/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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we wuz models

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Have I improved at all /ic/?

I haven't drawn anything serious in like 2 months

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>>2989378

>>2989414
Barely.

>>2988982
Are you a baka?
Tutorial, advice... Ok, how about a tutorial on facial expressions and advice to read Scott Robertson?...That wasn't what you wanted? Oh, dear, and I was sure I guessed right! I wonder why you're saying I didn't. Now tell us what the fuck you actually wanted to get, and maybe there is someone who will help.

>>2989113
This is alive? Oh god, kill it with fire!

>>2989116
I like the fluffy look in the thumbnail. You could make your doggo more fluffy by using the smudge tool set to about 3 px and vigorously "brushing" all the outlines with it. Which program do you use, by the way? Figuring out which brushes to use is pretty straightforward in CSP.

>>2989351
don't worry about it. you're always guessing the perspective anyway, it's never an exact thing. it's more important to just keep drawing. the more you draw, the better you get at this shit. don't worry about it on a single drawing too much and get stuck there.

How do i make portraits look less muddy?

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>>2989414
Stop drawing calarts.

how the FUCK am I supposed to draw unmuscular people

>>2989491
Blend better. Do you have an example?

>>2989414
Your pose is wooden and your proportions are off. That style is abhorrent. There ought to have been a month at most between those pics.

>>2989414
left is tranny deviantart tier. right is trash but at least its something.

What are some cost effective pens that are good for drawing? I don't want to be burning through $5 dollar Staedtlers just drawing lines and circles and cubes.

Or are there nice pens that you can cheaply refill?

>>2989416
if that big line is supposed to be the pussy, erase it

>>2989537
>he's never seen a vagina IRL

>>2989560
>haha dude it's supposed to be like that

>>2989560
Needs less Loomis

I signed up for oil painting classes to go along with my internship this summer

I don't browse /ic/ often; are classes considered a mistake?

>>2989585
classes are fine if you have cash to spare for it t b h

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It's been awhile guys but I'm gonna post some of my loomis shit from months ago so I get hyped.

>>2989560
Why are its ears up there...? What are the polka dots for?

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Redline

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I think the face turned out somewhat ok, but I don't know what's going on with the body, just looks weird.

>>2989657
I think you could post this in the regular draw thread... it looks like you're making the transition from beginner. How long have you been drawing m8?

Also have any of you guys thought about writing a novel and illustrating it? I've seen some illustrations in books that were mediocre at best ad writing isn't that hard if you think about all the time we spend shitposting.

>>2989660
>writing isn't that hard
Maybe, but there's a lot more to writing a novel. You have to have a compelling story, good pacing, good prose, etc. People who think this way are the reason there are so many shitty novels out there. Anyway, if you want to talk about writing, go to /lit/. It's just as much a skill as drawing.

>draw on paper for a while
>try to go back to tablet
>0 pen control

>>2989667
Yeah I can pick up what you're putting down. I would assume if you just start typing novels like El Ron Hubbard or Steven king that eventually your writing might become acceptable like after 10-20 novels or novellas. A typical novella is 15-30k words and I added up all my shit posts from a particularly active night and I had type over 3k words so I think writing would come naturally to 4chan autists. The reason I mentioned it here is because I think that would be a cool way to apply your artwork even if it is very mediocre. Children's books is another idea but that requires more drawing. I think, for me at least, 30 drawings for a light novel sounds about right because it would be an illustration every few pages and it would take me about the same time to draw all the pictures as write the book and if I wrote 3k words and draw a picture everyday then I would be done in a month, including editing and being a lazy shithead.

And you don't have to only illustrate fiction.. a political dissertation could benefit from illustration equally. The thing is that my lack of motivation and insecurity is what is killing me the most and they say that people who set small goals and achieve them are the most successful so writing and illustrating shitty light novels sounds like the perfect idea to me. Even if they suck at first then the next one might be better.

I'm guessing there are tumblr authors and deviantarttards so that is kind of depressing though.

>>2989657
I don't see anything wrong with the body, but it doesn't seem to fit your head very well.

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opinions on the background?

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>>2989762
I marked the places that seem unnatural, assuming you are going to do the ground later.

>>2989770
thank you

Any cheap tablet to start with?

>>2989809
just use a mouse

>>2989809
I bought Huion h610 pro for 70 bucks and I'm satisfied with it. Good size, works well, only one or two minor annoyances.

>>2989813
I use it but it has no sense to draw like this, you cant reach natural or precise traces unles you use paths and edit it

>>2989829
>you cant reach natural or precise traces unles you use paths and edit it
what do you mean by this?

>>2989809
Printer paper and a pen.

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>>2989492
S-Sargent senpai?

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>>2989574
TOP KEK

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I want to go further in Loomis today. Any tips before I continue?

This should teach this stuff in school. Some basic drawing ability would've helped a lot when I was in college.

>>2989657
her neck is like twice as long as it needs to be. I think her right elbow should be moved too.

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Trying to learn proportions and the dimensions of common things. Does this look proportionate?

>>2989537
not the pussy exactly but where it was supposed to be

>>2989904
chimney looks slightly tilted and the base of the house should be taller. There's almost no way those stick dudes can fit into those doors without bending over

>>2989886
How is this beginner? Lemme see finished work

>>2989886
good perspective
now add anatomy

>>2989924
check ur tall privilege

>>2989924

Aight, I'll do another one.

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>>2989859
>>2989865
You seem to do your heads tilted to the right

Don't.

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>>2989956
tfw when you're asian and somehow you're 6' 3"

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>>2989967

Im practicing. What angle do you like?

>>2989436
I'm using Sai Paint Tool. I really like the color picker and the fact that it runs well on shit computers.

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>>2989979
You are right leaning in your drawings.

try practicing doing stuff that ends at the left.

Dont know if I'm explaining myself.

Basically you suffer from pic related.

>>2989536
this going to sound a bit weird but I use gel pens. They're smooth and have a nice feel to them and the color is strong and it dries quickly.

>>2989113
fix those legs

>>2989883
What's ironic is that some of the drawings like this are way better in the alternative stylization thread and yet this is in /beg/

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Hey /beg/
I just saw this pic and I started to rethink about the way I draw portraits, and now I start by the nose and the mouth like taught in this pic.

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>>2990014
So I did this portrait of Bastien Vives, wich I find pretty good

>>2990014
translate it weeb

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>>2990016
But then I wanted to draw eveliinushkaa, but I realized that I can't draw any emotion, so she looks dead af
what should I do ?

>>2990014
I would recommend the vilppus/loomis/hoggarts first.

But if it works for you, go for it.

try more than 1 method tho.

>>2990017
Do I look like a weeb, you weeb ? I don't talk the naruto sorry

>>2990016
>>2990018
Yeah

Not the best.

Try the classic ways.

>>2990019
Well I don't want to draw like loomis, I just want to develop something else here, but thx I'll check in his book

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>>2990024
>I want muh style before I have learned the masters

>>2990023
>classic ways
what do you mean by that ?

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>>2990026
Well

The classic ways of draw.

vilppu, loomis, etc.

idk what else could you of when I say that in that context.

>>2990025
I know that this is the opinion we find a lot here on /ic/
But I'm studying art, drawing, comics and I know what am I doing don't worry about that, I just want some tips about making lively expressions

>>2990028
i don't know where I am we are not taught to draw like that, but I'll try vilppu loomis etc

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>>2990024
this helped me fix a lot of things with my expressions, personally.

>>2989990
I think SAI has some kinda brush palette or how do you call it... You put your preferred brushes in there to switch between them easily.
Idk, never even wanted to install it.

>>2990017
While I know Japanese, I'm unable to decipher this handwriting.

>>2990028
Friendly reminder that approaches taught by Vilppu or Loomis haven't seen light until relatively recent times.

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>>2990031
I'm just sayan that you are yet not good enough to make it appealing and that the other ways may work better for you mane.

Dont worry tho, maybe later you will be able to make it appealing.

dew not loose hope

>>2990037
yeah thx, we certainly don't have the same concept of drawing and stuff but I appreciate your answer and I'll give it a try

>>2990035
Yeah, already found that out. Downloaded a nice pencil brush that I like.

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made this bitch cry

>>2990069
Looks like a dude in a shitty rock band crying

>>2990082
Thanks !

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I'm getting a same face issue when I'm drawing portraits, what's a good thing to study to try and break it?

>>2990095
Draw more faces using whatever construction method you're using (loomis, bridgman, etc) and see what differences you see in different faces. Try memorizing as many different types of noses eyes and lips you can and you will learn how to mix and match them to get different faces. Once you're comfortable with that, start messing with different face structures

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some help anyone?
I want to learn from realism before going with stylization
right now i'd rather focus on the torso, but anything else worth to mention would be appreciated
for the record i used this to reference
>https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/30/3d/c9/303dc92d56bbfcd7c287e44bc8494e83.jpg

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>>2990123
>I want to learn from realism before going with stylization

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>>2990123
>I want to learn from realism before going with stylization

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Help

>>2990126
>>2990131
still people pray Loomis

>>2990133
maybe we have different wrists but mine isnt nearly that jagged on the right side when i try doing that
yours almost looks broken

>>2990133
good job
Maybe take less time on the shading and do more hands to work the form

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What am I doing wrong?
all figures I draw look unnatural af

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I'm studying from photos on the side, just in case my observational skill declines (maybe it did)

>>2990182
Oh shit; I just notice the majority of the heads drawn from imagination now look horribly alien again. I'll have to read about proportion some more; does anyone have any resource which has measurements for the proportions of the head in 3:4 views?

>>2990177
seems good, try to draw faster, or not with your nonpreferred hand, you'll catch up the life of the pose

>>2990185
How about drawing a fat marker, so you can't noodle around in feature details?

>>2990203
with*

>>2990203
That's a pretty good idea I'll try that

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>>2989377

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>>2990177
Yeah. And this is the main reason, although you also need to shape your arms better.
Check the shape and keep it in mind for your next drawings.

>>2990185
3/4. Literally.
Like, if your head is 320 px tall, then it's about 240 px wide. If the closer eyes is 20 px wide, the other one is about 15 px. If the angle is less than 30—40 degrees, the difference in proportions is less, and it is bigger in case of the opposite. The vertical positions are no different from the frontal view, and you have sketchfab for studying horizontal positions.

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>>2989414
fundamentally you've improved, you've started using better groundwork and are nearing that point where a beginner will try anything in the book to get a feel for bodies, I say you've improved quite a bit and will continue to improve if you keep at it for long enough
literally though, don't be a bitch about your art and start doing actual studies if you want to actually improve - it doesn't matter if they look shitty now to you, you're learning and you can make mistakes

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Just finished the Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain exercise, "Modified Contour Drawing," for the first time. I didn't have a viewfinder or anything, so I just looked at my hand and drew it.
What do you think, friends?

>>2990225
I think it's promising, I can tell that you are trying to draw what you see and not resorting to symbol drawings

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>>2989377

>>2990185

Loomis. But, not the one from the book. The simplified one. I know a lot people here bash this guy because of his imagination drawing incident but proko has a simplified Loomis head method that is easy to learn. There's instruction videos on youtube.

>>2989560
Instead of criticizing just post your bullshit it's not like your female form gets any more colorful then a fucking porygone

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>>2990139
Umm... Loomis method can be used on real life drawing of people.

This guy used it for portraits :

https://www.instagram.com/icuong/?hl=en

>>2990247
Still, this has nothing to do with learning from life
I know they were talking about >>2990126
>realism
Loomis work IS a stylization, even if it's almost "photo realistic"

But I don't say that just to deny, like we do on the internet, but just to say, you can have a different goal than drawing like Loomis, Loomis taught a way to draw, we are here to discuss about drawing, not especially about Loomis
that's why I personally like people not answering question of /beg/ with "Loomis"
But that's a good and interesting answer you got there

>>2989585
There's nothing wrong with classes, especially for painting - there's a lot of beginner info, like what brushes, paint, how to mix glazes, stuff like that, that's easier to learn in person.

>>2989585
Ask around about the teacher. Teacher skills and personality is important. Paying money just to get a lazy asshole of a teacher is just infuriating.

Check current and past students work if you can. Usually they have it on a website or the put it on display in the class.

Once you're satisfied with everything then spend your money.

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So i just tried to make a portrait and it looks like hot muddy shit.

This is my first time painting something for real, though. What are some beginner mistakes i must especially look out for?

>>2990247
thanks for the link, some nice stuff there

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some dude i sketched before i started studying
thots?

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I'd like to make a webcomic some day, except I know nothing of fundamentals, shadows, etc. and struggle like a bastard every time I try.

Here's my attempt at random gory manga cover art. Done with mouse and Firealpaca. Thoughts?

>>2990443

Samefagging to say that I am aware of the sketchy awfulness of my lines. I've improved decently in that area recently, believe it or not, and hope to improve in it further.

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>>2990443
>>2990448

Hurr. Forgot it's supposed to be around 1000x1000. My bad.

I have a question that's been bothering me for a while. How important is it that I be able to draw and create something entirely from my mind?

I find that if I draw from imagination I can create something pretty okay looking but it will take me forever. However when I use reference the time difference is huge, I can immediately spot any mistakes in my sketches and quickly correct them. Sometimes I use 3D models to figure out my lighting and i feel like i'm cheating because I know that i'd never be able to figure out some things on my own but I feel like I am supposed to... am I?

The reason i do this is because i have a learning problem. I'll study something for several days and then forget it the following week. this causes a lot of anxiety for me and using these references are a remedy for that. I grew tired of having to relearn how to draw certain body parts over and over again but at the same time i feel guilty because it feels like i'm cheating.

>>2990435
bamp

>>2990469

When is the last time you take a break? Usually when anxiety hits me I take a break a day or two. And when I come back it just seems silly that I had anxiety in the first place and my confidence just get a boost and I learn so much faster.

Maybe it's just me. But try it how knows it might work better for you.

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Jesus I'm a slow learner. I know this still looks like mediocre amateur art still, but compared to what I have been drawing this has been a drastic improvement. I think I'm starting to get the hang of drawing? I realize I'm still having trouble with symbol drawing still though. Like I said, I'm a slow learner

Should you force yourself to draw more even when you don't want to?

>>2990511
If you want it to be your career, remember that there are people working around the clock because they love it, and even more so because they work with a sense of urgency. You're not going to love doing it all the time if you want to make it a career, but it is important that you love it and develop an intrinsic drive.

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Why do my qt anime girls never look qt :(

>>2990531
You're bad at proportions and also don't really know what's the underlying anatomy so it's not presented all that correctly. Also because she has no clothes, makes her look like way more unattractive.

>>2990531
try flipping the canvas

>>2990536
Honestly I only draw them naked because I don't know how to draw clothes well.

>>2990510
You might be. Even though your picture has a fuckton of issues, it has some appeal, not related only to sex.

To fix your fuckton of issues, you need to know anatomy/proportions and think in 3D. First off, her far thigh can't be smaller than the one facing the viewer. Second, her hands have too different sizes and shapes, not to mention that the length of fingers can't exceed the length of the palm so much. Third, you put her hips too high. Four, you need to fix your chicken scratching habit. Draw clean and confident lines. Five, learn about values and line weight.

That would be enough for now. Now here's a model that can help you fixing some of these issues and the ones I didn't mention.
https://sketchfab.com/models/e07356fe016e4d6d93653145059fd6ec

>>2989635
Good start. Remember not to get caught up with lines and forget the form. This Loomis technique emphasizes on adding shapes to a sphere, so for instance, the nose is a cone shape, the cheeks are small cubes or puffy spheres, etc. Your lines aren't really showing any shape to the head.

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What kind of 2-month routine would you recommend to someone trying to seriously improve in art?

I want to do sketching for June, and Sketching+Painting for July. Which sources to study from would you recommend?

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>>2990182
Woo, it looks like you're studying construction! Good for you. Your faces are already having more symmetry and alignment to them than before. You're showing the planes of the head now which is good.

One thing I'd like to point out is that your noses look a bit long. A good rule of thumb is to keep the base of the nose halfway between browline and chin. Learn the basic division of proportions. You can just learn the front view and it will translate directly to all other views. Loomis or Hampton, either one. In terms of foreshortening, the gaps between features shrinks as they move further from view.

Next is that you're face is slanted, the chin is far in front of the forehead on most. Compare it to the bald head which has a better angle. Study the head in profile to see just how the plane of the face curves. I think the main problem though is that you're forgetting to move the jaw/earline along with the head. So when your face tilts up, the jaw stretches out rather than also tilting.

>>2990510
I like it but am personally not a fan of the anime eyes. Just takes away from the nice line drawing you did. You can still have stylized eyes that are more realistic. It would probably look much better.

>>2990568
binge sycra and draw boxes.

>>2990401
At this point, it just looks like you need to spend more time rendering what is there. For instance, the eyes and nose are unfinished. They still have lines and it's not well defined what's going on there.

Good job painting that for the first time though! Your values seem okay to me and you're blending isn't bad. It's not really as muddy as you say. You're just lacking knowledge about what's going on with the features so you don't know how to render it. From here on out, it's just a matter of you learning more about the head. The form, construction, anatomy, and so on to help you better paint what's there.

>>2990577

>sycra

opinion discarded

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been drawing for about a year now, constructive criticism appreciated

>>2990626
How are you so good?

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>>2990627
I can't tell if you're serious but just lots of practice really. heres another from about a year ago

>>2990631
Nice man! Do you have any other tips in general?

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ugh uncanny as fuck

>>2990632
I usually start by drawing random lines, without a final product in mind. I'm self taught other than required art classes in middle&high school

>>2990633
where u been er-bear

>>2990637
im sorry just a bit of a hiatus not a bad hiatus just to do other stuff for a good month

>>2990654
>>2990645
>>2990641
we don't need 2560x1440 of shitty doodles, resize it

>>2990655
Im on mobile didnt even know my phone took pictures that big

Where to start DotRSotB or loomis?

>>2990659
Book thread

>>2990575
Ah; I think looking at this resource I may have given them very small lower domes that push out to far; it makes the face structure look triangular kind of.

Thank you for the nose advice; I will make sure I give it a change for next time

I'm getting lost in this. I did the Picasso thing, what the hell am I supposed to do now? Should I just draw random objects, or watch more of that pseudo science dogshit about shading and gesturing?

I have zero idea where to proceed from here. I need an adult.

>>2990451
It's another "I draw what I want I don't need no fundamentals" episode

>>2990893
Post your Picasso.

>>2990893
That exercise is from a book. Look in sticky. Finish the book and you'll have an idea how to practice. It doesn't even take that long.

>>2990451
you and kodyboy_555 should hang out and draw some.

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no matter how hard i try i cant get the girl to look like shes actually standing on the dead monster. any tips?

>>2990992
Find the horizon line and introduce perspective.

Are brush pens good for sketching?

>>2990445
bump

>>2990997
I think you should read the sticky.

>>2990992
shouldn't there be a slight indent right under her feet to show that she's standing on something soft

Why do i tend to "under-rotate" everything? I always draw things more flat and forwards looking than they are. What are good exercises to remove this?

I'm doing keys to drawing because all the pseudoscience on the right side of the brain was killing me and I have a pretty stupid question

In actual drawing you will be using construction even when drawing from a life model, right? You don't just go ahead and draw lines on the canvas. All exercises are basicLly just "draw what you see" and they never mention where to start and things like that

sup h/ic/ks
>ctrl+f "tablet"

only brings up this guy >>2989809

i have worked with traditional for a while now but want to get a tablet. used bamboo or something when i was much younger and hated it. was that a bad choice of starter tablet or can you git gud with it? idc so much about price but i am still quite jewish

you wouldn't draw a car

>>2991044
If normal tablet at least get medium size. Small will hurt your wrist. There are ways around it but it's a hassle. Just get medium.

I have zero knowledge about screen tablet other than it's expensive.

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hows the anatomy on this one i did all the construction and shit this time so hopefully its better
[spoiler]how do i left hand[/spoiler]

>>2988840
So uh this is gesture? Should I be using a reference?

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>>2991063
haha nice one 4chin

It's like the repetitive stress of drawing exactly counteracted the repetitive stress of typing and my fingers stopped going numb. It's a miracle.

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Any tips and advice? I'm barely starting on anatomy.

>>2991059
fucking legs how do they connect
and I ain't gonna look at no anatomy books
Those motherfuckers be lyin' and gettin' me pissed

>>2990599
I like it but the mouth feels a bit wonky

>>2991092
Start with gestures first. Then learn how to construct the figure with round/box forms. Anatomy comes later

How is it even possible to draw from imagination without symbol drawing?

It's more or less the same thing

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why can i draw anything from imagination?

i've gotten better at photocopying.

>>2991207
draw more

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>>2991208
im really trying to FEEL the drawing you know

>>2991217
Draw with a fat brush.

>>2991217
FEEL harder

>>2991207
You know, if it's creatures you want to draw, you could always just use reference from other creatures (be it real or created by other artists) and just pick the elements you like. Also in general, just draw more. every time you use reference you'll remember some elements for later and build up your mental library, assuming you don't just mindlessly copy and actually think about why it has certain proportions, details, etc..

>>2991189
If you understand the form you can draw the subject realistically even from imagination.

>tfw the more you learn about drawing the more you see the errors, shortcuts, and "I-just-don't-give-a-fuck" stuff in manga and the less you enjoy it

It's like when I learned to program in college and video games suddenly became shallow and transparent.

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>>2990751
I'm going to post some new stuff I drew without reference. I'm going to study the planes on plate 9 of the book now, definitely work out the mouth and lip shape some more

>>2991276
The middle portrait's face looks too wide and the ears are too short (i. e. their upper borders are not high enough). The left one has bad head, but the face is passable. The jaws should be rounder and the eye sockets should be bigger. The right portrait looks pretty good, but: the chin is misaligned, the far eye's lower eyelid droops too much, and you put his far ear lower than the other, which is strange, considering the facial elements that suggest a lack of sideways tilt.

Yeah, a book proved to be a much better teacher. You're improving relatively fast. I wonder if you really needed those several months of drawing heads without it.

>>2991301
On tilting the facial elements I always find that the eyes and mouth especially just seem to float above the face and obstruct the place that they were meant to be placed at, not seeming to move at all.

Don't beat yourself up about that; Loomis had his whole life to write some book about a topic he was interested in, you only have 12 hours to summate why some random stranger over the internet fails to draw faces correctly before the thread dies.

I wish I'd picked up Bridgman and Loomis sooner, though. Anyways: time to advance in the direction of the rightmost head

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How bad is it?

>>2991357
Good

>>2991256
But even then you'd have to have drawn it from every single angle imaginable otherwise if you go to draw it from a different angle you'll just symbol draw it the way you did last time.

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How to deal with burnout? I think I do too much at once so my brain just shits itself for the next day; can't do anything but doodles. Will this go away with time or do I just have to work around it?

>>2990994
>>2990996
thanks. ill add both.

>>2991381
I don't think you understand what drawing from form means.

>>2991391
Work around it

I'm saying this as someone who did nothing but doodles for the past month.

>>2991391
You may recover for a week or two, just keep doodling a very little bit each day so as not to lose your technical skills (aka muscle memory). And keep browsing images you like.
Funny, but it somehow brings up your artistic skills better than grinding.

>>2990893
the picasso thing is trying to make you get into the mindset of how to draw properly. When you drew the picasso upside down, you were forced to replicate weird scribbles and lines and just go "oh, that's an arm" and then draw what you don't actually see.

>>2991391
Holy shit, how did you improve so much?

>>2991391
Power through it. Do gesture drawing.

>>2991428
is this the new "blog?"

>>2991443
it used to be "how are you so good" but then again it's usually easy to tell if someone's being sarcastic with a blog ask

>>2991042
plz

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>>2990599
turd polishing episode 2

>>2991391
Do some studies. There's all kind of studies you can do and it doesn't really require a lot of thinking. Personally I like studying textures. Very relaxing.

>>2991063

Use this site to practice gesture.

https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>2991059
wtf did you actually looomised that?the right leg is fucked

>>2990035
>I know Japanese
and you can't read handwriting?

>>2990156
>work the form
can someone explain how one "works the form"? or even what that means

>>2990531
learn gesture

>>2991042
>>2991576

Drawing from observation doesn't need construction. It trains the ability to observe, analyze and reproduce that image in your brain into the canvas.

Did you even do that upside down picasso shit? how did you draw that? By observing. Seeing the relation between the angles. That is the beginning of drawing and that's what the books teaches you.

The book pretty much hold your hand along the way. Now what you need to do is to train your eye,brain and hand coordination. Take simple objects around the house put it on a table and start drawing by OBSERVING. Line by line, angle by angle. Then start breaking it down into simple shapes. The light area, the shadow area are their own shapes. The objects are made of shapes. The trick is to look at it from far and not close in on the details.

Once you can copy what you SEE even if it's not perfect. You can now move on to studying the construction. Loomis etc...

Now if you're confuse instead of being frustrated JUST START DOING IT. Take out your pencil and paper and start drawing stuff in your room. Draw everything then take a break and let the knowledge seep in.

>>2991593
try a harder edge on the bridge if the nose maybe?

also, the direction the teeth go doesn't follow the skull/ values of the darker side of the face

>>2991635
This is really helpful. I think I was just overthinking stuff and getting frustrated because I wasn't sure if I had to reproduce or actually try to "feel" the shapes and anatomy under.

Thanks a lot.

>>2991633
I'm not English, that's hard to explain
I meant the line that form the hand, not the lines that make the relief and the shadows

Is it alright if I ask for advice regarding certain drawing mediums? I'm having a hell of a time with Dr Martin's Bleedproof White and I wanna know if I'm using it wrong.

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>>2989377

>>2991699
You can talk about whatever you want to talk about, bro.

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>>2991731
Just recently I got my hands on some Dr Martin's Bleedproof White for correcting my ink lines and adding highlights. Thing is though, while it covers the lines well and it dries opaque and smooth, I can't go back over it with ink or anything, it just breaks it up or reacts to it in some manner. I tried it with dip pens but that doesn't work.
The brush worked alright, as you can see on the right, but that's on a thin application of the White, and I don't think that would be enough to properly cover any mistakes or linework. On a medium appliaction, like on the left, it just mixes into the stuff and the lines aren't very smooth and lovely.
Not sure what I'm doing really.

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Can I get any feedback before I continue?

I'm thinking that the neck might be slightly too thick? Is it? Or are the shoulders too small?

Why do all my characters have down syndrome?

idno its just missing the 'shazazz' that professional artwork has... but I'm wondering what that is, both in consideration to gimmicks(overlay and chromatic aberration) and fundamentals / well honed skills

I'm still trying to visualize the eyes as two balls

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>>2991768
... ffs this is an old one with a similar file name, this is the new one

>>2991772
eyebrows

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What kind of perspective is this in, 3 point? The vertical lines on the columns don't look like they are converging so the bottom vanishing point is somewhere way off screen below? I'm having difficulty imagining where the vanishing points should be.

>>2991630
japanese has 4 different writing systems

>>2991808

3 point.

>vanishing point is somewhere way off screen below?

Yes.

>>2991808
Diagonal angles are always three point

>>2991772
her face is weird. think of her head as a jar or a bottle or something. does it make sense to be able to see so much of her face when she is turned to a side.
if her body is pointing left and her face is looking the same way the left side of her head should be away from us. not straight ahead like it is here.

>>2990536
How does one get better at proportions specifically

>>2991833
do studies

>>2991816
>>2991822
Could you point out where the vanishing points are or might be (I realize they should be out of the canvas)? I still don't understand where they should/might be.

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How is my loomis going? He said this was the "most important plate" in drawing the head and hands.

>>2991630
You know, sometimes I'm unable to understand particularly bad handwriting even in my native language, my knowledge of which is impeccable. Kinda ironic, since I used to have barely decipherable handwriting myself.

>>2991768
Isn't your zombie's trapezius too big for a female? Anyway, the thickness of the neck is fine, but remember that it is concave in the front. You also need to rotate your clavicles about 5—10 degrees counter-clockwise.
And god, that face is so fucking creepy. Seeing dead women with such shiny eyes and makeup is too much even for my manliness to bear.

>>2991772
Beautiful eyes. Too bad the rest of the face doesn't look so good for some reason, which partially owes to unhealthy skin tones.

>>2991808
Dafuq I'm lookin' at? What the hell is that crabhead thing? Sauce of the show and the episode?

>>2991842
Seems like you have a problem with positioning your eyes evenly and giving them the same shape.

>>2991854
Damn. Yeah, it's really apparent on the squirtle. It's annoying because I always notice it immediately after the drawings done.

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>>2991842
now try from different angles

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Does this look right I still need to do the shading and such just want to know what I need to fix before I move on?

>>2991866
derp

>>2991868
I think I might have a lazy eye that or messed up the pupil placement

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I don't know if this is the right thread/board for this I don't really "do" art I just kinda doodle in my lecture notes from time to time

I was feeling brave and decided to doodle something a little more complicated than a stickman and I thought it was going okay up till a certain point and I realised something

Where the fuck does the head go

Like how do I get a neck and head out of this

I know in terms of perspective and proportions and all that it's a total mess but I'm just doodling so I figure it doesn't really matter

I just kinda want to finish it now. Where does the head go

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>>2989376

>>2991843
Renai Boukun. It's fun.
Still can't figure out the vanishing points for that screen.

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>>2989377
Could be more streamlined.

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How would i draw the leg on the left in this pose without it looking like a stump?

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>>2989674
>draw on tablet for a while
>try to go back to pencil
>0 pencil control

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>>2991979
ok I had to attempt a joke, but this post is actually a huge lie

I lost pressure in my previous tablet and I couldn't chicken scratch anymore and now I can draw beautiful confident lines
I'd still be drawing shitty faint everything if my tech didn't fail

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>>2991919
Thanks.
Those points are too far away to bother, and there is not enough parallel lines to build the complete grid.

is it acceptable to colour pick from images when making original art? for example if you liked a photographs colour scheme and decided to use it

>>2991842
How is your rendering so good?

>>2991999
Meh, rendering is a lot easier to master than drawing accurately.

(Another guy.)

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After ages of half handedness and procrastination, I'm finally buckling down. I've studied all weekend, mostly torsos. What would be best to study next?

>>2992027
heads

>>2992027
Blog?

>>2991357
good but go much darker especially in the shadows. your drawings will really pop if you add more value in there.

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When I erase my pencil backing after inking in the lines in my drawings usually look off slightly, and fail to keep the original thickness/structure they have in the sketch.

How do I fix this?

>>2991985
Ohhh, thank you. This gives me a better idea. Is the horizon line above the blue line?

>>2992027
I like your bodies,anatomy and all. What have been using to study/learn?

>>2992027
thicc

>>2992136
Honestly, I have no idea. It would be one thing if at least one set of parallel lines was clearly converging in one direction, but...

>>2992139
Ok, thanks. I'll get a better picture another time, I was just really interested in this particular screenshot.

>>2992030

I don't blog, I'll devote at least a year to learn before I post on any gallery

>>2992137

I study Hampton, Loomis and Vilppu. I mostly use the Hampton method of of construction. There's less guess work in between the steps.

>>2990123
You're doing well, keep working

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Why don't I know how to draw faces? I've looked through the hampton chapter multiple times

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>>2992027
what did you use to study torsos, and the limbs? id like other learning material as well

>>2992179
you aren't taking enough time with your measurements. go watch that dorien gray video set about accuracy or go back to keys to drawing - hampton won't help you for a bit

>>2992195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3K3YMbd8
This one?

>>2990182
i love these, did u use a pen for this?

>>2992186
use reality, a good source of reference

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Is it okay?

>>2992326
broken glasses
broken eyes

Should a beginner at digital sketching avoid tools like Lazy Nezumi?

>>2992326
what on earth are you drawing on?

>>2992353
Paper?

Maybe a weird question but are there any drawing streams that are worth watching? The stuff on twitch is usually pretty awful.

>>2992404
I have yet to find one.

>>2992404
>streaming your drawing
>giving away your trade secrets

No competent artist would do this

What do you think is better for learning? To finish a shit painting you've already invested quite some time in or moving on and drawing something else?

>>2992454
Having been in this situation numerous times, I recommend the latter option. Looking at something too much gets your eyes used to it, and you start to perceive it as normal, which is a bad idea when you drew something poorly.

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I lost the shape in the profile view. I also lost the humanity, it seems

>>2992463
Is this like advanced symbol drawing?

>>2992464
no thats called anime

>>2992464
I like to think that I can symbol draw better than this

>>2992404
Sometimes you can find a decent artist on picarto

What do you do to get perfectly clean lines in digital art? Rough it out, create a new layer, then pen tool over it?

>>2992489
use your tablet to play FPS games until you get pixel perfect accuracy

>>2992490
lol is that seriously possible?

>>2992489

Yes, but clean up your rough scratch, and zoom in to create the pen line. Use long, sweeping atrokes for good line weight and flow control, then zoom out and inspect your work.

When using the Loomis method of constructing a head, how do you cater for head shapes? I'm trying to copy reference photos with the Loomis method with some success but if it's a woman typically their head is not as wide as men so I have to "cut off" some of the side

>>2992463
this looks insanely retarded because you're ignoring the head proportions. I'm not memeing when I say please go read Loomis because his book explains the proportions of the head

>>2992489
Create a new layer and trace over your drawing, you need to make broad long and confident strokes to get it really clean. It takes a lot of retries and a steady hand

>>2992520
I don't even have a ruler! Ok: time to revise using Loomis again

>>2992489
By not being autistic about perfection.

>>2992569
Ruler? What do you need a ruler for?

>>2992578
Ruling, of course.

>>2992578
On second thoughts I don't need a ruler. It would be handy for perspective though

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>>2992581
For loomis?

>>2992584
There are many things that need to be ruled.

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>>2992463

Man, I'm glad piracy is a thing. So many of these video courses and books are so awful, I'd be pissed if I had spent money on them.

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How the fuck do I do values and pick colors? I'm getting so frustrated at myself cause I can't get the tones right.

>>2992587
Oh right! I get it now

>>2992596
Does Loomis's measurement of the nose based on the distance between the browline and the hairline work for all views or just level 3:4 and profile?

>>2992595
no contrast, it's just one big grayish blob.

>>2989376
man my right hand arm is already doing enough work jacking off now I have to deal with all these exercises from draw a box?

I wonder how big my right hand is gonna be compared to my left in the future..

>>2991756
Well I tried to apply the Bleedproof White thinly on some test splotches of ink. I mixed in some water and then for good measure, dropped some water on top, closed the lid, and let it sit overnight. However I think it thinned too much because it didn't cover well and just kinda blotched over the ink. I was able draw over it with a ballpoint pen and felt tip brushes though.
I dunno, might have to keep at this stuff or try another brand.

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can anyone help me with this anatomy and boobs position?

>>2991756
You're expecting too much from it. It's not meant to be worked over - it's artist's white out - it was originally used to fix mistakes in art that was going to be photographed - non-opaque white's become transparent when photographed, which is why people used paints like this to cover up mistakes.

This is the hard part with ink drawing - mistakes can be deadly. On thicker papers, you can scratch or sand the mistakes off, but too big a mistake means starting over.

Ink drawing is all planning ahead, and not getting ink into areas you want highlights in, and not making mistakes.

>>2991768
You are lacking good drawing skills, and haven't captured the face accurately.

You're using black to shade. Just stop.

Your lighting is completely wrong.

You're attempting work that's above your skill level. You need more work on the building blocks - lighting, shading, color, and anatomy.

You'll need all of that for stylized work, like this, even though it's not realistic.

>>2992406
Trade secrets?

LOL.

Yeah, no. That's not a thing.

>>2992823
Sure thing, kiddo. You never saw Da Vinci livestreaming his work.

>>2992827
He would have if he could have

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>>2992814
I see. As I said, it's pretty good at covering up mistakes or smears on the board, but if it isn't to be worked over I'll just have to further train and discipline myself.

Thanks man. Gonna make note of this.

>>2992862
Exactly, it's not meant as a layering paint to work on top of, it's for touching up.

I know what you're going through, I've been doing ink work and calligraphy for years. You have to plan everything out before you start inking.

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I need a mountain of advice regarding proportions, shading, and "perspectives".

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>>2989376
How do you draw a hand holding a phone like this god