/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

Any advise on constructing the body leaning forwards or back?

Even when I make a conscious effort to try and tilt the ribcage it always ends out upright and the whole body stiff.

>>2974341
Is Dodson's exercises good? I'm stuck in the window plane exercise in the right side of the brain.

I've finally reached a point where I'm actually somewhat happy with my linework and ability to draw and shade basic forms. What now? Grinding still lifes? Gestures? Studies?

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how can i learn to digitally paint like this?

>>2974368
understanding how light works

>>2974369
How do i make it look like brush strokes?
like how do i get that paint feel
sorry if im not making sense
maybe im looking for brushes instead?

>>2974371
Take time to figure out your programs brush engine.

>>2974371
There's a couple different ways. You do need to use different types of brushes to get more painterly strokes though, a hard round wont get you that kind of texture. The easiest way I've found is just blocking everything in normally and then using the mixer brush tool with a bristle brush to blend everything. Here's a tutorial that goes over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfcdH062V_8

>>2974380
Take it again.

how in the fucking balls does one do complicated hair styles from imagination? im assuming this is a situation where its just best to completely or at least heavily rely on references?

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I don't know which kind of head use in this draw. also looking for crit

>>2974384
Just draw lines nigga

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how is this guy?

>>2974384
This is why you gotta draw a lot to get good at it, you have to build a massive mental library

>>2974403
you made him a woman

>>2974410
:^)

>>2974410
well is he a loomisly correct woman

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stop drawing cis gendered white people

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>>2974426
sorry they are the default and im still learning

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Here's a new face. No reference. Please critique.

>>2974426
No

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Crit. I know the hands are a wreck.

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First attempt at doing anything more complex than a cube. Obviously got the angles on the cutting board completely wrong once I put it side by side with the reference. Texture is hard, too...

>>2974454

None of these objecs look like they're sitting on the cutting board.

The neat idea behind cubes are so that before you draw bread, pears, or apples, you draw the 'envelope' of those objects, which are simple geometrical shapes (cubes, spheres, tubes) so that you understand how those object sit on the cutting board in (illusory) 3D.

As for how the drawing is now, the objects look like propped up cardboard cut outs.

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>/ic/ yells at me for not practicing drawing enough
>start practicing drawing and /ic/ ignores me

>>2974463
That means you're doing the right thing.

>>2974463
youre not confusing a vocal minority with an entire group, right?

>>2974463
thats what you want to happen. it means you are doing it right, move into draw thread. they will start talking shit again.

>>2974463
Draw more frogs

>>2974463
same. If I do decent then I get ignored or I get short 1 sentence crits that wont help me. Then if I mess up spectacularly and look for help people just make fun of me and no one helps. These threads seem super helpful until you start actually posting in them.

>>2974445
Resize that image first, pal.

>>2974459
Yeah, it's funny how just getting the starting angles wrong fucks up the perspective of everything. Guess I'll have to spend more time planning before jumping in to painting the shapes.

Trying to eyeball angles is deceptively hard until it reaches a point where the fuck ups become obvious. Like you said, maybe boxing things out at the start will make the mistakes more obvious before I'm already committed.

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when I scan my artwork in, it comes out really blotchy. Pic related. I ink the pencil art with a fine tipped micron ink pen and then erase the pencil strokes. What can I do to fix this? I know ideally I should get a tablet and redraw all of my lines, but I don't have one or the time to learn how to use it just yet.

How do I get these lines looking solid and decent?

>>2974491
How much does a scanner costs?

>>2974499
It was $50 like 4-5 years ago, open box at staples (HP Officejet 4500)

>>2974403
looks like symbol drawing

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hows this

>>2974491
How much solid do you want? Still keeping the texture or just smooth looking black lines?

>>2974525
Dont really want any of the scratchy texture, just want solid smooth black lines, kind of like for a flat "toon" look

why doesn't my painted portrait look anything like the sketch

>>2974531
How is this? You can combine blur and fine threshold to create smooth lines, or just dust and scratches filter from photoshop.
https://my.mixtape.moe/gxbqqv.png
https://my.mixtape.moe/uexfny.png
https://my.mixtape.moe/olcxby.png

>>2974524
Do you have Parkinsons?

>>2974540
Is there a way to achieve something that's between the second and third picture? Second has abit more sharpness and detail but also alot of the waveyness left over, but the last one is smoother but loses alot of the slightly sharp detail.

Either one look way way better than what I had. Thank you

>>2974516
he's been told that his whole life. born from it. molded by it

>>2974540
can you tell me exactly what you tweaked in PS to produce pictures 2 and 3 respectively?

>>2974547
>Parkinsons
if i say yes will my art be better

>>2974550
how would you even know that. are you my mom
>>2974516
stop with your memery

>>2974549
>>2974553
2nd pic made from the 1st ones. Apply fine threshold and make sure its dont lose many of important detail.

3rd one made by gaussian blur following by fine threshold.

>>2974571
thank you anon, you don't know how well you've helped me

I actually have about three questions.
I've read some books on perspective and went through a video course on it, but I'm still struggling.

Does anyone have any resources on drawing interior design and drawing characters in said interior design with correct proportions. It's either my characters are too large or my dooways are too small.

I've never fully understood how to use VPs to create an entire perspective I always end up making things look small.

>>2974624
Give the first lesson of Eric Olson's video course a shot. His very first lesson does a great job explaining how and why stuff works in perspective and puts a big focus on how to reference sizes. This should clear up quite a bit for you if that's your only problem with perspective.
The other lessons touch up on this every now and then and apply it in more advanced situations, so you may want to skim through those too.

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>>2974631

I've actually gone through that course a bit, and it did help with how to place something and reference it along other established heights, but I don't know I feel stupid even after all that studying I still don't think I can apply it well enough to be in my images.

I also wanted to know how to freehand perspective but I suppose that comes with a greater grasp of perspective itself. And if I remember correctly I don't think his lesson gave much in the way of interiors

How do I stop procrastinating?

>>2974638
find something cool that you want to draw
draw it
figure out why it sucks and why its nothing like the pic
fix it until you learn something
????
profit

>>2974562
>stop with your memery
it looks stiff and emotionless
the philtrum isnt connected to the nose
the eyebrows are high but there is no eyelid

>>2974638
Why aren't you drawing something right now?

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>>2974641
> figure out why it sucks and why its nothing like the pic
>> tfw you only draw what you imagine

>>2974644
fuck youre right again.
>it looks stiff and emotionless
but isnt this just normal stage for a beginner i mean its just a straight face. are you supposed to learn normal faces before you learn expressive faces?

>tfw you like drawing loomis potato men
>looking at them makes you happy

>>2974704
>like drawing
ngmi

>>2974707
should i just quit now?

>>2974709
if you've ever once unironically enjoyed something then you should just kys right now.

>>2974686
loosen up a bit
>>2974700
same goes for you

>>2974686
Emotionless faces aren't normal faces....
having a neutral face is still a relaxed state of expression.
that face is neither relaxed or normal.

You should be learning what ever you want to draw specfically

I started drawing with the shoulder and not the wrist, I got the hang of it and am able to lock my wrist but should I stop if my shoulder starts feeling like I lifted weights? am I doing something wrong?

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>>2974686
To be honest it sorta reminds me of this

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>>2974332

>>2974713
what is your advice for me?

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I haven't drawn in forever, advice and crit is always appreciated

>>2974720
zika virus

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How's my self portrait?

>>2974720
>>2974727
draw what you SEE
not what your brain tells you you see

>>2974725
resize your image
stop drawing tumblr noses
stop drawing thicc memes

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This is a study I did.

>>2974730
I don't think I was symbol drawing in my portrait. What looks the worst in it to you?

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>>2974732

reference

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>>2974734

A head from imagination

>>2974732
slope down the back of the head
hook the midsection of his nose
hook his brow
thin his neck
hook his chin

>>2974718
oh wow. i kekd, thanks anon

>>2974716
well thats sorta what i mean but surely that comes before expressions yes?

>>2974713
okay ill try

>>2974700
fucking help please this is torture

>>2974733
only his first tag was a good critique
the rest were wrong

kinda impossible to critique your portrait if we dont know what you look like

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>>2974737

>hook the midsection of his nose.

forgive me but I'm not sure what you mean.

Doggo with a gasmask study

>>2974733
You drew the upper row of teeth like they were in front of the lips, or protruding from them. Is that a fucking bubble from the nose? In any case the left side of the columella is perfectly vetical which I sincerely doubt you have on your face.
In any case you have to see the reference to properly judge these things. Post your face or do a portrait that isn't of you.
And remember, don't pick out "the worst" thing. Keep every little inadequacy in mind and resolve to fix all of them.

>>2974739
Help how? What are you having trouble with?

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>>2974742

A mermaid bird I drew when I was mucking around.

>>2974743
what do i do to improve

>>2974746
What was stopping you from asking that when you posted the original pic?
Pick a pose and redraw it several times until it looks right instead of just doing random shit.
Might help to use a reference to learn perspective before you try and construct in it.

>>2974700
How the fuck did you manage to degrade from your loomheads?!

You know what, I don't think drawing all these heads a good idea now at all. You go find yourself any PHOTO reference you can find and you simply copy it (yes — hair, moles, values, everything), paying as much attention as possible. In short, do a portrait study. Rest a day, do it again, and post both of these works. Don't ask or doubt, just do it.

>>2974730
not the artist, what's wrong with "thicc", is it because it keeps you from drawing forms correctly and in different sizes? also how is the nose tumblr, it's not red? is it because it's big? sorry if this doesn't make sense just genuinely wondering since I draw in that same "style" and want to improve

>>2974743
>Is that a fucking bubble from the nose?
yes it is lol, I picked the worst possible picture of me to draw, I'll post a non self portrait next time

>>2974727
I hope that isn't Finlay. I hope that's just you both buying the same kind of paper.

>>2974752
dont worry its not, I just upped the contrast

>>2974738
Alot of people think you should study certain things before trying to do something.

But how can you know what makes a face normal if you havent drawn different types of faces,
What ever you're trying to get good at drawing, just draw and study that.

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>>2974742
his nose points down not forward

>>2974749
>what's wrong with "thicc"
no:
>what's wrong with "memes"
a lot
>how is the nose tumblr
underemphasised sellion, overemphasised ala and apex which DOES keeps you from drawing forms correctly;
you're using a negroid nose on a caucasoid skull structure, but on a relatively realistic style
>I draw in that same "style" and want to improve
It's purely personal preference but I'd advise you don't take inspiration from the DA/tumblr crowd
their style is like meth on your ability to draw proportions

Efficient ways of doing masterstudies?

What to look for when studying values for example, what to keep in mind and ask yourself while doing it? Don't want to do a mindless copy.

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>>2974333
I'll study muscles and I know the spine is slightly wrong but can anyone point out mistak

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>>2974330
Just realized that better to start with small size.

>>2974773
>the spine is slightly wrong
the entire torso is completely wrong

>>2974773
Proportions, man.

>>2974725
Blog?

>>2974725
That thigh is way too thick.

>>2974779
By wrong, do you mean by the ref or just really wrong? IMO the ribcage is too far from the pelvis
>>2974777
Sorry, I just started reading Hampton's again.

>>2974784
THICC

>>2974784
UGGGHHHH

THICCCCCCCEEEERRRR

>>2974771
Oh look, I ( >>2974767 ) was right
>>2974788
>>2974791

>>2974720
Domestic abuse :(

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>>2974381

>>2974773
AYY LMAO

Should i draw with a grey or a white background on photoshop if i'm learning values?

>>2974817
Def grey. You want something neutral.

>>2974767
>I'd advise you don't take inspiration from the DA/tumblr crowd
their style is like meth on your ability to draw proportions

Well, bait or not I actually agree. I made the mistake of taking inspiration from smaller artists who don't don't have a grasp on anatomy on proportions. It's no wonder I'm stagnating, and I'm trying to distance myself from ugly noses.

DA is where I find most professional artists, where else should I go instead to find better inspiration?

>>2974806
I think you need a bigger resolution, as your handwriting is almost impossible to decipher as of now.

>>2974806
The midpoint of the circle is where you place the brow, not the eyes. You're drawing them too far up the head which makes the entire cranium look malformed.

>>2974825
Depends on your definition of "professional artist", because any shmuck drawing calarts on CN could be classified under that.

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Any advice about her proportion?

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>>2974329
How DO I learn anatomy? The artist anatomy books I find just feel too difficult to take in. Do I just keep drawing the skeleton and muscles until I understand them?

>>2974842
There is something wrong with her face, and that the hands are too small, I believe it should be about the same size as her face

>>2974830
As a beginner I wouldn't know. anyone who has their fundamentals down and can draw proportions realistically, but calarts doesn't come to mind as where I want to study off of. I'ts hard to know though when you see shit you couldn't imagine drawing but you don't want to fuck up and take up other bad habits.

What are some good anime artists that draw cute styles that I can learn off of? The ones I know suffer from lack of fundies

>>2974842
Something wonky with the left part of her face, don't know enough about animu to tell how to fix

>>2974329
What memes should I look out for, I just started today

>>2974859
Ilya Kuvshinov

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>>2974848
>>2974860
I make a quick edit. I give her more line weight below her chin and resize her hand.

>>2974842
Hands are indeed kinda small (remember, female hands reach from their chin to their eyebrows), and her boobs are located kinda high up (they look like pads) even if we take the hands raising them into account. Her navel seems to be shifted off axis towards the left of the picture, and you need to either move her chin in that same direction or move the entire face, as the angles of her jaws suggest that her face is almost facing (lol) the viewer.

You might use Houtengeki's anatomy guide, by the way. It should be in the artbook thread, I think. It is a picture folder called "H-gal."

>>2974870
Ok, the hands are ok now and the chin is almost fixed, but not quite.

>>2974870
Line weight won't make a difference; you have to draw the underside of the jaw from that angle.

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Well shit, I feel like I'm finally managing to grasp the style and construction. Mechanical skills have improved a lot too. Or is it still completely fucked?

>>2974889
Got a blog? Beginner progress is always amazing.

>>2974891
>blog
I think at this stage that'd be a bit too egotistical.

>>2974871
>>2974874
How about this one? I shifted her head a bit and lowered her breast.

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Lots of really flat and outlined art from beginners here. I know it's a cliche at this point, but drawing from memory and anime is not very beneficial to improvement.

Blah blah blah, draw from real life, etc. In my opinion, value and composition are the most important fundamentals one can pick up. Nowadays artists draw anime and furry without even know what composition is...

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>>2974913
Sorry. Forgot to resize.

>>2974913
You changed her breast size and moved her belly button UPWARDS and in the wrong position. It's not the position of the head that is wrong, but rather the angle and perspective are off.

You can't fiddle with angles until this one picture is right. When you draw from styled art, you copy all of the flaws and add them to your own flaws. Study from reference images of real people and step the heck away from the uguu for a while.

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>>2974725
I made the pose more comfortable
fixed the hips and rib to waist
did something with the left hand
and raised the face closer to the eyebrows

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>>2974917
last navel was fine though the extra muscle definition helped
give the breasts more swell to the sides to make them look like they're being squished and not just covered
draw that fucking chin

>>2974368

I don't know what level you're at so I assume you already know at least some of the basic of drawing and painting.

- Understand how light works. Especially how it reacts to different type of surface.

- Understand hard and soft edges.

>>2974384
Simple shapes! Hair are just big shapes with details on it. Just study hair until you see it and manipulate it in your imaginative drawings.

>>2974917
Looks alrightier, but you moved the navel too high up.

>>2974920
That's a definitely appealing edit, but my gosh, just look at all this dirt / chicken scratching!

>>2974917
Neck too large
trapezius too large
ribcage too large
waist too wide
arms too long
hands too small

>>2974916
>drawing from memory and anime is not very beneficial to improvement.
go shitpost that on 2ch,cap'n

>>2974920
The legs are still too fucking thick
t-rex arms
you changed the mouth but didn't fix the nose
ngmi

>>2974936
No need to cover your art in dicks just because you're unhappy with it. Stop chicken scratching and keep drawing heads for practice.

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>>2974940
I deleted the pic because I had forgot to resize it.
I need an advice on drawing lightly. I realized that if I draw that way I can use my whole arm instead of just fingers and wrist just fine. I mean, that's probably obvious but I just can't stop applying pressure while holding the stylus the normal way and obviously it's impossible to hold it like a pencil. I don't have any problems with that when I draw on paper thanks to the proper grip. Is there any secret to it? Or should I just draw and draw and draw in hope that my brain will rewire itself?

>>2974935
It's hardly a shitpost. Give me a good, detailed response as to why copying generic anime styles is helpful over focusing on core fundamentals.

I'm sure it's very helpful for all those wannabee doujin porn artists that have zero inspiration outside of making "hot, cute art".

>>2974935
nose is fine
legs are fine
didnt acknowledge the arms bc rushed

>>2974945
>Or should I just draw and draw and draw in hope that my brain will rewire itself?
That's literally how all this works, so not "in the hope that", but "so that".

>>2974952
>you ought to learn all these things to become an artist
>ignore the artists who did not learn these things
Are you trying to validate your art school degree or do you just wish you had an art school degree

>>2974953
>nu uh
>nu uh
>excuse
why are you even here

>>2974957
When you copy artists verbatim, you copy the flaws as well. New artists should not copy other artists until they understand how to draw from real life and the foundations.

There are so many new artists that are the megabloks version of existing ones. Is it really okay to ignore things like "value, composition, color theory" and go straight to "stylized anime art"?

>>2974844
Anyone? At all?

>>2974844
>>2974961
I don't know if you should be taking this from another beginner but yeah, understanding the muscles and bones beneath the skin is important

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>>2974962
But my question is how do I go about learning them, it's so much all at once that I don't really know where to start.

>>2974961
You study the human body. There's not much to it. Doing gesture sketches of real people when you're first learning.

>>2974960
>When you copy artists verbatim, you copy the flaws as well.
But no one here has copied artists, unless you're anal enough to count construction methods, in which case fuck everyone.
>There are so many new artists that are the megabloks version of existing ones
Probability alone dictates that this would happen, even if the two artists never glanced at each other's work.
> Is it really okay to ignore things like "value, composition, color theory" and go straight to "stylized anime art"?
Is it bad to go into "stylized anime art" and then learn things like "value, composition, color theory"? I'd call it putting the cart before the horse if nips didn't do it so well.

Seriously, you sound like a pretentious little art grad.

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>>2974967
just draw muscle babes and muscle men
draw them sleeping, fucking, eating, doesnt matter.

If you can draw someone who is so fit that you can see how the muscles appear on their body, you'll basically learn anatomy easily.

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I can't stop chicken scratching

>>2974984
Post it with the construction.

>>2974730
>draw what you see

What does that mean?

>>2974994
Drawing from observation of the real form instead of what you assume it looks like.

>>2974994
As in look at the shapes that the values make and draw them instead of the mouth, the eyes, etc. make sure the direction of the lines you see in the reference are consistent with the lines you're putting on paper.

>>2974994
For example, your brain cooks up its own symbol of what an eye is when you're young.
So when you're older, when you try to draw an eye you draw that symbol of an eye instead of the eye you see.

>>2974984
You know you have to draw the back too, even if almost all of it won't be seen due to the arm.

>>2974704

they're like american chibis

>>2974742

is that the dog from postnuke

>>2974980
You just have to make sure there is no physical deformities. Or weird perspective, like on your photo.

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Took me a while.

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rate, crit, suggest pls

>>2975043
looks alright, but the style is kinda 2009ish

>>2975043
illustrator vectorize... Go to /gd/.

>>2975050
that's the board i'm looking for. ty

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>>2975036
THE CHIN
DRAW THE CHIN
USE A REFERENCE
BUT DRAW THE CHIN

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Does anyone know why there is usually a highlight in the inner corner of the eyes? It seems weird to have light there when just slightly above that part is under the cast shadow of the brow.

>>2975085
concave area, the light in the pic is pretty much from the front

>>2975089
and thera are no cast shadows in the pic, the skin is darker over the eyelid here

shieeeettt i made the new pic for beginner thread. does this mean im trash?

>>2975095
Not necessarily.

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>>2974438

>>2975150
how big is the drawing? It looks like it's really small.

drawing blind is helpful?

>>2975154
No, not for people who don't really want to do it. If you want to draw concept art, just draw your ideas and use tutorials/study to fill in the gaps.

>>2975153
yeah, it's like 3x2in

>>2975150
Everything's a bit wonky. The chin slants to the left, the eyes slant to the right, but the brow is lateral. The other ala of the nose would be visible from that angle.
Draw much bigger so you can improve your mechanical skills and stop making mistakes like these.

>>2975158
Clothing doesn't conform perfectly to the skin.

>>2975159
Oh, thanks. Im asking because now i study "Key to drawing" and i really dont like this exercise. I dont even know if this book is good for beginner.

>>2975161
I see what you mean with the perspective issues. I'll work on that with larger sketches. Thanks for the critique!

>>2975164
Books are okay if you didn't come in with the intention to want to do them. They are supposed to instill knowledge, not magically make you better.

If you really just wanted to get better at drawing, just draw and use references of the thing you want to draw. The more times you draw, the more times you look for mistakes and errors and then improve upon them then you'll get closer to your goals.

>>2975167
Yeah but i think i should at least study some anatomy and make some habits. Also i try to (re)draw something everyday, at least one character, part, etc

>>2974491
Scan at a higher resolution. I scan linework at 1200 ppi minimum, in greyscale. The lowest you should go is 800ppi.

>>2974499
Depends on what you want to do. I bought an Epson Photo 500, because I had a box of home slides I wanted to scan, and I also scanned a bunch of slides for a photographer friend. A good scanner that will be accurate and fast is about $250-300. More is overkill, unless you need the precision and capabilities, like a light hood for scanning slides and transparencies.

A Canon Lide series would be fine for line art, they're about $50-60. They're portable, and work off USB.

I don't like buying all in one printer/scanners, because ink jets are a rip off, and you usually end up with a clogged/dead printer. I have a color laser ($200), and send my color ink jet work out.

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How do I get better at inking with pencils ? I'm using some brushes in shades of grey which can give a nice aspect but can get messy in some cases (as in the picture). Not too happy with the train and the colors, but the main focus was on the characters. Any brand or techniques that give a more unified tone ?

also not a furry.

What pen should I use? I'm using gel pens and they suck ass. I hear fineliners are good but they dry very fast. I don't want to spend a million dollars on this shit.

>>2975192
Learn how to draw before you start to colour.

>>2975197
Depends on what you like, there are thousands of types of pens out there. I personally use a crow quill dip pen with india ink for fine penwork, or my old rapidographs (expenisive). Felt tip, there's tons on the market, of every size you could ever want.

For better, more unified tone, I'd google "pen and marker rendering". It's not something I've ever studied, so I can't help more.

Is it ideal to divide my hours drawing into half time studying things out of my comfort zone, and half into it?

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>>2974329
Move?
Remove?
Add what elements
etc.

feedback appreciated.

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Just started Keys to Drawing, done with lesson 1 and 2. But I'm not sure what to do with the lessons in general. Like how many lessons should I do per day, at what frequence, do I have to do them again?

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>>2975158
Why does it not have a forehead?

Also the clothing is shit. Unappealing. have a better comprehension of how drapery work to make it less shit.

http://bookzz.org/book/737858/a7a131

>>2975223
people usually cant do over 10 pages of any drawing tutoring book.

try doing 5 per day or something. rest on the weekends so you don't burn out.

read this too: https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-learn-to-draw-stage-one-manual-skills--cms-23304

>>2975226
>https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-learn-to-draw-stage-one-manual-skills--cms-23304
>unironically promoting chicken scratching

Dropped.

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>>2975231
You have to try everything to see what works for you.

>>2975209
If you're in /beg/ and you think anything is in your comfort zone you're overestimating yourself. There's always more to learn.

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>>2975220
feedback plx

>>2975226
>We all used to draw as kids

Not me, got another book?

>>2975237
ngmi

>>2975239
I was too busy playing video games as a kid. I just want to draw cute anime

>>2975240
then fucking get started
you only get better at drawing by DRAWING

>>2975251
I am, I'm just shit because I can't visualize 3d my head

Am I hurting myself drawing from photo references instead of from life?

>>2975263
Not you're practicing as best as possible, if that counts as hurting yourself, then yes.

>>2975261
Post work.
You'll need to keep drawing shit heads in order to develop the mechanical skills to actually draw a head anyway.

>>2975263
Yes, leave "yourself drawing form photo references instead of from life" alone.
jk no

>>2975266
I'm phoneposting, no work to show for another 7 hours

But I know what must be done

What's the point of art school? You pay a lot of money for an instructor to tell you that your drawings are shit? /beg/ does that for free...

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I am trying to ingrain in my brain how to draw in 3D on command, it's being somewhat difficult getting my ahead around understanding how different angles look like in perspective and certain things like ellipses work exactly.

I'll continue with Scott's book, but in the meantime I would appreciate any advice.


Specially regarding this exercises I am doing, do you think they are valuable? And, what can I do about presentation? I feel the latter is my least developed skill and not just when it comes to draftsmanship, I just have trouble with organizing things period.

>>2975281
Advantages:
1) Higher quality critique. Instead of getting feedback from randoms online who might not know what they're talking about, you get it from a qualified professional (assuming the school isn't shit (most of them are)).
2) Competitive environment. You will be pushed to work hard and improve quickly. You will be around similarly hard-working people.

Disadvantages:
1) Way too fucking expensive. Pretty much a ripoff for what you're getting.

Verdict:
Don't go to art school.

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>>2975220
>>2975236
please

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>>2975150
Still drawing kinda small. It's a hard habit to break.

>>2975303
incinerate that image
learn how to construct a head
learn how to construct a body
learn how to construct in perspective
redo that image

>>2975304
Huge improvement, keep at it

>>2975287
they look nice.
scott's book owns
its a matter of a good eye and mileage in using his techniques to do it by eye i think

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>>2975307
Could you point out where are the faults?

I'm using references of different pics, so is not really a construction.

pls

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Sorry if this isn't the thread to ask this, but I want to know ho can I color my drawing like this, I mean with that texture.

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>>2974945
I rest my hand weight on my pinkie like this.

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Doodled this to use as an avatar.

>>2975311
>Could you point out where are the faults?
Whole thing
>I'm using references of different pics, so is not really a construction.
You're supposed to use references to learn how to construct, not just Frankenstein shit together.
Start from the basics and work towards making an image like that,

>>2975315
Add noise.

>>2975317
Hold the pen farther up so that your index finger is on the bottom end of the rocker. Rest your hand weight on the side of your hand. Break your shitty habit.

>>2975322
What the fuck is that ear and bottom lip. Don't blend styles.

>>2975308
thanks, will do

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>>2975266
actually I found this on my phone.

First two lessons of Keys to drawing

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>>2975324
Wait
I get it now
it looks all fucked up beause there is no way to tell the low angle
kek

these were the ones I was using as a reference

thanks anon. I should use the lighting or something that suggests that.

>>2975324
>Break your shitty habit.

I was showing how I hold my pen to the other anon. I do rest it on the whole pinkie side of my hand and it's quite comfortable. :)

>>2975326
Never read it but it looks like you're symbol drawing.

>>2975327
It looks all fucked up because it's all fucked up; You can't slap good lighting on a shitty base and expect things to work.
Start from the basics and work towards that image or you're only cheating yourself.

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>>2975331
Can you tell me why is it a shitty base in detail and where are all the faults so I dont repeat the same mistakes?

I'm at the point where I looked too much at it and have no self awareness on where is it failing

>>2975331

Yeah, I'm looking at the lines and contours and trying to copy it 1:1, and this is the result.

Trying to get symbol drawing out of my system.

>>2975330
I thought you were the same anon and that the grip was the source of his problems. But still, that ain't right.

>>2975335
I've already said where you're failing; you have to learn construction, and then constructing in perspective.
You started trying to sketch a bunch of stuff without having any idea how to sketch that stuff, and unsurprisingly it failed completely.
Abandon that image for now. Learn the basics and build on them until you can PROPERLY make an image like that. Make that your goal and keep at it.

>>2975341
Best of luck

>>2975327
no wonder it looks like shit

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>>2975345
>Learn the basics and build on them until you can PROPERLY make an image like that. Make that your goal and keep at it.
Do you have a book or tutorial or something on the topic you could recommend me?

>>2975348
Yes, the sticky you obviously skipped on the way in. Stop fucking wasting the image cap by spamming shitty reaction images.

>>2975350
But I already read it
I'm like 79% done in bert dodson book.
I know how to measure
What book did you study or what lesson should I review again?
can you post a good example of how a good drawing of what I wanted to draw?
I'm not shitposting. I'm just asking because I want to improve.

what do you do when you're stuck on a part of a lesson.

by stuck, I mean you can understand the logic behind an exercise but you can't replicate it. is it better to keep going and work on what you failed at on other subjects? its been a week and I'm tired of trying to draw my eyes because I can't shake off symbol drawing no matter how I try, no matter what I mutter out loud, no matter if I'm forcing my self to think in lines, angles, and shapes etc.

>>2975356
>reading books
>rough as fuck
>still can't construct a head
>still can't construct a body
Are you sure you're reading them?

>>2975361
https://youtu.be/-r679Hhs9Zs

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>>2975365
If you could recommend the one which you learned from and a what you consider a good example of what I want to accomplish, it would be very helpful anon.

Is it bad to start entirely digital without a cintiq?
Pen dexterity exercises are pretty bad when you can't shadow the movement before putting the pen down like you can in real life.

>>2975392
>starting digital

not a good idea ever

>>2975365
Thanks for the video anon, its inspirational as fuck. I guess I'll just keep grinding out other lessons/books until I beat it.

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>>2975287

Thanks Anon, I guess there's no way around. Just gotta finish the book and grind a lot. Gonna try to focus on Ellipses, in pic related I know I got the back wheel wrong, but I am not sure how to fix it.

>>2975401

Oops, that was meant for >>2975309

>>2975392
Just spent a few months trad

Is drawabox.com good for starters?

>>2975411
= ISIS

>>2975411

Yes, it's basically a copy & paste of Dynamic Sketching by Peter Han. Great place to get started, mostly because unlike Peter Han, draw a box will also get you started in the necessary basic perspective knowledge you need to get the shit he teaches.

>>2975263
Not especially. It's always better to draw from life, but photos are perfectly acceptable.

>>2975281
Not quite. What you get in an art school is one on one work with the teacher, who can spot when you're hitting the wall on something, and how to move past it. You get questions answered. You get instruction on how to paint and draw, and also the materials, like paper, pencils, paint, brushes, ect. You get direction. You get inspiration, generally art schools are a very creative atmosphere and it rubs off on you. You can also try every medium they offer, with someone telling you how - want to carve marble? Take a sculpting course. You also get art history, anatomy, figure study in painting and sculpture. You walk out with a portfolio and the skills to work as an artist.

SOME schools are crap. The Art Academies never impressed me much, they were just babysitting for emo suburban kids. The high end schools are great - Pratt, The College Of Arts and Crafts in Oakland, The Art Center in LA - they're the best of the best, and the teachers are amazing. State schools can have strong art departments, too. And of course, the private schools and ateliers out there.

What you get in /beg/ is told you're shit by try hard bullies, memed to death with idiotic things like shoulder drawing, and an over reliance on books and not real experience.

>>2975327
What about putting a different ceiling in? That would be my first choice.

>>2975392
People learned to draw without Cintiqs for a long time, myself included.

If you're that worried, draw on paper, that's the closest experience to a Cintiq.

>>2975401
The kind of drawing you're doing is not art drawing, it's drafting and design. They teach that in classes like industrial design, and while some people still use it, most of it has been replaced with CAD and 3D.

It's a different discipline than art drawing. You want to look into Industrial Design.

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I'm working on a value study and have started to apply some rough colors. I haven't done much in the way of rendering, but I was curious what brush settings and tool type to use for blending colors in sai, and getting a good looking gradient from it?

So far I've just tried brushes with various blending and density levels, but all turn out streak-y. Thanks for any help.

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>>2975424
>What you get in /beg/ is told you're shit by try hard bullies, memed to death with idiotic things like shoulder drawing, and an over reliance on books and not real experience.

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>>2975443

I don't use SAI so I'm not going to give you advice on brush settings, but I do have advice for your colors.

Vary your color temperature more. You're basically just reducing the brightness of your base color for your shadows, which always makes it look muddy. Generally it's advisable to make your shadows trend towards less saturated usually bluer hues. If you've got a color wheel and color pick your base color and the shadow color and the selector doesn't move much along the wheel, you're probably not varying your temperature enough.

Here's how it looks with the shadows shifted a little more blue and the values darkened a little.

>>2975478
Not the same guy but what happens if red light strikes a blue object? Is the reflected light a mix between red and blue?

>>2975449
No bad, even if your brush work is pretty haphazard. I assume this is more of a aesthetic choice.

Would try and delineate your planes a bit more before you start blending (Asaro for reference if you don't have one). Start large, work small. Good potential regardless.

>>2975443
I don't use SAI, but here's what I do with Photoshop:

I use a brush with a 50-75% fuzzy edge, set at around 5% opacity. I then paint along the brush strokes, picking color by using the option key (eyedropper) to go lighter or darker. I keep working it along, building up values, until it's smooth. So, like on the bra, I'd go into one band of the magenta, use the option key to get the next shade darker, and work the band of color where it transitions. That's pretty much what you do in oil painting, and while it takes a while, you have all control. Low opacity is the key, and going smaller in size with the brush. You can also use the airbrush, or the blending tool, if SAI has one, but I prefer brush strokes. My final polishing layer of brushstrokes is pretty much crosshatching with a 00 brush, or the equivalent in PS.

Your skin tones are all wrong. The base tone should be more beige-y, or pink, and use warm and cool values of those to define the shape and volume. The colors in your piece are not natural, no skin on the planet looks like that. Plus, in the shadows, near the shirt, the skin will reflect a little of the blue/grey of the shirt.

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>>2975061
Thanks pal for keeping up with me. I draw this OC after a while studying female torso. This part of my study to see if I can construct body without looking reference.

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>>2975485

Thereabouts, I'm sure it depends on the material.

Check out color constructor if you want a tool that lets you see how light color and base color interacts.

>>2975428
Yeah
I did
thanks anon

I will try to save this polished turd. will post the end results later so anons can rip me a new one

>>2975478
Also, go read this:

http://www.cgsociety.org/CGSFeatures/CGSFeatureSpecial/custom_story/5228&page=1

It's a tutorial by Marta Dalig, one of the more known artists over at CG Society. She walks you through how she paints, including form, composition, and how she paints the skin and texture in the painting. There's a time-lapse video around of her painting it, too.

I'm not a fan of her content, she does girly foo foo stuff, but her technique digitally is superior.

>>2975478
Okay cool! That does look a lot better. The blue makes the shade look darker and more real. Is there something similar I should be aware of for light and highlights?

>>2975492
Thanks man
>>2975490
It certainly looks better now. Good work, Anon

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How am I supposed to draw pic related I don't get it. Perspective is fucking my brain up. Do I start with the contour?

>>2975488
Thanks anon, when you say "delineate" you mean... show plane changes more solidly?

>>2975498

Highlights will also be desaturated, your most saturated colors will generally be between the brightly lit parts and the shadows. The color of the light is going to impact that too, of course. Usually the basic rule is that lights are warmer and shadows are cooler, but some artists reverse that and still draw really interesting stuff. There's also stuff like reflected light etc but I wouldn't wrack your brain too hard about it at the beginning, just be aware that as you shift from light to shadow you should shift hue a bit too, it makes things look a lot less muddy.

>>2975501
Delineate means "describe or portray (something) precisely." So do that. What he's saying is draw it more closely to reality. That's just practice, and paying attention to what you're doing.

>>2975495
Thank you! I will look into this tomorrow.

>>2975507
The idea here is that black does not exist in nature, except in the complete lack of light. It might read "black" to you, but there's color there at night, it's just extremely muted.

Shadows have color. You will get closest to black in the noon sun at the equator - but it still won't be pure black, as everything reflects light, even small amounts.

As my painting teachers made us do - take black out of your pallete. Learn to mix black from the primaries, so you have a toned black - like a blueish black for cool shadows. You can also have some artistic license there, adding color that isn't there, but makes the image more interesting.

Once your eye gets accustomed to seeing color in shadows, you'll see color everywhere. That pair of black jeans is based on yellow. That's why it doesn't really fit with the black t-shirt that's based on red. That shadow is cool, it's got greens and blues in it. That kind of thing. Seeing the world like that is part of the process of becoming an artist.

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>>2975527
I like your stuff. Really wish you drew a lot bigger though.

>>2975531
thanks! yep, definitely gonna work on drawing bigger.

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Drew another hand.

I tried drawing a face from a picture reference but it was too much and I reverted to symbol drawing for the nose, going to give it another go.

My short term goal is to be good enough to do charcoal sketches in Manhattan on my days off from work.

How exactly do you remove symbol drawing? Is it drawing from life until you can do a 1:1 copy? How long is it expected to take to force your brain to draw what you see instead of what you think you see?

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(made a thread about this but they brought me here)
I'm making a character so fangirls can character-insert thing for Fangirls.
She's essentially made for self inserting.
Somethings off about this design though.
i don't know what to change with clothing and hair,Any ideas?

>>2975571
>has sai
>uses medibang
What?

>>2975575
I just got sai back and i have a preference,anon

>>2975575
not that OP but if you're drawing on a microsoft surface, the pen driver actually doesn't like to play nice with Sai

>>2975500
Are you constructing or just drawing the edges first?

>>2975593
draw the edges first

>>2975622
come on bruh
drawing is like building a house
the house will probably look like shit without proper construction

simplify the form of the hand into a group of boxes. Boxes are much easier to imagine in perspective. Once you establish the form with the boxes, you can "sculpt" the hand out of it.

>>2975633
>memeing about construction as if the exercise involves it

>>2975439

It was my understanding that one needed first a strong skill in Perspective (practiced through design sketching) before dwelling into other topics. Was I wrong?


Surely everyone seeks to know how to master perspective, right?

>>2975637
It's a meme that you have to have a strong skill in perspective before anything.

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>>2975638

Every time I hear that, I get a nagging feeling in my gut that is just a phrase people with no patience for it say to justify their lack of hard work. No offense, friend. But I just find it difficult to believe the most basic and fundamental of all skills can be disregarded.


Fuck me if I am wrong, but I'll deal with the consequences.

I need to replace my 6 year old wacom pretty soon. Is there anything coming out soon worth waiting for, or should I just shop around what's currently available?

how do i get my workspace windows to attach to the fucking edges in photoshop cs6

>>2975651
not that OP, but the goal is creating the illusion of depth
the better you understand the form you are drawing, the easier it is to do this.
If you understand perspective, it is much easier to understand the form as projected on a 2D plane (i.e. a drawing). If you have high spatial intelligence, you already intuitively understand perspective to some degree.

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I really gotta stop wasting so much time on refining these shitty sketches when it's so off to begin with orz

>>2975682

Not a spatial intelligence genius to be honest, just slight above average so I'll keep grinding perspective.

>>2975697
do you have a tilt brush? i like using the default hard-oval shaped brushes instead of hard round but i can't get it to go in the direction of my stroke so i usually have a hard time defining form

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>>2975708
naw I just use this brush I dowloaded from god knows where. I'm pretty shit at defining form too though so I don't know if this brush is any good for that haha

>>2974776

Jaw should be longer vertically

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Thoughts??

>>2975744
Keep going.

>>2975748
I want to, but it's really taxing. I might work more on it later. In the meantime, how can I make it look decent?

Been practicing exclusively on digital the past couple weeks and just tried paper again the first time today. Can't believe how much my line control improved, I figured it would've degraded. I guess digital really helps train your hand-eye coordination or something.

Makes me wonder how much better my digital work would be if I wasn't using a 3'' drawing tablet...

>>2975780
>>2975780
>>2975780

>>2975780
>>2975780
>>2975780

>>2975780
>>2975780
>>2975780

>>2975085
These days, it's makeup. But in normal circumstances, the plane of the corner of the eye is flat, and will pick up light.

>>2975637
It's definitely something that should be learned early on. But what you're doing is a different kind of perspective, it's called orthographic rendering. You learn it regardless wether you're studying industrial design, or fine art. It's the same thing in each discipline. Architects learn it, too.

>>2975633
The point of the exercise in Dodson is to just draw contours IIRC.

>>2975500
keys to drawingÉ

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Hello do you think its a waste of money to buy a drawing tablet with this level of skill.
Also i have 90 bucks to spare what would be my best option of tablet if you think i should buy one.
Thanks for your time.

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>>2976940
if you get a decent tablet it's never a waste of money. Tablets aren't like paints or whatever, they should last you a long time.

100 bucks will get you a little intuos, but if you think you can save up the money I really recommend saving up for an intuos pro medium or even better, a large. I think it's a lot better for your wrist that way, and the wacom intuos line is pretty dependable

best of luck with whatever you choose to do~

>>2975192
buck?