Who is the most beautiful woman in all of art?

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>>3017834
I like this one a lot

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Any painting featuring women of this caliber.
I wish I'd know the specific ethnicity.

>>3017834
It me, I'm the most beautiful

>>3017904
Looks Spanish to me.

>>3017835
I wish there was porn as erotic as a Klimt painting

>>3017835
Ugly. If you saw that woman on the street you wouldn't even notice.

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>>3017834

your waifu
mary magdalene across all depictions
any woman by simon vouet

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>>3018029

>>3018015
Speak for yourself

>>3018044
okay, drag queen lover.

this almost feels like a forced meme. those examples aren't attractive by a long shot. sadly the artists painted them more attractive than they even were a lot of the time so i guarantee they looked even worse in reality

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>>3017834

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the first loli

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most beautiful women are tall Korean

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as modern artists go, i'd say any woman drawn by nurzhan bekkaliyev.

>>3018031
this

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>>3017834

>>3017904
too pale to be spanish but definitely western european, I'd say English, French or Welsh

>>3018226
the worst

>>3018186
second worst

>>3018236
You must be a fucking retard.
This is R. Crumb you unworthy faggot.

>>3018186
i know beauty is subjective, so is art, everyone has their taste, etc.

But what in the world is grabbing you about that image???? I'm goddamn baffled over here, I'm not seeing it.

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sargent did a few portaits of this woman but i think they were restricted to just studies. my fav of the three

>>3018255
It's his own painting. I think he's just saying korean women are hot.

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>>3017834
I don't know but this is one of my favourites

>>3017834
i always thought those two little girls by sargent were top notch in terms of beauty, not in a sexual way though obviously, i think the painting is called 'the two daughters of mr. bolt' or something like that

>>3018228
>Never been to Spain, never seen a Spanish person

Spanish people can be pretty white, friendo.

>>3017963
now that you mention it, we've got so much porn nowadays and none of it it's erotic. It's all kinda mechanical and anatomycal

>>3018228
i'm Spanish and i'm paler than that. Spaniards are not mexicans.

>>3018282
what a pleasant smile

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>>3017834

I'm trying to decide this question as well.

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>>3017834
>Who is the most beautiful woman in all of art?

Pic related, the purest of them all.

>>3018593
fucking faggot, please die painfully

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Here is one

By Romney

>Mona Lisa not posted

bunch of fucking heretics

>>3018245
yeah and r crumb was degenerate

he even says so himself so what are you smoking

>>3018593
>that rendered neck
either don't render it, or make it a little thicker

>>3018834
So the artist is now judged by his characteristic instead of his art?

Crumb, still better than Loomis and most of the art posted here.

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>>3017834

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You know its her

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Only correct answer

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>I have tried to destroy the picture of the most beautiful woman in mythological history as a protest against the Government for destroying Mrs Pankhurst, who is the most beautiful character in modern history

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>>3019543

>>3018804

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-QlMdZBEf0&feature=youtu.be&t=31s

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>>3018804

>>3019913

Gross as hell, but I can't deny that Lucien Freud has some impressive rendering chops.

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Sargent women desu

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correct answer

>>3020330
lmao those are some bigass feet

>>3020330
perhaps they're hobbits, or boogs was a ref fag and could only get a grown woman for the feet.

>>3020365
Are they?

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>>3020365
Have you never seen children before?

>>3017834
>that chin

>>3020365
No?

>>3020387
puppies aren't children lol, and aside from that one of the girls has normal feet and one has size 12s

>>3020365
>>3020572
Feet are about the length of the person's forearm
There's nothing wrong with the size of the feet

>>3018031
who is this qtp2t

>>3018372
my god

>>3019721
why don't woman with these kind of faces exist anymore ;-;

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>>3019543
Wish she was real so I could throatfuck her while she looks up at me with those beautiful eyes

>>3021189

Olga of Kiev, also a certified badass.

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I win.

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>>3018031

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It's just a detail but I have always loved this little nun from Boyarynya Morozova

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I'm still in love with this one.
>>3018031
That's fantastic.
>>3019730
I like it.

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You'll probably all say needs more loomis but I can't help but find this modigliani nude extremely attractive.

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>>3021776
If we're doing impressionists as well

>>3021668
THICC paint

>>3021776
looks like my first drawing ever

>>3021805
Post one of your drawings, I need a good laugh.

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Mary and St. Anne (with Jesus and John).

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I must be a sucker for sepia.

>>3021641
Holy shit

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It's a toss up between every woman alphonse mucha ever drew.

>>3021898
there's a mucha book I checked out from the library once that had an early sketch of his, which i think was the same subject as pic related. hylas and naiads?
I've never been able to find it again but it was so gorgeous

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>>3021939
forgot pic

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>>3021939
This one maybe?

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>>3019543
Her crooked lazy eyes?

>>3018186
This is incredibly ugly and unappealing. It does not make me feel anything.
Knowing you, though, you'll probably think I just "don't get it".
You're not Van Gogh, Chun. People won't discover your art in 50 years and think you were the greatest.

You obviously have a drive, and I respect that, but you need to get off our high horse and grind and actually get good before self-promoting yourself nonstop.

>>3018186
Also, I don't care that your RISD professors think you're the next Picasso. you're not.

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>>3021827
stretched image
>>3021835
Yuck! Is this what Picasso meant when he said he could draw like Raphael? Not even close. What a horrendous mockery.

>>3021194
thats just a chubby zlim girl.

>>3018372
jesus christ, this looks like a photograph

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>>3022759
>stretched image
Yes, da Vinci by way of The Greek -- Mannerist style -- and he worked for the pope so it's all justified.

>Yuck! Is this what Picasso meant when he said he could draw like Raphael?
It's mostly a touch-and-go influence. In his childhood drawings, you see some mythic characters that could be found in Raphael. In the later 19th century work, you can see that he manages to block in multiple figures like Raphael. Look into the Café drawings, they're often a mélange of Raphael, Renoir and Toulouse-Lautrec. What do you have against exposed feet, it looks like Bassano's Last Supper.

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>>3022779
Looks like she's wearing a goddamn mouth guard. The feet are too cute.

>>3018372
I'm hard

not because of the woman, but because of the rendering

>>3022817
well she's scared as shit, a flying baby is sexually assaulting her, you'd make a weird face too

>>3017904
Spanish, Italian, or Moortuguese.

>>3022813
No, the jpg is stretched. None of what you said makes sense anyway. Ancient Greek art influence is not substantial in Leonardo, nor would an earnest interest in it lead to mannerism in any case. Leonardo was not a mannerist. Neither in the modern concept of the term as a historical style, nor in the sense of his contemporaries. Leonardo wrote against mannerism in general even before the Mannerist style as we know it today, which is a distinctly Clementine style, was even born. Just imagine how much more Leonardo would have blamed the Mannerist style. If by "The Greek" you mean El Greco, there is not one hour that Leonardo was a contemporary of El Greco.

I can not see any that could be by Raphael from Picasso. He never reached the subtlety and surety of line that Raphael had. Nothing of what characterize Raphael can be found in Picasso. Their personalities are too different.

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Maybe the painting is more beautiful than the woman but every time I look at this my heart flutters

>>3020576
ayy

>>3022996
i think he meant michelangelo brah

>>3022888
My nephews are over, if they start looking for reproductive organs in my head I'd be very concerned.

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>>3017834
i always liked this one

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>>3022654
you two are a delusional and jealous bunch

it is truth and self evident that my art has merit. the more i accomplish the less ground you will have to make such delusional opinions.

your stance is an ever retreating front of denial and jealousy in light of truth which is self evident. my art has merit

>>3023072
it's weird that you had this same attitude when your art was um still in development, i find it really inspiring that you've like always been sure your art is great, and then it turns out it really is. i guess you just like fighting with people.

>>3023076
XD my self back then was delusional.

my art back then was really awful.

not any longer. my art is good now.

>>3018186
terrible.
>>3018796
>>3018031
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>>3022999
great.

>>3023090
i will take that as a compliment. :D
my art is so unique

>>3023092
no its just the worst thing in this thread.there is plenty of bad art like yours

>>3023108
your opinion does not affect my success in anyway. people see my art as something special.

>>3023114
well they would be wrong. but keep it up i guess.

>>3022779
Always found this to be a very poor portrait. Expression just seems completely off. Surprised it's always posted in /ic/ as an example of great work.

>>3023128
lol

>>3021946
oh wow, I think it was an early draft of that
I remember it being just the bottom half, and without as many figures

>>3023114
If being delusional helps you improve then more power to you, bud.

>>3023150
haters are always going to hate.

>>3023118
yea, haters are always going to hate.
People can never be happy for the success of others because it expose their own failures. Ironically they like to idolize people they want to be, and become loyalists. This is the worst trait an artist can possess because it will stop them from ever progressing.
All because of opinions or following a certain minority group... salty bastards.

>>3023215
im just sayin i dont like it, its fine if other people do and i hope he makes it but imo its garbage.
a lot of people like garbage art.

>>3023215
this is just sad desu
personally, my art has a ton of flaws but at least i recognize it instead of having 0 self awareness and pretending to be 'successful'

>>3023245
art is not about flaws but inspiration.
art is not about limiting oneself. it is about discovering your strengths and utilizing them to your fullest potential.
art comes down to the idea and the statement that define the work in essence. its not a matter of nitpicking.

a flaw from one perspective can be strength in another. do not let your ideology blind you.

>>3017835
Ugly

>>3023255
yikes

>>3023255
>do not let your ideology blind you.
perhaps you should listen to your own advice.

>>3018282
She looks like the devil from that Jesus snuff movie.

>>3023264
i dont need to.
i am open minded because i accept all forms of art that is good. you are close minded because you will accept only specific styles of academic, realist and representational art. thats called being blinded by one's ideology.

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youre all wrong

>>3023268
no i like some non realist art. you are just assuming that because i didn't like your art and enjoyed the realist pieces presented in the thread..
for instance i liked your painting of admiral yi which was not realistic, very eastern stylized look to it but still good. (yeah i looked you up to see other things)
i almost like the ukranian angel portrait.

i disliked mostly everything else though.
i like francis bacon and thats not realistic.
i like masahiro ito and thats not realistic in many cases.
i like some anime and thats not realistic.
i could continue this but i wont.

>>3023255
No, that's not art. That's postmodernism.

>>3023280
i will also add i like your painting of the fighting siberian tigers.

>>3023299
ok so.... after going back through your art, how did you go from being pretty good in 2008 and 9 (the high school stuff)to being what you are today.... the difference is night and day....

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>>3023072
Ok Chun I was the one hating on you.
I want to hear what you have to say in defense of your artwork. I really do want to see what you're going for in your work since you seem to be so excited about it.

Given the subject of the thread, I would assume that you are trying to depict conventional beauty in this piece.
Why then do the women's faces seem so grotesque? Their eyes are beady, and you use pure black to highlight wrinkles in uncanny, thick outlines.
Furthermore, why is their posture so awkward and stiff? Stiffness and awkwardness can be used well, but in the case of portraying femininity and beauty, it doesn't work. There is no feeling of movement or weight.

Furthermore, what is with that butt??? It looks like two bowling balls in a plastic bag. It makes it look like you have no understanding of anatomy.

I could go on, but imma stop there. Remember: I honestly want to know the answers to these questions. I am not just hating on you because I am "jealous and delusional" (as you accused me to be). I do not see beauty or merit in your work, so I am giving you a chance to help me see the light. I am not lying when I say I don't see much merit at all. I am not trying to piss you off. I'm just sharing my opinion.
You don't have to simply address the points I brought up here. Feel free to enlighten me on however many points as you wish.

PS: I find your lack of humility to be offputting. This is just a personal thing, but you need to learn that humbleness is very important

>>3023128
>>3022817
Please show me how her face is flawed

>>3021194
They never did. It's a face with idealised proportions.

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>>3023691

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>>3023584
As the other anon pointed out, looks like she's wearing a mouth guard, also her eyes seem to be falling out of her face.

>>3023534
I dont understand what you are saying. Where did I put black wrinkles? The eyes are abstraction.

they dont seem awkward to me.

the butt is fine. how should it look? i wanted to censor so it looks like that.

>>3021991
damn...

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>>3018186
You know Chunbum, you need to study some naive artists. I don't think art need to be realistic or even proportional to be good. But you still need to work on the appeal of your pieces.

>>3018372
>That fucking marble.
>That fucking mirror.
>That fucking pinched drapery.
>THAT FUCKING ARMPIT.

i'm done

>>3020777
Really like this

>>3023718
its shit

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This

>>3023769
>that anatomy
lordy

>>3023751
Don't try to help Chunbum. He'll just get offended that you're criticising his work.

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>>3023718
You are beyond saving.


Have fun living in your own little "I am the greatest artist of all time" world.

>>3023783
Is this bait? No idea who the artist is but I'm 99% sure the anatomy is intentional.

>>3018186
Millions.... These will make millions!

>>3023875
Jean Fouquet, 1450

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>>3023718
You still haven't defended your artwork.
I honestly want to hear what you have to say about your work.
Why should I appreciate your work?
Why does it have merit?
What do I gain from this piece?
What am I not getting?

Give me your artist's statement.

>>3024096
The painting depicts traditional Korean (and Asian) beauty, in order to challenge the modern views of beauty within Asian societies that are heavily influenced by anime, manga, and plastic surgery.

It depicts eyes of the women with slants and lines, yet they are quite beautiful. This is again a challenge against the racist stereotype that Asians have "slanted" and narrow eyes, which, while true statistically, doesn't mean they are inferior or less beautiful in any way.

You can say the women are not beautiful, or the painting is not successful.

I will say the women are indeed beautiful, and the painting is quite successful in all levels of critical examination.

This comes down to the matter of truth, and who is right or wrong. I believe there is truth in the eye of God, and among many opinions there are those that are closer to truth and those that are farther from it.

I believe there are people who have an affinity for truth and those who have an affinity for falsehood. I believe I am one of those who has a tendency for truth in midst of chaos.

The tiger symbolizes truth. And the woman holding the tiger is the queen because she is closer to the truth.

In our time, truth is sick. The lady in green clothing is a human who is offering warmth and care to the tiger brought by the nymphs of the mountain (in the background).

The subject of beauty is a form of projection of power by people of specific culture or ethnicity. Something to think about.

>>3023834
I never said I was the "greatest artist of all time". That must be a subconscious reflection of your impression of me.

>>3024132
and you thought about this before or during the painting? or just made it up after people started asking the meaning.

>>3024168
I never make up anything. I think of myself as an oracle that murmurs truth unconsciously. Images are constructed as if being revealed in a dream. The subconscious reveals what to paint and where. The conscious part of me doesnt know the full meaning of the work until it sees the entire image upon completion.

I never plan anything consciously. I refuse to do so because I believe art should be free from planning which is done as if it were some kind of cognitive feat. Planning destroys the merits of the painting due to spontaneity and accidental discovery. It also kills chance for experimentation.

Meaning is interpreted in retrospect just like meaning is attached to works of art in historical context. The Scream by Munch is often used to illustrate the horrors of World War I and II but the painting was actually painted before the two wars happened.

>>3024132
>>3024196
>That must be a subconscious reflection of your impression of me.
>I think of myself as an oracle.

This is why you're so infuriating and unlikable. You don't have a shred of humility.

This is another reason why you won't be successful unless you change yourself. Even if your art was good, your personality would still turn people away.

You're insufferable, cumbum.

I know you'll probably just say that I'm jealous (I'm not).
You're deluded.

>>3024196
>The conscious part of me doesnt know the full meaning of the work until it sees the entire image upon completion.

so you made it up after you finished it.

>>3019460
Not gonna lie, this is one of my favorite paintings for how much it broke the norm at the time

>>3021941
wow, stunning

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>>3024132
>The painting depicts traditional Korean (and Asian) beauty, in order to challenge the modern views of beauty within Asian societies that are heavily influenced by anime, manga, and plastic surgery.

But all the women all have the same face, which I assume, conforms to another "standard" of beauty.

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>>3019543
>>3019730
she kinda looks like

>>3024400
exactly. that similarity is due to plastic surgery, anime and manga.

>>3024419
no i think he meant in your painting.they all have the same face.

>>3021641
No way
fucking Ralph
I knew it

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I have art crushes on all of these women.

>>3023001
lmao

>>3023370
Holy fucking shit I have boners both in my dick and my soul.

>>3023268
It's hard to like art that one may have before once you learn the foundations and general rules to creating a masterpiece. I don't mean a masterpiece in Old Masters sense, just in a completed and refined sense -- there's merit in anything that someone creates if they have the tools to bend original rules, and it took time spent in conscious effort of growth, but what you make just doesn't appeal to that.

Yes, you've grown since you started but it still seems like you're not painting out of a good college try, and instead are painting in your comfort zone while intentionally going against what you learned/should learn. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to be negative - you have skills that can be pushed, so it frustrates others that you're happy where you are at the moment. Harsh lines and blocks of color have their place, so does a lack of depth, but you can do better and posting your own work in a "best of..." or "greatest..." themed thread is sort of out of left field.

>>3024543
i have a crush on the fish

>>3024196
Fucking screencapped. This is gold.

>>3023084
Holy fuck you cannot make this up

>>3024654
I never said my art was the best or the greatest.

I said the women in my art are most beautiful to me.

>>3024196
if you need to """""consciously"""" write long ass paragraphs to prove your paintings have any merit or truth then I guess your subconscious doesn't really want to share any of that with /ic/. It's basically telling you to stop posting here

>>3018804
Mona Lisa is ugly af

>>3025246
you make absolutely no sense.

>>3025321
It does make sense actually.

lady godiva

>>3025332
I wrote the explanation subconsciously as well as consciously.

>>3025385
I HONESTLY, GENUINELY think you're autistic or something

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Sargent really knew how to keep it simple and majestic.

>>3025397
wishy wishy doesnt make it really really

>>3025449
You keep proving my point.

>>3025397
Holy shit... it all makes sense now

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>>3017834
She was suppose to be super pretty.

>>3025487
>>3025519
you have a really bad habit of accusing people of being autistic in order to defame them just because you are jealous and can't handle their art which is probably better than yours
sorry but it's true.

>>3025549
wow you just never stop do you.... cant handle their art...hahahahahha
better than mine hahahaha...

>>3025575
I could go on and on as long as you keep accusing me of being autistic, which I am not.

Have you not ever thought it might be better to be friends with me rather than provoke me with groundless accusations?

I am open to being friends with anyone who is an artist.

>>3025582
im not the same anon, im the one earlier who you said only liked realistic stuff and promptly proved you wrong about that and went through all your stuff and looked at it who you never got back to about it.

>>3025583
Thanks for liking those works, anon.

It's bound to happen that people will like certain paintings and dislike others among those that I've produced.

I just have faith that the painting - Queen of Goguryeo - is one of my best works.

The women especially the one at the center is really beautiful to me.

Fighting Siberian Tigers is an amateurish work with wrong proportions. It has nice colors though.

Admiral Yi portrait, to me, is not real art. It was a commission and a poor attempt at portraiture.

Ukrainian angel is alright.

Thanks for looking at all of my art on my blog, anon. I would love to check out your art as well. Wanna be friends? :)

>>3025582
I can handle your "art." An eight year old can handle your "art."
What I can't handle, and I think I speak for a lot of people, is your fucking personality.
You REALLY have no idea what you're actually arguing about, do you?

I bet you even blacked out humility in your own dictionary.

>>3025590
not particularly. go through the promotion thread , i'm in there. but i will make you guess who i am if you want see my work..but like other anons have said your lack of humility is off putting.
keep up your work though .

>>3025595
That sounds like a very extreme metaphor.
You make it into an issue of my personality after trying to stomp down on my art, but it's really the issue of you trying to deny the merits of my art, not my personality.

Again, I won't let you try to defame me by saying I am autistic and I have no idea what I am talking about.

None of your accusations and metaphors and claims logically follow each other. It's an emotionally mixed up stir fry of falsehood and wishy washy attempt at defamation.

It's your choice to become friends with me, or argue on and on for an eternity.

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>>3017835
Good taste

Pic is personal favourite

>>3025628
that certainly is a cute one, nice

>>3025613
I never attacked your work. Don't say I'm attacking your art because I'm not

>You make it into an issue of my personality after trying to stomp down on my art, but it's really the issue of you trying to deny the merits of my art, not my personality.

Wrong I'm actually critiquing your personality. It is a CRITIQUE board.

>calls himself an oracle
>says his work has divine meaning
>can't actually take critiques
>nor can he take opinions that oppose his viewpoints
>comes back to a place where he ruined his own credibility
>keeps posting artwork that doesn't change, showing he's not actually practicing the craft that which he calls masterpieces
>has "finished" pieces, yet needs an essay to even give the painting any meaning. As a result, he has a "Tell, don't show" mentality
>closed minded to anything that doesn't praise his artwork
>uses his artwork as a shield to protect his own personal ideology
>moves goalposts constantly
>always plays victim, and changes the argument (even if it avoids a topic)
>calls things false because in his eyes, they aren't true, even though in reality there is much evidence to prove otherwise

You know, everybody has their own list of things that are "wrong" with them. I have a long one, all 7-point-something BILLION people on this earth have a list of negative things. We all have lists whether we like it or not. It's a matter of acceptance of other people's lists and a willingness to make compromises with an open mind. There are artists from ALL walks of life on this site. Some less or more fortunate than others, different backgrounds, environments, mentalities, etc. For you to say, "any of you who don't like my art just don't "get it" and won't ever "understand" the "greater meaning" because it is "high contemporary art." Instantly alienates you. It shows you don't actually respect anyone on this board nor are willing to hear what they have to say. It shows you aren't willing to make compromises. It shows your lack of humility.

>>3025672
Well then I must remind you that the reason why you assume I have an intolerant personality for criticism is precisely because people tried to stomp down on my art which has merit - particularly my best works.

Even if you never attacked my work & you are attacking my "personality" you must keep in mind the sequence of events that led me to this spot.

Your long sarcastically written laundry list of criticisms reveals to me that you are just hell bent on criticizing me with no real purpose & substance other than to defame me.

Sure it is a critique board, but shouldn't the critique be of someone's art, not personality?

I never said stuff about greater meaning blah blah high contemporary art. All that garbage you just spewed out is a reflection of your own inner state of mind and severely distorted opinion regarding contemporary art. You seem to hate contemporary art without real reasons or being able to understand it. You are making a bunch of unnecessary & completely unfounded assumptions about me & contemporary art in general.

And it is your pathetic wish & desire to have me "alienated" by constantly repeating that I have issues and will be alienated.

If you keep repeating something over & over, no matter how false it is, people start to get the impression that it's true, & that's what you want, apparently.

Sure, I can concede I don't have much humility. But your crimes are much much worse than mine. Mine? Lack of humility?

And yours? Vicious & incessant urge to criticize, reject, stomp down, defame & denigrate someone for making art that you hate for ideological reasons, making up stuff on the way & making unnecessary and unfounded accusations about my character.

You are the real criminal in this situation, & you deserve to be banned permanently by the mods.

You keep making stuff up and attacking my "personality" saying I am autistic and what not. You are a real criminal and a real offender of rules of civility and civil community.

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this tbqh

>>3025808
his point is that your work isnt even good yet you keep claiming it is whilst dismissing criticism.

>>3026005
no he is claiming i am autistic, lacks humility and will be alienated - none of which is true except in his tiny little brain.

He is not so innocent as you make it sound.

>>3026007

Look man. I know this is 4chan and it’s a fucking cesspit filled with people who will tear you down out of jealosy and insecurity. I’m pretty new to this board, and not one of the anons you’ve been arguing with, but I really hope you start listening. There is value in their critique. You can’t just plug your ears and scream about how your art has merit. That’s not for you to decide. Maybe it speaks to you, and if you’re making art purely ror yourself, then that’s perfect. It doesn’t matter what other people think.

But when you release it to the world, particularly to strangers (MOST important - people you know personally will rarely give you honest critique, especislly if you have built up your personality around ‘being an artist’ and they know this - and it sounds like you have), you’re going to hear how your art communicates with other humans. That’s what art is right? Communication? You’re in one of the few places where you can recieve honest critique about how your art communicates. You’re recieving an overwhelming majority of anons saying your work doesn’t work - and that you’ve regressed, or gone down the wrong track. You can’t just them they’re wrong, that the art is speaking beautiful phrases and that they’re just too thick to understand. That;s not how art works. Sure, pieces and artists can be divise, but when you are getting so much of the same criticism, it’s time to consider that it may have merit.

I myself spent a good half hour or so going through your blog. I love a broad range of art, and your earlier work showed real potential. You were lacking a little in some technical areas, but there’s a real gamesmanship to your brushtrokes and use of colours. There’s something in them that genuinely speaks to me. But your newer works have none of this. They are lacking more in all technical aspects, while simultaneously lacking in soul and energy. I don’t know what your journey has been, what place art has in your life and in your identity, but it seems like you have taken a large misstep somewhere along the way, and I’d urge you to consider stepping back, letting yourslf be vulnerable, and rethink these things.

To me, it seems as though you’ve taken on the mantle of “artist” as your primary identity, the thing which you derive all your selfworth from. And you want to feel good (better) about yourself (we all do). Maybe somewhere along your artistic journey, you were struggling, and instead of pushing yourself harder to explore and practice and forge further down a difficult pathway (with the possibility of ‘failing’ and thus becoming a ‘failure’ as a person), you subconsciously decided to take the easy path, doing what you knew, doing things that had been done before and were proven to be safe. But that is failure. Can’t you feel it when you work? The fact that you aren’t pushing yourself like you used to?

You seriously have talent and the potential to be great, but you are not there and you are headed down the wrong path. Yes, there are people here who will tear anyone and everyone dwon for no reason. It’s fine to disregard people like that. But there are people here, artists who, like myself, genuinely want others to succeed, and it’s frustrating to watch and listen to you tooting your own horn and ignoring all advice while going so far astray. We literally just want you to make it. I didn’t spend all this time writing this to ‘stomp on your art’, or to make you feel bad. But because to succeed as an artist outside of art school you need to hear it and I really, really hope you listen.

>>3023057
Looks like crappy photograph in bad lighting.

>>3023084
>my art back then was really awful.
Out of curiosity, Chun, would you mind posting one of your old works you consider "really awful", so we can compare it to your recent stuff? That might help us see the qualities you see, by means of comparison..

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>>3026183
here is one of the absolute worst i did experimenting.

>>3025808
If I had the willpower and free time, I could go back through all of the posts you've ever made on this site and fucking quote you for everything you said you've, "never said," you would be embarrassed how many quotes I could pull.

>criticisms reveals to me that you are just hell bent on criticizing me with no real purpose & substance other than to defame me.
I'm not going to spell it out for you. If you think this whole thing is about defaming, stomping your work, or even baseless accusations, you are very, very wrong. There is a lot of evidence to show that you really don't care about anyone and their opionions on this board, yet you keep coming back with art that looks the same claiming it is the next "masterpiece." Further evident by the way you protect said piece from any sense of negativity. It happens every time you come here.

>If you keep repeating something over & over, no matter how false it is, people start to get the impression that it's true.
It seems like this is something you're aiming for, actually. Why else would you come back.

>shouldn't the critique be of someone's art, not personality?
Ok let me just crit your work. OH WAIT, I CAN'T. I wonder why?

If you want people to stop arguing with you, be open about critiques, hear what people have to say, and respect their judgement. It may be right or wrong, but that doesn't mean you should consider them "incapable of understanding"

If you tear apart anyone's personality, you'll look like an asshole. I tore yours apart because it is obviously apparent that you are not aware of who you are. I look like an asshole but, I did so to show how RIDICULOUS you are.

>Vicious
Sure
>reject, stomp...
Nope again I never attacked your work.
>work you hate
Never once did I say I hate your work.
I called it similiar to itself. That's it.
>Baseless claims
They're baseless in your eyes b/c you are confined to the "reality" that which you have built for yourself.

You're just a kid with too much free time.

>>3026171
Nope I am headed on the right path. I love my art. People on ic are ideologically biased regarding art and have distorted opinions. Loomis loomis? Give me a break. No one in real life knows who Loomis is.

The path I chose is not an easy path as you claim.

I am a tiger. When I was conceived my dad dreamed of me appearing as a tiger. The night before I was born I again appeared as a tiger in my dad's dream.

Koreans have such dreams about conception and birth of a child.

I listened to my dad talk about the dreams about me. They are quite fascinating.

>>3026207
When did I specifically say the word "masterpiece" to describe my art? You are making stuff up.

Bring them up. I will explain to you what I meant so you can understand. You seem to misunderstand everything I say and mischaracterize them.

>>3026211
Sigh. Well I tried. GG in the real world once you get out of asspat academy. You’re going to be in for a real shock. I just hope you’re happy doing art in your free time, for your own eyes only, because no one else will ever really give a shit.

>>3026195

looks like one of your new masterpieces desu

>>3026216
Let me ask you this:
When someone critiques your work in a way you don't like. How do you respond?
Not a loaded question. I am curious as to what goes through your mind when someone says something you don't like/ goes against your ideological viewpoint

>>3023072
Howabout you explain your reasoning for calling two people delusional and jealous
>Delusional - based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken
>Jealous - feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages

You have assumed that based on their honest viewpoints that 1. their perception of your artwork is not actually correct, and 2. they are envious of your achievements and growth.
If you were to actually read what they have to say, you would realize they are neither jealous or delusional. To make such a claim is rather unprofessional, and frankly says more about who you are than I have said already. You misinterpret meaning and intention and put yourself on the pedestal. You manipulate interpretations so that anything "wrong" or "misunderstood" is seen as victimizing in your eyes

>>3023114
>your opinion does not affect my success in anyway. people see my art as something special.
Are you fucking kidding me. Are you THAT BLIND to what you type on this website? Do you really know what you're saying? This right here proves EVERYTHING that I've argued.

>>3023268
>i am open minded because i accept all forms of art that is good
"Good" is subjective. "Good" is a way of differentiating something from "Bad", which is also subjective. Usually open-mindedness means you are willing to consider new ideas. Except you already have an idea of "good" in your head, disregarding anything else that doesn't align with your ideology, hence you are not open-minded.

>>3026211
> People on ic are ideologically biased regarding art and have distorted opinions.
Need I say more? You're digging your own grave. You are full of bullshit and yet you keep replying.

Again I ask, why do you keep coming back?

God, who actually cares about all this chunbum crap? Right or wrong he can do what he wants, his life, his problem. Way to derail a good thread.

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I love all the Klimt here, but I'm surprised the girl with the Perla earring by Vermeer hasn't been posted.
The softness and delicacy of the painting really makes the woman shine in this painting.

>>3026320
If the crit is valid and REAL & he or she is a friend who cares about me, why wouldnt I accept his or her criticism?

First I assess what are the person's limitations in understanding art & whether his or her views are ideologically distorted or not. I examine what are the precise reasons & explanations the person gives for criticizing my work, & whether the issues are actually there & real. & whether the "flaws" are actually strengths that define the style, or not.

I examinwle whethet it is the ideologically distorted view of the person that caused the strengths to be seen as flaws & whether I should at all listen to the acidic & irrelevant - irrelevant because its not real- garbage the troll on the internet is trying to spew on me as valid criticism. The answer is in most cases no.

Ive accepted many forms of criticism before on /ic/, whether by acknowledging it directly or fixing the issue when I notice it afterwards.

In the past I made many anatomical mistakes without realizing it. Only after a year passes & I look back at the flawed piece do I notice & take action to remedy it.

Also my friends & instructors give me valid criticism all the time that is day & night compared to the acid garbage by you troll here. A picture could be too noisy or busy with colorful patterns. The neck should be thinner for sake of elegance. Red pops out the most among all colors & using it carefully allows you to make the muscle turn around the arm. same reason why the nose should be red or pink to make it protrude over other surrounding colors & pop. There should be a triangular relationship to form a dynamic and solid composition rather than having all figures line up standing vertically. The eye movement should exit the image & re-enter from another angle rather than getting trapped within the image. The figure should have a clear overall sense of direction of light source, & not be just aimless blotches of highlights & shadows.

>>3026586
>ignores all the quotes that proves Chunbum is full of shit

>If the crit is valid and REAL
Stopped reading there. Are you serious? That isn't up for you to decide.
I see where everything is going wrong though. You have a certain set of values in what is regarded "real." Real as in, the standards that which you have predetermined within your own ideologistic reality where certain ideas and values must remain constant. As such, when someone as much as comments on aforementioned values, you are quick to assume that their viewpoint is "distorted" and instantly cast them aside. What are these values? Well, they are usually the style and meaning of the painting. These two ideas you hold dearly to your heart and just like a mother protects her child, you vow to protect the very fragile essence of your style and meaning. When someone threatens these two values, like an enraged tiger mother, you are quick to pounce and dismiss anyone who might say otherwise.

>I examine the precise reasons the person gives for criticizing my work, & whether the issues are actually there & real

That person saw something that they consider significant enough to comment on. Are you saying that what they saw was never real? Are you saying other people's point of view isn't actually true because, again, it doesn't align with your predetermined set of beliefs and values? Are you saying that someone cannot truly "see" without seeing through you first? Are you seriously that fucked up in the head? Why even ask for a critique when you know that they cannot truly understand because they are not you?

>that appeal to authority

You are a narcissistic, egotistical, arrogant, pretentious bitch who holds close fragile ideological viewpoints that have no greater meaning in the context of this universe

I thought there was some shred of hope. Some decency in who you really are. I was ready to be proven wrong. But each reply led me otherwise. You are at a level that I wish not to stoop down to.

>>3026320
(continued)
Even when using abstract colors and shapes on a figurative subject, there should be clear highlight, midtone and shadow that correctly follow the anatomy. when the figure is facing the light source, and the viewer is also facing the figure directly from the direction of light, the figure will appear to have horizontal bands or stripes of light and shadow, like on a staircase.

these are some of the criticisms and suggestions i got from people in real life. and they truly like me for the work that Ive done and I admire them for the work theyve done.

the two people are delusional and jealous because they think they know more than a professor when they are practically nobody.

your opinion does not affect my success in anyway. because its delusional, false and not real. it only exists inside your head as product of distorted ideology.

then should i accept "bad" art as well? dont be ridiculous.

you need to say more to prove your false claims , which you wont be able to cuz they are false.

>>3020777
I feel like this has a lot to do with the Capulet family being represented by red and the Montague family being represented by blue.
Juliet clutches at the blue necklace over her heart, and her eyes, and the stone on her head are blue, while her clothing is red under the white gown.
But is that color code ever stated in the original play?
I remember it from movies and stuff, but I don't remember it ever being mentioned when reading. Does anyone know if I'm wrong or if there was just a tradition of staging the play with those colors representing the families?

>>3026719
Okay. Who are you to tell me I shouldn't decide what's real and what's not? You are completely ignoring that it's my right to discern what is real or not regarding my art, and I will always trust the opinions of people I meet in real life over some angry and jealous internet trolls.

Yes I am saying "what they saw was never real". Cuz they are internet trolls with severely distorted ideological biases regarding art who tend to write hateful messages. They are completely different from normal people I meet in real life.

I want criticisms online but they should be valid, constructive and with substance. I've had it regarding anatomical flaws in the past, and I am sure that as I grow as an artist there will be someone who gives valid help in the future on this site and other online communities.

But don't dare think you can try to stomp me down and deny all merits of my art, suggesting mediocrity where there is none, and lecture me about what's real and whether I even have the right to discern what's real for me.

Especially when you accuse, defame, and insult me, I know exactly who is the angry, sad, delusional and jealous troll.

>>3026738
You're the only thing hurting yourself at this point.

Chunbum is a dense fuck and whoever is arguing with him is even dumber

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man like half of these are total shit. ppl with good taste post moar pls

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>>3026944
on it

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>>3026949
this is wonderful.

i love this thread

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>>3017834

>>3026952
Why does this scare me so much

>>3027044
Goddamn, that's really nice.

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>>3027111
Boris Lopez

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>>3017834

>>3027147
that body? dope. that face? wack as hell.

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Fucking Jo Hopper. Probably just because she's all over some of the best 20th century painting.

>>3027120
I've seen this guy's work. I highly suspect there's some fuckery going on, they're too perfect to be done freehand. The edges around the hair make me think he's doing some Photoshop filtering, printing it out, and drawing on top of it. Crosshatching across the torso and arms and legs like that, and getting the subtley of light? Bullshit. He printed a light greyscale and drew on top of it.

>>3027188
nah

>>3027188
Damn, someone is jelly as fish

>>3026175
haha that's pretty dope, actually

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Real völkisch hours

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>you will never be able to portray a beautiful woman in just three strokes.

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>>3027553

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>>3027572
Last one of Rene Gruau

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>>3017834

she

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>>3026007
>Sure, I can concede I don't have much humility.
>he's claiming I am autistic, lacks humility and will be alienated - none of which is true

So do you have humility or not?

For a second there I was proud of you for admitting your own shortcomings. But I guess not.

Idk why I'm even responding to you. Dozens of people have tried to help you via criticism, but you just take it as insults.
You can't be helped.
You'll probably even take this post as an insult and say something about people "stomping down" your work because they're "jealous"

>>3027776
just provide criticism but do not accuse me of autism or other insults that are false

>>3018527
spaniards are browner than mexicans

>>3018186
This is definitely one of the most beautiful paintings I've seen by someone on this board, and it is perhaps one of the most beautiful paintings I've ever seen period. The more I look at it the more I am on the brink of tears.

I am disgusted by all of the hateful replies in this thread. Do not listen to them, Chunbum. I would be jealous of your ability too if I were a mouthbreathing virgin living in my parents basement who only cares about Loomis.

You have a real gift, and you are going in the correct direction.

You have the ability to bring light and truth to this world.

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>>3017834

>>3027807
I cant tell if its sarcasm or your true opinion but if you are being honest, thanks man. Glad someone likes my art.

>>3027847
Nah it was sarcasm

>>3027847
Kek grasping at straws there

>>3018031
why is the most brutal saint in history the best looking?

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>>3027010
I thought drawing traps back than was illegal.

>>3024313
OOOOOOY VEEEEEEY

>>3027752
my waif

>>3027752
(you)

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>>3025539
That's a copy you fucking idiot. Here's the original, retard.

>>3029458
well spotted

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>>3017834
Easy

>>3029521
As much as I appreciate Waterhouse's girls they do suffer from the sameface

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>>3029526
well, that's not necessarily a disadvantage

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this goddess

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I'd have to say this one since for some reason it's the only one I can really think of.

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>>3023373


only good posts in this thread

>>3017904
I'm french (from Brittany) and I look a lot like that

>>3029817
OH MY GOD
WHO IS THE ARTIST?

Are there any HI-Res versions...WOW