/las/ Last Artist Standing - Betrayal Edition

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FAQ:
Something's broken, what do I do?

>The original developer of the site has taken a leave for quite a while, originally due to medical reasons. Progress on the site is almost non-existant at this point. You can try contacting him at @LavaFlake or emailing him at [email protected].

What do we draw?

>Whatever you want. At this point there's no required topic so draw your heart out. Make sure you submit at least a half hour of work or you may get a low effort warning.

What's a low effort warning?

>The goal is to get people to draw every day by turning it into a competition. The low effort warning system is to prevent people from posting last minute, quick sketches when they're feeling lazy. If you receive a warning and it happens again within a month you'll be eliminated.

>This rule has been the cause of a lot of concern amongst newer artists so let me reiterate: this system is to police low effort content and has nothing to do with the quality of the work. New artists are more than welcome.

What happens if I'm eliminated?

>Your streak will go back to 0 and you will have to start again. No other penalties.

How can there be a new Last Artist Standing challenge every week?

>There is no week system anymore, instead new users are given "streaks" based on the number of consecutive days you can submit without getting eliminated. (token losses do not reset your streak)

Will I have an advantage if I join later in the week?

>The winner of a Last Artist Standing will be the artist with the longest streak. If you join on day 1 and last until day 85 then you'll have a streak of 85. If there's only one person left in the challenge when you're eliminated but they joined on Day 7 then they'll need to continue on for another week. If they're eliminated before then, you win.
there. kick rocks.

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This is a list of anons who stream once every blue moon, this list will be updated as we move forward, if you wish to be included please post you name/stream profile.

>STREAMERS
VSOCK: twitch channel: professorsugoi

https://picarto.tv/N4F

https://picarto.tv/lordslump

https://picarto.tv/Papashome


Streamers, please let the thread know when you're streaming so people can join the "fun".

You can also hang out with the community on the official discord:

https://discord.gg/atc5REB

This is a library of resources some users have made for the community. Please give it a look:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3GiCtv0swalbDRCN1FYNVExWk0

>Intermission
Please compliment or give crits to your fellow lassies if you have time to spare, even if it's only one person at a time.
Lassies like to feed on mentions and attentions.

/ᐠ｡ꞈ｡ᐟ\

How many hours a day do you draw?

Don't forget to report Lava's last submission for "Wrong Thumbnail" with the comment "Please come back" or something to that effect!

http://lavaflake.com/draw/submissions/?offset=1
http://lavaflake.com/draw/submissions/?offset=1
http://lavaflake.com/draw/submissions/?offset=1
http://lavaflake.com/draw/submissions/?offset=1
http://lavaflake.com/draw/submissions/?offset=1

>but he'll get eliminated?! / he'll get mad!? / he'll shut down LAS?!?! you're going to destroy LAS!!!?!
see >>2956111

(It's important everyone votes for the same Reason "Wrong Thumbnail" otherwise there won't be enough reports if they're all spread across different Reasons)

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>>2957326
I was scared I wasn't good enough for LAS, but after taking a look at the submissions page I think I'll join.

>>2957337
But are you cute

>>2957337
Not sure if insulted

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reminder that the next thread will be our 100th LAS thread (=^･ｪ･^=)

we should do something to celebrate LAS

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>>2957342
>tfw Lava returns for the 100th LAS thread

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bondage fairy? where are you bondage fairy!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo3guau9UQw

>>2957336
fuck you, leave lava alone

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>>2957337

>>2957350
make me

>>2957336
UHHHH i just tried to report his entry but it doesnt work. every other entry can be reported though.

LAAAAVAAAAAAAA?!?!

>>2957355
although it could be i reported the entry last night and forgot about it. can someone who hasnt reported yet try it?

>>2957354
Why do you treat lava life shit? Seriously dude just fucking post your drawing everyday, the site does what it was intended to, you're not entitled to anymore features

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>>2957355
Did you think getting Lava to come back would be easy?

>>2957359
I'm not treating him like shit, point out where I did

>poof still posting meme thumbnails
the madman

>>2957362
He knows he's ignoring us, he knows what we're saying. Trying to report him to get his attention is essentially an attack to him and will only make him feel worse.
He purposely doesn't interact with us. Leave him alone

>>2957365
Oh no, an thumbnail report that won't actually harm him, woe is he.

Agemo,
Of all your sketches, why did you choose to half erase the only one with volume?
Buy a girlfriend for a better understanding of shapes.

>>2957363
>Report'd

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>>2957374
>Buy a girlfriend
if only, anon, if only

>>2957350
ShrineyCat?

Choob cant draw without a photo.

>>2957401
I'm sorry this was meant for another forum, I had both open.

>>2957368
It's the thought that counts
>>2957401
Fuck off choobposter, leave choob alone, do your drawing

I may soon retire from /las/ due to I may actually make it, but I shall return and keep in touch from time to time. - Love, Papa

>>2957432
Good luck!

>>2957432
Ganbatte, Papa-san! Do your best out there!

>>2957432
A job?

>>2957432
Amen.

>>2957418
>let's mess Lava up
>leave choob alone

>>2957432
Blogu?

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>>mess Lava up
pic related

>>2957463
bigpapa.com/

>>2957465
It's choobposter, the guy's been autistically whining about some random nobody cares about for ages and plans to do so for another 19 years, yet flips his shit out when people want to harmlessly contact the guy in charge of their website. Of course he's a retard.

>>2957475
I'm not choobposter

and from what I see messing with Lava who doesn't give a shit and respond to a baitpost of a year long shitposter who also doesn't give a shit are the same useless thing

are you a random whining newfag because I don't think old lassies actually care?

>>2957484
Sure you're not, then don't get your panties in a twist >>2957460 over shit you don't care about. I've been here since cyberpunk helmets and loomis c: drives, who the fuck are you?

>>2957503
I don't care about the website state because you can do basic shit with the website, and at worst you only need a week system lasso to make a new challenge.

I care when you're shilling mass reports on the thread for cookies and badgers.

All you have to do is keep drawing.

>>2957539
Why would you care, just keep drawing.

>>2957539
>All you have to do is keep drawing.
A M E N

>>2957539
>>2957545
>>2957551
Just... draw

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>>2957567
Already posted. Can you give me some piece of advice. Please.

>>2957539
It's also to finish the half-assed switch to the streak system. The site is useless to anyone not in a week because there's no notification when you fuck up, so there's no accountability. They might as well do it all on their own.

>>2957539
Then shut up and keep drawing you daft faggot, none of this matters to you so don't whine about the people it does matter to.

>>2957573
Still better than 54.79452...% of LAS.

>>2957573
With newcomers Vsock is now "so close to make it". Chill REEman.

>>2957348
Hello ! it is me! The Bondage Fairy!.

Chweeby

>>2957592
*jizzes pants*

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>>2957326
Aaaah, at least, an OP image that perfectly captures the feeling of being in LAS.

How exactly did Choob draw for 400 days straight and not improve at all?

>>2957571
from the looks of things, it looks like you're decent but you know you're decent with rendering
and values so you're slipping up with some basic mistakes due to carelessness. You have to look at it objectively and decide "this part is not up to my standard"

What's happening with that boob-shoulder area? it looks absolutely fucked up.

what are hands even

the left knee looks like it was aborted halfway though birth

it looks like you did a sketch with the head, then didn't properly try to make sure it is correct. the chin is too big, the jaw is absurd, the top of the head is too small compared to the bottom half, the neck seemingly connects to the torso without any definition.

My advice is that with your future pieces, spend more time sketching before rendering. Make sure everything has the right proportion, and you know where everything will go. Be patient before starting to render.If you don't fully understand the forms and anatomy of something like hands, then that's and indication that you need to study that for a bit specifically

>>2957588
Post whatever that was pls.

>>2957617
I'll certainly follow your advice and nail the human body piece by piece. Thanks!

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Hmm looks like i have to start uploading somewhere else. mixtape.moe is dying, and i kinda don't like imgur's compression. Any suggestions?

>>2957639
if you're that worried about compression go to deviantart
otherwise just get a tumblr

>>2957639
isn't there a way to upload stuff to imgur without it compressing?

>>2957639
tinypic and imageshack

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>>2957645
holy shit, imageshack still exists?

>>2957645
and photobucket

>>2957634
i belief in u

But really, try to keep some sort of 10 year objective in mind. Break it down into what you need to achieve in the next 5 years to get there, the next year, the coming weeks, and what you need to learn today.

it's not only about having perfect anatomy, but all the things you want to be able to do in the future and how you can better them now. For example, you could be better at defining forms with your lighting, which is something you can practice with anatomy.

good luck!

>>2957639
Myspace for sur. Still exist, no shitposter.

>>2957604
I guess at some point a streak is more of an embarrassment than something to be proud of.

>>2957649
Yes but it's shit. Don't use it.

>>2957667
I might make a myspace account just for the novelty of it

>>2957666
>But really, try to keep some sort of 10 year objective in mind. Break it down into what you need to achieve in the next 5 years to get there, the next year, the coming weeks, and what you need to learn today.
Who actually does this?

>>2957711
most adults, though maybe not as specific

>>2957711
chob does not

>>2957572
>They might as well do it all on their own.
I'm quite new here, don't know how others might feel but the challenge is individual either way

Is you posted something that you drew a week ago and not today, who'd know?
If you posted something that took less than 30 minutes, who'd know?
If you skipped a day or two, who'd care?

As of now all that matters is how seriously you take it. Sure new people can't get eliminated but if the goal's to get better than it doesn't matter as long as you keep working. Those long streaks are just the extra push. Highly doubt anyone's gonna beat those top runners anyway

i asked this in the old thread but are the boxes on the site misaligned at the edges for anyone else? it was just the submission and case box on the dashboard before but now im seeing it in the submission thumbnails as well.

>>2957713
Most adults know where they're gonna be in 10 years and have it broken down to the day? Sure people have a general idea of "I'd like to be doing this in 10 years" but no one actually plans all that shit out. What kind of adults do you know?
>>2957715
I know this retard does. Let me guess, you're gonna be choob posting in 10 years?

>>2957729
I feel like I have to explain this to newcomers every 3 months.

The point of LAS is to get people to draw at least 30 minutes every day, we can agree on this right?

So if you're already one of those people that already can do so without LAS then, in LAS' current state without critique and a ever slowing Community Challenge community, there is no point in being in LAS.

If you're someone who can't, however, then LAS is for you, we will look at your submission every day, and if it looks like you phoned it in and didn't draw at least 30 minutes you'll get a fire under your ass and appear in the tribunal, if the majority agree that it really is under 30 minutes then you'll get a warning and embarrassment to incentivise you to not do it again. If you cheat, and we catch you, then you'll be put on tribunal, etc. etc.
For the honest people that want to build a good habit that haven't already, LAS is for them.

For the dishonest people that will cheat and upload old work, or constantly uploaded work that looks less than 30 minutes (see Fibinochi in the archives) you'll get nothing from LAS because you're not trying to get anything from LAS. You are cheating yourself. Like if you were studying a subject and kept looking at the answer book without trying to answer the questions yourself, you're only cheating yourself. We can't stop you from cheating yourself, and that would be your fault.

I feel like I'm getting worse.

shit dog fuck man

>>2957765
Probably just your eyes' ability to notice errors outpacing your hands' ability to draw good. Keep at it and it'll even out more.

>>2957772
Yeah, it's also that I've been really busy with other things and having difficulties creating time for drawing.
Drawing while being burned out doesn't seem to work very well for me.

@6eer6dw6, please start using a bigger brush for this study. It'll be easier and has a nicer finish than filling in areas with a small brush.

>>2957432
Good luck, Papa! I hope I can work up the courage to comment on your IG art posts, one day.

>>2957750
That's what I'm saying though, I think we're in agreement. LAS helps us build that habit and because we know people will be looking at our shit we work a little more and push a little harder every day.

If you cheat you've already lost, that's why I'm saying it's individual. If you cheated you've already lost the challenge, streak or not. whether others found out about it or not, there's no reason for cheaters to continue because their numbers are meaningless.

>>2957769
You did well Soxbox.

>>2957777
It's individual for the constant cheaters, not so for the people that honestly submit or people that decide to stop cheating and be honest.

>>2957749
I generally meant to have a goal to work towards, and think about what you need to achieve to get there. Think about the different things you need to study (colour/anatomy/compostion), then think about what you can do this week to achieve those like studying the shoulder, arm, leg, feet, etc.

And then think about what you're studying today, like look at basic forms of the foot first by reading through a book and doing some exercises, then tomorrow do some studies from ref and imagination, then the day after you can do more imagination ones than ref ones.

You don't plan out each day 10 years in advance, but understanding what you need overall to achieve anime aesthetics, realistic styles, being a concept artist, being a mangaka, working in concept art, primarily doing commissions for people, animation etc, it all requires a similar path overall, but exactly what you aim for in the next 5 years, year, month, and what you put yourself to today is in your hands.

a lot of artists get lost along the way, but thinking about it like this can really bring you back to reality and help you to decide what needs to be done right now to stay on track

>>2957326
Quick, what do I draw?

>>2957791
you're mom

>>2957786
Am I being misread or am I misreading?

Either way I'm sure we're on the same page regarding daily submissions and what this challenge means for us.

>>2957750
> one of those people that already can do so without LAS
T-T thanks for letting me know

>>2957775
thanks man

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>>2957809
>one of those people LAS can do without

>>2957810
CHOOBPOSTER???

>>2957791
Flowers.

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>>2957810
ehehe, thanks, however, freedom :3c

>CHALLENGE. WHEN?

>>2957809
I use as a way to chart my progress, I always liked how Robogabo kept posting studies everyday on CA.org for several years. He didnt need to but its helpful for people who want to see how he evolved.

>>2957822
I'm aiming for 100 days. Then I'll kill myself so that I won't get stuck in some evil spiral of shallow 1-day drawings.
Only 1 month to go!

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>>2957639

Hmm just checked and some of my mixtape.moe links are dead. I don't know if i want to be happy that some of the shitty drawings are gone or not.

>>2957825
M-maiq?!

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>>2957825

>Not grinding your skills until you're good enough to paint good stuff in couple of hours

>>2957592
yay

Do you think the bondage fairy stalker anon knows about her lewds?

that was really close fluff

>>2957879
I had more than a minute left to submit today, I've been a lot closer than that.

>>2957829
I always keep them saved on my comp so I can look back in the far future and measure progress.

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Lava had a rough life. Memes aside, it sucks that he's so sick. Poor lad.

hello I am choobposter#2 here filling in for choobposter#1 and I'd like to say:

c h e w b

>>2957958
What did he mean by this

>>2958024
hello chumposter#2 filling in for chumposter#1 and I'd like to say:

c h o o m

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So, I did my first topic drawing today.... sh-should I keep going?

>>2958114
y-yeah you can do it anon! j-just be ready for topic hell as you progress and keep topic drawing

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>tfw finally reach a point where I think my work is starting to look passable
>tfw just snapped out of it and realized that it looks like high school tier trash
How much longer must I endure this suffering? Why does life play these cruel jokes on me?

>>2958150
pull the trigger and end it anon

>fell asleep and missed a day
>nothing happened

>>2957334
0.49

>>2958150
can you post an example of your work

>>2958150
lol i had pretty much the same thought last day
then i saw some YCH art on furaffinity and felt better

>>2958163
I just might
>>2958182
I would but then you might be able to tell who I am. Just to give you an idea tho, I'm not the worst person on LAS but I'm below average tier and haven't improved in the past ~6 months.
>>2958186
There's some pretty good shit on there too tho. Furfags attract some pretty skilled artists since they shell out so much cash.

>when you compliment/mention a lassie in the threads but they don't respond
Why don't people come to the breads? There's a couple W1s that don't even come.

>>2958231
maybe they saw your post but choose to remain distant and misterious

>>2957327
I'd love to see this piece finished. :3

>>2957831
How did you know?????

>>2957832
If only amphetamine was legal.

>>2958246
You're Maiq, we have to know!

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>>2958248
Oh, okay!

>>2957790
Thank you for this post anon

You're right. One that wants to get better at a particular subject must set clear goals to achieve it. I'm starting to think of a path now, my biggest problem will probably be sticking to it.

I can't even stick with an idea for uploads. I tell myself "Today's x day" hours before I get to draw, but then end up doing something else entirely.

>>2958175
email Lava at [email protected] blah blah :)

Booch

>>2958298
great show.

>>2958252
imo the best way to have a goal to stick to is to think about what it is that you really want, deep down. Like, autistic kid want.

My goal is to be the best porn artist, Obviously that's impossible and completely subjective but that's the point! it makes me look for things I think are the "best" and I learn from that to improve, but

It sounds silly, but it gives me motivation to work hard every day and stay on track so it works for me

>>2957820
What about drawing for 30 minutes during 10 days?

>>2958330
Your advice is simple yet helpful, thanks again.
I often feel like I have to much to learn and that I want to do and try many things at once, which makes everything confusing. But looking at this that way makes things clearer.

>>2957820
I like that draw your genderbent self idea.
That or something more exercise-based like draw x for 10 days (50 faces, hands, etc. Need to settle on a subject)

>>2957820
>>2958391
Why not several challenges running at the same time?

1- Genderbent
2- A collab. I liked the last supper /las/ version.
3- Something more challenging, with more constraints. In exemple, draw x scenery, with x artist style. In my opinion we will learn more this way.

Exercises-based are, well, exercises not challenge. They bring barely no one and usually out of the 5 entrants, only 2 posts half assed drawing. Also, exercises is what you do on a daily basis, no? But why not.

>>2958391
>>2958409
I'd create/join an exercise-based challenge to grind something out for a week or so, whether it's anatomy, environments, still lifes, or just bringing a bunch of ideas through the thumbnailing/sketch phase to polish at a later time.

>>2958417
Alea jacta est.
Create an exercise challenge.

Some proposals:
- Hands, classic and usefull.
- 1 environments, but at differents time of the day, seasons. Propose like 3 refs for everyone.
- Thumbnails. Each one draw a thumb the first day. Next day until the end you "improve" other entrants thumbnails. This way you can draw a minimum of two thumbnails or an infinity.
- Boxes. At the beginning, everyone who want, draw two boxes representing pelvis and thoracic cage. Then, lassies draw figures according to those boxes.

Your turn.

Also, last supper challenge seems nice.

>>2957326
I challenge you all to not submit for a day
Whoever submits loses automatically
GO!

>>2958437
I lost D:

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New challenge!

http://lavaflake.com/draw/community/?id=89
http://lavaflake.com/draw/community/?id=89
http://lavaflake.com/draw/community/?id=89

>>2958450
Will this have pairs rolled once the challenge begins or will participants select the character that they do in their style as they like?

>>2958450
How do we enter both our character and the redraw? Do we just update the submission with the second one pasta'd in later?

>>2958472
You have to draw the character of the user below you on the list
>>2958479
Imgur album, new image containing both drawings... your choice

>>2958503
But what if you are the last on the list?

>>2958513
...i assume you do the first one on the list. who's gonna do that one otherwise

>>2958513
wrap around and do the first person!

>>2958516
>>2958517
But what if no one is the last on the list?

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>>2958518

>>2958518
w-whoa

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>>2958518

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>>2958516
>>2958517
>mfw, when i must draw rad character.

>>2958523
What, I have to draw rad character

>>2958523
>>2958525
I thought the list would be randomly generated once the deadline for joining passes?

>>2958527
Is it? I assumed it was by join order

>>2958527
>>2958527
>Grab the character of the next person on the entrants list and draw it on your own style.
so nope. though that would be better desu, like the comic collab

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>>2958525
Pic is a gift for you.

>>2958527
It would be smarter. Otherwise people will enter and get out of the contest regarding who will draw who.

>>2958531
I-I'm not sure what that means

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For those who missed it.

>>2958562
I'm fucked.

>>2958562
Alright, time to stop low efforting and go all out. Now I'll show you my true power!

>>2958523
holy shit, when did Rad came back?

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>>2958571
>yfw Proko was hiding his imagination power level all along

>>2958562
Whoever is doing the tiers should attach their work, so we can see how seriously we take it.

>>2958579
Probably a couple shitters desu.

>>2958579
doubt they will

>>2958579
Choob

>>2958572
Xe only appears once every time xe gets cucked by xis bf. Give respect with the R button. Otherwise not gonna make it.

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>>2958562

>yfw you have been out of your comfort zone really long time now

I should have just done easy studies to look like a pro

>>2958604
Hello, newcomer here. Can you show me what is the difference between what you consider a easy study and a not so easy study?

Do you think Chobs parents are ashamed of him?

>>2958531
>>2958572
Care to share recent works of Rad?
The one you posted is tier 3.

Finlayheati will not deliver as per usual. I guess, by his presence, he closed the participiation. Thank you Fin. Perkele!

Who's the best lassie, and why is it Lokki?
(I forgot my avatar, sorry lads.)

>>2958638
If someone doesn't post a character, you can just draw the character of the next in line.

>>2958642
Neat!
Can you add this specification in the rules so that everyone know it?

>>2958641
>

>>2958644
Oh sorry, I didn't make the challenge. I'm not even in it. It just seemed like a simple and obvious solution

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Papa- The color scheme you used here looks very odd, may I suggest making the sky a more pure and vibrant blue? Some more yellow green highlights might also help pull the landscape together.

Lokki- Absolutely lovely legs you drew there. As for the anime girls, their poses seem very stiff, and the girl on the left seems to be just staring into space. For next time around, maybe give them more relaxed poses that better convey the two's relationship! It seems to be romantic, but the rigidness of the characters makes them both look a little uncomfortable with each other rather than relaxed and amiable.

Hman- Alright start and edges so far, but push those values! This is something I see consistently in your art, you never stray too far from your middle-grey tones! Don't be afraid to go really dark where you need to.

Kirikae- Edge control! You need more hard edges! Having soft edges on everything makes the image just look out of focus, don't be afraid to clearly define your lines and shapes!

HumanBean- Interesting sketch, but I feel the messy hatching/crosshatching is really holding it back. I'd say this goes for a lot of your work, actually. The rougness of the drawing looks sloppy instead of intentional, so perhaps either try to be tighter with your linework, or really embrace the messiness for stylistic effect!

Whizzard- Cute character design so far, but the shading looks very dull. Looking through your previous works, it seems you were inspired by George Kamitani? If that's the case, try going more vibrant with your shading. Additionally, it's just generally to start adding the darker tones for shading early on, rather than starting from the lightest midtones, because it helps define your values and forms faster.

Mistwalker- Looking cute so far, though you should double check your values. Maybe try incorporating some deep blue greens into the shadows of those hills. I assume you plan to add some nice, dark shadows on the girl later, if not get on that!

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>>2958673
keep going

>>2958685
You suck. Next!

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>>2958685
I'm going as fast as I can, anon! These things take time c:

>>2958673
VuSta- Cute duck boy. The connections between the shoulders and arms/wings look very strange, I'm really not sure what kind of pose/gesture you were trying to convey. The shading seems flat as well, go darker with some of those shadows and down't forget about reflected/ambient lighting! Also, brush up on bird wing anatomy, so you can better design your duck-furry arms better!

Finlayheathi- Your faces are better from last time I saw them! Is this one from reference or imagination? Whatever it is, keep it up. And while you do still need major work on your anatomy, your landscapes are actually rather nice.

Rorg- The shading is very dull, let's change up some of the hues in there, why don't we? Look into color zones of the face, and avoid just making your shading tones grayer versions of the main colors. You seem to have a good grasp of anatomy/rendering, look into color theory some more.

InvalidDavid- Those are some pretty nicely done bedsheets for humanized MLP muscle erotica? I see some light shading, but it's very faint, give those forms some more definition! Additionally, Applejack's feet look very flat.

Juniper- Pretty alright so far! You can convey froms with rough brushstrokes well, though you should practice drawings figures in perspective some more. The girl's torso seems long in the picture where she's looking up, and her arms look a bit flat.

Bandit- Kawaii <3

Jeremias- Good to see you doing stuff other than perspective studies! The form of the demon's head looks weird, though. The contour lines of the cheek don't seem to quite match up with the hatching, the hatching indicates a spherical shape while the contour lines seem to indicate a flatter shape. Same with a lot of the other hatching on the drawing, it seems like your drawing the lines without thinking about the 3D shape of the cartoon would look like. You'd done all these perspective studies, now put them to use!

>>2958638
Sorry; I'll leave the challenge if you want - you're probably right

>>2958707
wew

>>2958714
wew

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>>2958707

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>>2958706
Thanks anon for taking the time for all these critcs!
I guess I wanted some sort of an awkward drying pose as he steps out of the pool but didn't realy gave enough tought to it. Good advice on the shading / wings too, I suck at values/colors atm. With the wing designs I got lazy indeed, I think I can do better.
I love how they did them in leafy:

>>2958638
This is a no bully zone.

>>2958739
VuSta is Korean?

>>2958706
pbts- Looking better from that last wip. Let's try to start sharpening things up now, won't we? The hand still looks very rough, maybe try pushing those delicate curves of the fingers some more.

CRT- Your range of subject matter is very narrow, you draw a lot of demon grils in b/w facing to the left. Vary it up! Draw demon girls in action poses, draw demon boys, try digitally painting some of your sketches! Push yourself! Do some more figure studies as well to improve your anatomy so you can draw demon girls in even cuter poses.

Nemori- Very nice so far! The little boy looks a teensy bit derpy, though, play around with his face some more, exaggerate the smile!

Stanley- Nice sketch, you really captured the character well.

Louse- Good face studies! The boobs of the lady in the middle look a little close together, though.

Poof- Good studies, now apply them! Studies are easier to remember if you try to apply them as you learn them, so go get onto drawing some faces and necks! Also, stop with the meme thumbnails, you beast.

Hid- Good gestures, though you could push the poses on some of them some more. Think about how you convey actions/emotions with your gestures.

Coinhero- Noice, you could probably even make that blood a little darker if you wanted to.

Fuza- Exaggerate your gestures! They're looking stiff, go looser with your strokes!

Saori- I feel that cartoony style you were playing with really isn't working, you got girls with sexy anime body and Family Guy/Adventure time esque faces. Experiment some more, find a cartooning style of your own. Also, the eyes on your less-cartoony girls tend to be a bit high on the face and close together, maybe reevaluate your facial proportions?

PerspectivelyIn- Interesting, though you defnitely add more definition to the forms. I'm really not sure where the dude's arms are supposed to be under that cloak, and whatever pose I try to piece together gives me either an awkward arm pose or baby arms.

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>>2958739
wait so was my hunch right that it's bishounen duck from leafie?

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>>2958747
Nyra- Don't forget, fire is literally luminescent, let those flames glow bright and hot!

SoxBox- Fairly realistic face with anime eyes... yeah, it honestly isn't working for me. These two sets of features would work well separately, but not together, How about you try simplifying the rest of the facial features too? You con't have to change the proportions too much, just ditch some of the details?

Seffy- Very cute! The proportions seem strange though, the arms are very short. Maybe play around with cartoony exaggerated proportions as well, I feel like characters such as this one could benefit from having very exaggerated bodies.

I hope these crits are actually helpful! I'm not a great artist myself, but I think I have a decent eye and I want to help :(

>>2958747
also want to say thanks a heap for taking the time to actually go through all these!
I appreciate it a lot and will take the feedback into account!

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>>2958739
I see what you were going for! I think the reason that rooster's wings work is because the first few primaries are simplified into a hand like structure, while the rest are merged into a single shape. Wings are a bitch to draw, just keep practicing!

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It's heavily inspired it as I rewatched the movie recently and absolutely love the character designs.

>>2958771
*inspired by it
>>2958767
thanks! saved
I draw a lot of birds, I'll try to come up with something cool for the next one

what do you guys think about niggers?
I don't like them very much :)

>>2958782
God damn anon don't make me get a fucking tripcode :^)

>>2958782
! how could you say such things VuSta!? :O

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>>2958782
You sound like a bro.

Poob

>>2958782
They are fine, except for Nyra and Rydwin.

>>2958644
Done.

>>2958796
oh we have niggers in laS????
whats next? spics? Gsus christ...

>>2958833
Spic/furry/anime fanboi (not trap tho) reporting in.
What are you?

>>2958843
godamit i thought i was the only one

>>2958844
Hi Cath & Nemori.
Strawpoll about /las/ population, when?

>>2958851
you can make one any time

>>2958851
Why not now?

>>2958759
It's always usefull to take crits you give to other and apply it to yourself. Thanks.

>>2958851
>>2958853
>>2958854
http://www.strawpoll.me/12851961

>>2958859
:^)

>>2958859
kek

who is your favorite furry lasso?

>>2958886
how many are there anyways

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>>2957326
dont be a race traitor
http://www.strawpoll.me/12852148

>>2958901
not enough

>>2958901
>can't choose more than one
>be a mongrel
Thanks.

>>2958904
I'm sorry for your loss.

>>2958901
who the fuck voted other? what are you ????

>>2958901
>first chink chonk to report in

Where my fellow chinks at

FYI I am korean, but dont be too shy. Im very understanding if you are a lesser asian

>>2958908
A Lemur.

>>2958908
Australian

>>2958901
at the very least there should be 50 votes
someone post it in the discord too

>>2958908
>tfw no ayylmao lassie gf

>>2958915
that's if people want to vote

>>2957326
another other
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2958919
>tfw youre asian but youre not cool enough to be east asian
:(

>>2958909
:^)

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>tfw people are more concerned with race than your submission

>>2958921
Poo in loo?

>>2958925
Sure, it's always good to know that the poor level of actual /las/ is due to race.

>>2958921
I feel you, familia.
>tfw people made fun of you about it and not in a banter way

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>>2958926
Indonesian

>>2958929
MAKASSAR
A
K
A
S
S
A
R

>>2958901
It would be fun to know where everyone is from.

Maiq here. Sweden.

>>2958901
>no amerifags
What the fuck all you fucking liars

>>2958938
did you check the box that said negro or other?

>>2958942
American isn't really a race tho. You could be black, white or brown but still be american so it doesn't tell you much.

>>2958955
ur mom lol

>>2958759
'Nother round for today's new entries!

TekkyJSKURT- Nice studies, though you have some weirdness with your foreshortening, particularly in the arms of the two top right drawings. Looking through your previous work, I'm wondering, are studies all you do or do you ever make completed pieces?

Cath- Continue practicing your figure drawing and anatomy! Honestly, I prefered the more stylized drawings you did yesterday to these, as they're getting a bit into the uncanny valley zone. I think some Hampton could help you, as these bodies look very flat, particularly the muscular woman's arms. Remember to draw the volume of the body, not just the contour!

jbrennan- Pretty face, the forehead is rather large though and the left eye is very messy.

HouseOfFolkung- Your lines are looking rather hairy, and I feel that's holding your pencil sketches back. Remember, focus on doing long, smooth strokes.

Tabascoshrimp- very dynamic, I like, there's something off about some of the proportions, though... I think some of the torsos are a tad long?

JerryBreem- If you're doing this as a value study, go a lot darker with those blacks. Grab yourself a box of artist's pencils if you can and pull out some soft lead!

Headake- Lovely portrait as always, though I see you getting very rough with the body. Post some more full bodies, man!

Poon- Nice

Beanhead- Cute demon girl, though her butt looks off. For her to be doing that pose comfortable, her butt should be a more faced to the side, rather than towards the viewer.

Naf- Good shit

Saucy- That's a lot of red you got going on there, how's about some darker colors to balance out the composition? perhaps you could make the character darker too to make them stand out from the background.

ComfyDraw- I kind of like your scribbly shading style, but I think you could go further with it. Experiment with conveying a wider range of values with scribbly shading! Additionally, brush up on leg anatomy, yours look a bit swollen and rotund!

>>2958956
If this poll was really just supposed to be race yurofags and amerifags shouldve been grouped together

>>2958959
Thank you for looking at people's works and commenting, Crit-anon!

>>2958938
Please be Malmö

>>2958956
I put other but I guess I coulda also put American depending on how people are interpreting it.

>>2958963
Thank god no. Skåne = worst country.

>>2958909
kys bandit

t. another chink chonk

>>2958978
lol not me i'm not korean

>>2958982
what race are you then? You look asian in your Meet the artists and you drew those cats in korean outfit so I assumed

>>2958978
Asians are not this gay. Come on.

>>2958833

I'm really surprised that folks haven't noticed me yet, but I guess it's because I come off as a borderline pollack.

>look at that man with a trump hat, fuckin baaased

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>>2958984
pic related. cats are in korean outfits since it's a bday gift for a friend who's korean lol
>>2958985
same

Asians are generally the higher tier lassies.

>tfw negro
>tfw will never be born asian
:(

>>2958989
>tfw asian but people only recognize one type of asian so I don't know what to identify as

>>2958929
have you ever seen a stinging tree, anon?

>>2958929
fucking wikihow

>>2958990
>tfw asian
>have to meet a higher standard for art to be seen as 'good'

>>2958989 is right.
Proof >>2957353
Everyone between tier 8-10 is asian. Except Mathias who is genderfluid.

>>2959008
>Everyone between tier 8-10 is asian
that's wrong you retard

>>2959008
>Except Mathias who is genderfluid.
kek

>>2958929

Your film industry is starting to have good kino(cinema). I liked The Raid 2, Killers, and Headshot.

>>2959013
Wie spät ist es?

>>2959008
lamp's an aussie

>>2958989
>tfw asian and gonna make it

>>2959017
>implying Aussies aren't Asian

>>2959021
They wish

>>2959016
viertel vor eins

>>2959021
G'ching chong!

Half spic half ching chong, what do?

>>2959035
other

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>>2957374
I'm a selfish man, Anon.

I dont understand what im drawing. I'll never truly understand anything.

Sorry.

>>2959035
kill yourself of course :)

it's the worst combination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNj1yGVhf_Q#t=17m48s
>Sycra: "All right... err... do you have the ligameme??"

wtf. i cant believe lava posted before i did

i really like your submission today nessiefynn, there's something really appealing about their expression. while im here i'll also add that i really liked your comic stuff from a few days (weeks?) back. youve got a lot of potential, keep it up!

Name a lassie who hasn't improved in months

>>2959091
me

>>2959091
lava is still doing lines

>>2959091
>take the battle royale picture
>select a random uncrossed name

there you got it

>>2959045
Someone tl;dw this video about what he means about resetting the mind.

>>2958959
Thank you very much, man.

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>>2957588
i just wanted to shitpost and i goofed by mistake

>>2959096
FAKE NEWS. Bondage fairy has improved buckets

>>2959094
And he'll be doing the best damn lines in the industry when he's done. No one understands the true power of lines except for lava. He can really tell a story ya know? I look at some pros like iain mccaig and there lines are just so boring, lavas lines bring in so much life and story into his work.

>>2959101
I don't know why, but this post got me really mad.

>>2959104
Because it's something lava probably believes is true

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Tekky, the shoulder rotates back when you lift your arm. They way you drew it (the left shoulder of the leftmost sketch) has the shoulder bending upward. it looks unnatural

>>2959100
sure BondageFairyStalker

http://lavaflake.com/draw/tribunal/?id=23
>those comments
LAS is so sweet ;w;

>>2959110
>I can't vote if I'm not an active lassie
>I'm an active lassie
What this?

>>2959112
a bug that lava should fix if he comes back

>>2959110
>tfw lava's latest post says to kill him
What did he mean by this?

>tfw the new generation of lassies is rebelling against lava
>tfw lava knew this would happen so he destroyed the week system and took all the power away from newer members
>tfw the only people with any power in las are the old fags and they wouldn't betray him
5d checkers

>>2959112
You need the blessing of God (Lava).

>>2959097
He's fed up of politics and all the news lately
Goes to Japan
Doesn't see any more news feds
Is impressed by Japanese dedication to their craft
Realizes it's pointless to get sucked into politics cause he can't do anything about it and it's ultimately a waste of his time
Realizes his time is better spent just focusing on his craft
Gets re-inspired by Kim Jung Gi and sees that getting to KJG's level is possible
New found focus on art while cutting off facebook feeds and other distractions

>>2959120
oldfag here, I "betrayed" him, it's for his own good

>>2959125
Oh shit, Sycra has a point. I think I waste more time reading the news and politics than drawing. But how will I find anything to talk about with people?

>>2959131
It was Jet from the JettyJetShow, but Sycra and Bobmeatbag where in the discussion as well and agreeing with him.

>>2959131
>But how will I find anything to talk about with people?
talk about art and the pursuit of gittung gud?

>>2959131
>>2959134
>devoting your life to literally only the grind
I disagree with this, especially if the art you want to produce is illustrative or at all conceptual.

>>2959131
You could always try to be an interesting person with your own personality choob.

>>2959131
Tell them /ic/ memes

>>2959136
that's why I have videos playing in the background so I'm not a complete hermit

>>2959140
>hey anon, what are you wroking on right now
>show them merc wip
>holy shit that's good!
>n-no wait, t-that's a m-meme
>what? god, fuck off

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another las day has passed

>>2958989
What was Fmmood?

>>2959188
It passed like an hour ago.

>>2959131

I'm lucky because my political side has a lot of lengthy radio shows that last over one hr. Helps with grindin a lot.

>>2959190
polski

>>2958959
I havent really done a finished piece, no. At most I do something that has very basic coloring in it, or maybe I go over the lines with another layer, but nothing beyond that. I am working on something right now that I plan to spend at least more than one day on though, so hopefully it'll show in the work.

>>2959107
Thats it, I was looking at my shoulder when I was drawing that and I just couldnt make sense of it. Guess its a sign of what I need to look into. Looking at my shoulder now when I lift it, it really does rotate back, I really need to start looking at the back more too, especially the shoulder blade area, Im missing a lot of info on it.

>>2958959
Some more~
I might skip a few people because I'm getting tired, sorry!

Merumera- Right now you've got a very rough gesture and scene laid out, let's define those volumes a little better! I'm assuming this is a painting study, so try not to just copy what you see in the painting, but also consider how and why the objects look that way. You got some very rough arms and a leaning cylinder, think about the actual forms of the objects and why they make the shapes of the shadows they have.

Pijin- The details look nice as always, but Robin's legs look detached from his body. I really do enjoy your art, but I've seen a lot of recurring anatomy issues. Perhaps you should slow down your drawing process and refine your figures some more before you dive on into adding clothing and details.

boygivingup- Two main things you can work on- making your linework more intentional and volumes. Your linework is extremely messy here, and the smudged parts don't really help, especially with the cleaner hatching thrown in as well. In a perfect world, every line you draw should have a purpose, so rather than just scribbling out an outline think each line through. What is each line trying to convey?

Pernix- Lol, cute concept. As is, though, the colors are very dull and uninteresting. Don't be afraid of bright and saturated colors! It's harder to get strong value/hue contrast when you limit yourself to dark desaturated colors, give use something bright and shiny to look at, shed some light on this faerie!

Aruvee- Cute Baphomet lady! The folds on her skirt-thing look very weird though, they don't seem to actually wrap around her legs or be affected by gravity. Additionally,female abs tend to me more slender than male abs, so keep that in mind too next time!

>>2959269
I was retarded enough to paint this on a midtone desaturated green, every color was skewed, and I couldn't even see colors properly after the 40 minutes I worked on it.
I looked at a wall I knew to be grey and I would see it purple.
Not that that is an excuse for my colors always being shit.

>>2959260
You should really consider making some completed pieces. Honestly, your fundamentals are in a pretty good place right now, much better than mine, Push yourself to spend more than just a day on a piece! Making a finished work is very different from just doing sketches, and it's something you have to practice before you get good at. I really think the sooner you start polishing up some of your works, the better.

>>2958673
>drawing looks sloppy instead of intentional
yeah. I just sorta start scribbling without a rough sketch or idea and then some random shit pops out. Then I give up on hatching after a few minutes and rush it so it ends up looking sloppy like you said. I'll try to plan more in the future + be more deliberate with my strokes. Maybe study some people who actually know what they're doing too.

Thank you for the advice.

>>2959274
I agree, I think doing finished pieces will be a whole other challenge that I need to expose myself to eventually, might as well start now. I think I've mainly been avoiding complete pieces because outside of the anatomy I know, my overall lack of knowledge and know how on practically everything else is very poor. But I just really need to bite the bullet and shoot for it. I've been doing little thumbnails of ideas every once and while, but I need to go beyond that. Thanks for the push.

>>2959071
Thank you! I've been feeling more pleased with my art lately and I'm going to try to keep improving!

chob

>>2959269
thank you! yea, I really had no idea what I was doing with the clothing, I just put random lines everywhere lol... as for the body, I tried to base it off Levi's baphomet, which had intersex features (not sure if I did a good job of portraying that anyways, though...)
but anyways, thanks so much for the critique! I really appreciate the amount of feedback you gave to us

Are (non-legacy) captchas getting weirder and weirder for anyone else? I just got one asking to identify whiteboards.

What is Google trying to teach its AI?

>>2959332
Are you getting a repeat of the same image? Google has been doing that to me. Their captcha does sometimes just switch to random objects to trip you up though. Although, it seems Google has realized the most difficult ones are buildings, signs and vehicles, and so that's all I get.

>>2959332
The ones that I get 90% of the time (and fail 90% of the time) are the street sign ones. Is there some hidden tech for street sign captchas?

>>2959021
Sweating bc Asian who lived in Aus entire life

>>2959344
Pretty those are for Google Maps' Streetview or an expansion of some sort. Same with the store front selections.

>>2959336
Hm, I can't really tell if they're the same image, but yeah, I get buildings, signs, and vehicles, too. Sometimes I get oceans or mountains. Whiteboard is just totally offbeat, though.

>>2958706
>Rorg
Yeah this is a good point, hue shifting of any kind is completely missing. I will add this to the to-do. Thank you for taking the time to comment on my work and the other works!

>>2958706

Thank you for taking the time to give so many crits, you a real mvp.

Yeah, I have to admit, I was really auto piloting through yesterday, so I was not really thinking in general.

>>2959438
Jeremias can do perspective on autopilot? That's impressive.

>>2958673
<3 you anon, thanks for the crits!

>>2958707
Come back and deliver.

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>Artist's excuse:
>They didn't defend theirself
>They didn't defend theirself
>They didn't defend theirself

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>plan a nice relaxing visit to your really old grandma
>She starts suddenly speaking about family related things you didn't know about
>mfw I have secret cousins

Question: If i set up a challenge that was a copy of the original comic challenge that Lava removed, would people join it?

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>>2959681
Plot twist!

Tell me more. Are incest and murder included?

>>2959686
Newbie here.
What's the challenge?

>>2959689
The original challenge was to make a polished 10-page mini-comic in 20 days. 10 days for roughs, 10 days for good copy.

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>>2958959
>Lovely portrait as always
t-thank you senpai

>>2959691
10 pages for each lassie?

I'll join, sure. But my track record for finishing comics are complete shit. So I'll probably fail like crazy.

Just please do it after the current challenge.

>>2959687

Honestly I have no idea. There's seemingly no reason why they kept it secret.

>>2959687
They succeed in life, i'm on a chinese muppet email chain.

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>>2959687
>tfw will never incest my incredibly attractive cousin

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>>2959332
>>2959336
>>2959344
Google seems to have a hard on for this sign.

>>2959269
thanks critanon

>character swap #2
>cant even dream about rendering as well as the lassie below me.

I-I'll try not to disappoint you senpai. Please give me a cute grill to draw.

>>2959815
I will not deceive you Nessiefynn!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpe9cMjFJ6E

vsock what have you done?

Please don't say anything about LAS or we are going to get flooded by autists

>>2959847
what have you DONNNEEEEEEEEEE

>>2959847
Jesus fucking christ, the Wendy's shit aside this video is the most obnoxious shit I've ever seen. How can people watch this.

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WE WHERE SUPPOSED TO KEEP A LOW PROFILE VSOOOOOOOOCK

it's cool, just in time for lava to come back! (^:

vsock would never betray us... r-right?

>>2959887
vsock is my waifu

This thread severely lacks Choob-postings.

>>2959847
I'm not gonna watch all this. Where is LAS mentioned?