. If indulging in their shitty habits from time to time keeps them from burning out too soon, so be it.

>>3021750
>"muh motivation"

For fucks sake anon you play mobas you should know this shit by now. If you don't put in the time you just aren't gonna git gud. You gotta plug in the hour or two a day.

>>3021755
not him but moba players tend to be shitters even with a lot of hours. quite a bad example imo

>>3021755
if you don't have the talent then not even grinding can help you...

>>3021760
>"muh talent"

You need talent to go from fantastic to master tier, this is just going from scrub to low intermediate.

>>3021760
>muh motivation
>muh talent
what's next ? "muh genetics" ?

How do I avoid over-rendering?

>>3021774
lose a few hands

>>3021774
set a goal in your mind first

>>3021772
People that were born with a prettier face have a higher chance of getting hired than ugly people even if they both have the same qualifications, yes this includes also succeeding at life in pretty much anything.

The genetics meme is real fagot

>>3021793
>I can't draw because I'm ugly
lmao

>>3021795
attractive children have a 15% higher IQ on average then ugo kids

>>3021557

Don't paint over photos.

>>3021800
>muh IQ
The reason you're bad is that you're looking for excuses when you should be working on your skills.

With figure drawing, am I meant to exaggerate or get the figure down as accurately as possible?

>>3021804
NO THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS I CANT DO ANY BETTER BECAUSE GENETICS AND THAT S IT NOTHING MORE TO BE SAID CASE CLOSED FOREVER DONT REPLY TO MY POSTS OR ELSE

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>tfw this abomination took me an hour and a half

I think it's time for me to off myself

>>3021822
That fucking head my sides

>>3021822
thanks for the laugh, my family found it funny too. we all gotta start somewhere though. 10 minutes later im still laughing

Any guide for contouring the lines of the face?

I tried googling it but only makeup bullshit came up. Women ruining my art gains yet again.

>>3021848
just use bucket and fill it with skin tone
its all about the anime style now

>>3021822
XD

Anon, line by line, check every angle, how it compares with another, where it connects with another. Do it again, you can do it better, do it until you get a decent result, it's a good exercise.

Also thanks for the laugh, but don't get discouraged, climbing out of absolute shit into an average /beg/ is the quickest part anyway, going from /beg/ to decent is what takes a year or more.

>>3021855
>year or more
>>3020714

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>>3021851
Hahahahah

No but seriously

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>>3021861

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>>3021452
>attempt to try again at drawing from reference
>actually flip the image to minimize symbol drawing
>still comes out like shit

What do?

>>3021878
Fucking hell now I'm stumbling through my files to find the ref.

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>>3021878
Ref.

>>3021878
spend more time on it

>>3021861
I'm tired of that guy, it gets to the point where I don't know when people are memeing anymore.

>>3021878
Keep practicing until it doesn't become shit anymore.
If you think its shit it means you think you can improve since you know it is shit.

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How would you paint this?

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Am I allowed to copy other artists' works for practice?

Webm related

>>3021885
Sorry, I'm new, but why does everyone hate him so much? He isn't a tripfag is he?

>>3021878
grats for using a pencil

unironically read keys to drawing

>>3021649
Thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me, thank you.

>>3021893
Yeah you SHOULD be using references, but you need to understand how it works to be able to draw original pieces from your mind. Other wise you are spending thousands of hours learning to draw just to bypass the copy+paste tool

>>3021890
a heavy green then a lighter green layer over that and then a lighter green layer over that then a lighter green layer over that then i would add trees and the road

>>3021896
stick around and you will find out

>>3021893

Don't copy. Study.

>>3021919
Interesting. Do you always do darker to lighter?

>>3021929
Lighter colours are usually ontop because of light. Its how i was thought to colour warhammer back in the day.

I could be wrong

>>3021893
>>3021916

More specifically, references (more specifically studies) are supposed to increase your visual vocabulary. You still need a solid foundation in shit like construction and perspective to branch out into drawing from imagination.

>>3021878

Use ref where it's easy to see the form. Something with an obvious light source.

>>3021919
Fuck, would you use a custom brush there? I'm lost in how to make all the grass, it's literally impossible. I don't know how I would go to make a 1:1 copy of that image.

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I've been drawing as a hobby since I was a child, but only two or maybe at best 3 drawings per week, no exercises or studies, just random things I felt like drawing.

Where should I improve? My eyes are blind for any flaws, no matter how evident.

1/3

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>>3021989
2/3

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>>3021990
3/3

>>3021989
>>3021990
>>3021992
How do I get as good as you?

>>3021989
>>3021990
>>3021992
How are you so good?

>>3021994
the dudes not even that good but you need more practice and study

>>3021989
learn to shade properly and fix the faces, they look scrunched up in one and two. youre not that but your fundamentals need work. everything has bad symmetry too

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>>3021921
time to find out

>>3021989
>>3021990
>>3021992
how much for commission?

>>3021989
>>3021990
>>3021992
>two or maybe at best 3 drawings per week, no exercises or studies
I call bullshit, that's way too good

>>3021994
>>3022000
>>3022004
>>3022005
I don't know if I'm being fooled, but that really cheered me up

>>3022001
Ye, I always had difficulty with shading. I got the angle wrong in the second image, that's probably why it looks so weird. I'll try to improve.

>>3022005
Once last year and one more time this year I fell into a blind wish to get better at drawing, and spent almost a whole week just watching videos, reading books and doing exercises, training, etc. Each time I got a lot better, but that's it. I'm not very persistent

>>3021890
Look at the trees' shadows to gauge the sun's direction, then try to integrate it in how the mountain itself and its sub-components are shaded. That picture is flat as fuck, if you try to reproduce forms and shadows from direct observation you won't get nearly as good results as if you break it down and try to "cheat it" until it reads well.

>>3021896
Dude keeps putting dates into the same fucking drawings, has shown little to no progress, yet argues like a kid trying to tell everyone he's advancing. He doesn't take criticism at all, posts same drawing on different threads, draw thread, beg, everywhere just to get attention. Just an annoying little prick. So people started memeing him asking him how he made such incredible progress sarcastically, but some absolute /beg/s actually fall for the meme, overall, a really annoying situation that's shitting my dear /beg/ threads.

>>3022009
they are fooling you, im surprised no one said you have what it takes or whatever the jest was. dont fool yourself into thinking your good, you have to focus in now and draw (show) more than just faces. read the sticky

>>3022009
>I fell into a blind wish to get better at drawing, and spent almost a whole week just watching videos, reading books and doing exercises, training, etc. Each time I got a lot better, but that's it. I'm not very persistent
Try doing it for a year, that's what I did and it really did me good.

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>>3022009
HAHAHAHAHHA OMG THIS MUCH LACK OF SELF AWARENESS
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA

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>>3021873
>>3022012
>abloobloo stop progressing let me be a /beg/gar in peace
>>3022018
>>3021994
>>3022000
>>3022004
>>3022005
>abloobloo never progress let me be a /beg/gar in peace
I do not like this place
I do not like this place one bit

>>3022018
underrated post.

>>3022011
But would trying to recreate this flat image as it is be a nice exercise? Or would it be kind of pointless?

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quite liking vine charcoal at the moment lads

>>3022027
>abloobloo stop progressing let me be a /beg/gar in peace

How did you get that from my response?

>>3021933
I'd have to see the reference, but the stem looks misplaced to me, like it juts forward too much

What should I draw in my sketchbook?

>>3022077
a kangaroo

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>>3021465
IMO arms a bit long, head a tad small, the hand is also a bit small. Maybe slightly shorter torso would be nicer. IDK.

Ulna\radius is approximately the same length as humerus, that is not the case in the picture. Elbow is approximately level at lower ribs, boobs usually overlap that if big enough, like in this case, so it would end up around the point where boob ends. Palm is almost the size of the face in length, not much wider then the wrist tho. And the head is usually the reference to all the other parts of the body but I'm too lazy to measure things up accurately so I am judging by the eye here.

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>>3021602

Try some basic perspective. Study it to the point where you can get a simplistic mannequin in 2-point perspective and copy a simple geometric figure, like a cube, proportionally in a given scene. Also consider studying anatomy after that, even vague understanding of what attaches to what helps. Proportions - pic related. How to measure things - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>3021678

Yes and no. You grind to understand, not grind for the sake of grind. How much grinding till you get whatever you are studying depends on you and possibly the material you are studying.

>>3021750

Don't forget to hang that replay on the wall and remember what a good time that was.

>>3022077
an animal native to your region

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>>3022097
>those inacurate proportions and perspective
>calling it loomis
>t.Proko
ofcourse

To do Vilppu, should I get his book or watch his videos? Where do I start?

>>3022111
proko is actually incredibly crap

>>3022003
Your character is falling over backwards, her knees are not bent enough to support her. Also you need to work on your hands, she is holding that rapier wrong. Everything else is "style" so i wont grind you on that.

I can pick apart lots of the smaller things but just keep doing what youre doing and experimenting im sure you will figure it out.

Lastly, i would recommend going to /i/ if you just want to post art and get (you)s.

Where do you start your drawings? With the eyes?

>>3022115
watch his videos. best lecturer of figure drawing ever

>>3022123
with the dick.

>>3022123
with your hands

>>3022123
torso

>>3022123
Starting with the eyes is one of the most proportionally difficult things there are. You're better off starting with a head.

>>3022135
it is of course best to start out drawing the biggest thing, but starting from the eyes is no big deal, like it's not terrible if it helps you get into the picture. they are a pretty good basis for proportions

>>3022123
line of action

I want to learn how to build up my visual library and be able to measure proportions. I've got Loomis, Hamilton and Vilppu's books: which one is best to start off with? I'm thinking of going through all three of them to see which method works best for me.

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critiques on the head?

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>>3022154
Something is a bit off.
I like your style, by the way.

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>>3022157
thanks anon for doing the perspective grid and complimment me, really glad. i was clueless about what was wrong. i tried to fix it, for me is better now. but i still feel that something is pulling me off. I guess is the other eye too, yeah, fucking hard.

>>3022169
Hey, this looks so much better!
I think maybe you should try to shade a bit of the right side of her face too and see how it looks.
You're welcome. I wish I had my tablet with me right now so I could help more, though.

>>3022177
u already help me a lot anon. I love you.

>>3022169
somethings wrong with her left cheeck, draw hee without hair

>>3022185
i can not see the problem with the cheek, but if probably there is one, i wll just leave at how it is now, if we keep observing we will see thousands of fucked up things. I guess i ll just go to the next draw. The most disturbing thing i already fixed Thanks for the help. One day i ll draw the perfect animu girl, WRITE IT DOWN.

>>3022194
just to auto correcting me, the nose was fucked up too. I hate when you only see the problems after u finish the draw.

>>3021550
its way better than super thats for sure

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Howdy anons, it me again, i fixed some mistakes, but it doesnt feel right.... Along with improve hands and leg, what else can i improve this, thanks

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>>3022260
proportion and anatomy

>>3022336
Thanks anon, i guess it time to grind those things again

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Tell me I'm shit desu

>>3022350
You're shit but with a little bit of potential. A little bit.

>>3022350
potential right here

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>>3022350
woops

>>3022260
Your understanding of perspective is pretty poor.

I've found that drawing with gestures in mind a quick 10 minute sketch looks accurate while if I go by proportions and measuring angles etc a 35 minute drawing like abomination, but the problem is I can't draw a face I don't like, I begin to understand the feeling of elements and person and can't draw it.

What if you had to draw a face of someone you hate? How well would it turn out?

>>3022381
that's a little odd dude.
if you were writing fiction, would you not be able to write the bad guys

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I could use any tips, critique, advice yall got. Lay it on me. Warm up sketch and paint 30~45 minuites. (I have no idea how to paint omg)

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last one. i promise. turns out that when you spend time on things it comes out nice kinda

>>3022395
Learn to control your lines. It looks like you try to rush through the piece.
Also, why are you showing your warmups? A warmup is just a warmup. What matters are your studies.
Most of the flaws in this piece wouldn't be there if you put in more time and thought about every brush stroke first.

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based on a request I tried to draw the character 'clover' from fallout 3, this is the result.

Now here's the problem: in none of the screenshots I used as reference I was able to see the back or side of the characters head - as a result I think I really fucked up the hair, but I'm not entirely sure.

also something about the pose irks me, but I'm not sure what - maybe the shoulders?

Would be great if someone could take a look at it.

>>3022435
Thanks for the feedback! And I chose to post this because I believe it shows my skill in the rawest form. No refs no overthinking just drawing. That way yall can see very clearly what concepts I have and havent grasped. So in theory itll be easier to really know what i should be focusing my energy on.

>>3022445
I love the sky and background i think its gorgeous. As far as the pose i think the head is off centered with the shoulders and overall it seems to be tilted to the right. Hope I helped.

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>>3022445
your anatomy is shit, just look at those shoulders
your perspective sucks, just look at the gun
your face fundamentals suck too, symmetry is messed up

also i googled the character, she doesnt look that brown in the game, that also brings me onto the point of the clothes being fucked up. theres so many issues that you need to go over your basics.

>>3022395
did she fall from heaven because her face is fucked

>>3022464
wow, thanks i guess
a bit too offensive though

What is symbol drawing?

>>3022469
offensive? no, its direct.

>>3022472
when you draw what you see instead of whats there. google it

>>3022469
>>3022476
not me

>>3022464
while all valid criticism, not particularly helpful. I know my anatomy is shit, I wouldn't be posting here to get feedback if it wasn't.
Perspective wise, I think the gun can be fixed simply by changing how I drew where the trigger is placed.
Skin-tone: I probably corrected too far into the other direction by taking out all that orange, it's the result of trying to make the sky blue rather than the fallout yellow/green.

The main feedback I want is about said problems with anatomy. I know something is off with the pose (either shoulder/torso in relation to head, or head in relation to the rest of the body).

>>3022445
She's about to tip over.

>>3022478
you need to self study for better results in that regard, however pay attention to your ratios as your drawing, keep a reference up if you must. ideally instead of fixing this issue youd do a study in poses but with just the pose, no extras.

the head is too far right
shoulder widths inconsistent
breasts too high
wheres her rib cage?
i know the pose youre going for, make sure you convey the depth properly in it

sure i can point out a rather long list but it wont be helpful in the long run.try drawing the skeleton over the top now and compare the ratios to a real one. also i think the guns stock needs to be darker too

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i eventually stopped think after so many frustrating days

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Why are people in these threads so ironic and why do they provide downright wrong critiques

>>3022476
Google just shows me drawings of symbols. That's why I came here looking for a better answer.

>>3022489
1. 4chin
2. lack of knowledge; most people posting/lurking are, naturally, beginners themself

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>>3022499

>>3022445
You're aiming way higher than your current skill level calls for. On the bright side, finishing illustrations is a skill in itself, but don't forget to practice the fundamentals, especially perspective. If you want pleasant paintings, look into composition and color, they can do a lot for you. Also what the others said, but don't make that lead you to not finishing pieces anymore.

I appreciate the people here who lurk and ACTUALLY provide constructive criticism. Cause honestly nobody in here is a terrible artist. Its all just little things that need practice and improvement. Even if we all are beginners we can still help nudge each other in the rught direction I think. No reason to be an asshole about it though.

>>3022513
Dude, how did you get so good at motivational speeches? Could you share your blog?

>>3022504
fukken thank you

Fucking hell. I see my work, I know I draw the lines wrong, but I just can't fucking draw them properly. My eyes are good, but my hands just won't listen to them.

>>3022526
I would start by resizing and rotating my images before posting.

>>3022526
Resize and rotate my dude. I can live with it but other anons get super pissed off by this shit.

I know, I know, your phone or camera did it for you, but it's on you to upload this to your main computer and fix this crap on your own.

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>>3022527
I screen capped it and everything. Hope this works

>>3022531
The face looks kinda croocked, can you post the ref, if any was used?

>>3022489

>>3022502 nails part 2, I think part 1 is in part "lel ebik bantz :DDD", but also in part an intentional "we have nothing to say here really" sort of thing. At a certain point it's really just a matter of cracking open the books and really getting down and doing the work, and no critique can really help in that regard.

>>3022513
We need to scare the normies away.

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am I going in the right direction with this?

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>>3022532
Closest thing i got

>>3022541
omg, self portrait?
got snap?

>>3022513
its like working in a kitchen

>>3022540
smol head, long neck

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>>3022445
>>3022456
>>3022464
>>3022476
>>3022482
>>3022486

I tried to implement a few changes based on your suggestions, but I doubt I'll be able to fix any more than this in a reasonable amount of time (it's probably better to just let this image rest, train with a few studies and lots of construction+anatomy practice before revisiting it).

Is it any better now? Or did I accidentally make parts of the image even worse?

>>3022559
You're polishing a turd at this point. Move on to your next painting and practice your shit along the way. If you think the points given is something you can fix in a day you're in for a rough ride, boy.

Are Alphonso Dunn's videos any good? The guy has a good teaching style but I'm worried he might give bad advice.

>>3022564
He's good. Go for it.

>>3022559
youve done well in fixing a lot of the glaring issues but i agree, best to move on now. amazing how different they look with just a few changes. like i said before, do some independent study in poses and body proportions

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Any help with this study? please

>>3022154
>>3022169
It's the fucking same

>>3022584
are you blind?

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Some feedback?
How can i improve?

>>3022604
symmetry and hips

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>>3021855
not the same anon but what do you think of this attempt?

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>>3022625
STOP DRAWING THAT SDTUPID GUY YOU WONT IMRPOVE FFSS

>>3022643
but he looks so comfy with his big suit and his nice chair

How do I draw stylized things without doing symbol drawing? Is it possible?

>>3022649
Symbol drawing isn't something you have to do all of the time.

For stylization, work on construction. Of course, doing work to understand what you're stylizing first will always be a bonus.

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>>3022649
Morning: Copy from your favourite artists
Afternoon: Copy from real life models while using things you learned from your artists this morning such as "eyes, faceshape etc.
Evening: Draw from imagination with the things you learned today
>Repeat infinite till you get good enough and study some other shit like scenery, color theory or some other shit

>>3022674
Post your work
I need to know if this strategy works

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>>3022676
Im only drawing 6months-ish now,
I dont think my """"results"""" would say anything desu
I think my advice is atleast better than the "loljustdraw" but if anyone else has something better im willing to listen, I just want to imrpove same as you

This is what I have drawn today though if you were interested, studying scenery and colors now, gonna get back to drawing poses tomorrow again as im still shit at that

>>3022690
Oh shit you're not just a memer

Hey guys I'm new to /ic/, had a few questions as I wanted to get into drawing.

Firstly, I do eventually want to get into figure drawing but for now I want to draw clothing pretty well to plan out my design projects,( I'm not a art or design student or anything so I have no resources) where would be a good place or resource you guys have to learn how to draw garments and such? E.g. jeans, jackets etc. to a good standard.

Secondly, I need some colouring pencils, I already bought some cheap muji pencils for sketching and such but I was wondering should I just get any old colouring pencils or are there any good inexpensive ones I could get off amazon or from any shops (uk based preferred).

Sorry if that's alot to ask but thanks if you can help!

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>>3022699
Thanks anon, wasn't sure I wanted to post that but now I know I'll just keep to myself

>>3021514

I feel that you simplified the forms a bit too leisurely in the fingers and at times fell back on just copying patches of colors than actually working with form. Biggest offender is the pinky in the first study

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>>3021455
I would have drawn hands/feet with more detail if the image was a bit bigger. Messed up the proportions as well.

still need to figure out how perspective and light works i guess... am i doing ok?

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>>3022714
forgot image lel

Are there any good exercises for practicing light source? I think my shading is decent as far as technique goes, but I have trouble making it look like a single light source.

>>3022711
wow you have nice shading

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>>3022690
How do i find artists i like?

Also how do i do this with just pencil and paper cuzthats all i got. Seems hard to do without being able to use colour and stuff

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>>3022703
That was a compliment; I was saying you weren't talking out of your ass
Has /ic/ made us take everything as an insult?

>>3022711
learn anatomy so your not guessing about the parts your trying to draw and copying shadows randomly.

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>>3021457
I like it

How do you warm up?

>>3022771
>>3022504

>>3022761

go browse on artstation

>>3022778
I think DrawABox's stuff for the most part isn't that good, but his first two lessons are god tier warmups. I'll usually do ten to twenty minutes of those before diving into a long session.

>>3022336
this doesnt convey any new information.

What's the difference between drawing a real life object and drawing a photo of an object?

>>3022781
yeah, i have noticed that my attention often drifts from the reference to my drawing.

>>3022761
Start drawing that with pencil, lightly make out the shape and once you got enough "information" on your paper, then trace it with a pen or marker, whatever u like.

>>3022789

I've been doing drawabox exercise for the past few months. I have not improved at all. Plus do not understand how it even improves your art skill.

I don't know sometimes.

I'm feeling a creative block right now. What should I draw? Are there exercises that help you get out of your comfort zone?

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Learning perspective is actually pretty fun, put this still takes too long to make.

>>3022847

Nice Evangelion fanart you weeb

How does one break bad art habits? I notice I have poor line structure and am stuck in symbol drawing, such as drawing eyes a certain way. Is it a case of forcing them out through study?

>>3021625
are you talking about the sternocleidomastoid? wouldn't that be only flexed on the other side?

>>3022867
Usually.

Sometimes overcorrection is the best punishment. If catch yourself drawing a poor line, take another piece of paper and draw that same line 100 times over.

>>3022867
draw more

>>3022836
Months?? Holy crap. I hope it's not the only thing you did. Can't imagine you didn't improve. Post work before and after.

>>3022700
1. Pinterest
2. Polychromos

>>3022873
I was thinking of going through Fun With A Pencil by Loomis. Is it worth it or should I do Figure Drawing?

Where do I start with Vilppu?

>>3022919
When people say Vilppu, they mean his book.

What are some good fundamentals exercises for me to drill out?

>>3022931
did i ask you?

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This was fun, messed up when I retraced with marker.

>>3022931
What would you say the differences, pros and cons of Loomis and Vilppu are?

What is THE go-to books/videos/whatever to learn perspective? I really need to get this stuff down.

>>3022975
why are the little humans 2D?

>>3022998
Alphonso Dunn has a good video on perspective.

>>3022998
>Perspective Made Easy by Ernest Ralph Norling
into
>How to Draw by Scott Robertson

Is a pretty common progression as far as books go

>>3022901
ty

>>3023000
Just messing around on that.

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any reason to not be messy in photoshop?
with traditional you can actually ruin the end picture by being sloppy

>>3023024
Be messy and loose. It's easier to get ideas out that way solely because you have ctrl+z, layers, and a bunch of other tools (crutches) to facilitate a more refined idea generation process better.

>>3023024
Why be messy? it just creates more work down the road on the piece. Just get it right the first time in a couple strokes instead of repainted it over and fighting with it being drawn/painted poorly and lazily.

>>3023002
>>3023004
Thanks.

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Pic unrelated I'm just posting something from my sketchbook to catch your eye and get an answer faster


So I've been trying to read and watch a lot of the material from the sticky, sycra and proko and loomis, but I just feel it's all this scrambled stuff and I just feel like I need a cohesive path to follow. My question is this:

Is there any like set path of resources I should use and milestones to follow etc to get better? Like my end goal is to draw fantasy stuff so I know to start I need to learn fundies, but when do I know to move onto the next level? What should I be learning and for how long? I don't want to be learning something beyond my skill level if you get what I mean. Sorry for the confusion question I just feel so idk...I really like being efficient and I just feel like the way I'm learning is very inefficient. I feel like I need like a curriculum set in stone to follow

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Been awhile since the last ms paint thread. Exercise those creative muscles with some dated memes.

>>3023062
uh whoops my bad

>>3023056
just draw, draw, draw. you'll learn more from following your cat around and drawing him than by watching youtube videos. its often pointless to watch instructional videos without basic mileage. for example you wont understand or be able to follow any of vilppu's figure drawing videos until you have spent hours drawing figures and failing at it.

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Been working on a Venom drawing. Finally got the pen linework done, time to move onto shading. Any helpful tips/guides when it comes to shading heads/faces?

>>3023068
That doesn't help me. If you told me to just draw then I'd draw the fundies forever and never get to drawing what I want to draw because I'm too preoccupied trying to get good. I could be a master of fundies but not know it unless some rubric or some shit said I was fine

>>3023078
dont worry, just draw :)

>>3023077
>lined paper

>>3023083
Its all i had available to me at work at the time. Work with what you got.

>>3023078
>I could be a master of fundies but not know it unless some rubric or some shit said I was fine
Impossible which is why you need to draw.

>>3023081
I'll be 80 years old drawing perfect lines but still practicing wrist control. My wife and kids will have left me in a mental hospital where I will hang myself because I finally realized I could move onto gesture but the doctor said I only had a week

>>3023087
That was just a metaphor you understand my question.

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Are you really supposed to hold your drawing stick like this?

>>3023098
Do you do this with the stylus too?

>>3023024

Different people have different ways to draw and paint. If it's comfortable for you then do it. Be messy/loose all you want as long as you don't get lost in it.

Check out these guys

Dave Rapoza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgr4wMETmmI

Feng Zhu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKndZHlcgFE

Ville-Valtteri Kinnunen

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP2qfHQjhYr/?hl=en

Vargasni

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPYpdmygH6w/?taken-by=vargasni&hl=en

>>3023106
You can't do it with the stylus. Tablets don't recognize such a strong tilt.

>>3021458
Hispanic Chris Pratt, is that you?

>>3023098
You should hold the pen in the way that best facilitates the kind of mark you want to make the first image is to do tight details and the second and third is to lay down swatches of value you hold the pen that way to train for when you are going to hold a brush. If you plan on doing mostly digital work there is no reason to train using those kinds of grips.

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>>3023098
Usually only when you're working on a large drawing with charcoal or pastel

It makes drawing straight lines much easier if you are using vine charcoal

Yes, mainly for gestures and lines, then go back to grip#1 for the small intricate detail work. It's a switching between the two depending on how small you draw

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So i began drawing/painting landscapes a few days ago, im having a lot of fun with shapes, but when it comes to detail, i fuck up a top. Here i was really stuck in drawing cliffs, making the layers distinct from each other, the "river" isnt clear and everything is very blurry. Any tips how to improve?

>>3023132
dont paste a airbrush or textures on top of your drawing lmao, no wonder its all watered out

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How do i fix the hair?

>>3023132
That's one of the coolest fucking styles I've ever seen. Mind explaining your process?

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I based my drawing on this image. For me, the light just looked like this. Also had difficulties with the overall color, since everything is blue-ish + closer objects get lighter, which made no sense to me. I learned, the farther away something is, the lighter it is.

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Found out today my monitor gamma was way too bright and did some adjustments. Thought I'd share here since I found it interesting.

I made several layers for each mountain, colored them flat and at the end blended them with a "tree" brush with color jittering, but its not really the effect i aimed for.

>>3023153
ruined

Would it help or hurt to draw the same still life multiple times?

>>3023155
>colored them flat and at the end blended them with a "tree" brush with color jittering
LOL
drawing isnt that easy honey, you have to do each tree, each leaf indiviudal. and draw only with hard round brush, special effects like fog, clouds, epic lighting etc. come after you finished it

>>3023166

As long as you're learning from it.

>>3023153
>>3023163
I kinda agree that it was better with more contrast.

>>3023167
I seek ways to improve, sure, can you provide me any source?

And any reason why should i make my life hard if every freaking concept artist photobashes, uses premade brushes and photoshop tricks to make it look good?

>>3023173
https://www.youtube.com/user/BobRossInc

>>3023163
>>3023172
Is it possible your monitors could be uncalibrated as well, anons?

>>3023185
Even bob uses several brushes and techniques, does not help me with digital painting tho, but thank you anon

>>3023188
Yeah but isn't the first one supposed to be darker and the new one lighter?

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>>3023195
>Bob is hard
oh my god

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>>3023205

Me and a friend are doing draw a box and are on the animal lesson. Can we get critiques?

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>>3023246

Here's the first animal, we both did Stags.

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>>3023246

Here's the second one

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>>3023247
>>3023248

This is the reference image we both used

Just grinding cubes and trying to understand them in perspective.
I've been doing the exercises in drawabox, but what are some great box form + perspective exercises that'll help me grasp and understand them more?

hey /beg/. It's been a while. any tips for pushing creature design to make it look more unique? also any issues with this badboy? thanks as always

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>>3023309
sorry, the file was not the right size

>>3023311
How do I get as good as you?

>>3023312
effort and time my guy

>>3023315
mostly effort. It's taken me longer to be able to do this than I'd care to admit. There are ways of streamlining gitting good, make sure to study in on them while progressing. Each piece should be a step forward and a challenge, while also re-enforcing what you just learned. I would take the time to learn one thing and get it good, then use it a few times before trying to learn another, and it has sent me back months below the progress I should be making

best of luck friends. And thank you for the compliments

>>3023246
Thats fucking cute I wish I had a friend like that.

>>3023324
>>3023324
>>3023324

>>3023324
>>3023324
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>>3023324
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>>3023324

>>3023324
>>3023324
>>3023324

>>3022771
You need to measure shit more often. How big is his face compared to his hair? How many eyes wide is his face? How much of his face should his lips take up? Questions like that.

>>3022847
What book are you using?