reminder: drawabox is objectively shit

Reminder: It doesn't take a master artist to outline basic perspective and construction in a simple lesson format.

reminder: drawabox = ISIS

>>2915555
II quite like the drawing with the car.
The figures and the lion are awkward, a lack of gesture training is showing.

>>2915592
the perspective of the car is fucking trash tier

so many bits are misaligned and uneven

>>2915589

What? I don't get this meme, elaborate please?

>>2915555
What would you say is the best place for a beginner to start then?

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reminder: niggas in the industrial design discord are having rockets strapped to their asses and doing more in weeks than op has done in his entire career doodling scooby doo rule34

what's the gestalt on hating drawabox all of a sudden? I thought it was better than right side of the brain and loomis because it actually teaches you shit and you're getting an improved version of peter han's classes for free

>>2915926
link?

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I just went through 8 days of grinding Drawing on the right side of the brain and I wanted to show off my work and trigger some draw-an-ass faggots

>>2915931
I think eightchan's /art/ or /dpd/ should have a link

>>2915888
You're saying you want... a quick rundown?

>>2915555

You are too.

>>2915929
RSOTB and loomis teach different things from drawabox. I don't know why people compare them

>>2915555
Post your work.

>>2915555
Honestly what's better alternative?
All good books on construction using boxes are either in japanese or korean.

his content is good enought, he hasn't invented anything over there, he has just took art theory and exercizes and made it easy for beginners

His art is not related to that actually

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i like this stuff of his, though looking at the dates on his stuff he doesn't do much new work

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>>2916354
There's so many things wrong with this picture it's ridiculous.

Especially the perspective.

>>2916356

Christ how horrifying. I would love to see his take on Proko's kangoroo creature

>>2916356
i dont really see it. can you redline it for me so i can see his mistakes?

>>2916356
The composition is shit too

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>>2916362
the building on the right is not drawn on the same ground plane as the gate

>>2916376
i see. thank you.

>>2916373
Agreed, that seems to be the case for many of his pieces.

>>2916376
Nice redline. There's a ton of other objects that just don't feel like they fit, even excluding the people. Look at the barrels to the right, christ

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>>2915929
>you're getting an improved version of peter han's classes for free

>>2916470
post your work

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>>2915587
Actually look at his 'basic perspective' before you'll try to defend him, dickface.
He thinks that to draw 5 boxes in 1 point perspective, you need 5 vanishing points.

Drawabox is objectively cancer.

>>2916556
Good joke.

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>>2916556
I knew /ic/ was full of retarded no dick teenagers but I didn't think the mental retardation was this bad

>>2916556
He's explained before in his critiques that those side boxes are meant to serve as a visual reference for how far things are supposed to rotate, rather than exist in space.

He tends to do a lot of shit like this - purposely simplifying things or ignoring certain mistakes in order to communicate specific ideas in a way that is easier to understand. Worrying about the perspective on those other boxes ends up distracting people from the main purpose of the exercise.

Sure does leave things open to be torn apart when taken out of context, though.

>>2916568
and that's where this board has a field day, destroying people who try just because they don't want to bother to try themselves

>>2916568

Taking things out of context is basic trolling. Did you sleep through Trolling 1?

>>2916556
Pete please.

>>2916583
>>2916589
>>2916598
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>>2916566
Nice samefagging

>>2915555
>itt a bunch of faggots who used drawbox, suck because of it and are being defensive

>>2916665
What I use instead Senpai?

>>2916780

Your brain. Also tissues to wipe out your mom after I'll be done with her.

>>2916780
Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching class

>>2915598
>so many bits are misaligned and uneven
redline?

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am I understanding this right, on where they should've been?

>>2917140
Nah man, multiple horizon lines are totally possible, drawabox dude knows everything

>>2916556
>calls other people shit
>doesn't know 1 point perspective

>>2916313
Original Horsefucker.

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>>2916627
>He doesn't agree with me so he must be samefagging
I hope your only pretending

>>2917145
are you suppose to see the bottom planes of some stuff like the knight's arm below the horizon line? Genuinely would like to know.

>>2915598
it's good enough to fool average person's eye and that's what really matters

>>2916376
So is the point that they don't align the same vanishing point? Would that even be the case if the gate was at a different angle?

>>2915555

Is it really shit, or can something be learned or taken from it, is it a good source?

Also, do I need to master every exercise/homework before moving onto the next, I am at the ellipses and drawing from the shoulder pivot, I am making very slow progress on the ellipses getting better. But progress none the less, is it worth going through the entire thing.

I am also working on Right Side as well.

>>2922779
the exercises are taken from various master courses they are legit

>>2922779
Draw a box: I liked the first chapters - the basic linework stuff. It's unoffensive and good as a warm up thing. I still draw ~20 minutes of these just to get into the mood. But the anatomy was way too stylized and I rather used Hampton from there.

Drawing with the right side of the brain is good for a read through once or twice - it really talks about the issues with symbol drawing. But the exercises are a bit meh here and there.

>>2915942
looked on both, can't find it. i found "Life of Design" in the archive, is that it?

>>2922785

Thanks.

>>2922786

Is it worth going into any further? Or what would be a good alternative. I am sorta decent atm, but I want to get better and I try to set aside 2 to 3 hours a day working on studies.

>>2922804
I hate to say this but if you feel comfortable about it post your work and we might be able to answer that question.

>>2922809

You mean exercises from the Draw-A-Box or just my own personal works.

I have been going to a figure drawing session on and off too, and I have a good chunk of digital work too, though I personally think it's shit, what would you want me to post, I am willing to get some criticism on where I can improve. (which frankly I think I need improvement all around)

>>2915555
something that /ic/ doesn't really get is that you don't have to be a master artist in order to teach.
If you know the exercises and can provide the proper material it doesn't matter. Giving feedback and doing paintovers is a bit different, but as far as just teaching and providing lessons the skill of the teacher doesn't matter as long as they know what they're talking about.

draw a box provides free lessons, the lessons themselves and exercises he provides are completely valid and useful regardless of his own ability.

stop shitting all over the people who try to help you.

>>2922812
Just show us your best and let us rip it appart. What are you proud of?

>>2922819

Kk, gimme a sec. I got a few things together.

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>>2922842

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>>2922846

>>2922819

My sketchbook images I have to take a pic. with my phone and my phone is on 3%, so it won't let me take any pics, so I am just giving it some time to juice up.

>>2922842
>>2922845
>>2922846
>>2922848

These are probably my better digital studies, sadly I just end up half-assing it.

I was going to finish this as far as I could and some people told me just to drop it because it was so bad. >>2922845

>>2922842
Top of my head Hampton and Vlippu - you need to get a better idea of anatomy and the gestures and any motion is missing. Also try to find material on forms and how to translate complex things like human bodies into simpler forms. You're on a good way, no symbol drawing. That's good.

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>>2922855

>Hampton and Vlippu

You mean this book:

>https://www.amazon.com/Figure-Drawing-Invention-Michael-Hampton/dp/0615272819

And this one:

>https://www.amazon.com/Vilppu-Drawing-Manual-Glenn/dp/1892053039

>Also try to find material on forms and how to translate complex things like human bodies into simpler forms.

I have no idea what and how to look for that? You mean Loomis?

Also, here is something from my sketchbook, I will post my most recent after this post, I just need to compile it.

>>2922786
It's basically what he learned from dynamic sketching 1/ analytical figure drawing/ and one or two other classes from art center. It gets the fundies to you in a way that seems less fine artsy. Plus you get real critique from the community or from him yourself if you pay 3 bucks a month.

Everyone thinks hes a meme but he has some good stuff to offer. Just do up to dynamic sketching and then do some CGMA master classes to get you on the route afterwords. His analytical figure drawing is meh. It's better to take that shit online. But I have to admit he's a nice person and a very helpful at pointing out what you need to do to succeed. Dunno why this place hates that.

I prefer this desu because he has structure and points you in a direction and has a list of stuff he wants you to do. Don't get me wrong I respect the st/ic/y. But this just suits me better.

My two cents.

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>>2922846
Your lines are a bit scribbly. Draw with intent, but don't be afraid to erase. You have to erase with intent as well.

>>2922848
Simplify the hues. It helps to have a base color laid down before getting to the details.

You might just want to work on getting your value studies decent before moving on the color.

>>2922857
Find a system for getting proportions right.
At your level, you should be working on construction.
From reference, deconstruct the form into basic shapes once you have blocked it in. And from imagination, construct the figure with basic shapes.

Draw larger too. Your accuracy is not great for small doodles.


Getting back to the original question, you should do drawabox exercises.

>>2922900

Thanks, so basically just go with Loomis and construct and deconstruct figures with basic shapes, both digitally and traditionally?

>>2922929
Yeah, pretty much.
If Loomis really isn't working with you, you can try Hampton. His process is a bit more intuitive (at least for me).

I wrote this before, but learn basic proportions first. You can get away with bs-ing the finer anatomical details, but normies are very sensitive to proportion.

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>>2922954

Thanks.

Should I just basically get everything on this list (pic related) and do it all? I am kind of floundering on where to even start since it's rather overwhelming, but I suppose Loomis, Right Side and Draw-A-Box are good beginning points.

>>2922966
This pic is a meme please delete it from your PC and don't post it and report anyone who posts it. Such a fucking retarded picture

>>2922842
Oh god
MY DICK

>>2923555
Explain.

>>2922900
>>2922954
What's a good way to learn proportions?

>>2923555
Elaborate.

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>>2923611
Loomis goes over it and it's pretty basic to understand.

>>2923643
which book is this from?

>>2923647
Looms' figure drawing book, should be able to get it in the sticky

>>2923555
Elucidate.

>>2923555
Expand upon.

>>2922882
>Just do up to dynamic sketching
So if I've done Lesson 1 and 2, I shouldn't go further with Draw A Box? I was about to start Lesson 3 but it seems much less sophisticated.

What do you recommend if I were to stop with Draw A Box, having completed Lesson 1 and 2? Besides CGMA Master Classes I mean, even though it looks really interesting with all those digital lessons.

It's mediocre. I think he does a terrible job of explaining form intersections, and his art is far from fantastic, but from my beginner's perspective there's not too much going wrong.

>>2916824
Send me the money via paypal

>>2924831
>buying any online anything

What are you, an idiot?

>>2923643

to be honest Lumis was a big gay dick when it came to shapes.

>>2924586

Draw Box is very good in basics. train until you has it in blood. i would recomend you go trough all their shit to the end. will give you good additional help.

>>2924836
You can barely type in English correctly, why the hell should we listen to you?

>>2924840

lol. please ignore me.

>>2915555
Good thing I didn't fall for it in /beg/ thread. Boy I would be pretty angry with the time wasted.

>>2924586
I would like an answer to this too. It seems to fall apart starting from Lesson 3, but I would like a confirmation.
Is there a Mega link to the CGMA Master Classes by the way? Haven't found anything in sticky.

>>2925016
You could just do Dynamic Bible, which is just his class in book form

I did both CGMA courses. Its about the same.

You guys should just read How to draw book. A solid year of reading how to draw book is all you need.

Scott Eaton has some good courses aswell. Plus there anatomy for sculptors and just reading the classics I.e. Artistic anatomy. Plus also looking at Krenz stuff.

Drawabox is good start to begin.

>>2925279
I think krenz method of drawing might be the most technical, but versatile since basically you're drawing almost everything like it was a product sketch.