What should I do to this to make it actually look good?

>>2960080
is her ear supposed to be coming out of her cheek?

>>2960086
Well.. No.

But I don't see it that way. Could you elaborate on this error?

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>>2960127
well ears usually come out of the side of your head

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>>2960143
you not being able to draw a jaw doesnt make it incorrect retard

>>2960080
They're right. The ear should be higher and further back. Imagine this guy wearing glasses. How would it place on the ears?

The painting lacks definition. The features are blurry. You have to actually render what's there. In a room that dark, the shadows should be darker. The eyes should be in shadow such that the irises are covered and don't glow as bright. You can darken the irises then add bright highlights to indicate the glow. Overall, your painting looks flat and can use more contrast.

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>>2960148
that's just for the joke
here is her jaw on your blue line

>>2960080
deviate from Ruan Jia's meme aesthetic

>>2960171
What aesthetic are you referring to?

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Learn appealing proportions. Mainly your nose is too big and the eyes are too far up.

>>2960182
The color scheme, the random spots of different hues everywhere, and OP drawing individual hair strands using different colors. He's pretty much trying to be an RJ, I don't know how you can't see it

>>2960287
But I don't like your proportions. You scrunched the face down, made the jawline generic-animu shape, the nose is tiny and has a shadow line along the line of the nose, which doesn't make any sense with where the light source is.

Not every character must adhere to golden ratio proportions. That'd be like if we could never draw stylized anime/cartoons after learning realism.

>>2960324
But yours just looks wird. Unless you wanted to draw a weird looking dude.

>>2960317
I am the OP.

I wasn't even referencing RJ when I drew this.
I don't think it looks like RJ at all. But if that's all you can think to compare it to, I guess I'm flattered, lol.

I thik that the neck is weird.... it's too wide and large, but in general i like it! ;)

>>2960334
Yours looks equally weird. So let's meet in the middle and say that I should move the eyes slightly down.

>>2960342
Not that guy but literally the first thing that popped in my head when scrolling down and seeing the thumbnail was "what a shitty Ruan Jia clone". Even if it wasn't intentional, that's what people are going to think.

>>2960355
That's because I suck. I've got the Ruan Jia style down(ish), but not the fundamentals.

Hence why I was asking for fundamental tips.

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I don't really see the resemblance, personally.

>>2960393
hard to tell if you're joking or not lol

>>2960402
Not joking. If you'd like to point out similarities, go right ahead, I'm actually curious.

If anything, it looks more like I tried to copy a generic atelier oil painting in an animu style.

>>2960346
wrong, his looks much better, the one he drew actually has face-shape, yours just looks like a muddy oval for a head

understand it's your drawing and you've been looking at it for pretty long so many you don't see this as you look at it differently

>>2960346
also i can tell you've spent quite a big deal of time on this since you are so emotionally invested. I suggest you do shorter projects, draw, stop, leave it be even if it's ugly, dont delete it, and instead of erasing and re-drawing a thousand times just draw more from scratch

>>2960416
face/bodies come in many different shapes and sizes, just because >>2960287 right looks more attractive, doesn't mean that OP somehow failed.

>>2960080

Lacking edge control,

Increasing the value range would make a lot of diffrence as many aspects of the painting blur into eachother too much.

For example, the brigde of the nose blends in with the cheeks too much, making them hard to identify.

the yellow ''highlights'' on the lower cheeks/hair/upper lips/neck are odd and seem misplaced.

The contrast of the eyes are too hard and don't blend in with the rest of the painting.

Proportion wise the eyes are too high and the nose is a tad too big(altough not impossiable). Also the chin could be exaggerated more imo.

Overal the painting needs to be refinded, but I asume it's a WIP.

>>2960427
I'm not emotionally invested, and I haven't spent that much time on it.

I just don't like people giving me their subjective preferences instead of fundamental tips. I guess I should have specified that I want tips in the form of the fundamentals, rather than "tell me how I can pander to your personal preferences". I kind of figured that part would go without saying, but apparently not.

>>2960441
The rule of cool is the most fundamental of fundamentals.

>>2960448
Looks fine to me, minus the lack of form definition, value range and such.

>>2960287
Don't listen to these weebs. Every face doesn't have to and shouldn't look like animu or semi-animu trash. Every artist now does the same damn thing and it's boring.

>>2960080
I personally don't have that much knowledge on color, but I think it's too grayish and doesn't have too much contrast except for the eyes. I may be mistaken, but maybe a little bit more shadow on the neck could make a difference. Also, even though is a portrait, the pose is too bland and boring. The design could tell a lot of your character if its well accompanied by an interesting pose or facial expression. Or both.

>>2960506
This. I don't get why people are critting the way the person looks? Crit the actual fundies not that you want a tiny nose and a dorito chin.

>>2960545
I doubt these guys actually know what to critique, so they critique the subjective elements.

Only a few guys suggested bumping the values, better defining the form, better edge control and putting thought into the composition. Smh

>>2960324
Those entire paragraphs: Stop. Stop thinking like Tumblr. A more feminine face does not make a character animu, in the same way a more lean figure makes a character anorexic (fat activist thought process). That makes you seem like those dykes that draw girls manly and ugly on purpose because """inner beauty""" and feminism and all that.

Even if that's not what you intended to sound like, you do. This "i'll reject your critique and substitute it for my own!" is the kind of defensiveness thought process you need to identify and abandon.

>>2960725
Look, a tiny nose with a generic, pointy, symbol-shape jawline and 5head is pretty animu in my book. I can make the character look feminine without it looking anime-esque. Not that I want it to look particularly feminine, it's a male character. And there's nothing wrong with making him look unique and average, and not totally ideal. That's called being stuck in the comfort zone. I like to experiment, not find one formula and stick to it 'til the end of time.

I don't like anon's superficial preferences. Period. I don't need to get defensive, I'm perfectly fine with the face structure I drew. You guys want me to draw generic idealized faces for you guys while the values and form definition is lacking? Sure, I can do that. If nothing else, just to make you look stupid when that satisfies you.

>>2960752
Jesus christ it's supposed to be a dude?

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>>2960080
shade your shit

>>2960287
is a retard

>>2960545
The eyes being placed too high is a typical beginner fundie mistake and has nothing to do with personal taste. You can draw a human face in many different variations that can all be appealing, but you can't just ignore the basic proportions of a face like the eye placement, especially if you want to draw a somewhat good looking character.

>>2960783
Dunning Kruger. Don't try to help people when you are at such a low level yourself. Both the guy you called a retard and OP are way above your skill level.

>>2960794
That's a fair critique. I meant the other guy talking about how you should give every one a small nose and a sharp jaw. That's entirely subjective, your critique relies on the fundies and is completely fair.

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I tried my best here without changing the facial structure too much. I think the biggest problem is, that the facial planes aren't well defined at all and the painting is lacking contrast.

>>2960815
the other anons proportions are way better than whatever the fuck you are trying to do.

>>2960815
Still working on it even after getting shat on.
Respect.

>>2960783
that looks fucking retarded LMFAO YOU EVEN MADE IT WORSE

>>2960815
not op btw.
>>2960829
That's fine I didn't try to fix them, but I had fun.

>>2960783
you made it so much worse anon. i am embarassed for you.

>>2960815
yeah the colors look better

but no the face shape is still WRONG, you are symbol-drawing the proportions/spaces basically, go look at a mirror, put your head at the same angle and tell me that there's only one curve from your chin to your fucking forehead

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>>2960853
oh sorry i didnt know u werent op lol

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>>2960080
You just needed to take the bogpill.

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Do what you want with my two cents, since i'll admit now you're certainly more skilled than i am, but try making the darks darker in areas you want to stand out, like the top of the eyelid where it touches the eye, underneith the horns maybe, along the collar and anywhere else where you think a more extreme shadow should go, i think a more specific light source would help make it pop a lot more too. Might find this picture useful, i personally haven't used it yet since i'm trying to get my fundies up to par before i get into rendering on the computer.

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Hey I wanna give my totally ignorant advice on this too!

>>2960080
i like your faces proportions anon, lol, this is a very funny thread

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>>2960080

A few of your colour choices seem nonsensical, like the dash of yellow in the hair and the jarringly warm eyes with no warmth in the rest of the skin. It feels like youre trying to emulate the hue shifts and textures of other digital portraits without any subtlety, you're not using them as tools to paint the face but rather presenting them to the viewer directly.

>>2961084
I don't know, the face doesn't look very human to me. The eyes are soo far up.

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>>2960287
is absolutely right, learn what makes people attractive before you attempt to make your art attractive by drawing people, your values are also pretty shit

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>>2960080

>>2961098
you didnt improve it either
god this thread is full of fucking retards. its like all of you think of yourselves as more talented than you really are. fucking unbearable.

>>2961126

Give me more indepth crit. I painted over that anon not because I think I'm better but because the nature of this thread a lot of advice is getting criticized as well and that will give me some good insight into what I can do better as well.

>>2961103
it's not wrong though, it's just a sort of long face, with the top of the head cut off by the frame, also the perspective is a bit odd and inconsistent, so a bit confusing i guess.

to me it looks a bit like a teenage boys' face, which i think is fine because a lot of women do look like that and because with the horns and the shape of her nose it gives her a sort of taurian look which i think suits. i think trying to make her into a generic elfin chick is a bit tone deaf.

>>2961164
This is what I thought too, and that if they moved the eyes down a liiittle bit and made the forehead a bit higher, it would be fine.

OP here. Gonna look through the new posts and see what there is to learn.

>>2961204
also make a distinction between which comments on the crits are yours and which aren't because without that it just looks like your ungrateful to every single crit even though it might not be you replying

>>2961209
Sure thing. Makes sense to me!

Values are your main problem. You got some interesting colors and brushwork but your value range is flat as a pancake. The painting looks as if it's faded by sunlight.

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>>2960287
>>2960794
>>2961103
>>2961120

Boom. Here is the structure as I intended it to be. And a nice little comparison to hopefully illustrate why I don't like what everything thinks I need to do to my proportions.

>>2961245

I don't understand why people do this. You haven't improved anything, just changed the person's face to something more of your own liking.

>>2961246
I haven't changed anything. I just outlined the original structure. I'm the OP.

>>2960815
Honestly, I like this a lot more OP. Fuck the bitches in this thread that are trying to make you change the basic face shape.

Maybe make the colors more vibrant and less muddy in the hair, use some of the warm colors you see in the ear around the rest of the skin, and start refining stuff.

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>>2961217
>>2961255

What these anons said.

You just need to establish a value range for your different materials and add more colour.

It's all about the contrast (value, colour, edges etc.)

The face is just a personal preference in my opinion. Just do whatever you find appealing.

>>2960080
Push the contrast. Find the darkest points in the picture and make them BLACK. From there do the same with your whites.

>>2961291
Yo this is really great, anon.

>>2961291
that's awesome

>>2961291
Looks like a girl

>>2961291
thanks ruan

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>>2961291
very nice

>>2960080
op is nice as well, is this yours too?

>>2961331
Yeah, that is mine.

How did you find it, actually?

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>>2961334
obviously it was posted before bro lol

I like your painting style, and i keep this in my inspirational folder to learn from since i am not the best at painting.

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im not going to touch on anything value related the big thing about the face is the missing jaw and brow ridge

its got that general animu egg shape going on nothing is really incorrect with proportions just needs a bit of construction edits

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>>2961291
I give up. Time to start anew.

>>2961291
blog?

>>2960080
I like this a lot, it has potential. It already looks pretty good. What I've noticed here (mainly because it's an issue I run into sometimes) is that the right eye is too low, and this skews the perspective of the face. The right side of the face should not be so smooth, there should be an emphasis on the contours at that angle. The chin looks too shadowy and needs to be brought forward with more mid tones and highlights.

I would add some hints of more saturated colour to the darker shading, and increase the contrast as well by adding darker shading in concave areas, and subtle hints of brighter highlights, too.

Please take this advice with a lump of salt, since I am not a professional artist.

>>2961291
Holyshit, best paint over I've seen in a while!

>>2961245
did you even notice that the only change in chin was that the neck was made slimmer. and slightly sculpted. not super dorito or whatever bullshit you were saying. and okay in your outline you show the side plane of the face but your painting doesn't convey that at all.

>>2961340

You made xe 20 years older

>>2961291
You saved this bread

>>2961291
Ruan is that you???

>>2961607
It kinda resembled Ruan to begin with, in essence

>>2960896
>>2961291
10/10 my nigga.

>>2961613
is that suppose to be a joke?

>>2961291
catbib?

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>>2961662
OP here.

That's what everyone else said. I wasn't trying to rip off RJ's style.

The repaint looks like RJ probably because of this painting RJ did. Not sure if it's intentional or coincidental.

>>2961520
Did you even notice that I was pointing out that the eyes were actually at the halfway point of the head length to begin with?

I can see now that the face could use some improvement on a fundamental level. But your over paint isn't really much of an improvement.

Don't mean to be a dick, but I calls it how I sees it.