/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>3003667
>dick
heheh

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>>3003683
oh God, what did I do wrong?!

>>3003691
You draw too small

>>3003691
cool zombie

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I really want to draw better trees.

>>3003700
On the bright side, it shouldn't be hard to draw a better tree than that

>>3003700
check out alphonso dunn on youtube. he has a nice tree drawing video in pen

>>3003704
th..thanks..

>>3003696
ah. I'm drawing on the back of reciept papers with only a pen at work. are there any techniques or fundamentals I can be practicing?

>>3003716
I would just suggest getting bigger paper or a very thin fineliner

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I got my first note on Tumblr. I think we're all gonna make it.

>>3003725
Post some of your work.

>>3003716
Amigo just get a small block + mechanical pencil and take it with you, also I like your drawing.

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Anyone else here interested in drawing Silent Hill characters?

I've been going through Drawing on the right side of the brain and the exercise of my hand + viewfinder + picture plane came up. I'm drawing on a tablet however, is there any way for me to replicate those objects there?

Fucking Loomis man

>you don't need to be able to draw a perfect circle
>40 pages in
>now draw multiple perfect circles and ellipses overlapped and angled exactly correctly or everything you draw will look like shit

>>3003758
welcome to pain with a pencil bitch nigger

>>3003758
You don't need to be able draw perfect circles, you just need to be able to work a compass

Why do i have a harder time copying anime than from life?

>>3003761
if you can't draw a circle, well good luck mang.

>>3003803
I can draw circles alright, just no perfect ones.

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>>3003758
It's not working. Especially the fake anime hair drawn from memory.

>>3003811
Honestly, it has some basic form going on at least

Congrats, you're one step up from a child doodling on a piece of scrap paper

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>>3003810

Do the tornado scribbles kinda helps. Just fill the entire page with tornado. Switch left to right/right to left. And use that motion to draw circles. I learn this from somewhere or someone. I don't remember but it's like stirring soup you don't stir in big motion but small and compact.

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general advice pls

>>3003833
You're referencing ctrl+paint and that's a bad exercise since you're not aiming at any specific ellipse so you get no feedback if you drew it correctly or not. Exercises like drawing ellipses between two lines or points are better since you get immediate feedback if you failed and you can correct your movements.

Building incorrect muscle memory will hurt you worse than having no practice at all.

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I wonder if those anons from a month ago who told me to just draw cute anime girls are still here. Is this passable for cute?

Also I'm waiting till I get a handle on figure drawing before I even attempt to go beyond the head which I hope explains for the crude silhouette I call the body (I am still on keys to drawing).

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>its not captivating enough to be finished
>literally never finish any painting
ffs

>>3003725
anon you gave me hope, I hope for my first notif even though I'm not good enough for a blog yet.

>>3003844
it's cute

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>>3003844
No, cute is more like this

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>>3003851
why does anime linework have this worbly quality to it?

>>3003842
>draw a circle that overlaps 2 points
wow, that's actually a pretty ingenious way to practice curves. pretty amazed that I've never thought of this myself.

>>3003852
? If you mean the picture you were quoting, the lines look like they were done in marker which tend to fade the longer the stroke continues. The picture in your post looks like the lines are pretty solid to me, the colors are a gradient because they're water color it looks like.

>>3003856
no, I know it's sound line weight, but it's just not the same quality you get in western comics, it's more loose.

>>3003835
Falls apart at the neck.
I like the face though. Reminds me of old ads.

>>3003858
Not sure what you mean. The pokemon picture has pretty normal looking inking. I mean, there's different qualities of ink and brushes (not to mention the skill of the inker) so there could be some difference, but not that you can really see on a downscaled jpg.

>>3003873
terrible need more loomis

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Referenced a favorite picture of mine

>>3003902
The eyes look really off, a more knowledgeable anon than me should probably give you the details.

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what is wrong with his eye and how can i fix it?

>>3003902
johj!

>>3003716
If you're drawing at work and using smaller paper you could try practicing some simple geometric shapes to practice perspective. I do this with my notebook during meetings and I've found it's a decent way to sneak in practice.

>>3003902
when you're taking a shit and realize there's no toilet paper

>>3003844
You gotta get out of symbol drawing and become able to properly represent forms in order to produce (and understand) cuteness reliably.

Figure studies are obviously best for that, but a form is a form, stylized or not. It's not impossible to improve while drawing stylized, but there's a lot of traps and pitfalls that trick you into thinking you've "got it" when you haven't.

Try drawing the same face from 3/4. Feel free to look at how other artists do it, and post results here.

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>>3003912
They're fine.

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General Wizard/Mage
I think he has small hands and feet, but I redid the head 10 times and I think I nailed the appropriate size. Please give me some good critiques.

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>>3004005
Resized to 1000 px

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I tried... What should I do?

>>3003811
okay now draw a body!

>>3004008
The proportions seem fine.

Next step is to get rid of symbol drawing. Work those forms, give your limbs top, front and side planes. Do some perspective exercises to commit the fundamentals to mind (bottom plane of a shape visible above horizon, top plane visible below horizon, etc.)

Nothing wrong with dressing up your characters but if you wanna git gud you'll have an easier time to practice drawing them naked, in the long run.

>>3004012
It's not bad, but I feel like too much of an accent on "lines" rather than forms - basically the problem of seemingly every beginner.

For example, you've outlined the nose, or the ear. Bags and wrinkles under the eyes, some wrinkles on the brow and above the nose. A very pronounced nasolabial crease. These are all just lines, rather than proper representation of volumes.

You're not quite symbol drawing, there's some 3d construction. The head has a top and side plane, and the features of the face are consistent and respect that alignment.But your forms are a bit shaky, and I feel like you're not doing a good job of representing them. The ear is basically a symbol - it's a pretty complex structure to nail down, mind you, but I don't see any attempt at putting forms in it, it's just a bunch of 2d outlines.

My recommendation would be to work on two things in conjunction - learning more in-depth facial anatomy, with a heavy focus on volumes and planes of the face, and practicing drawing these volumes (and maybe shading, if you want.)

>>3004043
thanks annon. I will take that advice to heart

>>3003988
>but there's a lot of traps and pitfalls that trick you into thinking you've "got it" when you haven't

What are some examples of those?

Would drawing hundreds of skulls from different angles actually help me draw heads, or just get really good at drawing skulls?

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>>3003663

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what am I doing wrong

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m bored

>>3004070
The hair position is wrong, it look like he wearing a wig. Also the head is too large for the body.

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how can i make this look more like actual grass?

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>>3004077
does this look better

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>>3004065
Does it really matter? Wouldn't being able to draw spooky skeletons be its own reward?

Is there a good way to prop a drawing tablet up at an angle? I was looking at desk top easels, but they're all kind of bulky.

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I have no fucking self-control or discipline to practice. I dream of drawing supreme qt's at work all day and when I get home and I could be practicing them instead I watch some bullshit ass YouTube videos for 5 hours and go to bed.

Did any of you have this problem when starting out learning how to draw?

Perhaps I just need to disconnect from the internet for 3 hours before bed or some shit.

>>3004063
Good anime art is constructed over an understanding of body and face anatomy, shapes and volumes, perspective, basically all the things that are important in traditional drawing. For example, techniques to stylize the eyes or mouth are based on understanding the much more complex and complete elements of those features. Even knowing where to place the simple "dot" nose of moe requires an understanding of form and perspective.

Of course, you can just rely on formulas, but if you don't understand them they'll only look good under certain angles, and you'll struggle a lot in adjusting them (because you won't know what makes it "click"). The fact you can still achieve somewhat decent results without understanding why is the pitfall (because that path is very inefficient and limiting.)

>>3004122
What you need is routine. Start by forcing yourself to complete one drawing a day, or if your drawings take you longer, set yourself a time limit, like 30 minutes or 1 hour of drawing a day, every day.

Don't even worry about what happens after that, just focus on that first step.

>>3004076
Try drawing those on a neutral grey background instead of white, white background really fucks with your ability to get good metallic reflections and influences you to paint with much lighter values than you should use.

Top center helmet looks dank, tho.

>>3004132
Shouldn't I use that hour to focus on fundamentals? Should that hour be trying to draw something from reference or imagination?

Am I thinking too deeply into this? Just literally draw anything for an hour. One thing.

>>3004122

force yourself to wake up at 5 am, the mere fact of waking up at such an early time already puts you on a productive mindset. it's basically telling your brain that you've already started

personally i can't practice at evening, too much opportunity to do other things

>>3004153
different anon, but I've considered doing this myself. the only problem I have is that I have an impossible time falling asleep at night. I'll get back from work and be in bed lights and everything off, but I don't fall into sleep till about 12 at the earliest, 1 o clock is about average for most nights. should I risk the sleep deprivation to get up early, or will that fuck me up long term?

>>3004162

stop at nothing, if you're not willing to die for this shit you're ngmi, putting your body in a sleep deprived state in order to practice your art will drive you to greatness even harder. your body and mind will fall in line after the first week, ganbare anon!

>>3004170
and you're saying the sleep deprivation won't make me less productive? Maybe I should ask a doctor before I blindly take internet advice.

>>3004112
That sounds retarded.

>>3004174

that logic is your brain already attempting to sabotage you from greatness, grit your teeth and put down the time and effort that is necessary to make your dreams manifest into reality

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>>3003661
Is this how the accuracy training works?

>>3004178
Inclining a drawing tablet? Feels more natural to me. The display tablets all have VESA mounts for it, but the normal drawing tablets don't really have anything.

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Did this sketch for /co/

>>3004187
Just cut the polystyrene that comes with the shit you bought.

>>3003700
The study trees. They have unique overall forms, how they grow, how big their leaves are, and will be shaped differently if they're in a forest, and if they're alone in the middle of a field. You can draw the overall shape, and imply the leaves as an overall shape, or you can render the leaves as actual objects that have their own shape and lighting.

Trees are plants. They grow according to the rules of nature, and their own nature. An oak tree will look vastly different than a willow tree, it's up to you as the artist to render that.

Hint - leaves are not scribbles.

>>3003835
Pay attention to what you can see, not what you think is there. Learn to measure for distance and proportion. You're cartooning, not drawing the reference.

LOOK. STUDY. MEASURE. RENDER.

>>3003916
You will rarely see the whites under the iris like that, unless the eye is opened wide, like in surprise.

You have lowered brows, which would squint the eye.

Get a mirror, and study your own face, doing different expressions. See how much white shows, in different expressions.

The human eye will look for certain things in paintings first, it's instinctual, we look for eyes, face, letters, and patterns. Your eyes are confusing, because they're not accurate - we instinctively know something is off.

LOOK at faces. Study them. This is what being an artist is all about - seeing the big picture, AND the small important details.

>>3004185
If you've just drawn this shit on top of the picture then no, this is not how it works.

>>3004005
This is too advanced for your skill level, this is cartooning, not drawing.

Study the human form, before trying something like this - you have to crawl before you walk.

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>>3004084
Go look at some grass. It has form, and color.

Where are the highlights? In the sun, the blades of grass would be reflecting light. What you're doing is scribbling with a brush - which might work for an impressionistic painting, but if you want to render grass, LOOK at grass, and learn to render it.

Grass is probably one of the easiest things in the world to study.

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>>3004236
the transparent blue was drawn on top and the other blue that was colored in was drawn to the side
here's another attempt without the guiding lines

>>3004070
Not watching yourself

>>3004201
Ha, I saw that thread this morning. I didn't check back to see if you had followed through though. The main issues I see are head size (though I assume you're just staying on-model) and the flow of her right arm. It looks a little too "rubbery", like the elbow isn't well defined. Also, the linework is a bit rough, particularly on the hand there. Other than that, there aren't many other issues I can see.

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>>3003912
I hope they do, here's my ref

>>3003691
Nice deconstruction of human nature, anon. Sell that shit.

Can anyone give me some advice on simplifying clothing, hair and accessories?

I can break down the human body into simple enough forms but when you've gotta clothe them it all falls apart.

>>3004365
just draw them naked

I seem to struggle a lot making my shading flow naturally. It always looks like the strokes are very clearly differentiated (I use a HB pencil). Any exercises on how to improve on this? Any protip, no matter how stupid it sounds to make the strokes less noticeable?

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how do i keep my art style consistent? i just got a new tablet after over half a year of no digital art so i'm having troubles carrying my traditional style back to digital

>>3004304
yeah I was trying to be quick so I thought I could be loose with my lines but it didn't realot work out. Does anyone have any good tips on inking?

>>3004436
>style
stop

>>3004255
wat

>>3004143
Yes you're thinking too much

Set a time and draw. After it becomes an habit it'll be easier

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>Doing a request
>Ask a friend opinion so far
>"Looks great"
>Spend more hours on it
>Ask some d/ic/ks opinion in some discord
>"Is all wrong"
>Several say the same
>They all point out different details they don't like or look odd
>tfw
Who do you blame in these situations?

>>3004444
Your friend either can't see your mistakes or they're just being nice.
But d/ic/ks might be too harsh. Mistakes are there even once you're a pro. Just fucking post your work, Sayaka.

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>>3004446
But now I'm all sad and wish I never did that thing.

I have been drawing for a while to call me competent and I think that inflated my ego. I now know better to not feel to high and grand on my skills.

I have been drawing for a year and a half, fairly young in my drawing career/hobby/etc, so criticism and people pointing out my mistakes should get easier over time.
/blog

>>3004401
Fill an entire sketchbook with drawings, when you're done you'll notice your lines have much more subtlety and grace. Also do a bunch of studies specifically focusing on value. You will start to see details you never did before and your drawings will improve.

>>3004444
yourself

post what you were drawing

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>>3004446
>>3004478
Ok
I already ditched it tho and doing another

>>3003747
Yes, especially 2

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>>3004480
Jesus fucking chirst

>>3004487
told u so

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I wanna make a creepy webcomic

Posting a practice comic I made a little while back for general critique, tear me apart

1/5

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>>3004489
I know one of my big problems is my chicken scratch handwriting, hoping to find a font I can insert instead for my next practice comic
2/5

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>>3004490
3/5

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>>3004491
4/5

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>>3004492
I wanted this last page to be creepy but also fluid, almost like a frame by frame storyboard, I don't think I hit my mark
5/5

>>3004493
I'll redline some things anon. It might take a while, but I will show it.

>>3004501
Take your time anon, any feedback is greatly appreciated!

How do you come up with interesting poses and angles? I always find myself getting back to the same cookie-cutter poses and perspective that I'm comfortable with.

>>3004511
google random pose then try outline the whole pose first before drawing. Add stuff later

>>3004066
I like this Anon. But you should spend more time refining the edges of the image ( hair, neck). Even though it is a study you need to be able to create a polished piece.

>>3004489
I actually really like this, anon.

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I'm get out of my comfort zone and actually use perspective. I guess it would make more sense to learn to draw a simple box in perspective first instead of immediately rushing into figure drawing.

>>3004511
I spastically draw a couple of scripples on the page without any though going into them. Then I use those lines as the gesture drawing and draw a human on top of it. You can get some crazy poses out of it.

>>3004542
Eh, draw figures along the way if you want to. Some people act like you can only grind basic shapes until you master perspective, but I think it's important to also throw subjects that interest you into the mix while studying. As long as you're paying attention and pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone you're still learning.

Do forms, try to apply them to figures, do forms again, reattempt figures and see how you've improved from last time, etc. Feels more dynamic and engaging than just boxes in space for all eternity until you "level up."

>>3004532
Thanks, I can't look back on anything i've drawn older than 2 weeks without being disgusted, but i'm glad it looks good to others

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>>3004490

what makes a photo good or bad to use as a study piece?

>>3004577
Exactly, Wizards are fucking crazy man.

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>>3004503
I didn't touch anatomy mistakes or so on. Just tried to show things that could make it better. Your comic is alright, I hope you will continue to work on it.

I figure it isn't worth a top level thread, but I'm new here. How would I find someone to comission 4 pages of manga? I have very explicit instructions and specifics, which I've heard some artists prefer and some dislike entirely - so I'm wondering if there is a type of artist who specializes in manga and can take my really bad sketches and redo them in proper style and where the faces don't look hilarious and the hands arent circles and hot dogs.

Like should I make a thread detailing what I want on this forum? Idk the culture here

>>3004611
What kind of money do you have?

>>3004611
>>>/wsr/

>>3004610
>design suggestion
>it's just tumblr
do not

>>3004610
Thanks! I didn't notice all of the problems with the torso/jacket, my shadows and shading are definite problems in this regard, also its good to see a fellow Space Ghost fan.

>>3004619
Enough in bitcoin that I can spare out what is legit market value fair and so by extension enough in FIAT be it UK or uh'murican doroose I can pay. Maybe not top dollar, but I am not looking for cheap labor - I'm scouting for talent.

>>3004623
For commissions? Thanks. Can another anon back this up? Seems geared more towards other stuff. And mine are not SFW.

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Still working...detail in the graph eye painted pixel by pixel, a lot of hidden characters and stuff

>>3004637
>>>/r/

>>3004626
What's tumblr about it? If I had more time I could do a better job, but that what I can do now.

>>3004629
Cool, good luck man.

>>3004647
Wow that seems even less helpful. I do appreciate it. I'll go to reddit I suppose lol.

>>3004663
I think it's just you just start looking for artists you like and approach them. Nobody here has a list of people that might be interested. There are plenty of people that have specialised in manga.

>>3004663
Great idea.

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>>3004665
I'll make a top level thread later today and we'll see if it gets removed. Thanks :) here is a picture of a racoon I took. It probably died sometime in the night, as it's mother had abandoned it.

>>3004670
I hope your mother will abandon you the same way

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First OC, would like a crit.

>>3004678
Define her mouth a bit more. Work on your understanding of anatomy. Eye isn't just a sticker, it's a ball placed in the eye socket and is half-covered with eyelids. Her nasal cavity is going straight through the eye right now, and besides, an eye of this size won't leave much space for brain in a normal human skull. Though she does look dumb, rest assured.

Oh, and the... uh... flap that covers the zipper ruins any illusion of depth by its poor shading.

>>3004692
Thanks anon, i'll work on these.

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>tfw have fun drawing but also know that it's shit
atleast I'm enjoying myself, that helps with this drawing thing, right?

When i'm copying something should i look at my object more than at my drawing?

I keep copying while looking at the object more than at my drawing at all and it comes out like shit. My sense of scale gets all messed up. How do i lose this autistic problem?

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quick colour study. ive been watching ctrl paint and i want to spend an hour on one of these and analyze the colour like he does.

Fucking clouds man.

>>3004905
What's with them?

For those that have a drawing tablet like a surface or lenovo draw on the screen type thing. Do you prefer windows 10 or windows 8.1? I bought a surface that was preupgraded to Win 10 but I'm considering doing a recovery that would revert it back to Win 8.1. Which to you prefer for a tablet that is strictly used as a touch screen drawing tablet?

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Tried working on shading and perspective, feedback appreciated.

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>>3004926
Personally I think the prongs are too short and the left one is off for some reason that I cant put my finger on.

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>>3003663
Trying to get re-accustomed to digital art.

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>>3004927
Base Case.
Should I use Photoshop and GIMP to lay my image over and see the perspective or should I just keep practicing by hand.

>>3004906
Have a hard time dealing with them. Those that on my ref have a fucking noneuclid shape and I've given up trying to understand their geometry. Maybe I should just mindlessly copy and see where it'll lead me.

>>3004931

It's really not that hard to see where you've fucked it up. I don't even need the reference.

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any way to make this better in general?

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How does one figure out what shapes too use for raptors? primarrly for the chest, and for the pelvis? I try using circles but I can never get the raptor to not look weird when I go to try and connect the legs to the body of the raptor. it is driving me crazy!

>>3004952
There is nothing particularly wrong with it, but it is a really lazy work and it looks like a sketch rather than a finished painting. Try to spend an extra 4-6 hours on it.

>>3004955
Google.

This looks like a guy in a shitty costume.

>>3004952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmV_gfAbxQ&list=PLnwHSDbcd45IC3aFVtfoqey5p1vhfoYSD&index=1
look at the way photographers take good photos. what are they doing that you aren't?

How sinful is it for me to trace as a beginner?

For studies, of course. I'm not that shameless as to show off a traced drawing.

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>>3005023

>>3005023
>For studies
It's the worst thing you can possibly do.

>>3005028
Alright. Now pretend i didn't post anything.

>>3005023
>tracing
No. You don't learn anything from that.

>>3005026
wow, even the brick

>>3004946
But really, what the fuck should I do? Keep trying to understand the shape or stop giving a shit?

As a matter of fact, there is something SH related I'm trying to draw.

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>>3004955
all vertabrates are basically built the same but with a few tweaks here and there: that's why a lot of people tell you to study the human first and then whatever animal you're doing. though at the point you're at i think the best thing you can do is either box meme or get good at copying

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does this look off to any of you

>>3005065
The ear and the eye looks off a bit, however I think you need an opinion of someone who's better than me.

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>>3005054
>DRAW BOXES
>the redline is shit
every time

>>3005065
If that was an attempt at realism, it's utter shit.
As a stylized piece, it's just shit. The face is 3D; that just looks like 2d features on a 2d head. Pay attention to forms.
The hairline and ear simply do not pass, even if stylized.

>>3005083
post your couch

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>>3005111
this place is bad for my sanity

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Drawing my friend's dancer OC. How's this pose? Anything I can fix?

>>3005130
>A FUCKING BOX
why did you draw a box there
tell me

Is 3d model posing software recommendable for a beginner?

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>>3005135
absolutely fucking not

>>3005141
how many levels of loomis are you on

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>>3005134
I draw a shape like this for hips.

>>3005143
that's called a trapezium
you did not draw a trapezium in that image
that is not the direction or position hips would be in that image
who told you to draw the fucking box and why did you listen to them

>>3005142

4rd

>>3005148
I swear it wasn't meant to be a box, I just messed up drawing the trapezium.
More importantly, is the pose okay?

>>3004929
The skin looks like metal.

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>>3005083
i started drawing this because you hurt my ego, but i actually learned a lot from this. in fact, i was to scared of drawing actual humans entirely, and i think i'm going to do a couple portrait studies now.
pls rate, hate, crtq, and redline

>>3005142
3. 3D. The only level you should be thinking on to avoid symbol drawing.

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>>3005126
00 second in ms paint

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Fixed some obvious problems with the leg and the box. Better?

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>>3005142
no
be more bold and brash with gesture drawings
if that wasn't a gesture drawing then holy shit learn proportions

remember to keep centre of mass in mind so poses stay balanced

>>3005180
wrong number bitch

>>3005182
gomenasumi

>>3005142
Like, maybe 5 or 6 right now, my dude

>>3005188
ill forgive that one. but you better watch your ass

>>3005180
Hahahah here's your (you)

So I keep hearing around the Internet that if you want to git gud, don't draw ANY lines and ONLY use value to create. I'm pretty sure that's bullshit, though. That's bullshit, right?

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>>3003666

>>3005211
I've never seen a redvalue so they can fuck off

>>3005211
I've been doing studies by going straight to paint (instead of some linework to lay in foundations or whatever) and it works better for me. Line was a massive waste of time. It was my personal redpill.

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>>3003661

>>3005211

If you want to be a painter then that's actually a great thing to do, but if you don't want to be a painter.. well, don't fucking do that. You "git gud" from drawing what you want to draw every single day, not from listening to some nobody's stupid "7 WAYS TO QUICKLY IMPROVE YOUR ART IN NO TIME" clickbait. Just draw.

>>3003873
you really need to do more figure studies;;;;;.,;;,;.; try loomis

>>3005230
Being solely a line artist is great. But in my opinion actually doing fully rendered studies and drawings actually helps your lines in a sense that it gives you knowledge on placing your lines better in areas of depth and weight. Obviously you don't go overboard with 10 renderings a day but it will help immensely I think. All of the high-tier artists I've seen do both.

>>3005226
Hey that's really good anon! I don't think you belong here.

>>3005216
Hey that's really good anon! I don't think you belong here.

>>3004087
where is his neck

>>3005226
You made him look like a K-Pop singer. Pay attention to the width of his mouth and chin. Also, don't scribble like that for value. You can hatch or use wide, flat strokes, but never scribble.
>>3005236
And you: don't be a cunt. You're not helping anybody with that meaningless platitude shit.

>>3005244
He probably meant that he doesn't belong in /beg/

>>3005236
But that's where you're wrong, I am most definitely /beg/. I just suffer from drawing-only-heads syndrome.
>>3005244
I'll definitely be more conscious of the scribbling. I also just got dinged somewhere else for making him look for feminine than the ref. I think it's the weeb creeping out.

>>3005238
No. I need input. I want to get good

>>3005250
Could you rotate and resize the image?

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im just getting back into digital art after a long break from it, how can i get better?

>>3004901
you need more greens in the pear and use fewer colors. You only need between 3-5 colors for each item in the first study.

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Getting back to drawing, doing the lines/ghosting/circles/cubes etc. I used to draw a lot when I was younger, but gave up years ago because I was a little shit (people said I was depressed, I guess?).

I don't know if I should just say fuck it to years of fucking around with no basics and no real growth and try and start from scratch or if I should try and pick up.

Pic related, literally the newest/shittiest thing I could find (~6 years old).

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>>3005126
>shit on others redline
>provide shit redline

Dunning Kruger

>>3005254
get off tumblr

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>>3005263
>provide nothing
Stalin

>>3005226
get out of /beg/ you posing cunt

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Working on a friend's Gemsona. Did a quick gesture sketch, then refined it, and am now inking it. Does it look okay?

>>3005269
>gemsona
yes it's absolutely fine so never post here again

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Is this okay to animate for a beginning animator. If not please tell me what to do to make it better.

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why does loomis draw a circle for the cranium instead of an ellipse?

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>>3003660
i have a problem staying focused any advice?

i always end up rushing things and when i try to refocus i can't really figure out stuff. wtf do i do to fix this problem?

>>3005313
start with large shapes that catch your attention, then return to them as a reference point for proportion and such. change the subject or just quit if you're bored. daily reps should also help.

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post your infographics

How do i measure when Im using a tablet and a computer screen?

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>>3005313
even though its still pretty bad i accidentally squashed it while resizing.

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>>3003902

>>3005308
Because Loomis is a meme.

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>>3004955

Break it down then rebuild in the position you want.

>>3005325
so just do studies each day and build up my mental endurance. that seems like a good plan. should i make my own regiment or are there good ones that help get the most out of studying. like

shapes
anatomy
line control
composition.

how much should i spend on each one and which ones should i study first that will translate better to studying other things?

I feel like my drawings look very "flat" if that makes any sense. Is this an issue with my understanding of rendering or my understanding of proportion?

>>3005264
thanks mom

>>3005371
posting an example would make it easier to understand

How do people get nice antique canvas/paper looking backgrounds? Are they digitally created, or actual photographs?

>>3005386
it depends. there is actually a technique to get canvas's to look like its old a cracked, pretty much whatever you want it to look like. in digital you can usually just set a textured canvas to paint on, depending on the program you use. or you could just add a filter. theres alot of ways to make it seem like you painted on real canvas.

>>3004401
Practice. You're probably pressing too hard on the pencil, too.

Here's the assignments we did in beginning drawing in college (I had to take it, ugh.):

Draw a box 10" wide, one inch tall. Fill the box with a smooth gradation from 0% to 100%, with smooth transitions the whole way. Minimize the pencil strikes with even pencil pressure and even coverage.

Do this for every weight pencil, from 2h to 2b (2h, 1h, f, hb, 1b, 2b)

Next, draw ten boxes, in a line, same size, spacing should be equal. Using one weight of pencil, like HB, fill each box, going from 0%, to 100%. Stroke evenly to fill the entire box, no gaps. You have the gradations from the first exercise to judge the values.

You should not see any shininess from lead in any of the examples, that means you pressed too hard, or built up too much lead.

Once you get HB done, move onto another weight, like 2h. Do the common weights from 2h to 2b.

When you're done with that, draw a 3d scene, with simple shapes, like cubes, on a plane, with one light source. Use the values you've just learned to light the cubes, plane, and environment/background. Use solid blocks of value, no transitions/gradations.

Then, do one with gradations of value.

Final exercise, get an egg, put it on a white piece of paper, and a string light source, and draw the egg, and shade it. Use gradations of lead. Bonus credit if you do the egg using pointilism or crosshatching.

This was the first couple of weeks. We learned to control our pencils, and how to gauge/control values.

>>3004436
6 months is way, way, way, way too early to be developing a style. That will come naturally, over time, as you master the fundamentals.

Your 'style" will be all over the place until you start mastering and everything starts to settle down. Give it a couple of years to develop.

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>>3003668
I don't know how to connect the head to the body and its been bugging me a lot

>>3004436

You don't. Style forms naturally at the intersection between your skill level and your ambitions.

>>3004444
Why does anyone need/deserve blame. You asked for opinions, you got them.

They don't have to match.

Here's the thing - all my teachers said, "if you can't hang your art on the wall and defend every inch of it, you have no business being an artist."

If someone gives a negative critique, listen to what they're saying, look at your work to see if there's any truth there. You can learn from that.

If someone says it looks great, listen to what they like. That will clue you in on what other people see. You can learn from that.

You don't have to agree with a critique. But you should be able to defend your art, instead of placing blame. You're doing it wrong, you're not learning, you're shifting the responsibility for your art onto other people. Own your art.

>>3004489
Here's the biggest flaw:

You stage everything tightly to a grid - everything is either straight on from the front, 90's to the side, or straight on from the back.

ANGLES. They're your friend. They add drama and interest.

Get off the grid. Start studying movies and how they frame things, especially Hitchcock. His movies are a class in framing for suspense and mood.

>>3004887
By looking at both, and learning how to measure and compare distances and proportions visually.

A legit method of starting something is to grid it - cover the source with an even grid, then blow up that grid onto your paper lightly, so you can erase it, and use that to capture the overall shape and proportions and measurements.

And, if any of the tryhards here say it's cheating, it's not - Michelangelo and DaVinci used this exact method to blow up their fresco designs onto the walls and ceilings, by gridding small work onto large stitched together sheets of paper, called cartoons (that's where the word comes from). They'd poke holes in the lines, and use charcoal blown or rubbed through the holes onto the walls.

>>3004901
You did well identifying a lot of the colors. In the future, do not use a black background, it's just going to overpower whatever you're doing. Also, do not use black to paint, use dark values of the colors, that's what there, your mind expects black, because of the cliche of "black is shadows".

Try to find something with a neutral background, like an earthtone that's not the same as anything in the still life, like a blue, or violet, or a 50% grey.

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>>3004952
Draw from nature. This is a good, cliched generic example of a "landscape" you'd find in fingerpainting class, with no dynamics or anything of interest.

Flickr is an endless stream of perfect landscapes you can use to learn to paint from.

Here, I'll find you one...

>>3004955
Go study raptor skeletons. They're not hard to find. You also have movies and books and images online.

>>3005023
Not very.

In college, we used all kinds of things to get started with - grids, tracing, overhead projectors, whatever. Just enough to get started with. Some people here have this flawed idea that real artists don't use these tools, and that they do everything perfectly with one stroke of the pencil/paintbrush. It's simply not true.

>>3005260
if you actually drew that when you were "a little shit", that's better than i ever did as a kid.
draw something right now!

>>3005332
A lot of apps have measuring tools built into them - Photoshop has very strong measuring tools.

Or, you do it the old fashioned way, with a pencil held at arm's length.

>>3005386
You can scan them, or download them. There are sites with free high res textures like that.

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>>3005413
Bonus: I tried adding colour to it for fun

>>3005413
Learn the structures of the neck, and how they connect to the chest, shoulders and back, and the skull. Everyone thinks a neck is a tube, when it's a collection of tubes, muscles and tendons, with the spine in the back.

One thing you learn in anatomy is where the origin of muscles and tendons are. By knowing where they start on the chest, along the collarbones and such will give you an instinctive idea of where to put your lines. Feel your own neck, where are the masses. How do they change, according to position? Where do they start, and end. How does an adam's apple for men?

This is why we study anatomy, so when we don't have a model or reference, we can approximate where muscle and tissue masses are, and how they are shaped in different positions.

>>3005065
the iris in the right eye should be centered if she's looking straight ahead. and the lips have no depth.

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Halp

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>>3003902

>>3005476
have you chosen your classes for next year yet? i hear algebra 2 can be kinda challenging

>>3005490
>algebra 2
who has time for algebra 2? anon's book report is due tomorrow!

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>>3005492
Laugh all you want but a child can't draw cocks this gud.
>tfw no bf
>and you suck at art

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>>3005494
Don't know why it flipped

>>3005417
Hitchcock huh? any of his films you'd recommend to start with? i've never actually seen any

>>3005496
are you 15?

maybe you should be working on your book report with this anon >>3005476

>>3005503
Recommend me a movie and i'll write you a book report

>>3005507
My mom showed me Rear Window when I was 11, and it fucked me up for like 3 yrs

Thanks mom

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So i finish planning my first chapter, and i plan on trying my best to continuously learn and develop my "art" skills using this comic as both practice and execution.

Look at what you see what do i currently need to improve on, to make this look GREAT!

>>3005435
I mean, I was like 20, but still. I stopped from a combo of work/feeling like there was no progress after years and years. Just wondering if I should pretend to forget everything and start from scratch.

>>3005496
Start with the big ones, Psycho, the Birds, Rear Window, To Catch a Thief, Vertigo, they're all worth watching.

Another movie with amazing staging and framing was Citizen Kane. Wells was an artist.

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So I just attempted the upside down Igor exercise. This is literally my first time drawing anything since I was a child and I have never had any sort of artistic talent. But this morning I woke up and decided that I needed to learn a new skill and get my brain working and moving in new ways.

I thought I did a decent job on his body and clothes and chair, though my angles and sizes are way off. When I got down to his head I was running out of room so just kind of winged it and it turned out a little rough.

Anyway even though it isn't a masterpiece, in a strange way I am very proud of it because I made a first step into learning how to art. I knew I needed to share this with you /ic/, because you are the only people who could possibly appreciate it.

Please provide constructive feedback, thank you.

>>3005524
Do it again without chickenscratch.

>>3005535

I was using a really crappy mechanical pencil that kept breaking on me, I plan to go to the store tomorrow and get some decent pencils and a good pad of paper. I will make a second attempt tonight though.

>>3005538
Good deal. If you wanna give it a go tonight try it with a pen.

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>>3003667

>>3005524
better than mine when I did it, what happened around the head? It looks like you realized you ran out of space and decided to squeeze it in.

>>3005164
that is terrible on multiple levels but ill let it go

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Is there anything weird about the way I hold my pen?

>>3005562
i like it, its a bit messy but the proportions are pretty noice. good work anon, do it 45 more times and trump the damn thing.

>>3005569
Jesus fucking christ anon, thanks for making me feel better about myself

>>3005569
i think your wrist is swollen, that could definitely hinder your ability to hold a pen correctly.
perhaps you were bitten by a spider or something. don't try drawing with a broken wrist or something, there is some discoloration in ur hand, perhaps liposuction would remedy your extremity

>>3005564
I drew the whole page anon... both top and bottom...

BUT i appreciate the advice, The second panel is what i plan on putting.

>>3005563

Well I realized that I had my sizes all off and didn't account for how long the arms and chest were, so I tried to improvise with the more rounded potato head shape, the ears, mouth and nose, but then I realized his neck was all fucked up and that if I tried to draw the eyes as they are in the picture they would have looked stupid, which made me kind of frustrated, so instead I decided to make him an alien with a loose chin and a puffy neck pouch like a frog, which literally made me laugh hysterically for ten minutes and honestly looking at it now gives it a strange charm.

Anyway like I said, I'm going in the morning for supplies and I'm going to stop by the library and grab a few books and really put in some practice while I have time tomorrow. Any advice you guys can give to someone just starting from the absolute bottom?

>>3005569
Ignore the trolls, anon. You're beautiful.

>>3005576
one thing to have for sure is a clear plan on what you want to do and what you want to achieve. Once you got that you work towards it while most importantly having fun. You don't want this to be a second job.

>>3005575
Deleted post? Did i do something wrong?

I'd just like a bit of advice on the page and get an evaluation on what i need to improve on please.

>>3005569
No, but you should probably get tested for diabetes...

>>3005572
>>3005573
>>3005588
Plz kill yourselves -_-
>>3005581
Thank you. I see you know how to speak to a lady, unlike some other people (probably Trump supporters).

>>3005569

I weigh 350 pounds and my wrist isn't as fat as yours. What the fuck anon, eat some goddamn carrots.

>>3005593
you first.

>>3005569
You need to study proportion. That's not what a human arm is supposed to look like.

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>>3005260
Been doing warmups, moved onto the first sketch in a long time.

>>3005636
I think you need to do some more warmups

>>3005638
I'm a fucking alchemist bro. I turned a woman into a refrigerator.

>>3005644
Have you reached The Truth yet?

>>3005646
Totally on it. Just about to kill myself.

>>3005593
I'll live longer than you, bub.

>>3005495
>Cutfag

I'm so sorry.

>>3005636
You're not looking at what's there, you're drawing what you think is there. LOOK CLOSER. You have the angles of her limbs all wrong. You have her right leg completely wrong, and failed to draw the actual shapes that are right there in front of you - not only did you get the knee and calves wrong, you didn't even capture the contours. You have her hand against her breast, but havent drawn how her hand is changing the shape of her breast. Her hand is on her hip, pushing in on the skin, and you've completely missed that. Your shading is competely irrelevant and just hides the flaws in the form. The head is too small, and her face is a cartoon.

The forms are right there, and lit to be easy to be seen, for drawing, and you missed all of it. Her left arm, from her wrist to the elbow has a distinct shape, and you drew a noodle. Her right foot is flat on the floor, and you have it at an angle.

This is classic beginner's mistakes. You're not paying attention to the form, the contour, and the measurements and angles and proportions of the figure.

Try it again, and don't scribble on it as "shading". Draw the form. Study it. Measure it. Draw what is actually there, not what you think is there. Capture the contour, and the lines. PAY ATTENTION. This is one of the better sources I've seen used here, and you can learn a lot from it if you pay attention and THINK while you're drawing.

Also, if you're going to use construction, erase them afterwards.

>>3005569
I just can't even imagine living in a body like that without wanting to kill myself

>>3005569
STOP PUTTING FOOD IN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH

>>3005677
Goddesses don't answer to mortals.

>>3005684
Goddesses don't have sausage arms.

>>3005675
Thanks breh. So as it stands, kind of fuck everything but just the form and try and get that to start? Work on shape and contour before trying to grasp anything else?

Also I'd erase, but pen.

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I made a shitty sketch of an overweight Garfield, criticism needed

>>3005689
Am I the only one who notices thicc manly hair on those arms, or is everybody simply feeding the troll?

>>3005718
DID YOU JUST ASSUME HER GENDER?

>>3005767
Yes, I did. Deal with it.

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What do you guys suggest I do to improve at this point?

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>>3006232
Do some 2 point perspective exercises. remember, stuff gets smaller when it gets further away.
also draw your raptor in it somewhere.

>>3005696
Yes. Start with contour and form.

And stop using pen. You're gimping yourself using one. Even a standard yellow school pencil is better than pen.

>>3005718
I'm trying not to think about that. And, I was serious about the diabetes thing. Anyone that big, most likely is pre-diabetic or has full blown diabetes.

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r8???????

>>3003747
I tried drawing Henry from 4 before.

Didn't work out how I wanted

>>3003835
Try drawing upside down. That way you're not guessing where the stuff goes

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>>3005065
Crappy redline for you

Don't kill me

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Blending with acrylics is hard :/