Is there anything worse than a mindless grinder?

>>2926528
What's the alternative then?

I'm all ears.

>>2926528
>Is there anything worse than a mindless grinder?
This a riddle?
I'd go for someone who doesn't grind at all

>>2926528
A pretentious self absorbed special snowflake

>>2926528
> Watches some TED talks for motivation
> That's not how motivation works
> Spends 6-8hrs a day drawing for several years

I hope your cognitive dissonance isn't putting too much stress on you, OP.

>>2926528
When decent and obviously talented people hop on the git gud train they blow past the scrubs.

They then humble brag their inspirational story and give false hope to the hopeless. Yeah all you had to do was put in some work this whole time, u beautiful fuck.

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>>2927516
Not enough /ic/fags get this. They're practically being lied to by people who were hand picked by the gods.

there's nothing wrong with working hard but this is prolly one of the last things you should dump a lot of time into on the premise that it's "muh dream". There's being a clueless wannabe too and nobody likes that.

>>2927943
Is this the truth? Feels like it.

>>2927943
>>2926528

People would prefer to listen to successful artists than unsuccessful ones like you. Even if they do fail, they will still reach higher than any other cynical nihilist out there.

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>>2926891
>tfw not sure if anon is being sarcastic or actually emphasizing with you

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>>2927943
>people who were hand picked by the gods
Then prove them wrong anon. We may be mere mortals in their point of view, but I can only imagine the joy that we will experience when we reach our own personal goals by our own sweat and blood; making it without the aid of talent or 'god'. Think of it as a handicap, you're probably so good that it would be otherwise unfair for others if you have the talent for drawing.

>>2927516
>>2927943

There's a lot of options to gain a following though. Make clothing/prints, be present on multiple platforms, network with other character designers if that's your thing. Being successful is what you define yourself to be successful as. Making enough money off art, being published in magazines, reaching this many followers or whatever. People romanticize the success of artists but it really is about putting in the work and having a cool personality that attracts people to you and your art. These people are getting up and doing the same shit you do, but on a different level, what is keeping you separate from them? If you don't have a target than you're just wasting arrows.

>>2928110

>sweat and blood

Nigga it's drawing this made me cringe almost. No wonder you guys get burnt out putting so much of your ego into this shit.

>>2928134
So marketing >skill
Sounds legit

>>2927962
I get sad whenever I see this image.
How can you let your art skills become this unbalanced?

>>2926528
post your work

>>2928820
he spent 9 seconds on it.

>>2928831
Wow do you even enjoy art? Maybe it isn't for you? Maybe recreation and being lazy is. Whatever who cares

>>2928831
>Why couldn't I just get into art earlier?
Because you had no interest in it beforehand.

Might as well start now, though. Might as well get good at something before you get run over by a truck at an early age or get old and die.

>>2926528
post your work senpai.

>>2926528
>WAAAAH I'M NOT TALENTED
>WAAAAH EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD BE A PESSIMISTIC LOSER AND GIVE UP
>WAAAAAH

is this the backlash for us shitting on mr.steak or something?

>I wasn't born as DaVinci and should give up

Talent is a meme. Fuck off OP.

>>2928829
Drawing a readable cartoon animal should take only 9 seconds

>>2928847
>In 1466, at the age of fourteen, Leonardo was apprenticed to the artist Andrea di Cione, known as Verrocchio, whose bottega (workshop) was "one of the finest in Florence".[22] He apprenticed as a garzone (studio boy) to Andrea del Verrocchio, the leading Florentine painter and sculptor of his day (and would do so for 7 years).

>spends 6-8hrs a day drawing
>everyone on /ic/ told him to even though real pros don't because they've been drawing forever

So, how long is the average work day in your country, anyway?

>>2928852

Yeah, if you'd be apprentice for 7 years to Jeff Watts and only sleep, paint and be buttfucked by him daily from the age of 14 chances are you'd also be a mega art faggot.

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>>2928847
>>2928845

Thing is honestly I'm actually having a much easier time getting real with this shit than most of you seem to have and it kinda bums me out. Typical /ic/ though - just assuming everyone is struggling just as much as they are because we're all genetically exactly the same. Go ahead and make asses of yourselves then like the deluded fuck here >>2928110 then lol.

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>>2926530
Someone who spends a lot of time working on original illustrations, concepts, and character designs, but still devotes an hour or two every day to studies?
Really, the problem with most people's mindset is that they think if they draw x many gestures and do y so many master painting studies they'll become some sort of master artist when there's so much more to art than just studies. People forget why they wanted to draw in the first place, they forget that art needs passion, imagination, and personality to really grab an audience's attention.
This is why people fawn over those eye drawings on the front page of Deviantart and not some rando's photo studies. Yes, these eye drawings are pretty dumb, but you know what? They tell a story with only eyes, and that's definitely a concept I haven't heard before. It's definitely more original than the 100s of portrait photo studies around here.

Point is, you can't get by in art with technical skill alone, but grinders think they'll make it by only practicing the fundamentals without trying to create their own unique ideas using those fundamentals.

>>2929341

"Grinders" both study and apply.

People who tell you that they never did any grindy or tiring activity are more often than not complete losers.

You see, if working hard wasn't effective, why would people do that? Why hunt when another caveman might possibly be faster than you? Why studying literature when there are geniuses that understood it much more completely than you will ever do? Humans do activities and improve in them for a variety of reasons; one of this is, they have pleasure in doing and studying something.

Truth is, OP, that you are a complete loser who won't ever amount to anything. You don't value hard work nor study, which are the most important factors in life. You have a poor mentality which will make you frustrated and then eventually kill you. You are the human equivalent of the cicada that mocked the ant. People who learnt many skills will surpass you while you will be still quoting wikipedia and wikihows articles thinking they mean real knowledge.

Tl;dr: glory to you, king of the losers

>>2928847
Grandmas definition of talent is a meme, and if you believe that you're a rube.

""Talent"" as in a *natural affinity* + disciplined practice + favorable circumstances+opportunity = success. it's real as fuck.

>>2930234
I thought that talent wasn't a natural thing.

>>2932086
It's not, it's a gift granted by God, it's just easier to say natural because it's not nurture.

point me to one person like this

>>2932091
A mindless grinder? Anyone who fell for the drawabox/dynamic sketching meme but only sticks to drawing lines, boxes and blobs instead of actually drawing.

>>2932093
no i mean OPs stupid strawman.