CLASSICAL PAINTING THREAD

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Sculpture is fine too

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>Bitch, swerve
>nigga r u serious
>r u listening to this motherfucker
>shh don't say that

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>>2951592
>tfw no marble gf

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>>2951983
Will our waifus come to life if we work hard enough?

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Bringing dat Gentileschi grindhouse.

>>2951572
How did the Old Niggers get such good value transitions? I can never seem to get them right, but these painting are flawless. Was it the medium, or did they have a common way of doing it? Ive always wanted to paint like them, but never have managed to approach their skill with values

>>2952053
Intense training for years underneath masters who can paint better than people today, keen observation and painting from life, and some theory as well to tweak things to look better. They often also did varying degrees of preparatory sketches first to solve a lot of things before moving on to the final image.

>>2952053

Maybe I'm a dumb nigger but can you elaborate what you mean by value transitions? Do you mean like contrast or something else?

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classical refers to greek, not renaissance fyi

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>>2952053
Very large paintings in oil, but medium does not matter.
There really is no trick to it, just keen observation and practice.
>https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/

>>2951991
i want to read greek mythology now, do you know any editions with good illustrations?

>>2952090
>Very large paintings in oil
>posts a watercolor
I like your style

>>2952053
Grisaille, sometimes a greenish variety. If you go to the Quebec Museum of Art, you can see an unfinished fresco in grisaille.

>>2952311
i think rather than grisaille specifically you just mean tonal underpainting, n'est-ce pas?

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>>2952311
If it's a grisaille in fresco, it may have been done to look like that. I know that people site Andrea del Sarto's grisaille frescoes as proof that old masters, particularly the Renaissance, did complete tonal underpainting, but the frescoes actually are intended to look that way.

Most of them surely did underdrawing and underpainting, but a lot of times, the render isn't done in underpainting, as the practitioners of the "seven layers" meme will tell you.

>>2952080
Classicism refers to a set of ideas, which is the traditional usage of the term, though people today just use it for pre-modernism. Using "classical art" to refer to Greek art, specifically of the "classical Greek period" is much more modern from when ancient art became subdivided into such and such groups through modern archeology.

>>2952746
>I know that people site Andrea del Sarto's grisaille frescoes as proof that old masters,
cite*

>>2951598
Ha!

>>2952053
I agree with others that they had great skill. But, they also had great materials, much better than the paints we have today.

>>2952053
A small number of different ways, but quite different than the methods taught today.

Mediums vary quite a lot.

>>2952746
Yes, I said 'fresco' but I forget whether it was a cartoon made for transfer or something else along those lines. It basically depicts early Canadian politicians. It was marvellous and apparently complete. I should find an image of it.

>>2952770
>But, they also had great materials, much better than the paints we have today.
Except they didn't? Science and chemistry has advanced a ton in the last century. Old masters would mix up literally anything that had colour and put it with some vegetable oil. There are loads of paintings that are completely faded because the pigments weren't archival, or are cracking like hell. Turns out Asphalt Black is a bad idea. There's been some less common but very insane paints used too like Mummy Brown which was ground up Egyptian mummies, and Indian Yellow which was made from concentrated cow urine. Hell, in the Renaissance they had a whole branch of painting that centered around switching colours as you switch values since they couldn't maintain any saturation otherwise. Now rather than mixing your own paint and guessing at what will work, there's actual science behind it, we have artificially created pigments that are more stable or more intensely coloured, better ingredients in paints, better understandings of what makes something archival or toxic etc. We also have more choice in terms of supports and brushes as well.

>>2952892
The old masters had access to more rare materials, like lapis lazuli. Those materials are all used up now, and what's left of them is extremely expensive. Additionally, the more vibrant colors made from toxic materials like lead are no longer allowed to be sold these days.

All modern chemistry and science has given us is a generation of cheap, crappy mass produced paints, designed so the company gets the maximum profit, not so the artist has the best colors.

>>2952901
We've synthesized ultramarine though. You are full of shit if you think the old masters had better materials than us. Maybe it's better than the cheap low end grade stuff you can buy now, but if you want quality today and are willing to pay for it the materials will be of a higher level than what old masters had.

>>2952892
>Old masters would mix up literally anything that had colour and put it with some vegetable oil.
Linseed oil is great though, especially with lead. There are actually other vegetable oils that are recently used more that aren't as stable as linseed oil, but there is the claim that they yellow less, and the scientific research still isn't definite.

>Turns out Asphalt Black is a bad idea.
Asphalt is quite late, from when the renaissance and baroque practices began to fade from memory, and later artists tried to recreate what they thought was the secrets of their old masters.

>they had a whole branch of painting that centered around switching colours as you switch values
Just because they used cangiante in coloring to avoiding unsaturated hues, does not mean that hues mixed up today are more saturated. It's a stylistic approach used primarily for draperies anyway. It derives from shot fabrics. In many cases the colors are not even of the same color family, as in shot fabric, and is also used for iconographic reasons, or if it's painted in fresco, like on a ceiling far away from the viewer. It still is a valid approach to painting certain objects if you want to keep your shadows very bright and saturated. They were completely capable of rendering things in good color without using this technique.
> Now rather than mixing your own paint and guessing at what will work, there's actual science behind it
They didn't just guess at what will work. There's centuries of practical first-hand tradition about pigments.

They knew about toxic pigments as well as lightfastness. The one thing we have definitely better however is a selection of magenta and violet pigments. It's also important to note there are still old paintings that used lake pigments that still retain their color.

A lot of the paints we have now are indeed better though, but mostly better for alla prima because a lot of the new paints are manufactured to suit that technique which is now more popular.

>>2951572
sauce?

>>2952746
Sheeit I didn't know that, that's cool

>>2951956
there is nothing more beautifull then this type of face for me. i see it used many times in old paintings, but never met or saw a girl that has a similar type of face. is this because they drew idealased harmonious face? or people were actually this beautifull back than? this face has eternal grace, it stuns me.

>>2953017
It's because most painters couldn't afford to hire real female models enough to do full paintings with, so they used their assistants (often young boys) to fill in for the gender netural parts like the face.

>>2953030
That's a boug. Bouguereau could afford and used female models. He did idolize them though

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>>2953017
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>>2953050
It's influenced by ancient sculpture. Bouguereau did use models from southern Italy supposedly. Probably with mind that in history that area is written to have been inhabited by Greeks. But I think a lot of the idealist type of old masters and later painters designed using imagination from years of acclimating to the maniera antica. Certainly their choice of model if used and the way they drew them are influenced by ancient art.