Wei Feng vs. Ruan Jia

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Wei Feng's piece

well I know Ruan Jia more than this guy so I guess Ruan Jia is the more accomplished artist

>>2929508
It's obvious RJ is better. He also came up with the style whereas Wei Feng is just copying it.

>>2929510
Ruan Jia feels more raw, Wei Feng feels more academic. It's tough, Ruan Jia's work has great form definition, but Wei Feng seems to know more what he's doing.

>>2929530
I'm not talking about style, I'm talking about skill.

>>2929533
Yes but style and skill go hand in hand. You develop a style through your skill. If you just copy a style it is less skillful and also you probably are just taking superficial qualities of it instead of really owning it.

Just look at the thumbnails of the two images and it's clear RJ's is far superior. He knows how to control the eye and composition way better. Wei Feng is very good no doubt, but he's not at RJ's level.

>>2929508
Whoever uses more layers

>>2929508
>>2929509
>highly rendered piece of a character just standing there

Why do people do this?

>>2929508

Whoever makes more buxx and has more "likes", this is the only measure you can give to digital "art".

>>2929573
>muh shitty waste of oil paint is real art

>>2929570
They're paid to paint that though

>>2929580
I don't understand, what's the point of putting so much energy into art of a character just existing not conveying anything particular?
If it's concept art it's going way above what is necessary to convey the concept and if it's illustration it's boring for anyone who isn't technically impressed by it.

>>2929586
>I don't understand, what's the point of putting so much energy into art of a character just existing not conveying anything particular?

Because it's cool looking? I would buy that a put it on my wall or something, even my grandma has fantasy character paintings on her wall and she's 70 years old

>and if it's illustration it's boring for anyone who isn't technically impressed by it.

Are you retarded? why do you think they're such highly known artists? Not everyone that follows them are artists themselves, they obviously think their stuff is cool. And Im pretty sure they're equally impressed by how technical it is

>>2929594
>Im pretty sure they're equally impressed by how technical it is
Yeah when there is a very highly skilled image non-artists can see it and be mindblown at it and see it as some sort of magic beyond their comprehension, so really admire it. Artists will see it and understand the skill behind it and fully appreciate how skillful it is and be just as impressed, if not more.

>>2929586
>if it's illustration it's boring for anyone who isn't technically impressed by it.

Pretty much

>>2929594
>highly known artists
Ruan Jia's only famous on /ic/

I haven't seen enough Wei Feng's pieces to judge properly but from those two pics I think Ruan shows more experience painting-wise

Both suck at figure painting though, stiff af

>>2929586
Money.

>>2929579
fuck off shitposter

>>2929586
Self enlightenment

>>2929508
>>2929509
both look tacky and homosexual

>>2929607
>Ruan Jia's only famous on /ic/
He's famous in the entire digital art world. Granted it's still niche, but he's widely considered one of the best in the world at it by people outside of /ic/.

https://www.artstation.com/artist/fengweic12

Wei Feng's gallery.

>>2929508
Wei Feng is god tier but Ruan Jia is still a step above, especially in rendering and value/edge control.

>>2929677
You can't be above god-tier. God-tier is top level. So if Ruan Jia is there then Wei Feng needs to be a different lower level.

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wei fengs visual library is exponentially bigger than RJ's.

>>2929712

so he's a blizzard fanboy

ruan has actually been employed by Blizzard (hearthstone at least), has this guy been, too?

>>2929712
>visual library
you know they both use the absolute shit out of reference right

>>2929508
Ruan Jia by far, duh. He thinks about his shapes more. Wei Feng is more literal, not thinking abstractly and sexing up the shapes.

>>2929712
It seems to me "visual library" has become a buzzword nowadays.

>>2929894
Got any examples of what you mean by he thinks about his shapes? Or could you at least explain it. I've been trying to understand shape.

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>>2929897
There is a sort of graphic design element in a lot of his stuff I guess is one way to put it. Simple tonal shapes arranged in a pleasing manner.
Mostly in the backgrounds. There is time spend designing the shapes, rhythms, and subtle textures in the backgrounds. This is the aspect of his paintings that I really get off on. The foreground figure/subject tends to be less graphic designy and more concerned about draping it in light. Which is also nice. He's not just painting a warrior on a background. He's being a little artsy fartsy about it. Takes it to the next level.

>>2929915
Yeah I love this stuff too. He knows so much mroe about contrasts than the other chinese painters who try to emulate him. Most of those guys conflate detail and flash with a good image, but RJ actually knows how to get good subtlety of design in there and how to get the eye to rest in areas that are simpler so the contrasts have more impact. His composition and shape design put him way above HGJ or Wei Feng or whoever.

>>2929915
Are these crops from his backgrounds or full pieces, because if it's the latter, I'm fucking impressed he plans compositions within compositions.

>>2929933
By latter, I mean former.

>>2929933
They're crops. You should spend some time looking through his images anon. Literally one of the best on the planet, like often considered top 3.

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>>2929508
Why not post some of their more recent paintings?

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>>2929974
These Wei Feng ones are 2 big

http://imgur.com/a/mNaQI

>>2929978
tfw you want to be chinese master you have to master the noodles first

How old are RJ and WF respectively?

>>2929978
Where you get these from?
Post more

>>2930023
RJ is 31, I think. Pretty young.

>>2929508
Ruan because he has my name

>>2929508
how long would it take to reach that skill level from the scratch?
How many years would it take if you draw every day?

>>2930116
80 years and 12 days.

>>2930116
That's an impossible question to answer. How many hours a day do you draw? What do you draw? Your talent? So many variables. It can vary from 3 years to 30 years to never.

>>2930116
50-60 years if you draw a few hours a day.

10-20 years if you draw all day every single day and have talent required

>>2930116
30 years 10 to 8 hours a day/(Positive IQ standard deviations + one for ligameme)

>>2930116
i can teach you the methods he uses in a few weeks or a month maybe. the drawing part is all up to you. i can how he paints but not how he draws.

>>2930853
Really? What have you learned about RJ's method of painting?

>>2930877
give me a lil bit ill compile something to show some examples.

>>2930908
Awesome. I'll share what I've learned to after I read what you've got. If it's not already covered.

>>2930928
>>2930908
I can help with this as well.

>>2930908
>>2930928
>>2930930
This is how /ic/ should be. People who come together to help each other.

>>2930938
very agreed, I'm sticking around for this.

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>>2930908
ok got around to it
this is just a portion of what i could piece to gether
thers so much info that it need to put down

I made it seem like he uses flow a lot, but he uses opacity the most especially on his older stuff and newer stuff. it depends how opaque he wanted his brush strokes to be because thats honestly how real painting is done. none of the blending shit.

again a lot of stuff to cover but i have no real way of going in sequence on how to explain most of it.

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>>2931054
i also noticed that sakimichan does the same with her brushes
she uses opacity most of the time at 25% as hard and soft

there's a lot more interesting phenomena going on.

But it'll take a lot of time to cover it all.

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>>2931093
forgot pic

>>2931054
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>>2931094
bless you! (really wanna try out this stuff myself)

i love how whenever this board goes into ruan jia territory the thread always ends up super educational.

>>2931094
There's also the idea thatsubject matters need to be layered in order to be effectively portrayed, like zebras for example.
If you were to simplify the process of painting a zebra you wouldn't paint a grey horse.
you'd either paint a white horse, then add black stripes. or paint a black horse then add white stripes..
a lot of painting relies on thinking ahead to layer colors appropriately

>http://imgur.com/a/JXUn0 - image too big but useful tut

>>2931144
fuck
>https://ibb.co/f9L2La

>>2929974
that skin has got a rembrandt vibe to it, but the eyes look kinda funky

>>2929712
That's fan art tho

>>2929687
>he never heard of elder God tier

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>>2929508
Feng is for plebs

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>>2931592
Is this a new piece? Never seen it, but really liking it.

>>2929586
>not conveying anything particular?
Because only intersectional feminists think everything should be linked with everything else. Sane people do stuff because that's what they want to do. They want to paint a cool looking dude, so they do just that. They don't want to shove their beliefs down your throat. They don't want to convey any deep message. If they wanted to do that they would have chosen a career in politics, wrote a book or something.
So if you don't like Ruan Jia, you are probably a SJW.

>>2931592

Now that's an awkward figure

>>2931592
Holy fuck man, look at that foliage in normal browser sized resolution. It reads so perfectly.

>>2931615
a new sketch

>>2931149
Really interesting tutorial. Thanks for sharing.

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any traditional painters with wei's color palette?

>>2929547
*Less, you mean...
Less layers = less room for error = more mastery.

>>2929594
>>2929598
The best art is the one that speaks to highly skilled artists AND the usual viewer. (otherwise it isn't technical or is too pretentious)

>>2930938
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm browsing this place : for constructive conversations like these!
(it should happen way more often though)

>>2931635
forget the figure look at the size of that neck

>>2931671
please, where did you find this? i checked his website and can't find it.

>>2932084
It's on his Weibo, but you'll need to make an account to see it I think. Or at least to see the full size file.

>>2932084
thanks! though i don't know how to navigate that site... oh well.

>>2932149
It's a huge pain since it's all in Chinese and you need to make an account. Google Chrome autotranslates a lot for me though so I can somewhat navigate. I made my account a few years ago and I think they needed my cell phone number to text me a confirmation code. It's annoying. But it's a good way to see him post sketches that he doesn't post on other sites, and he posts photos and selfies too.

>>2932162
yikes really regretting not retaining all those chinese lessons now... but yeah seems worth it just to know he's alive and productive.

please, any recently posted sketches you particularly like?

>>2932173
Recently for art he has just posted some of the same stuff you have seen in other websites, and that orc that was posted in another RJ thread a couple weeks back. Otherwise he posted some photos of Rome since he held a workshop there and it's where he painted that image you're asking about (it was a demo). I know someone who was in the workshop and he actually did several other demos and paintovers too but RJ hasn't posted them online yet.

>>2932207
oh ok, thanks! yeah think i've seen them all so i'll just wait for new stuff to show up.

>>2931627
You are reaching so damn hard to make this about feminism you retard. Implied narrative in an image makes it interesting, as demonstrated in this image of the guy "just standing there" which is such a narrow reduction of what Is really going on there. He's a seasoned warrior moving forward over obstacles while focused on something high in the distance, while in the middle of some kind of magical battle in a weird forest city ruins with some intense wind going on. That's not a guy "just standing there" nor is it the representation of some kind of political ideology

>>2932371
Not the anon that you're replying to, but I think "just standing there" isn't such a bad thing. That's like asking what Sargent was doing painting portraits of people just sitting down looking pretty for the painting. Why spend time refining a painting of a castle? It's just a soulless structure. Other anon's argument that things should convey a clear narrative or be a 10 minute sloppy sketch of a concept is a little narrow-minded imo.

>>2932486
>>2932371
omg guys its just fucking art its fucking subjective how fucking autistic do you have to be. you like it or you dont now fuck off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

>>2932486
>>2932371
>>2932502
also to make it clear im not directly refering to you both. i ment in general and to the dick face who started this.

>>2932371
Pretty sure that's a grill

>>2932149
>>2932088
http://tw.weibo.com/ruanjiacg1

the taiwan version doesn't need you to log in to view profiles. just add tw. to any weibo links

>>2933726
if you want to view the images in full size change the bmiddle to large

https://wx2.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/5e475b33gy1fee834ly7bj22n43s47wm.jpg

>>2933726
>>2933729
oh gosh i love you, thanks!

>>2929508
i like it!

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Some of their portrait work reminds me of Castlevania

>>2934758
Ruan Jia has mentioned Ayami Kojima as being one of his big influences.

>>2934777
That makes a lot of sense, no wonder Ruan Jia's work felt so familiar.

>>2934777
>Ayami Kojima

Ah good to know. That makes sense.

Very cool to see Ruan and Wei youtube clips as well. Has anyone collected an archive of their videos?

>>2934780
>>2934783
If you're interested in his other influences, he has also mentioned Craig Mullins, Rembrandt, and Yoshitaka Amano.

>>2931933
but...
more layers = more complicated = more mastery :)

>>2933726
>http://tw.weibo.com/ruanjiacg1
thank you sir

>>2933726
>http://tw.weibo.com/ruanjiacg1
Oh exciting!
>first post is a selfie
Well then, this should be interesting.

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why the fuck would you make these mistakes in the focal points of both pieces

>>2934867
Which mistakes are those?

>>2934876
Not him but I'm guessing the thumb and ring finger are really awkward/misproportioned in the RJ piece, and the neck is super thick in the Wei piece. Seems pretty nitpicky though.

>>2934879
>Not him but I'm guessing the thumb and ring finger are really awkward/misproportioned in the RJ piece, and the neck is super thick in the Wei piece. Seems pretty nitpicky though.

It's me. Is it though? Don't get me wrong the rest looks great but for heaven's sake man, if it was a backdrop i wouldn't care but it's staring back at me.

>>2929978
can someone help me track down some more of wei fengs sketches?

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>>2934787
I was just about to say his older stuff looks amano inspired.

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>>2929978
>>2930049
>>2934902
I thought someone else would have posted some more by now since I was too lazy at the time but here's some other shit, I guess. These are all on his weibo.

http://imgur.com/a/pMmNr
http://imgur.com/a/GuM6Q

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>>2935251
fuck off with that fucking character