drawing skeleton over photos

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here is the original photo

>>2984250
Is that justin bieber?
Damn I feel old and gay.

the femur should go up a little higher and not extend so far from the pelvis. the humerus should connect lower to the shoulder

>>2984250

Tracing is not allowed

>>2984292
Do you mindlessly parrot everything this board says?

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>>2984259
i tried again. How it looks now? I know there is lots of problems.

>>2984254
Yes i just realize she just looks like justin.

>>2984292
I need to learn simple anatomy so i can draw without references.

>>2984303

If you want to git gud you need to stop tracing and read more Loomis

>>2984308
I'm gonna take that as a troll post

you see those bumps at the green arrows? thats the shown muscles being pushed out by the ball of the joint, so the legs go all the way up there

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fuck, forgot pic

>>2984406
and thats a good advice i think. look for bumps, all of them can be explained

>>2984406
oh, and the right arrow is the outside of the femur

>>2984406
nais m8 useful info

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>>2984406
If muscles are being pushed out by the ball joint of the femur, her leg is dislocated and out of the socket. The area indicated by the green arrows are where the layers of muscle and tendon flow over the greater trochanter, and attach to the pelvic bone.

>>2984460
well, as you can see on the middle one there. the iliacus and psoas major go right over the ball, and those muscles are under the ones i showed

>>2984474
The ball is in the hip socket, it doesn't influence the shape of the hip at all. Do you even know what part of the femur is the ball? And where it sits in the pelvis? It doesn't float free, it's in a socket surrounded by bone and tendons. It;s the foundation of the hip structure, it's not shaping the hips - the pelvis, the outer curve of the femur (the outer trochanter), and the muscles do that. That diagram doesn't show the muscles OVER the iliacus and psoas. The hip is a complex system, so complex they have to break it down to show the sub systems. We spent more time on it than any other part of the body in the anatomy for artist's class we took.

The ball of the femur does not influence the shape of the hips. It just doesn't. Learn what it is, where it is, and how it works.

>>2984474
ok, checked again, the iliac crest hangs over quite a bit so its just muscles showing, but still a good way to know where to put it

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>>2984474
As you can see, you don't know what the ball of the femur is. Please learn the correct names for parts of the body.

>>2984511
err, no thats not what i meant. are you angry today?

>>2984514
No, I just hate people giving bad information, because they haven't studied the subject well.

ok, pushed out was clearly wrong way to put it. just to be clear, the muscles i drew over the photo are rectus femoris and sartorius which do go over the joint. so thats why i brought it up

lol, now i see what i wrote. ball of the joint : d thats not what i meant to write

>>2984308
>>2984377

For real though is tracing constructions from photographs a legitimate way to learn or will it make you dependent on tracing?

I think it's kinda pointless as opposed to... y'know, just drawing the skeleton?

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>>2986733
Definitely not the second.

>>2984308
Have you heard of The Holy Shrimp Method?

>>2986734
The point is to be able to find the structure under the flesh, it helps finding mistakes, specially if you skip the drawing the skeleton part

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>>2984250
>do you have any advice for me?

Something the only good drawing teacher I ever had told me: conceptualize the pelvis as more of a square. It's easy to make it too complicated which just muddies the hips up.

>>2987228

Yeah, I think drawing it as a box helps in perspective too. I've tried Proko's bucket method but drawing ellipses in perspective feels less precise and straight lines allows you to map out the landmarks of the hips aswell

Gonna draw more beans

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Gave it a try.
I recommend drawing from observation first, then tracing and then comparing the two, ideally giving it another try from observation to fix the mistakes.

I, for example, wouldn't have found out how much I tend to butcher the gesture had I traced straight away.

>>2984406
Great observation, thanks for this.

>>2984516
The greater trochanter can be described as a spherical form, i.e. a ball.
It's better to focus on getting your idea across to your fellow artists than to nitpick anatomical terms.

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good thread. could someone give a skeleton to this? i have big trouble with hips

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>>2987267
am I the only person who draws without a skeleton?

>>2989778
what's your method?

>>2989778
Maybe you should start...

>>2989778
of course not, this is an exercise to get better at anatomy

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>>2989784
work from the head down erase erase erase lol usually doing sequential stuff so it's hard for me to invest heavily in drafts

>>2989790
try it, im sure youll learn something. maybe start with the arms, look at the bones at the elbow

>>2989787
I've thought about it I've just never worked it into the process the shit I write is kind of obscure and cartoon anyway but It seems like even the mostsimply designed characters originated from one of these

I guess I could always be better but idk

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>>2989795
that's literally me cutting corners (what started off as this conservative thing I used to do turned it a distinguishing part of the style I draw in) you'll notice everything I draw is kind of like that

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>>2989769
Maybe pick a better ref to look for landmarks, first. Fat is easy to add later.

>>2989778
We don't "draw with a skeleton", we learn the skeleton and use that knowledge to speed up our process.
I often draw nothing but landmarks connected with gestural lines for my sketch. Boney landmarks are easy to spot proportional mistakes on early in the process, which saves a ton of time. You have to know what to look for, though.

That being said, your figures are decent and if you don't want to specialize in figure drawing and instead do concepts, cartoons, vehicles, environments etc., it's not a necessity.

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>>2989769
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>>2989790
your linework is super gorgeous, and for stylized and heavily foreshortened poses like this, you don't necessarily need FULL reference. i think you would have benefited from finding a reference for that leg, though. it looks a little silly. if we can see the shoe's platform at that angle, her foot shouldn't look so tiny/distant because it's technically on the same plane as her thigh. plus being hiked up over that branch adds another slew of questions... is her leg actually meant to be coming forward toward the viewer, like a rockette kick? are those ostrich eggs on a trunk-thick branch? does her other leg have a third joint in the shin? lots of questions over something that wasn't even meant to be focal but is because of the lines in her face leading the eye right to it.

>>2989790
Ya got merch? I wanna wear a shirt with that on it.

>>2990032
thank you, saved. that's very helpful

>>2989790
This one awesome. Do you like girls with short hair?

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op here
thank you guys for being really helpful :3

I returned this model again days later. Picture related finished drawing. If you rate it i would be glad ^_^

>>2994146
do the hip joints really go so low?

>>2995113
Reasonably.

The greater trochanter is roughly in line with the bottom of the pelvis

>>2989790
blog?