Debate on Sakimichan

>>2980155
Fuck off faggot these threads are not reportable as they offer analysis on the current state of the market in demand and trending genres.

She IS mostly just riding on a wave of popular characters, but she's a good artist and she's good at it so good for her.

>inb4 someone nit-picks this piece by talking about how the eyes might be a little too far apart or some shit

While we're bitching about her faults and expressing our jealousy of her unprecedented financial success (for an artist) she's drawing her clit off pumping out more content.

>>2980155
She's successful. Good for her.

She's a good artist who happens to be great at business and knows what characters to draw for success.

Everyone on /ic/ is a worse artist and a worse businessman.

>>2980161
Pretty much this, being envious of her because she put in the time and already made it is pointless. She's shown you what you gonna do be ultra successful and if you aren't going to play the game you can't be angry that you're losing.

>>2980161
>>2980166

OP here, I agree with this. She is not the best artist by a long shot, but she IS good and she is a very good businessman.

Is she highest paid commercial artist within the entertainment industry?

>>2980175
No not even close, she just makes the most on patreon.

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She's extremely good at polishing her stuff and making it appeal as much as possible to non-artists.
If you analyze her work as a whole you can see how carefully everything is so intelligently considered to look like visual candy to the eyes of a normalfag.
And that's what it really is. It's candy.
It looks(tastes) appealing initially, but it's not something you should consume. It's dressed up so much but at the core it's really bad and bad for you.
Non-artists don't care about well-rounded technical expertise or creativity. All they care about is subject matter (pretty girls, fan art and vanilla porn) and shiny rendering because it makes it easier to consume.

I don't hate Sakimichan herself. Her art has absolutely no value to me but I can easily tell that she is fucking genius when it comes to appealing to as many people as possible while incentivizing them to spend money on her patreon. Her skills as a businesswoman definitely command respect in my eyes.

That said. If you're an actual artist yourself or just someone who thinks they have an actual appreciation for art and you think of Sakimichan as making good "art", you should really reconsider your taste.

>>2980184
OP here, no. I am not a artist nor have I ever wanted to be one. I am, in all matters of art, a complete idiot.

But she is a interesting case, she makes what? 60-70k per month? Nice.

You say that she appeals to "normalfags" but is not the point of art to appeal to normal person, not another artist?

>>2980190
Different artists want to appeal to different people.
Some will want to appeal to as many people as they can, some will want to appeal to a specific niche of people with more specific tastes.

If you're aiming for wide appeal you'll have to make certain compromises with your artistic vision so you can appeal to the everyman's tastes.
If you simply make stuff that's appealing to yourself without compromising for the sake of appealing to normals then your audience will become composed of people with similar taste to yourself.

Also when appealing to a niche your fans would be more loyal and more invested in your work because having developed taste gives you a lot more appreciation for stuff that actually appeals to that taste.

>>2980184
wait, since when has Sakimichan been doing full on porn? I always thought her NSFW Patreon images were just softcore tits and dicks.

>>2980155
> Is she really that good
No

> is she just riding on wave of popular characters
Yes

She was also lucky enough to get on the Patreon fad earlier than most artists. Another example is the faggot who draws Questionable Content making five figures a month.

>>2980181
>No not even close, she just makes the most on patreon.

Other than artists who run businesses and make most of their money that way, like Feng Zhu, Bobby Chiu etc, who else in the entertainment industry makes over half a million $ a year? Sakimichan has most top tier art directors beat by a mile considering most of them make about a quarter of a million annually.

>>2980155
She has a talent stack that has allowed her to achieve her success.

Best artist ever? No, but good enough to attract a lot of attention over many years of posting her work.
Best ever at business? No, but good enough to capitalize on the part of her fanbase who LOVES her stuff or wants to paint like her.
Best ever at work ethic? Probably pretty up there, enough that she was posting on a consistent basis for many years on DA before her jump into patreon, after building up a large following.

>>2980210
I don't know if that's really her work or just an edit.
I just typed sakimichan into gelbooru and picked the most recent NSFW image.

>>2980184
technically wise she's solid. She has solid fundamentals and uses them properly. She then dresses it up in what a large audience likes, because she is an entertainer and that's what her art should be doing.

It makes me laugh whenever someone acts like she isn't a solid artist as well. Sure she's no master, but she's by no means anything near bad.

>>2980229
Well yeah, I wouldn't say she's "bad" but she's nowhere near top tier.
My main problem is she's eternally stuck in a comfort zone of boring poses and bust shots and it makes me question if she's really very capable of drawing anything else to any reasonable level.

So, is it legal to ask here where can all stuff be downloaded, anyone got a torrent or something? Or is this forbidden?

She mastered the fundamentals of art. Is she a magnificent artist? No. That being said, neither does she need to be. She appeals to enormous audience, her art is dynamic and colorful.

But above all, her work ethic? At that, she is truly great.

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>>2980259
>She mastered the fundamentals of art

>>2980262
Care to elaborate? She did master the fundamentals, the basics.

>>2980265
not him but
>master
no, she's great at them, but she's far from mastering them.

>>2980277
Fair enough, I might have used the wrong word.

No matter, everything else I said is correct.

>>2980255
I am pretty sure she managed to remove all illegal sources of her work.

>>2980155

Literally never seen anyone here draw better than her in my entire life and you guys consider yourself good so bu that standard, yes, she is really good

>>2980211
>she isnt good

If you're so good at art that you can call her bad at it then post work faggit

>>2980184
If you can look at the picture in this post and still say she's good, you're a failure as an artist.
Seriously, look at those legs. Look at that fucked up pussy.

>>2980155
>is she just riding on wave of popular characters?

That's sort of irrelevant. She's offering a service that apparently a lot of people are willing to pay for, and that's ultimately the goal for most people on this board, particularly the wannabe concept artists, cartoonists, and pornographers. Everyone's riding on something.

She may be gaming the system, but in a way that is available to everyone. She's clearly found a balance of skill, marketing, social media presence, and personality that works out for her. That's something all hopeful, self-employed artists need to figure out for themselves, and a better way to spend your time.

>if you think she's bad post your art xd
>you literally can't critique famous artists in any media

Hmm the only way I can put it..

She's an amazing artist.

Her art is obviously far above even the average artists but compared to fellow professionals she's more polish than substance and has zero breadth.

I would say the judge of an artist is how well they do whatever they set out to do. Her goal is to pander to her fans to make a living, which is a fair goal, and its hard to argue she isn't accomplishing it.

>>2980286
>this non-argument again

Hope you never complained about the taste of food you can't cook, books you can't write or disliked acting in a movie without having an Oscar yourself.

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>>2980155
i've heard a rumor that she has rendering artists working for her in order to fulfill the demand of volume required for her patreon. any truth to this?

>>2980458
shilling this hard
Normies fuck outta here, you've got your tumblr

It's really the issue with a ton of those deviantart artists, everything they draw looks the exact same.

Her use of digital coloring is pretty decent and the overall technique is not terrible but it 's in bad taste, looks really ugly and is completely generic.

>>2980453
>>2980460
The other side of just calling her bad because you disagree with her style or process without having anything to back yourself up is just as retarded.

simple rule of thumb, she's good because she's successful, more so than almost anyone else.
If you can point out anything wrong with her art that isn't completely nitpicky or a stylistic choice, go for it. hint, pointing out minor anatomical errors noone will notice doesn't count.

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>>2980491
>your criticism doesn't count because I don't want it to

>>2980155
If you had any discerning eye for art you wouldn't need to ask how good she is.
She's above average, and probably much better than what the majority of the people in this board can do. The controversy with her is that she has popularity and profit that go far beyond what she deserves if you judge her by her art alone.
Just one quick look at some top of the line professional artists should show you she's no where near that level, yet she's making more money that some of those people.

>>2980504
Normies pay for what normies want. They want oversaturated colors, chromatic aberration and tits. Sakimi delivers this and nothing else.

>>2980491
>pointing out minor anatomical errors no one will notice doesn't count
I think artists who study anatomy can point out minor anatomical issues that can make or break a piece. A few anons at the top say shes pandering to normies, and desu people who arent into art and anatomy, in the "hardcore" sense, wont find anatomy issues as important as the subject matter. If you enjoy her stuff then more power to you

>>2980478
I mean her art isn't really my dish but she does what she set out to do. So you can't say she isn't successful.

>>2980515
>make or break
the issues people "critique" are nitpicky issues you have to actively look for and force yourself to be bothered by.

She's very skilled at marketing herself.

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Being mad at Sakimichan because she's ultra popular is like being mad at MacDonalds because it's the most fast food chain in the world. Sure you could make a burger that them on any giving day, but can make a better business model?

Instead of being hyper critical of her work solely because you feel yourself or others are better and more deserving, how about making art with a mass appeal and matching her work ethic instead being bitter that she already made it.

>But fuck appealing to normies, I don't want to be a slave to their shit taste.

And that's the difference be Sakimi's success and lack of your own.

>>2980536
If the main protagonist in a story gets a deus ex machina, would "critiquing" it be nitpicky? or a criticism of a poor story?

>actively look for and force yourself to be bothered by
If youre petty then yea that would be the case, but as said previously, if you studied anatomy and have a good understanding of a fundies, you'll be able to pick up on these things. If you enjoy her stuff anon, then by all means enjoy it.

>>2980563
plenty of pro artists and doctors that know anatomy far better than you ever will don't get bothered by small errors in anatomy.

>>2980599
could you cite some sources?

>>2980155
There's skill and talent there, but she relies too much on the airbush effect. Back in the 80's, when airbrushing was all the rage, a lot of the artwork looked like this. Not my thing, but if she's selling/getting attention, more power to her.

Personally, I dislike the anime features with realistic everything else. Again, not my thing.

>>2980640
>relies too much on airbrush effect when she literally paints with the airbrush

>>2980641
Not everything. You can see brushstrokes, stupid.

But hey, you tried to shitpost.

How about /ic/ in total manages to complete 5 pieces of artwork that is equal to or better than sakimichan's quality before this discussion goes any further.

>>2980617
Go up to anyone who's made it, see if they give a shit that the pink is bent 2 more degrees that it would in reality.

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>>2980155

>>2980155
>Tell me, anons, your thoughts on her?

Initial thought. I don't know who she is and still don't care after you telling me about her and showing that image. I don't find the stuff shown in here appealing but it looks like fan art of existing characters and there's money in that. I don't aim to do what she does.


In general I can tell you that I don't think being a success is just about art quality. It takes socializing and building up a fan base. There are people who make a lot from popularity without being good artists. It's more of a concept where they sell dreams and a community for their fans to belong in.


Quick note about her skill:

Technically I don't think she's that good. It looks like she used ref's and polish a lot and that's okay but where her imagination takes over she starts to mess up by not knowing how colors interact. Adding way too much desaturation the wrong places and such.

This leads me to think he success is more tied to socializing and fan service than skill, if she's as popular as you say she is.

I was 5 years in art school. Its worth it, but around 95 percent of students/artist are counting on social status. They are not developing skills and they are hanging out with other poor artists.

>>2980928
post work family

>>2980734
I want to hug sakimichan!

>>2980734
Sakimichan a cute.

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>>2980931

>>2980945
Hey, not bad.

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>>2980647

>>2980945
C-can you t-teach me...also do you have a blog?

>>2981035
Could you provide some works? I need to see your skill level.

>>2980155
Interesting thread but id like to know, of you who say shes good but not a master, who would you consider a true master?
you must have some ideas about this

>>2980288
>Look at that fucked up pussy.
Yup - that thing is definitely getting fucked up...

>>2980190
making art for not-initiated in art is like writing books for those which don't know to read

you might be able to put some basic symbols in there which will appeal to the not-knowing, but somebody who actually know's how to read will be bored of such a book

on the other hand, a book with interesting story, good character development and interesting world will look the same as any badly written book to the eye of the illiterate

>>2981113
disregard that
>on the other hand

>>2980280
>everything else I said is correct
the word ''master'' is the most important one in that sentence, remove it and the rest is what everybody has been telling you the whole thread
>She did the fundamentals, the basics.

>>2981113
>making art for not-initiated

Holy shit why are some artists such ridiculously pretentious faggots? Visual art is probably THE single most easily accessible media known to man. Everyone with eyes can tell what is beautiful and appealing and what isn't.

Your allegory is fucking retarded as well. At least you could have made the comparison of people who like pop-culture schlock like Twilight and Harry Potter to Sakimichan fans, but you make up some weird ass thing about illiterate people appreciating books full of symbols? you sound genuinely stupid.

>>2981124
>you can put the sounds I speak on paper with your symbols? get out of here, that's like saying I can smell with my tongue

>>2981113
the "non-initiated" still like better art over subpar art. they just don't know why.
The reason why we have things like varying values and compositional flows is because people subconciously read these things and it looks appealing. Normal people pick up on these things, they just can't tell what it is.
So no, while "putting down basic symbols" might get some likes and people will enjoy it, even normies will consider it subpar to truly good art.

The difference between the "initated" and the "non-initiated" is that 1 side is filled with 90% pretentious shits like yourself who think the old masters were god and unless you're kimg jung gi your art isn't worth a second glance.

>>2980155
She have all the fundamental skills alright, but her arts just feel fake and have no feeling to me, bland imo. Also fanart pandering is a turn off for me.

>>2981113
>making art for not-initiated in art is like writing books for those which don't know to read

That's bullshit. It's like saying people are too dumb to figure out if they should like an image.

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>>2980155
The real question is..does she touch herself while drawing lewd?
Also, does she have a bf, gf...or trapf?

did she learn how to draw dicks properly yet?

>>2980288

It's an edit of her art made by other guy.

>>2980468
me too

>>2981113
You're retarded.

>>2980468
haha she could definetely outsource her work, dont see the problem

>>2981697
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME

>>2981697
kind of looks like a muscle elf

>>2980468
wouldn't be surprised, rendering is by far the least important part of art

>>2980945

>slika_2
are you from croatia/serbia/etc.?

What? If you add rendering then it is not the least important part of a piece. What a stupid thing to write.

It's like a band that normally don't play with a guitarist and then decide to try it out because some good bands have had high success with guitar play. But then they just hire a random shitty one and expect it to improve their music.

Don't like her and her subject matter, but that doesn't matter cause she makes more than some doctors without having to worry about shit like malpractice or the patient dying. Her "making" it was making a shit ton of dough, so good for her.

Don't think she's bad either, but really just not my cup of tea.

>>2980155

How could we know how good she really is, do we have any picture from her which isn't like this? This is obviously her comfort zone since she posts often.

Hard to say how she would fare if she had to paint a Space Marine french kissing a Dragon within a Cathedral. For all I know she may draw way better than this.

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>>2981888

Forgot the pic: do any of you have pics from her which are with a different subject, a real background and composition?

>>2981852
If someone draws good line art, bad rendering will still look good.
Its the underlying skeleton that makes things look good, rendering is just the polish on top.

>>2981893

This is sort of like asking to see dynamic figures in a Bob Ross painting, or wondering if Picasso can render mechs, or saying Craig Mullins doesn't draw enough expressive cartoon characters. Art is an endlessly wide and varied field, and one does not need to be every kind of artist. Demanding such is just seeking validation for whatever you decided art should be, whatever field you're pursuing.

I don't care if the best character designer in the world can't draw houses and buildings. I don't care if the best portrait artist can't animate. Sakimi is good enough to pull in 6 figures a year for whatever it is she does. For a commercial artist, that's the only objective measure that matters.

>>2980734
/ic/ being tsundere for this.

>>2980161
>>2980166
I agree. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it well. I'm not surprised she's laughing all the way to the bank.

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>>2981893
here

>>2982006
>yfw Sakimichan is actually good

>>2981966
no... i highly disagree

>>2980155
if it wasn't for the fat stacks she's pulling in she would be wasting her life

>>2980562
>And that's the difference be Sakimi's success and lack of your own.


only americans and people infected by americanism think being rich=success

>>2982006
>mfw suddenly compelled to study sakimichan's work

She's technically mediocre and as for subject matter she's fucking shit. She's a Kinkade for horny nerds. And fags here are projecting her financial success onto her trashy work.

All these fucktards praising her ebin businneswomyn skills, they're fucking deluded. She put out easily digestible trash, started a patreon and won the lottery. Fucking wow.

>>2982072
>if she wasn't doing what her job entails she would be wasting her life
no shit? Or are you one of those faggots that think artists should be contributing to some higher good.

>>2982006
What a fucking mess, values all over the place, muddy colors, no thought into composition, generic design. gross putrid fantasy.

>>2982158
/ic/ never fails to make me laugh with its memes.

>>2982160
Except all of these apply to this shit art.

>>2981893
they arr rook the same

>>2982158
You can tell when something is an amazing critique when they start calling thigns
>generic
>gross
>no thought


I mean seriously, some of these
>values all over the place
The values are pretty much where they should be, and appeal to the composition
>bad composition
Its nothing amazing but it gets the job done. the eye is lead to the correct place thanks to the values and use of focus. The spines are a little shitty but that's part of the creature design i'm assuming and out of her control.

>>2981966
Eh no. Maybe if you follow a very strict way of doing things will line art be the core of what you do but for somebody more... Versatile, it isn't about lines vs rendering. It's about contrast and silhouettes. Some don't need line work at all and go straight to the rendering and it ends up looking far better.

>>2982182
painting != rendering. if you're going straight into rendering you're dumb.

even excluding linework, the basic values, shapes, and colors will be laid out. the rendering is the indepth polishing you do on top of that.

>>2982175
>le ebin tiny stick man versus le giant dragon fight
How is it not generic?

Values are shit. Spots of light spread out haphazardly. E.g. what the fuck is that spot by the elbow? How does the light from the (non-generic) glowy magic stick reach the outer edge of the forearm or the armpit? Or is that from another light source? There is no indication of where it might be. Why is the blue on the horns so strong while it's relatively weak on the face?.What the fuck is that clusterfuck above the shoulder? Why are there lighter values inbetween the spines while other surfaces facing the same way remains dark? Why is there bright light under the jaw? Or is it on the leg? How would the light from the back reach the inner side of the leg? Is that light coming from somewhere else? Must've come from those dark clouds to the right. What's up with the random bright orange spot above the forehead eye? Why is the wing armpit so fucking bright? And why is the arm armpit so fucking bright? Et cetera and et fucking cetera I could be going on forever. There's light coming from everywhere and nowhere and she hasn't tried to use values to, for example, emphasize the wizard or the shape of the dragon or anything. It's a glowy flashy mess meant to impress shit taste normies such as yourself.

And yeah the composition gets the job done alright. The characters are facing each other. That's literally it.

>>2982190
>painting != rendering. if you're going straight into rendering you're dumb.

Anon. You sound like an amateur. People who have a clear understanding of how color and value work can go straight to modelling. And some people start by blocking out silhouettes.


Besides when working digitally there's no reason to use methods that originate from traditional tools if it means doing double work.


Your idea you have with that one has to start with line work is just stupid. At its core a line is nothing but contrast and there are many approaches to get that.

>>2982198
You're so bad it hurts.
Calm your donut kriegslist and just accept she isn't a bad artist.

>>le ebin tiny stick man versus le giant dragon fight
read the name, or look at the motions. its not a fight, its a summoning.
>generic
not even a real critique, kill yourself. being generic or not doesn't matter in any way unless you're given the job of making up a new concept noone else has used before.
I rarely see summoning pictures done even semi well, this is a pretty good image for that actually.

>giant autism about "values"
there's more to using values and colors than lighting 101. Is it perfect? no, but it was also done fairly quickly.
The varying values are more to give perspective and help block out the shapes than to show perfect lighting. The values do actually emphasize the dragon.

>the composition is that 2 characters are facing each other
you don't have the slightly clue what composition is do you?

regardless I'm seeing 2 sources of light, the top and the wizard stone. The stone shines off and reflects off the horns which I'm assuming is a reflective material while the face is not. The second light source is above its back coming from between the wing and its spine. which is why the values indicate it as such.

yes you could go on forever because you're doing your best to nitpick every small thing in a quickly done drawing.

again, its not perfect, but its done well. You're nitpicking and calling it bad because you feel the need to attempt to feel superior by pointing out minuscule errors that you don't even understand.

>>2982213
The entire thing is made up of nits you insufferable shit. It doesn't become good just because you take the things that I pointed out and say NUH THEY GUD or come up with some far-fetched rationalizations or all these inexpplicable light sources.

Why don't you go increase your monthly donation to get more of that "semi-realistic" NGE fanart porn?

Jesus Christ /ic/ is filled with deviantart kids these days.

>>2982221
yeah calm your shit kid, you're still bad, you'll always be bad.

>>2982221
show us a good example then anon.

>>2982233
good example of what, cunt

>>2982236
lmfao never mind you're clearly a virgin retard. go fuck a hooker until you aren't so cringey and angry, bitchboy

>>2982221
I pointed out why most of your points. Why is there "random light spots" because you don't realize where that upper light is coming from.
Why is some blue more than other" because different material, horns more reflective.

>>2982240
Except that blue light would also have to come from straight above to make any sense.
>inb4 you rationalize this too like the rabid whiteknight you are

>>2982246
>it'd have to come from above as well
???? how so, the only place blue appears from a place the staff doesn't show is the under arm (admittedly wrong but only slightly) and the once area on teh side of its arm. 1 small error.

do us a quick value paintover since you seem to know this better than her.

>>2982006
i don't particularly love this piece, but i'd like to call the attention to the fact that criticizing an illustration for not being precisely like a photograph is pure retardness.

if all a 2d artist can aspire to do is an imperfect imitation of a photography, he'll be better off simply taking photos, or doing unbiased 3d renders.

>>2982247
You literally keep insisting Sakimichan of all people is technically skilled. I'm not gonna put any effort into lecturing a deadbeat like that. And you've already proven you're gonna dismiss valid criticism in defense of your beloved fanart enabler.

I feel like I've wasted enough time here already.

>>2982250
>MUH STYLE

>>2982258
precisely.

sakimichan is all about style. how dense are you to no get that immediately?

>>2982256
>i-its not that I can't.
>s-she's bad i s-swear!
>b-but you won't accept my super duper awesome paintover anyways so I won't

>>2982264
>>2982264
Contributing with another great example of Style
>tfw legitimately disappointed how deluded weebs ITT won't realize just how close Sakimichan and pic related actually are

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>>2982269
Forgot pic

>>2982269
go to bed already anon , you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

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>>2982269
just keep drawing your boxes anon, i'm sure you'll get somewhere eventually.

>>2982265
kek, I remember this scenario from another sakimishit thread a while ago.

Poor guy actually made the mistake of providing a paintover (which improved the painting immensely) but of course he got swamped with whiteknight weebs buttflustered over the lack of sparkles and other arbitrary lightning effects.

>>2982273
S-H-I-T

>>2982277
>which improved
if its the time I remember, he was god fucking awful and it looked like you'd expect some amateur to do it would do it.

Like most the time you see on this board.
but given how you explained it, I'm assuming you meant
>he made it like once of my loomis book models and took away all the appeal of the image while drastically decreasing the technical abilities, but it looked less stylized and more photorealistic so it was BETTER that way

>>2982281
Except he did improve it and you have shit taste enough to consider sparkles an element of great artistry.

>>2982282
mind posting it then? considering your rabid hate of saki I'm assuming you saved it to post at times like this.

>>2982281
Also the reason it looked off to you afterwards is because when you strip sakimichans work of all the flashiness it becomes evident even to plebs what a lazy incompetent "artist" she is.

>>2982283
No I don't have it, why don't you?
If it's so shitty you would've saved it to post at times like this to earn your whiteknight points.

>>2982288
You seem to think I'm defending her because I actually like the art.
I hate the style and I think it looks pretty boring.
But technically wise its still solid, it just doesn't appeal to me.

And that's the difference between you and me, I can recognize when something has appeal and skill even though I don't like it or agree with the artist. You can't. And more likely due to your jealousy feel the need to act like saki is on the same level as >>2982273
The simple fact you think that is enough to regard everything you've said as a joke.

>>2982289
>But technically wise its still solid
NGMI

Seriously, if you think Sakimichan comes anywhere close to "solid" and you're not 14 years old you're clearly not cut out to be an artist.

Unless your goal is being a hack appealing to shit taste kids.
But then you have no authority to determine what makes an artist "solid" in the first place.

>>2982299
And that's why you'll never make it anon.

Maybe when you grow up you'll leave that petty mentality behind, but I doubt it.

>>2982286
show me an example?

>>2982299
its better than most of /ic/.

>>2982300
"Petty mentality" as in "capable of critical evaluation"?

I don't fucking care of how much she makes or how popular she is, what infuriates is weebs coming on this board shilling her a an example of good artistry just because her art panders to their autistic ayy face fetish and contains their favorite animu character surrounded by flashy light.

>>2982307
I have already explained why I won't bother making the effort.

>>2982316
because youre full of shit? cool

>>2982313
Your own jealousy is making you incapable of critical evaluation.

>>2982327
>u-ur jus jealous!
Not an argument.

>>2982331
Post your art then.
If she's not a solid artist, you must at least somewhere near her skill level right?

Or is she just bad, but everyone else in the world is just super bad.
At best you're actually good and you get to watch a bunch of whiteknights get riled up.
At worst, you show off exactly how bad and autistic you are.

>>2982333
>He actually admitted to being a whiteknight
Why would I have to prove anything when you're doing a great job by yourself.

Also
>your skill level determines the validity of your argument.
Classic.

Why don't you show your own art?

>>2982335
confirmed to be ngmi tier lololol

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>>2982346

>>2982331
When someone's saying two plus two is three, there's really no argument that will help you out anon

>>2980468
I wondered that myself; while it can be possible that she just cranks out enough stuff to post all the time, she makes enough to hire her own Andy Warhol clones to come in and paint for her. I would. There has to be someone else making and editing her videos or even managing her social media.

>>2982491
I mean it's common enough with many well-known artists, even some old masters. Even Banksy who doesn't even really crank out that much shit has other people doing it.

She likely does the sketches and planning and has someone render if she does do this.

She also might just have an efficient enough workflow that she can treat it like a normal job with days off rather than being a slave to her tablet (so to speak). I mean there's no point in making money if you never take the time to do anything with it.

It'd explain why sometimes some of her stuff is done better than others in drastic ways as well as why she has a very formulaic type of art that would be easily recognizable as long as a few key elements stay the same.

I don't get that vibe from her though but I also don't know jack shit about her other than I think she gets more shit from /ic/ than she deserves.

I'm not a fan but I do think a lot of it is /ic/ being jelly they can't bring in the big bucks too because they're unwilling to, well, sell out really.

Though in Sakimi's case, she's always been into drawing pretty anime girls right? So for her it probably wasn't that much of a sacrifice to make her shit marketable.

How has Sakimichan not been sued already for making >$500k/year from Disney fanart?

>>2982644
Because most companies like it when artist make fanart of their IPs, it's free marketing for them. They only crack down on artists if they try to monetize the IP in a directly competing manner to the IP owner, which Sakimichan doesn't do.

>>2982073
Who said anything about money? Sakimi already achieved her goal of drawing beautiful fan art for her fans, the one thing she said she wanted to do. Just because she isn't aiming to be one of the great master doesn't mean she hasn't succeed.

>>2982652
Bitch is pushing it also, i read that she started a war to stop her content from being around on the internet except her patreon jew pot, won't that get her sued because she is directly going legal on other sites to remove files and links to content she made but with the depiction of another company's IP?
Also this >>2980734 no amount of money can fix that man jaw

>>2982073
Not really. If she say inherited her money, she wouldn't be called successful. However, being a self-made millionaire in your mid 20s, self-employed answering to no one, with hundreds of thousands of people who keep coming back to the product you deliver IS being successful by any definition of the word.

>>2981697
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN!

>>2982686
>self-made millionaire

I just googled her images. Don't get me wrong, I can see that they have something pretty about them but how the f... If that's true. It's just fan art. It looks similar to a lot of other fan art I've seen. It's not like she is actually creating something unique.

I refuse to believe that would be an art thing or I'm completely out of touch and have been too naive. Must be a social media thing.

>>2982732
Its art of loved characters drawn in a very appealing way to the largest audience. She also markets her success to other artists by disclosing tutorials and guides behind a paywall to get them coming back as well.

She is good enough to draw people in, and the rest is all good marketing skills.

>>2982686
she has money and makes trash for retards

kill yourself burgerclap

>>2982732
>It looks similar to a lot of other fan art I've seen.
Not exactly. The thing about Sakimi is that she also knows when to strike. Her art appeals to nearly every fanbase

About a month ago I was googling some old Cartoon Network shows, Johnny Bravo, Scooby Doo. Her art was at the top of image results, didn't even need to look for the watermark because I knew it's her shit. Try to search for any popular anime/cartoon/video game/whatever and it'll be the same. Her art is always there.

>>2982740
No, she doesn't "have" money, she MADE that money. All by herself. That is called having success in your career. Not sure why you think I'm american either. You sound somewhat retarded if I'm totally honest. Trying to redefine the word "success" because you can't accept the fact that an artist you don't like is objectively immensely successful career wise is just beyond pathetic.

>>2982744
>muh career
this is /ic/, not /biz/, I don't give a shit about how much she earns when her art is so aggressively mediocre

>>2982748
What do you consider successful?
She has money, she drawing the things she wants to draw, she's pretty much famous.

What is it she's missing that you think all these other great artists have.

hint, your opinions about how bad her art is irrelevant considering its better than most the stuff out there.

>>2982749
>What do you consider successful?
MAKE
GOOD
ART
>She has money
irrelevant
>, she drawing the things she wants to draw
then she's not just bad but fundamentally crippled
>, she's pretty much famous.
dayfly
>hint, your opinions about how bad her art is irrelevant considering its better than most the stuff out there.
wow it's better than all the other failures

and it's not even good for fanart, far less technically skilled tumblr nobodies and 4chan drawfags create much better fanart than her

fanart needs to contribute something beyond the original product and seen-one-seen-em-all shiny pinups do not contribute anything

>>2982743
If it is about google ranking then that sounds like it could be a positive feedback loop where exposure leads to even more views because of rankings. At that point you are just competing with the first page of return search results.

Just like you, people always remember the first few relevant results on a google search.

>>2982757
okay, I see. so she's not successful because you don't like her art.
good to know being successful is based on the subjective opinion of some butthurt anon.

>>2982762
good to know you trash your opinions before the almighty dollar

>>2982765
"Good" is highly subjective.
The majority of people like her art, which is why she's so popular and makes so much money. Because people like her art, therefore its good.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/success
1. the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors; the accomplishment of one's goals.
2. the attainment of wealth, position, honors, or the like.

Judging by the actual definition of the word success, she is a successful artist.

>>2982774
>"Good" is highly subjective.The majority of people like her art, which is why she's so popular and makes so much money. Because people like her art, therefore its good.
ah yes appeal to bodycount

your way of thinking is literally the death of civilization
i hope you'll have to face a death squad in the near future

>>2982778
When speaking of subjectives, appeal to bodycount is the proper way to go. She is an entertainer, being able to appeal to the largest amount of people is a good thing and is what she should be doing.
Note, you didn't say technically accomplished or skilled, you said "good", a highly subjective term. And as such, you're measuring success based on your person criteria which is whether YOU like her art, not whether her art accomplishes what she wants it to do, not whether her target audience enjoys it, just what YOU think of it.

Please keep yourself contained to /pol/ or whatever shithole you came out of, you'll grow up soon.

>>2982791
I'm not even the guy you replying to because fuck this thread, it should be removed and reported already

But anyways, if you don't think culture should be preserved and not dumbed down to the lowest common factor you're a stupid brainlet

And yes, your way of thinking killed culture, killed morals, killed tradition and killed everything our ancestors build for us just because you wanna a quick pleasure for your monkey brain who since childhood was trained to look our for fast ways of dopamine
So yea, calling people who have standards /pol/acks or whatever you want doesn't change the fact you are a stupid brainlet pleblet who should do a barrel roll on that bridge asap

Whats the next thing you gonna say to me? Justin Bieber, Nicky Minaj, 50th shades of grey, K-Pop and all that cultural cancer is acceptable and good because its mainstream?

Get cancer

>>2982798
>I'm not even the guy
is always the same guy
>>2982277
>guy provided a paintover which improved the painting immensely
is always the same guy

anyway, i agree that this thread should be deleted. when discussion comes to the dictionary field ("success", "master", "skill") you know is pure shitposting.

>>2982798
>not that guy
yes you are, because noone is autistic enough to confuse success as a commercial artist with preserving culture.
>procedes to tell me to die again
you're not good at pretending to be new people.

>>2982819
commercial art isn't art

>>2982822
>books wrote to sell are not art

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>>2980161
What about that time she drew an upside down dick?

She is good, ages ago she was good but even a person that's good at something can draw shitty stuff.

I think because she has such a huge following nowadays in many pieces she just stopped trying altogether.

She's also incredibly retarded if she is trying to make legal actions against sites which hold their content because it's against patron guidelines to use it as a selling platform and even more it's strictly forbidden to use company's IPs on the rewards. The single reason why she hasn't been shut down yet is because of many people's good will, let's see for how long this lasts if she becomes a cunt.

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>>2982822
>anything I don't like can't be considered art

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>>2980155
don`t be jelly guys
you can also make it if you try hard enough! ^~^

>>2982968
>any kind of criticism even constructive criticism is jealousy

>>2983040
>This thread
>Constructive
Stop with the bullshit anon, this is a thinly veiled hate thread and you know it

>>2983078
>every time someone says something negative it's hate so let's not even bother reading the thread.

>>2983096
>he thinks any of the criticism stated in this thread is actually helpful to anyone

>>2982757
suc·cess
səkˈses/Submit
noun
the accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
"the president had some success in restoring confidence"
synonyms: favorable outcome, successfulness, successful result, triumph; Hollywood ending
"the success of the scheme"
the attainment of popularity or profit.
"the success of his play"
synonyms: prosperity, affluence, wealth, riches, opulence
"the trappings of success"
a person or thing that achieves desired aims or attains prosperity.


shes successful. youre a jelly fag because you dont have mass appeal

>>2983078
its not even thinly veiled its blatant and obvious.

>>2982822
> If it makes money then it's not art

NOT GONNA MAKE IT
G
M
I

>>2982757
Good post.

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>>2980184
Here's one by her that hasn't been edited, The one from this post apparently has been

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>>2980184
Try harder to find originals my man

>>2980155
Good technique but
>no expression
>there's no story
>No emotion.

>>2983996
>>2983997

>>2980226

>>2983996
>>2983997
Just noticed the sameface between these two pieces lmao

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>>2982819
>Everyone who disagrees with my shit tier opinion and asks for me to kill myself must be samefagging

Sure

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>>2982309
Not this meme again. Better than most of /ic/ is saying like you're better than a bunch of autistic teenagers, doesn't really mean much lol

>>2984538
is like saying*

>>2984269
>back and forth autism argument for hours
>suddenly a "new guy" jumps in and the "old guy" disappears
>new guy sounds just as retarded as the first guy
I'm sure it was 2 people.

>>2980155
>Is she really that good
There really isn't such a thing as being "that good". You're good enough and then you can start making money, from then onwards it's all business.

>>2984077
You're embarassing yourself.

She's a Thomas Kinkade for dweebs.

>>2984695
I want wannabe patreon whores to go away.

This board is for people who want to improve their artwork. Not disgusting pieces of shit like you.

>>2982732
For one, she's been big on DA before Patreon ever existed. One advantage was that large following she had accumulated over many years of consistently posting work. Why do people act like she jumped into Patreon as a total unknown?

>>2985268
Because /ic/ can't wrap their head around the fact that people like fanart and that sakimichan appeals to a wide variety of viewers, and thus, she found success YES success by definition, because she can market her shit, posts consistently, and always has something new but recognizable as her own.

Is she a perfect artist? Fuck no. But she IS successful, like it or not, and /ic/ cannot STAND the fact that they will probably never pull in 6K+ like she does.

You can either suck it up and do what she's doing if the money is what you want, or be more patient and work on your art more and bitch less until you find your own version of success.

But god i am so sick of seeing a sakimi thread up every god damn time one falls off. Either admit you're jealous as fuck it's not you gaining notoriety despite the fact you probably don't pump out as much work as she does, or suck it up, shut up, and work your ass off.


I hate sakimichan. I think her art gets boring quick and i like literally one piece of hers (one where Ariel finds headphones, i think the idea is cute even if it's simple as fuck and think she rendered the expression well since it's an actual expression)

but aside from that I don't look at her work, because i don't need to. I see what she did to get where she is so i'm striving to copy her work ethic (drawing daily for hours, and trying to get to a point where i can confidently post once a day) and learn from her business model so when my art gets to the level I want it to be to sell at, or i start gaining fans, I can also find success doing what I enjoy doing.


Realism isn't the end all be all to art, and /ic/ needs to stop acting like it because it's holding all of the ones who bitch daily back.

>>2985277
>Because /ic/ can't wrap their head around the fact that people like fanart and that sakimichan appeals to a wide variety of viewers, and thus, she found success YES success by definition, because she can market her shit, posts consistently, and always has something new but recognizable as her own.
Fucking retard.

No one ITT has ever said she isn't popular, financially successful, productive, or whatever-the-fuck.

All people has been saying throughout the entire thread and many before is that her art is CHEAP FUCKING TRASH. Which it is.

However tasteless shits like you keep opposing this fact because you're too incompetent yourself to see how shit her art is and because you're to fucking diamond hard over her being a MAXIMUM sellout and le ebin business entrepreneur geniouse

IT'S THE QUALITY OF HER ART PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN PICKING ON

Get it into your dense fucking skull instead of projecting your own obsessions and going on about how everyone are jelly(TM) of her patreon bucks when they criticize her shit art.

>>2985297
Retard, people in this very thread have pissed and moaned about every point I made.

You also didn't read my whole post where I mentioned my thoughts on her art skills and my opinion of her kind of art so i'm not going to reply to anything else because you're literally raging with autism lmfao.

>>2985324
Except no one has "pissed and moaned" about any of that.

All I see is delusional fucks like you who make it out to be about popularity and money and shit while in reality people are just calling her out on her shit art.

PROJECTING.

>>2985337
Not him, read the thread anon, then kill yourself.

>>2985297
>Stop liking what I don't like

>>2980989
reminds me of Karl Kopinski, very nice

>>2980989
>doesn't know the post ur work meme
>doesn't know about the merc.wip reply meme
lurk more faggot

>>2981481
She's not very attractive I don't know why you would ask this question.

>>2985277
>I hate sakimichan

No you don't. You admire her work ethic and acumen even if you don't admire the quality of her work.

>Realism isn't the end all be all to art

It's a good place to start. Although you get degenerates like kr0n that throw away years of professional education in favour of drawing big eyes and use pastel colors everywhere.

/ic/ quit being a bunch of whiny faggots and get back to work.

>>2981481
God damn this gif reminds me of the thread where you cross dress for superior gains.

>>2980155
That's skilled.

very same face but her coloring is pretty decent. honestly, I would prefer her to just to be a pro colorist. no shame in that.

also probably a permavirgin since she doesn't know how dicks work

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Sakimichan drew this when she was 15.

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>>2986553
lol

>>2986553
>Rape
So she is a mentally ill and degenerate?
Shocking

>>2986553

it's actually really endearing that she draws rape pron. I bet she gets a fuckton of SJW hate-mail. It's probably also a non-trivial part of why she's rich. Tons of girls get off on very politically incorrect porn.

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>>2986569
>>2986572
>rape
she still does it, 10 years later. only in yaoi though

>>2986271
>work ethic
>sakimichan
kek

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>>2986572
>rape porn
>endearing
>mfw

>>2986580
wtf

>>2980155
is that a ross tran or a loish i can't tell

>>2980155
what champion is that

>>2980155
Can't be mad at her

Almost a decade ago, I got the idea that I wanted to become an illustrator, and it was basically because of her stuff.

Still can see the charm, but shit was MAGICAL back then.

>>2987570
Did you make it? What happened?

When did she hide her income?

Part of what I think makes her art so alluring to people is that her "soul" shines through her art. It's hard to explain, but I think a lot of popular and successful artists manage to have some type of aura surrounding their art, despite how skilled they are, or what their subject matter is.

Its kind of like the average girl that just keeps attracting all the guys. They just give off something that makes people want them.

Of course this is subjective, but I feel like I can notice this "soul" in a lot of popular manga artist.

>>2987643
ahaha... I think it's time I quit /ic/. It's like reading youTube comments.

>>2987643
its called gesture, just watch some vilppu you faggot.

>>2987643
>can FEEL their AURA
lmao thanks for the keks

>>2980734
>an artist draws faces similar to their own
>cute faces compared to sakimi's plain, ugly face

Lel

>>2985159
Nobody will care about your artwork if it isn't either economically successful or enfranchising. And neither is achieved through muh loomis.

Anyone who wants to matter, stop wasting your time and start learning business of storytelling.

>>2987552
You really will never make it.

Realismfags should just buy a fucking camera already. But then it would be obvious what they lacked was literally everything else and they were just using the difficulties of mastering anatomy as an excuse for their failure.

>>2981697
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN

>>2987752
Fucking gross.

>>2987769
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN!

>>2981697
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN!

>>2987752
>Nobody will care about your artwork if it isn't either economically successful or enfranchising. And neither is achieved through muh loomis.

Andrew Loomis devotee Alex Ross is rich as fuck you retarded idiot lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BIJzDO4fxM

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I used to think she was ok but then I discovered some 16 year olds and young artists who all paint like her.
When I checked her patreon I realized she wasn't making money off her tutorials it was off her porn. I think if she wasn't riding popular characters she wouldn't be that popular, in perspective she isn't that good.

Recently discovered she had been advertising on porn sites too which explains where the patrons came from, this thread could really just be another attempt for her to advertise more porn for patrons. Honestly a complete turn off.

>>2986691

rape porn is hot and rape jokes are funny. I didn't make the world.

>>2980184
She's surprisingly terrible when doing NSFW content.

>>2989403
Surprising? She's been drawing same face same pose overly shiney characters for years. How isn't it obvious she has trouble doing anythign else?

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If we're going to talk about artists that have an ungodly number of followers, then I prefer the work of Yuumei. At least her work tends to have a narrative.

>>2989360
Holdup she really advertising on porn sites?

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>>2991235
Something about her works that just completely turn me off, still can't put my finger on it to this day, don't know why

>>2991251
I too dislike when girls are drawn with such unhealthy skin tones, dirty-looking hair, ugly feet and hands, and snake-ish faces.

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>>2991235
Except she takes her narratives from other artists.

I've been struggling with this for awhile. What do you guys think? The saying goes that Great Artists Steal. Is it admirable to take a lesser artist's concept and make it better and popularize it without giving credit? Is that genius? Is that theft or simply inspiration? When I first saw that picture of hers, I thought it was a really great idea and that she must be really smart and creative to come up with it. But then I realize it was taken from somewhere else, and just made more appealing to the eye. I guess it's like Tesla and Edison, may the most savvy developers win.

I don't know what to think anymore.

>>2991329
And Sakimichan steals styles. All these artists are copycats so let's stop pretending one is holier than thou compared to the other.

>>2991346
I'm not comparing her to sakimichan. I don't care about sakimichan, I can't differentiate her style from about 50 other "attractive digitally painting female" styles I've seen all my life.

I don't think anyone looks at sakimichan and thinks her style is original, just done well, however you define well enough to appeal.

I'm talking about when gets praised for an original concept, what is supposed to be self expression, and think the artist came up with it, when it was actually taken from another contemporary artist.

can someone make one for yuumei because i thought we were talking about sakimichan in here

>>2991329

If you steal the idea but vastly improve on it, that would be less douchey

>>2991244
more like hentai board shares her patreon fan art which made her go mad because less shekels so she talked to the faggots who run 420chan and the hentai board to advertise her banner there, site has stupid rule, if you give them shekels they will delete every single stuff that has your name on it from their site.

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>>2991329

>>2991400
I'm not anti sakimichan but when people start advertising art hentai, now we know this patreon thing is getting worse.
By the by that board knows who their sponsors are so if she just wanted removal there is no need for her to put a banner to her patreon.
It's an ad for her patreon let's be simple and up front about it.
There are artists getting really popular and they are about to overtake her in patreon numbers so she is doing what she can to stay ahead.
I think once they catch up she will probably make up an excuse to bow out of her patreon, otherwise it will look really bad to be overtaken since she was number one in the numbers for so long.

Hold the thread for a sec.

What's wrong with doing hentai art for money?

>>2991400
>site has stupid rule, if you give them shekels they will delete every single stuff that has your name on it from their site.

That's called blackmail.

>>2991568
where is the proof about them blackmailing anyone?
anyone can get their work remove just send the admin a mail.
just because the artist advertises there doesn't make them anymore special that someone who doesnt.

a take down notice is a threat under u.s law that's different than just asking for it to be removed as long as they aren't asking for removal of one image at a time. the site is canadian it doesn't need to respond to dmca notices.

just because some artist decided to buy an ad doesn't mean admins have to all of a sudden jump to remove every single image someone posts up of theirs. you've obviously never run a site before. stop throwing them under the bus with rumours.

>>2991563
not a damn thing, but some people think of it as ....degeneracy......

>>2991609
>where's the proof

It's a proof in itself if true. Site owners are actually responsible for the content hosted on their site even if they don't want to be. Saying you will only do a simple search to remove other people's work that you are profiting from if you get paid is blackmail.

>just because some artist decided to buy an ad doesn't mean admins have to all of a sudden jump to remove every single image someone posts up of theirs. you've obviously never run a site before. stop throwing them under the bus with rumours.

Neither have you. It's simple to do a search on artist categories and then make it an offense to fake the artist name of content you upload. It only takes a simple script that is easy to copy and insert.

They don't do it because they want the traffic, as simple as that.

>>2991518
She will probably be forced to return to her shameful, mundane, previous work as a BioWare concept artist, or something like that.

Or she might decide to live from her savings from being 10 years at the top

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>>2991329

Most of the things we do are taken from 1, 2 or 50 things that we then rearrange in a unique or not-so-unique pattern. Problem is that once someone introduces something catchy, it becomes fashion and later cliche. Red noses and girls with horns everwhere. Eww.

Destinyblue tends to draw mostly herself/her mental state but at least she avoids the lifeless kawai grrl syndrome. It gets boring rather fast anyway.
Something with Yuumei never clicked with me, can't explain why but it feels forced...

>>2991329
Well, be that as it may, the end result is arguably more interesting to look at. I'm not really a fan of Yuumei's, although I used to try to paint like her back when I was a shitty dA "anime" artist. So there's a bit of nostalgia.

Sakimichan on the other hand is like, a machine that just pumps out thoughtless images on a regular basis that all have no real meaning or narrative, or experimentation. What you see in the first second is what there is.

But no, I'm not trying to say that Yuumei objectively is better. I just prefer her.

Close this thread. No one cares about either artist they are already established and tired. Move on alredy.

>>2981697
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN

>>2991329
> The saying goes that Great Artists Steal

That's supposed to be mean that they what they "stole" from other artists is completely unnoticable, and that's because they don't just stole something obvious like retards, but learn from others to make their own style. I don't know this artist but here it's obvious as hell the theme was stolen.

>>2991235
I love her painting style

Making a big problem out of nothing because the pics by yuumei and destiny look nothing alike and this thread has been off topic for a long time now.
A girl with an umbrella big deal. Google search 'girl with umbrella'. How unique.
If you want to talk about ripoffs of destiny look up numynumy or whatever her name is, if that isn't a ripoff I don't know what is.

>>2981697
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN YOU FUGLY FUCK

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I wonder how much sakimichan gets in total.
because you have to consider that she has a gumroad with every work she's ever done priced twice as much, and it's just there for anyone to buy at any time. I reckon she probably makes at least $10k monthly on gumroad alone. Also..

>her youtube channel with revenue with 70k subscribers. according to social blade
>her storenvy. I think she prints out her own posters at home, and then sells each at $20.
>conventions. She does around 6 per year and always gets the dealer's booth with over 60 designs, again sells them each at $20. considering how popular she is, I wouldn't doubt she has sold out completely at least once. 60 designs x let's say around 10 multiples of each poster x $20 each = $12,000.
>She is still open for freelance and updates her artstation. the most recent job i think she had was for a mobile game, pic related.

I wouldn't be surprised if on a good month she can get over $100,000.

>>2992459
I could literally live for 15 years on $100k and I live in a first world country...

>>2992459
Really makes you think, based on what i saw from conventions and die hard supporters who give her money for prints / tuts / patreon and gumroad, most of them are girls age 14-18, 3rd world weebs and ching chongs ping pongs, competent artists clearly aren't her market since the people that popped out in the last 2 years are clones of her style that try to copy her in the hopes of them also making 10k+ shabbos shekels.
There are some hints here and there that Zeronis was probably mad on her at some point after Kikekimichan started doing porn and gain a lot of money fast, he tried to to the same and Riot cucked him by telling him to either stop or get the boot.

>>2992486
I guess you could say they zero'd his profit, haha!

Her dicks and pussies are terrible. Reminds me of Zeronis who can't draw a dick or a pussy to save their life.

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>>2992555
i think they're fine

>>2991694
I think she should choose option 2 when they outgrow her, because option 1 is mundane. Most of her concept art was probably a bunch of props and guns. That's the job you'd get straight out of college and most likely the situation she was in. She'd be churning that crap out for at least another 5 years before they let her touch anything worthwhile. Lucky she has another source of income now.

>>2992555
who is your top3 at genital drawing?

>>2991694
>>2992565
I see no end in sight as far as her staying on top. Her nudes and hentai have only made her more popular, and she's been doing it for nearly 3 years now. That, and the fact that she's so insanely popular. She went from 9mil views to 33mil views in just 2 years on DA thanks to the attention on her patreon. The second most popular is artgerm, and he only has 22mil.

>>2992486
It's been a while since I looked at her art but this isn't the style I remember. Looking through the gallery I never noticed but it looks like she changes her style a lot, or is adopting other artist's styles.
May 2016 to May 2017 her art hasn't improved the style just changed. She has a signature squashed face in most of her art but if you cover the heads it all looks like a different artist painted them.

I don't think other artists are copying her I think she's copying other artists. That's a pretty good strategy if that's what she's doing.
If the artists she's copying from are becoming popular but not famous yet, their art will always remind people of her instead of the other way around.

>>2992568
You should go to hentai foundry not deviant art for that. I don't know why you hang around that site trying to find quality nude artists.

>>2980563
Your analogies are fucking stupid, in what way is sakimichan's art using a deus ex Machina in an illustration standpoint? That doesn't even make sense.

Saying you study the fundimentals gives you and everyone else on this board zero credibility to even say what's wrong with her art.

The only real thing I have to go on is her success over the general quality that gets pumped out of this board, really doesn't stack in your favor.

>>2992601
>Saying you study the fundimentals gives you and everyone else on this board zero credibility to even say what's wrong with her art.

What? Get a handle already. We all know you're the same person who's been defending her. Why did you even bother making this thread if you don't want a negative opinion about her? It's been over a decade, I think better artists have just emerged and she's a little played out.

>>2992582
>but if you cover the heads it all looks like a different artist painted them.
not it doesn't. especially because she has always used the same set of brushes, the same expressions, and the same cheap light tricks. she talks a lot about experimenting and trying out new things in her practice pieces, that's why her style shifts. it doesn't mean she copies other artists. imo her style has stayed consistent and easily recognizable since about 2011. before that she was more into anime style.

>>2992632
I don't look at her art often enough to know what she talks about, I'm just telling you what someone who doesn't look at it often sees with an unbiased opinion, to me it looks like completely different styles.

Experimentation is random, style change is consistent. Copying might not be the best word but there is obviously some very heavy influence she is taking from the other artists at the top of the What's Hot page.Anyone can see that.

(it was not a fanart)

>>2992666
>Copying might not be the best word

It’s a good word because artists are doing it, shamelessly.

>>2983428
It is, if you paid attention at all to those instead of pretending the whole thread is a jelly circlejerk to her. Which brings the question of why would anyone create a thread like this and go on ignoring the actual replies while focusing on the insulting ones.

Someone give me a subject/theme/idea that hasn't been done and I will create a Sakimichan image.

>>2992481
>live for 15 years on $100k
>in a first world country
how? would you be living on top ramen and arizonas?

What's this all of a sudden? I haven't seen a Saki thread in a long time.

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>>2993168
Quetzalcoatl (Lucoa) from Dragon Maid. Has a ton of bright colors (hair n eyes) so it would go well in her "style". Extra points if topless or the bikini.

>>2993389
do it!!!!!

>>2992568
Don't have a top 3 or anything but Incase, Calm and Erotibot draw nice genitals. Even Doxy. Think is I feel like Sakimi draws dicks and pussies very dull and plain.

I gotta say, she's an inspiration. Along with RossDraws.
But the hardest part for me is to wrap my head around this normie shit and make everything so appealing / cheesy. It doesn't reflect who I am in the inside so, if I try to do it it seems forced and fake. But you gotta do what you gotta do cus it's what people like.

>>2993445
Good point. Something people miss. Part of developing an artistic style is letting your aura shine through, you can change your brushes, colors, tools but when you make it, something about it feels like you no matter what. Unless she's been fake for years I think everything she makes always has her own aura or feeling that makes it hers, it so happens hers appeals to a lot of people. There's very few artists who have that it factor spark.

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>>2991235
>>2991235
made attached pic because I used to equally admire Shilin and Yuumei, but over the years have begun to appreciate Shilin's art more. It was only after making this that I realised just how much was missing.

I guess I'd love Yuumei's art a lot more if it felt a bit less stiff and dead (both colour and gesture wise), like still porcelain or sth

Beyond actual content (which is fantastic - detail, backgrounds, idea is cool too), her actual style is a little lackluster.
I feel like artists tend to exaggerate certain points etc as part of their style, but I don't see this as much with Yuumei, almost like she's weighed down by technicalities..?

Possibly because of 3d model use, sculpturing background and painting colour over greyscale or something?

>>2993445
Ross Draws is cool but his art's so rough sometimes it's hard to follow what I'm supposed to do.
Pretty faces with a splash of paint around it that may or may not look like a torso

>>2993468
wow, yuumei has really stagnated in the past few years

Yuumei is just as rich as sakimichan or richer, I think she has better things to worry about.

>>2993472
In a way its very similar to what some concept artists do. The further away from the face and torso the less definition you usually see. Brush strokes are wider and longer and there is little attention to detail. They play around with color and make everything look "pretty" and that's why people like it so much.

>>2993468
yeah man shilin was my first inspiration, so much nostalgia ahah. i've come to like her work again recently because she really has been pushing herself and making so much progress - her colours used to be so bland but now she's hit mastery. great at detailing too.

yuumei started off as a high level but hasn't improved at all over the past few years, which is pretty disappointing.

>>2993604
Agree with this so much, I used to think there was something wrong with Shilin's saturation, but unlike a lot of people her level, she's continued to actually go out of her way to improve.
Also venturing beyond lineart to create lineart-less paintings and experimenting with different lighting. I admire that a lot and the results are clear.

Yuumei on the other hand, has stuck to her comfort zone so much, and doesn't seem to put the same level of effort or care with each stroke.

Why do the characters in her porn feel so dull and dead? It's supposed to be "beautifullydrawn porn" but when I look at it I feel nothing and it's really annoying. I can't pinpoint the exact reason.

>>2993724

I, too, admire Shilin over Yuumei. Her concepts come across as more original, she's put a lot in understanding fundamentals like anatomy even though her anatomy was pretty awful a few years back. She doesn't rely on 3D which is very admirable for how much architecture is in her work.

I feel like Yuumei is using her hand injury as an excuse to not study the fundamentals. I think her images come off as stiff because many of them are traced from photographs. She's trying to create images that are beyond her actual skill level and that's what has driven her to damage her body. These hand injuries aren't caused by making a certain number of hand movements, they're caused by stress and strain and perfectionism and frustration. I can go a full day drawing with no pain if I'm not forcing myself, but if I woke up and decided to draw what I don't understand, my hand begins to hurt about five minutes in.

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>>2993389
This is about 30 minutes in and I'm already brain-dead. Should I continue?

>>2994201
Sure why not. You did nail the Sakimichan-face.

>>2994201
looking great so far, but sakimi's charm is basically in the rendering, so there's still an uphill battle for you.

>>2994507
This.
I've seen a lot of clones over the years but they don't have that charm. But I remember saw an artist on devart not too long ago with a style that looks damn near identical almost in the rendering too

>>2994201
Sell Sakimistuff for 1/10th of the value with kinker shit and you'll be making more money than her.

>>2994201
>>2994870
Do it, anon. You have the skills.

>>2994201
hope you'll post the final work in a new thread when finished.

stylization thread would be appropriate

>>2994870
how much does she sell for now

>>2994952
$5 a print