/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

I've read sticky, it directs me to Loomis and Drawing from right-side, i have studied and chaotically applied these books last year and it was last year when i tried to get into drawing and dropped/failed.

I feel like i need some sort of more clear instructions, can you please tell what my daily drawing routine should be for first few thousand hours?

Im a beginner who aims to draw his own manga/comic stories.

>>2907361
>Looking for advice on the most unhelpful board

>>2907354
>> the two unfinished are def fucked,thats why i said that. but the bot middle, are you sure that you arent confusing his hair for the skull line? hes supposed to have those nap curl or whtaever the fuck nigs do with their hair. i figured the bot right what a bit to long horizonally.

Sorry, but I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If you care about others understanding you, could you express yourself in English?

>>2907389
I said the two unfinished heads are definately fucked, that's why I didn't ask for feed back on them (I also posted my loomis heads so some could tell me if those were drawn correctly). Concerning the bottom middle head, are you sure you're not confusing the hairline with the 'skullline'? This head has a hairstyle with volume. You redlined the hairline as if that's where the cranium would be. As for the bottom right head, I had figured that one had incorrect proportions in terms of the horizontal length from the face to the back of the cranium.

sorry i was busy and getting flustered with other stuff at the moment

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>>2907347
Criticism please?

Only just learned how to use clipping layers to colour in photoshop (was using it backwards and wondering why it wasnt working) and that a 3000px+ resolution will work wonders for quality. (OBVIOUSLY!)

Have been searching everywhere for feedback, and don't know why people aren't replying! Please give me some criticism!

Used an Intuos4 Pro M and Photoshop CS6 on a Macbook Pro 2015

so I'm a beginner and not good at this drawing stuff yet, but when I finish a project I wanted to do and I like the result (however imperfect) I just get this sense of elation that I don't get out of any other hobby ive ever tried. Is this what a hobby is supposed to feel like? I kind of love it, though I assume it will fade over time.

whats the difference between photshop CS6 and photoshop CC?
also wheres a good place to get a free/cracked copy. the #1 torrent version of CS6 has the comment section filled with people saying the installation guide is full of wrong info.

>>2907414
it won't fade over time, I promise! That feeling scales with the difficulty of a piece you decide to tackle, until you are in total bliss for an entire day staring at the masterpiece you just created. It's the only drug that gets more potent as you keep using it. Keep it up, and you'll feel it too!

>>2907420
mac or pc or linux or what?

>>2907413
I think the problem is that there is nothing really majorly wrong with your painting, but nothing amazing either. It's in that middle zone where people neither have obvious critiques or praise for it. This is good though, because it means you are getting out of the beginner territory and into intermediate, and you can start posting in the draw thread.

In terms of critiques I only have minor things that are subtle and hard to explain well. They're the type of thing that you will pick up with experience. I'll list them out:
1) Unclean shapes. You say you are using clipping masks but it really doesn't look like you are. A lot of your edges are slightly messy instead of crisp and clean, and a lot of your shapes are a bit wobbly instead of confident longer shapes. Look at the silhouette of her hair for example, it looks like it's really laboured when it's a very simple shape in reality. Imagine if a master painter or animator were to draw or paint it--they would have only a few long curve drawn in properly instead of making up a curve out of lots of little strokes.
2) Forms. Your forms are a bit flat now. Even if the reference is flat in terms of lighting there is still form information and you should be looking carefully for it and focusing on it. The metal interior on the right especially is very flat--don't forget that it is still a face so all those little shapes form an egg. If you take a soft brush on an Overlay or Soft Light layer and glaze over the whole head to bring in more form (putting a light value over areas to be brightened and a dark value over areas to be darkened) it will look a lot better.
3) Materials. Right now the materials are not reading as well as they could. The face on the left is meant to be a shiny porcelain type thing right? To get that glossy look you could use a soft brush to get the shadows softer and smoother, then you need crisp designed highlights on it. The one on the right needs to feel like metal.

>>2907422
PC windows 10

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>>2907424
thank you so much dude. Between 10 dumb seddit threds, deviantart, newgrounds, friends, family, the depths of /ic/ is where to get actual constructive criticism. THANK YOU SO MUCH this is all I wanted. Now -- on to fixing these issues and trying again!

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>all this practice and im still shit

>>2907436
practice more

>>2907420
are you talking about the one from,the ching chong uploader? thats easy as fuck to figure out

>>2907433
>friends, family,

rule them out asap if criticism is what you want. also, i saw worse stuff in draw thread, get in there.

>>2907445
>>2907413
also, her jaw is croocked. or swallen on her right side

>>2907433
/ic/ is love, /ic/ is life

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>>2907442
all the comments keep contradicting eachother and saying the .nfo is outdated.
which set of instructions should I follow?

meanwhile this 6 year old kid with an autistic speech impediment just DLs a mediafire link and runs it with a key no problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtrhgKidXNU

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>>2907392
Nah, I don't think you can find any human who's capable of coherent thinking with a skull like that. The red outline here is closer to normal outlines of the skull, but it's still not okay, and your hair goes below it, which is simply not possible. Human foreheads are much more vertical, and the another important thing to remember about drawing from this angle is that back of the skull goes behind the ear.

Take this model and inspect it thoroughly from various angles.
https://sketchfab.com/models/7bb018ad519b41cd9611554b6d3ebdac

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>>2907347
I want to become really good at drawing hands

what do I do

should I just draw my left hand until I die

>>2907449
okay i havent done this is a while and i dont actually have pc to walk this through but ill try to explain whats going on. essentially youre downloading a legitimate free trial. so the problem is you run it youll run out of days and youll be stuck with a useless ps cs6 that asks for a serial everytime you open. thats where the other steps come it

>>2907454
Cool website. Thanks for the link.

>>2907457
yes
also loomis and other guides

>>2907458
>>2907449
what they mean by the "install folder" is literally going through your hard drive and program files and find the Cs6 program you just installed. if i were you, when you install, choose EITHER 64 or 32 bit not both, it makes it easier to find the folder that youll be dropping the crack into

>>2907465
then when youre in the folder, you need. you drop the cracked file in there.

after you do that theres an update like cs6.1 or some shit that you need to install and that sort of 'cements' the crack you dropped in into the update.

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Any better? I'm struggling with details.

>>2907454
ooh thats a good resource thanks. i must have messed up the construction big time then because i intended it to be looking up at the head meaning the forehead line would have been at a more extreme angle.

>>2907457
>>2907462
only after you understand how they work/are constructed. go for Burne Hogarth, his book helped me in this area

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>>2907454
>tfw you're too intelligent to enjoy drawing

>>2907478
>tfw to intelligent to improve

>>2907436
Why do you continue to live on anon

>>2907491
the rapids of time thrust me onwards

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>>2907454
i think you'd benefit from some rhythm lines. it looks flat.

try drawing old age references. their faces naturally have a lot of 3d form and you can copy those.

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>>2907347
I don't like how it turned out fundamental wise but I have resolved to do at least one sketch of something I like and then polish that turd as best I can. Feedback on the rendering/linework?

>>2907528
>Drawing square shaped faces gives design
Is this another reason why Loomis should be avoided as much as possible if you're a beginner? He's literally teaching full noobs to """stylize""" their shit

>>2907563
stop being edgy for attention
loomis is a genius and perfect for beginners

>>2907565
>loomis is a genius
If he was one he wouldn't be dead, checkmate.

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>>2907565
>He trusts Loomis this much
>Yet anon still draws like when he was 11yrs

>>2907571
>calling someone bad in the beginner thread
>without even seeing their work
are you a jew psyop?

>>2907565
>>2907574
t. loomis's grandson

>>2907578
>t. proko with a vpn

>start learning how to draw
>make little but substantial progress every day
>study at a nice pace for 6 months or so
>stop due to time constraints
>doodle something now
>doodle looks 10x better than when you were actually studying

>>2907670
your standards just dropped
probably
there are people who seem to get better at things over a break though. i imagine you are performing better due to different/better mindset but your overall skill is unchanged or lower.

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Going through Keys to Drawing right now, working on midpoint

Why do I seem to never get correct proportions in figure drawings and portraits? I'm thinking maybe it's just an issue of me being to impatient, but am I really supposed to sit for like an hour measuring every single detail before starting to polishing some simple portrait? I've been practicing for at least half a year, but haven't really seen any improvement in this area, am I missing something crucial? I use the techniques taught in keys to drawing.

>>2907718
McBabyhead

>>2907736
You'll sort of get a feel for proportions and accuracy with experience. If things are off just double check alignments vertically and horizontally.

What should i read to learn how to draw faces? Is loomis really a meme?

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Started this January, I'm already through Drawing on the right side of the brain and Perspective made easy. What do you think, what should be then next step? I'm thinking about Scott Robertson's How to Draw as my 3rd book. I drew pic related yesterday, what do you think?

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Edge control exercise


>>2907748
Loomis is good but poorly explained, lots of people do thier own version of such a method but the point that you should build the face out of fundamental shapes is solid and at the end of the day, where you learn to do that is unimportant,

>>2907760
Your edges don't look that controlled really. Post the ref for specific feedback since you seem to be basing it off a weird planar torso.

>>2907760

Loomis is only poorly explained when people don't bother to actually read everything he writes. He explains a lot about his methodologies.

Also you need to move on to his other books after "Fun with a pencil". Which is a lot looser.

>>2907753
Hidinghands/10

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>constantly have my art supplies stolen
>by my siblings who have their own money
>be too unstable financially to replace what's taken
>about ready to give up

Funny thing is, I don't even live with my parents. They just come and steal my shit whenever they please

>>2907813
Then fucking hide it or lock it away you inbred fucking idiot.

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art is gay

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Can I get some help with my fiction podcast?
Here is the first episode:

https://soundcloud.com/jrtravelspodcast/jr-travels-ep-1

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>> tfw you have hard time (pun intended) choosing the naughtiest face

>>2907849
Right, definitely not left.

>>2907849
Middle. Naughty has to look a little predatory.

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colours are so much fun but I can never get them right orz
I think I made the hat floating again too

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>>2907901
also this

>>2907901
That's a nice Jackie Chan you drew there

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How do I into hands and lewd stuff?

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>>2907901
>>2907904

you're mistaken, this is bruce lee

>>2907911
watch vilppu, draw gestures, draw all the references posted in these threads and study from your favorite hentai artists

Also draw a lot of cute grils everyday

>>2907926
this + loomis hands

>>2907926
Drawing cute grills check, doing some figure drawing as well been, reading loomis and watching proko but it's pretty hard to wrap my head around the whole figure drawing thing. I also found that there's life drawing once a week just 5 minutes from my house so need to check that out as well. I just don't feel very comfortable drawing around other people.

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>>2907901
cool hat!
>>2907911
use hand references?

cute ass

how is this

>>2907941
>(((proko)))

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Rip me up senpai

Fuck, when did everyone get so good in /beg/?

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>tfw to many pens

how do I store my pens? managing all these cases is cumbersome.

>>2908140
>floofy kitty
somthing somthing your art is shite somthing

Now post more cats.

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>>2908147
ive been drawing for one week now. my goal is to be able to do my cute kitty justice one day.

>>2908140
>store my pens
Put them in a cup, eventually you will find that you only use 2-3 pens and those will get promoted to being on your desk, and at this point you can just throw away the cup of unused pens.

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Oh god what have I done, tell me all the things that suck about this /ic/

>>2908170
i'd really like to segregate them by color though because im a racist, and having 4-5 cups seems annoying.

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>>2907436
>get better with practice but most days im shit but do really well on some days seemingly by accident and cannot replicate it.

>>2908190
keep grinding and consistency will follow

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Self portrait I did. Thoughts?

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Thoughts on this?

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I feel like I'm getting a hang of making my eyes more round.

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>>2908242
just made this

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>>2908188
I keep my markers in cups for color separation (yeah I know it's bad for them), but I don't use enough pens to keep in cups. Like I was saying before, I really only use 2-3 pens ever. The others were just a curiousity, and I eventually archive them.

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>>2908242
You are skipping steps. Basic proportions are way off and no muscle on the human body is sharp.

>>2908263
Just how rich are you anon? Share with the poorfags.

>>2908288
>Just how rich are you anon?
Drawing is not an income producing activity. I have a job that allows me to have money to spend on my hobbies.

Regardless, I bought the markers on eBay for like $3 a marker, and my mom buys me my other art stuff because I think she secretly wants me to be an artist (and no - I don't live with my parents). I don't play video games, and I don't go out much. I live a relatively low consumption life...

>>2907753
Bro, how did you get through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain? I didn't get too far in because there was over 75% philosophical and psychological science and barely any actual exercises. I tried it for maybe five days and got tired; I've been on a PDF version of Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson, and it's had a lot more exercises for me to work on.

>>2908303
Only an idiot gets distracted by the science, too true for you?

>>2908265
this looks like a nice chart

>>2908304
It's not that I don't agree with the science, I mostly didn't care about it, but I didn't enjoy a book that was mostly trying to distract me while forcing me to start skimming through for something to be practice on, that's all.

>>2908304
Nah, to be fair to anon, you kind of need to be warned that Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is mostly crap, and should only be used for the exercises. Most people go into books with the intent to read them thoroughly, that book is a case where that's not the best strategy.

>>2908307
Literally just googled human proportions. I belong in this thread as well.

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pls no bully

>>2908311
>>2908304
Anon from >>2908303 here, just so you have some reference I guess

In order of drawing, Top left, top right, high middle right, stravinsky, fallout bobblehead, my timbs, bottom (today, not long ago I drew the weird plant thing I found outside.)

My worst offender is the "from memory" drawing that was the first assignment in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, I can't show that to my girlfriend at all; I would be offended lmao. One below it is the mirror image Betty wanted me to draw, followed by my hand. It was pretty soon after that that I checked out though.

I know they suck, but I want to get better. I've gone through five years in a high school that has me fix planes and engines, and the only time they had us do anything related to art were the blueprint-style drawings they had us create before making a part. As a result I can at least tell when proportions are off and I can tell what's shitty, so I keep a self-deprecating attitude that motivates me to improve. Only issue is my patience with Betty Edward's book :/

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>>2908330
WHOOPS FORGOT TO POST PIC

>>2908331
Breddy gud
Gud looking too

>>2908331
>>2908330
>>2908311
>>2908304
>>2908303
>>2908334
(Spam replying (you)s)

But yeah I find Keys to Drawing a lot more engaging for me, maybe because my high school environment was totally geared around direct attitudes and all instructors/students had literally no time for mixed signals and passive aggressiveness when there was a fuel leak in one of the tanks that had to be fixed lmao

So please criticize/roast me, but in a way that I can learn from it. Thank you for your time.

>>2908197
wow youre really ugly

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>>2907433
>>2907413
i tried

>>2907347
so I know most of /ic/ only does drawing but anyone know some cheap but decent clay to get me started in sculpting?

>>2907436
>all this shit and I'm still practising

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>>2908491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

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Self portrait of me when I was in middle school. Does it suck?

>>2908536
Yup!

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>tfw been drawing everyday for a whole year and I'm still complete shit
I draw and I draw and nothing comes out, it's just failure after failure. I suck it up and draw some more but I don't know how long I can keep this shit up. People aren't supposed to be this shit after a year, I've seen people progress so much faster. It just seems so hopeless.

>>2908549
Go to pixiv or deviantart and look up people who still draw like shit after three, five, seven years since they started. Calm yourself down and resolve to not become one of them.

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I tried practicing perspective and it got out of hand.
How can I make this better?
Is there anything good about it?
What's terrible about it?

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flat colors, any advice before moving on?

>>2908627
Better lines. More definition.

>>2908638
Thank you. I was intending to do away with all lines and have it solely be in color (eventually) but what do you mean by "more definition?"

>>2908176
Sticky.
>>2908123
Don't shade until you have proper linework.
I mean, look at that left eye.
>>2908536
Sticky.

>>2908640
If your lines are clearer and flowing.
You'll have more definition.
If you have a couple of lines scratchy it means
you're not sure where the "correct" line is.
Figure out the right lines and it will give it definition.

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>>2908645
Follow up.
If you're not sure about these areas.
Do studies of feet and hands.
Rendering with this sort of vague representation of shapes will be a nightmare if you start now.

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>>2907351
How is it?

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>>2907351
tried painting this

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>>2907352
That was hard, but a lot of fun too.

>asked mummy for a sketchbook
>she gets me a pile of wank 'book' of essentially printer paper
>can't rub out on it ONCE without the paper itself beginning to rub off
I quit art now and ITS ALL HER FAULT

>>2908288
Some people have boats, anon. Envy is a sin.

>>2908536
>craaaaaaawling in my skiiiiiin

How are markers different from brush point pen?

>>2908715
Damn, would be quite good if it weren't for the ruined eyes. Too far apart and the right one's shape is way too off.

>>2908729
It would be your fault, and you perfectly know it yourself. Don't whimper, you pathetic son of a bitch. Don't make excuses. It's you who must choose your path.

>>2908718
The hair looks really good

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>Try to draw anything
>All I end up doing is 2 or 3 pages those Peter Han/Draw a Cube/Le Mec exercises but all wrong and every line feels wonkier than ever.
>Try to draw stuff from life all around the house to apply Keys to Drawing (just started) and Damien Iten stuff I read but everything looks like ass.
>Draw a bunch of cubes in perspective.
>Every time I attempt to draw anything that's for fun I hate it and stop

The only upside is that I'm drawing more that I do normally but I don't think that's enough.

Help

>>2908772
Maybe you just don't like drawing?

>>2908593
It looks very nice, I'd encourage going with more saturated colors to emphasize the darkest shadows and the brightest lights.

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>>2908772
Take a look-see

don't shoot me for this but can you draw anime/stylized heads with the loomis head construction method? Whenever I see stylized head construction they typically start with an oval or a massive skull. I have no problems applying the loomis head method to photos of real people but it looks out of proportion if i try to apply it to stylized images.

>>2908798
Loomis wants you to draw a globe but anime is really more of a shovel. The eyes and ears and nose lines still matter though. However Loomis is going to emphasize facial features that don't really get used in anime (cheek bones and such that are really only represented by lighting or profile in anime)

So kind of, but why shoe horn it when there's good anime references?

>>2908804
>shovel
I'm stealing this

>>2908718

her hair is nice, flowy. everything has a soft touch to it but the face has a liiiiiiiittle bit too much contrast, looks almost like she got punched in the nose

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>>2908791
Oh I really enjoy drawing but since I started doing exercises it just seems that I'm not up for it. I know it's a thing a lot of beginners go through but it still sucks, lad. Seeing how much there is between me and drawing cute girls and comics is kinda daunting.

>>2908796
>There are no rules

I know this because everyone has way diffferent experiences about everything, but I keep trying to find an "objective" path to getting good even if I know there isn't anything like that.

I am constantly worried I learned everything the wrong way which is why I get so stressed.

>>2908715
The mouth is a completely different one from the reference. Keep practicing.

/beg/ how do i stop fucking chicken scratching

>>2908898
Hold your pencil differently or learn to fade out your strokes.

Go look at some other artists and watch how they draw.

>>2907815
I had a safe for my supplies at one point but fuckers went and stole that too

>>2908907
Cut out a hole in the wall and then hide it in there

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What do you think, guys?

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i just couldn't get his mouth right for fucks sake

any other critique would help, it was just a sketch though but i wanna make it better and idk howwww

>>2908772
Just draw what you want and when it comes out looking like shit draw it again but slightly better. At least you'll have fun even if you learn slower.

Not sure why, but I really feel like recommending this video to any fellow beginners. For some reason seeing how he starts out his figure drawing here really made the process clear to me. Before I was really confused about where to start, etc. This really helped me with how to take measurements and especially how to find the angles before starting the actual drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5WYXRfmM4&index=1&list=LLw7A_ctxUhyB61AI1lsiQqg

How do you practice proportions, Ive been doing some gesture drawing and i know you shouldnt focus too much on proportions but my drawings looked so fucked. I know how to measure in heads but i don't really know how to measure when things foreshorten

I've read sticky, it directs me to Loomis and Drawing from right-side, i have studied and chaotically applied these books last year and it was last year when i tried to get into drawing and dropped/failed.

I feel like i need some sort of more clear instructions, can you please tell what my daily drawing routine should be for first few thousand hours?

Im a beginner who aims to draw his own manga/comic stories.

>>2908822
>>2908772
Also to be clear, I have drawn since middle school but never had the willpower or attention span for it so now I'm gonna try to grind since the beginning. Not that I have the attention span but I'm gonna force it in slowly.

>>2908963
I wanna work this hard but if I have a bad day I'm gonna do that.

>>2908929
loomis

>>2908898
draw a line and if it looks bad just restate it instead of feeling it out

do a LOT of exercises of just drawing curves/basic shapes and also draw a figure 8/pringle but keep going over it as fast as you can while trying to stay over the original mark

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Before I start rendering this one, do you notice any serious errors in anatomy or foreshortening? I'm pretty sure the composition is fucked and needs to have some beach and/or sky added to it (maybe I should even move the horizon upwards). The upside-down girl's right foot most likely needs to have its angle fixed. Yuuka's shoulder needs moderate rework. Anything else?

>>2907857
>>2907859
Guess I'll have to let my wood be the judge then. As of now, I like the third version the most, but I'll wait and see how it looks when fully rendered. The middle one lacks the seductivity I cherish; it is more of a hungry, impatient look, typical of overly assertive American women (IDK though, maybe that's just movie and porn actresses acting out their part).

>>2908999
is this a new meme?

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>>2907353
I did this, feedback is appreciated, trying to work on gesture, construction, anatomy.

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>>2908999
HE'S AT IT AGAIN

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>no one will ever reply HES AT IT AGAIN to your post

when you make it will you ever come back to /beg/ to make fun of eric?

>>2909027
If you're tough, you may just follow your own unique path of a stubborn mad genius and create many Frankensteins before you finally become able to devise Yorha No.2 Type B (for Booty).
If you're seriously hurt when people call you names (along with your pictures) and give you little constructive feedback (leaving you to ponder whether you are being ignored or actually gittin' guder), then you're probably happier as you are now. Although it begs a question whether you'll ever make it, being softer than Youmu.

>>2909027
If you drew cute anime girls, I would give a (You) every time

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Blin

>>2909027
just repeatedly post clearly inexperienced illustrations with no self awareness or humility until people start getting annoyed

>>2909057
>annoyed
>not jealous

>>2909019
Get out of that comfort zone and PUSH YOURSELF (with every move you make) and at least try to draw the hands/feet/face. Even do a before/after picture if you know you'll fuck them up.

Off to a good start since you seem capable of drawing steady lines in different weights.

>>2909055
Seems alright although some of the rendering seems off. Is this referenced or constructed?

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Every second I am the father to an inert burst of oxygen lol

>>2909061
i'm just copy pic like idiot
it's referenced if i have to take more time
i will do

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Poster maker here, in college, basically my high school graffiti styled art

>>2909061
I figured i would tackle it topic by topic, following vilppus drawing lectures, but you are probably right, more practice can't hurt either way, so i'll be doing that, thanks.

>>2909062
Holy shit you can actually use a pencil, I'm jealous.

>>2909064
Copying is referencing and you still learn from it.

>>2909067
Always go the distance. Step by step you'll figure things out on your own which will help when you get to those topics or subjects that had you scratching your head. You'll have a higher chance of things that are already in your head clicking instead of trying to wrap your mind around a new idea. And in constructive drawing, everything ties back into assembling forms. Hands and feet and the face are just forms and surfaces, like the overall structure of the body. It's like a fractal: you zoom in and see the same thing you were looking at but repeated.

>>2909065
I never did graffiti stuff in my books, is it just a black person thing?

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>>2909059
Tbh, he's right about "clearly inexperienced" and "getting people annoyed," but that doesn't stop my jimmies from getting kinda rustled when I don't even know the level of a guy criticizing me with such words or know it to be much lower. (I welcome constructive feedback without any regards to skill, obviously.) I'm sure anybody who's been in my shoes shares the sentiment, as proven by the last argument I had the displeasure of participating in.

>>2909062
You seem to be getting better each time. Remember that ears are placed much closer to the back of the head in a 3/4 view, so the top left head in the middle sheet is ruined. The lowest one has uneven eyes, it's like somebody flayed his skin and clumsily put it back again, like in Face/Off. The head on the rightmost sheet looks alien/degenerate because of the placement of its eyes and nose, but the one on the small cut below is actually decent.

>>2909065
Looks like you just closed your eyes and started scribbling randomly. Graffiti discussion should probably go to /b/ unless your goal is painting murals.

>>2909082
>but that doesn't stop my jimmies from getting kinda rustled when I don't even know the level of a guy criticizing me with such words or know it to be much lower
This is irrelevant. It's like how someone can be hypocritical but still be right. The number one quality an artist needs is humility. If you can't accept you're not good and just shrug off criticism for being too harsh, you'll never find incentives to improve.

/ic/ anonymous criticism is brutal though, so just try to take it lighter and not literally. Make sure you're at least taking it at all and not deflecting it

>>2909082
we are all /beg/
one /beg/ can tell another what he is doing wrong both in mindset and fundies.
ur a fag

>>2909065
fuck this picture

>>2909077
Thank you
>>2909082
For the help I'm grateful; I think I see what you mean now

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Here is something I drew from reference. I know it's unoriginal but what is it that people on reddit/deviantart don't seem to like?

>>2909105
Talent; they don't like talent

>>2909105
It's not interesting

When are the times I should and should not use the airbrush tool? I understand that overusing will look terrible, but I don't really understand why, especially since It seems like it's the best tool for smooth transitions.

It seems like when it comes to value, I should use the airbrush (and erase for hard edges), and when it comes to color I should blend with harder brushes, is this accurate?

>>2909125
Why don't you just paint a few swatches and try airbrushing/hard blending on different settings? There's no objectively right way of doing it

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what can be fixed about this before continuing?

>>2909131
learn realism before stlyised

>>2909105
If I were to venture a guess at what you were getting at... are they mad she's unrealistically black?

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>>2909082
I'm starting to doubt if I should stay in this general when people like you are drawing abominations then going on to try to tell others how to draw.

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I very much like to free-hand draw but I despise doing any sort of grid work like in Scott Robertson tutorials

Is it really that essential to grid every single piece of art that you do?

>>2909147
this pic is cute and makes me feel sad

>>2909131
ho boy (all directions are from the subject's perspective)
>neck is 2d
>left arm is emerging from the back and has no shoulder (this could be fixed easily by making the back line extend higher up)
>tiddies are too angular and nips should be pointing down at that size
>right tiddie attached incorrectly
>just fucking downsize the tiddies before you learn how they work
>hips attach too low, the JOINT is at the pelvis, but the muscles should extend higher up
>back of left thigh should curve directly into the back
>perspective on left thigh is fucked
>somehow positioned right thigh correctly regardless
>crotch is pointy? should be curved and smaller with part of the leg's connection visible
>thighs appear to terminate too early, even considering its cut off

Construct with FORMS in mind, not flat shapes. Think of how things fit together in a 3d space and envision contours.

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>>2909110
Thanks dude!

>>2909140
Well I drew her from a well liked photo. I think I made her lighter, if anything.

>>2909150
Do you think you need to grid a full profile face?
Perspective isn't real. It's just there to help you translate spatial objects convincingly unto a flat plane.

>>2909087
I've long since accepted that I'm a beginner and far from drawing well overall. That I have stated many times up to now. (It doesn't stop me from liking my relatively better works and being proud of my progress, and it shouldn't stop anyone.) Even so, I was told that I improve surprisingly fast many times. And I notice that some of the things I draw look great enough to receive honest praise. I'm no Solomon and so can't afford to choose between several conflicting opinions of equal weight too, as in >>2907849. I do read any feedback and never shrug off a constructive comment pointing out my flaws, but it's impossible for me to seriously listen to something like "kys," "ur a fag," "everything's ruined" when the poster doesn't bother to explain his opinion at all. That's why I try to point out precise flaws and best points when it's my turn to give feedback to someone. After all, when you know first-hand how irritating it is, why would you be a faggot to others, who never offended you?

I shall add that harsh but solid and precise criticism always motivated me to overcome my flaws fast. In fact, I find it weird and disturbing lately, getting almost no negative comments at any place I go to, while also receiving less praise for my efforts. I'm starting to feel insecurity and doubt:
>> leaving you to ponder whether you are being ignored or actually gittin' guder

Did I really learn to fuck up a lot less? Is it that I just seek advice from other beginners who can see major fuck-ups but aren't keen enough to notice minor ones? Have I reached the point of stagnation and since there's no improvement, newest pictures don't impress as much in comparison to the ones before them. Or is it that I don't actually learn anything by observing? It's hard to tell, but it's even more hard to believe that the latter is true, given I'm getting more favorable comments.

>>2909147
Abominations or sexy women with arousing faces? See, I have to choose between opinions again.

>>2909150
No. You can prove it yourself, try drawing without Robertson guidelines and see if your arms explode.

>>2909105
At first I was wary this was a copypasta or meme but you seem honest and I honestly can't tell you why that would make shitters mad. Without nitpicking it seems like a perfectly decent study.

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>>2909159
I mean I can do it albeit I have perspective problems because of it, but like I just really hate creating these gay fucking grids and lines

>>2909162
If you're drawing a building (interior), vehicle, robot, etc then obviously you have to use perspective and vanishing points to get things right. If you're drawing more organic or stylized subjects then the most you should need is bounding boxes and maybe some guidelines/center lines.

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>>2909162
stop chickenscratching

>>2909161
Thanks man. Not memeing, just getting a lot of indifference. Even my more creative OC will sit on deviantart with 5-10 views, something I thought was reserved for super low effort posts.

>>2909162
Nigga hold down shift please, fuck.

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>>2909219
>doing clean lines on your sketch layer

???

>>2909233
Who cares if it's a "sketch layer" hold down shift.

>>2909233
Whoa
That looks way better

>>2909236
WHY
MIGHT AS WELL OPEN UP LINE TOOL AND WORK THAT WAY
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU LEARN HOLDING SHIFT ANON
HUH?

>>2909241
What do you learn from chicken scratching and having your lines look like they were drawn by a nigga with parkinson?

>>2909242
You will do well on deviantart my friend.

>>2909244
you learn to not chicken scratch you stupid fuck
You don't get muscle memory by just lazily skipping shit

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helle it me

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real simpall always 3D

>>2909250
God speed, boss rob. I am saving all of your posts

>>2909248
>insulting me for no reason
Wew lad go fuck yourself cunt I was about to tell you to try it on paper if you want to get better at doing lines in a nice way but no you just had to go ahead and be a stupid ass inbred fucking cunt
Kill yourself you piece of shit.

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>>2909242

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myeah

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>>2909251
thank u am bigest fan ever since kids stop speaking to me

>>2909255
Boss rob: do you think you could do one other?

>>2909252
>I'm not going to improve because someone was mean to me >:(

Not going to make it.

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zoowhea mama

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>>2909257
what?

>>2908942
I think the issue is when you do that with your mouth it pushes the mustache out more

>>2909241
A pencil is a tool
A ruler is a tool
A line tool is... a tool

Being an artist isn't about the tools you use, but how you use them.

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>>2909162
some of your lines are pretty decently eyballed, otheres are ridiculously off. Sorry I redlined your sketch didin't see the new one.

>>2909219
>>2909233
your sketch should be somewhat accurate and holding shift will get your lines perfectly straight, and also save time sketching. And who cares if your sketch lines are clean or not, it's a sketch mang.

>>2909338
ahh also I forgot to ask, what are those rectangles on the floor?

>>2909162
stop using short strokes, it makes everything look awful and incredibly amateurish, do clean swipes or use shift clicks ( if using photoshop, not sure about other software )
right now it looks like elementary schooler's first scribble

>>2909340
Have you not been to the hospital? They have random arrows leading you places on the floor.

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>>2909338
Like specific tiles
I got confused before on perspective and I had a floaty looking door in the fore ground so I added in some tiles to get a better sense of the horizon line

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>>2909319
>>2909347
I think using things like line tool and such can be extremely effective if you know how to use proper coloring to get a more amazing sense of realism but my colors are pretty bad so rather then produce a sort of sketch-up style of art I rely more on these kind of shitty line strokes to give the piece some kind of advantage in uniqueness

Sort of like how Danny Antonucci purposely made the coloring overflow linework to make ed,edd, n eddy feel more cartoonish

I really want to get to that sort of level then any kind of serene realism

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>>2907347
Onto the fuckin scrap heap it goes, does this count as 'Mileage' if you feel like it was a waste of time?

>>2909451
Everything is mileage, by definition.

It's not a waste of time if you learned something from it.

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I can only do sketches properly, how do i git gud at linework?

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>>2908727
It's looking good. You're getting the general shapes of the head, but some of the major values are missing.

Your face is too gray which conveys a darker skin tone and flattens the image. If you blur your eyes, you'll see that it flattens to the background.

You can easily alleviate that by adding more to your values. Add some near whites and some darker grays where they should be. Think about the lighting, what direction it's coming from, what's being hit by it and what's not.

The hair is simple. It's not just a bunch of strands. Think of it as large blocks of value and then add the strands afterwards.

Also, don't be lazy and finish the collar!

here's a paintover

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>>2909359
I've been to a hospital before, it's just this didin't look like one to me.

>>2909364
>>2909364
I have no idea which one of you is the original Anon. But I really think that you should study up on perspective. You sorta have the right idea but I can tell that you don't really understand it because you only apply proper perspective to obvious things. All paralel lines will have the same vanishing point, which includes the tiles. And something that should be obvious is that anything bellow the eye level should be pointing upwards, and anything above should be pointed downwards (I'm looking at the doors windows, like come on mang). Also since if you openned a door the top and bottom are no longer paralel to everything else it would have it's own vanishing point along the eye level. (I eyeballed it so it's probably not so accurate haha)

>>2909233
>>2909492
my dumb ass replied to the same image twice kek

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i hate myself and everything i draw

>>2909498
Yeah I hate you and everything you draw too
Now post your work

What

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>>2907347
Im new and have been practicing like the sticky said. I really like art styles like this.

Are there good resources for practicing anatomy or renaissance/araki like art styles?

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So I looked for a comic artist for a while before deciding I was too broke and finicky.

So I decided to try my hand at drawing again. I used to draw a lot. So I started in trying to do relatively simple figure studies and like the circle's for muscles skeleton type drawings.

I can post the garbage I would doodle from time to time a year ago for perspective but this is where I'm at. I think I got the reference on line-of-action

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>>2909514
I've also been working on trying to stretch poses and anatomy to convey motion but I think I just make it look sloppy as fuck.

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I can't stop drawing but I hate it all.
It's like taking a long agonizing shit and every time you get off the can you have to hop right back on.

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in midst of studying and working I never find time to draw anymore. Not that I couldn't, I just don't push it. So I found time today and what the fuck did i forget. Everything. This is so flat and wonky, and to think I was impressed. woah.

>>2909525
this.

it's meth with no euphoria.

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>>2909514
colored version.

>>2909087
That's all he does is deflect criticism. Then pats himself on the back for it like so >>2909158

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New.

sticky is a meme

>>2909556
What do you want advice on, anon? What problems do you have with what you're drawn that you'd like assistance with?

>>2909556
Oh neat, I appreciate that you attempted a more dynamic pose, thank you.

The legs show that my fears were correct however, I think you need to work on your foreshortening a little because they're huge but the image has a lot more energy in it than anything you've posted so far so keep it up.

>>2909181
this is my situation in everything I do. And people generally tell me I'm not bad if I get a response. but it's always indifference.

for years in music, in writing, in art I've been looking for some kind of response and it's generally silence or a "good job".

I'd prefer someone tell me I do something wrong.

>>2909105
is berry gud man.

The only thing I could dislike about it is that you left out the beautiful green background which accentuated the blue. Also missing some of the green tones on her face too.

>>2909254
now this is something I can get behind

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Here are some heads I drew starting from yesterday to today. Feedback appreciated.

Sorry for the long picture.

>>2909630
what do you draw on?

my mum bought me a ton of shitty printer paper to draw on and i hate it!!

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>>2909630
oops, I forgot a set lol

>>2909635
Same, shitty printer paper. Not too bad if I stack them up. What do you not like about it?

>>2909638
scale the size of those nose and eyes back just a tad

>>2909644
ok, will do. thanks

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Trying to get good at laying lines down, seriously loathing my tablet. It's a non-pressure-sensitive, non-screen, 8"-4"(?) piece of shit. Check out the freehand lines I did below my practice, note the "pixely" wobbles and the laggy skips, I swear those aren't me, that's digital interference.

Is it possible to get good and overcome this shit? Or should I punt on this and either buy a better tablet or switch to traditional?

>>2909665
Adding on to this, the fact that where I'm pointing my stylus and the screen are two separate places really makes things harder than when I just draw with pencil, or the few times I've drawn on something nice like a big monitor cintiq. Is it something to get used to, something that's less obnoxious with a nice tablet, or something to ditch ASAP?

>>2909474
Being more deliberate.
>>2909665
You can always practice your fundies traditional.

>>2909514
>>2909516
This is bad anon.
Have you read the sticky?
If you haven't look it up.
I think you should start with 30-60s gesture studies.

>>2909670
>You can always practice your fundies traditional.
In the meantime, I plan to, but I'm worried these sorts of issues will stop me from doing digital work at any point. That's why I'm curious if there's a solution, or if I'd need to upgrade.

>>2909683
You can't work digital without pressure sensitivity.
When it comes to the issue of two separate places,
you should get used to it with practice.
But I'd rather if you did traditional until you upgrade.

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I want to die

shit, I drew something on the wrong layer in photoshop. how do I move it to a different layer?
is there a way to cut a shape and make a new transparent layer with it?

>>2909719
>cut
>paste
>suddenly on new layer

>>2909720
thanks. but it also picked up some of the white background with it, is there a way to select a color and delete it or do I have to erase all the white by hand?

>>2909722
Well, does it matter if you're going to merge it again? If it does, then yeah, you're just going to have to erase it. Magic wand lets you highlight what areas that are able to be touched, so you could also use that to delete them.

>>2909722
Use wand tool, you nigger. Or, in this case only, Digimarc's "Remove white" plugin to boast before your imaginary friends how smart you are.

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A begineer, 2 days ago in 17. Who yet again have not read the rules? What's the point of having a thread if none cares anyway.

[Note: If you would have done your re-search you would have known that i am not the artist of this picture, under copyright law 1976]

>>2909731
English only.

>>2907347
-------

So you obliviously do not know how rules work, that goes for both ways where your server is and from where you are, i can see why so many left this site many years ago. Yes, by all means try to go under international freedom of speech and see how that turns out for you, especially since that is what your own "New" President is doing daily.

>tfw know exactly what you want but can't find reference even close

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>>2909755

Just a quick, dumb question. So, I need a tablet for two things. Number one is reading a Hebrew Bible. I'm planning to learn Hebrew lol, and I need a tablet for it because I don't see that I can read ArtScroll stuff without one, and they make quality stuff as far as this goes. Secondly, I want to start learning to draw. So, the question is, can I use reading apps on graphic tablets? I'm not sure if I'll buy one straight away anyways but it helps to know, I suppose.

>>2909769
If you wanna read, a "reading tablet" is the best and only choice, like a kindle. You can't do much else with it, but the screen strains your eyes a lot less.

>>2909769
Dumb question it is. Only the most expensive graphic tablets have an actual display. If you're willing to spend $2k just to be able to read a Hebrew Bible, well, nice going there, goy. I think even buying a simple graphic tablet for drawing WITH a tablet PC just for your first purpose would cost much less.

>>2909771
Can you can read with apps other than Kindle on Kindle e-readers?

>>2909772
Okay, thanks, I had no idea about the display thing. I'm a total newbie here.

>>2909773
You know what, I'll ask the Kindle question elsewhere, unless someone kindly answers.

>>2909773
No idea.

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Oh my fucking god gestures are hard.

>>2909777
It gets easier, have you checked out Croquis Cafe on youtube? It's a great resource for figure drawing with structured sessions

>>2909777
Use the strongest lines for the main movement gesture lines.
Do loads of these and do them quick.
It kind of sinks into your head.
You'll realize in a month or so.

>>2909670
Hmmm, what do you mean by deliberate?

>>2909780
>>2909781
Will do.

>>2909791
More careful. Observe the shape, scale, angle then make a stroke, as perfect as you can.

>>2909797
Oh i see, i'll try that
thanks duderito

>>2909805
No problem anon. Emphasize shadows with stronger lines.
Try to represent the shapes with as few lines as possible, make them flowing, from your shoulder, that's what makes good linework.

New draw man here. I've hit the sticky, gotten the stuff, and I'm putting in the time (as much as I can manage, usually 1-2 hours daily right now though I want to expand later). I'm interested in grinding the fundamentals (and currently doing so), but in terms of the suggested books, that means just copying all of the examples, I'm guessing? And drawing from life of course. How do you guys prefer to grind so you can learn as quickly and as effectively as possible?

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Critiques please

>>2909674
I really don't feel like being read as being a faggot about this. But that's not helpful. What's bad about it? I'm not mad, sad, salty or anything but it is annoying to read that. I can't get better if i don't know what to improve.

Seriously, don't hold back. But telling somebody something is just "bad" and "read the sticky" is an imprecise useless throwaway comment that you made more for yourself to say "that anon can't draw".

So whats bad? obviously my eye cant see otherwise I wouldn't have drawn it poorly.

Why does my figure drawings from imagination turn out better than when doing them from reference?

>>2909665
turn off press and hold to right click in your pen and touch settings

but if your tablet doesn't have pressure sensitivity just practice with pencil and paper until you can afford a better tablet

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>>2909389
>so rather then produce a sort of sketch-up style of art I rely more on these kind of shitty line strokes to give the piece some kind of advantage in uniqueness

thats the biggest pile of garbage I've read on /ic/ this past few weeks
i get that you dont want to use the line tool, but using "being unique" as an excuse to chicken scratch is complete bullshit.
YOU ARE SHIT, just try to improve instead of coming up with excuses
no matter what style you are going for, you need to be able to draw a straight line longer than 1 inch

there are a bunch of ways to draw a building using straight lines without making it sketch-up-ish, like in this (shit quality) image

>>2909867
sometimes there are so many bad things about a drawing thats hard to pinpoint specific things. its just bad.

grab an artist you look up to, and put one of their drawings next to yours, then compare. usually walking away from the drawing for a couple of hours/ days makes it easier to spot mistakes, sometimes even just taking a step back.


my biggest problem with your second drawing is the line weight. by making the chest/abs lines darker than pretty much everything else, you are shifting the viewers attention towards them, instead of what matters (the kick i suppose)


oh and you do you have an harder pencil? the one you are using is too soft for this type of drawings. Or even just switch to a pen, its more intimidating because you cant erase, but its worth it.


and i'll probably get shat on by posting this but you should check out Proko, maybe you'll learn a few things from him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ktfwayByRU

>>2909867
Be careful writing such things, anon. They receive a less than lukewarm welcome here.
To answer your question, anatomy is indistinct and screwed. Google some references of "nude woman back" or look up sketchfab link I left in this thread previously and use other 3d models by that artist. There is literally no part that looks OK in itself, and I don't even mention in relation to others. The worst are her arms, pelvis and hip region, then her feet and seemingly displaced head. The bird guy is completely unrealistic, and if you blame that on stylization, then why do you even want criticism on it? Nobody would be able to tell what is correct in your stylized world.

>>2909903
Please stop projecting the "it's just style guys" shit on me. I never said that or even eluded to it. Didn't even come close to that response. I actually specifically said I want criticism to get better. Telling me "it's bad" isn't criticism. It's purely self serving.

I truly thank you for actually telling me what part of the anatomy looks wonky. Really, truly, sincerely, whatever word I have to use to fellate you enough. But if I hadn't replied with that post neither you or the other kid would have given me anything to work with. So, no I don't need to be careful; my response was not the problem. It yielded the results I desired. The "it's bad" bullshit is the problem.

Now that I know where my most notable problems are and can improve.

So thank you.

But it is bad. Just that.

>>2908804
doing the anime "shovel" feels... unclean? but honestly it's hard to tell how they constructed the head if the stylized head isn't 100% kawaii ugu anime.

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I drew myself and I noticed that my left eye is larger than my right in this 3/4 view, but the right eye near the, um, forgot the name of the pink bit near the tear duct, looks deformed. My left pupil is also too small for how close it is to what would be the view. Can you guys please critique this? This is exercise 1-D on Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson; I am also >>2908331

>>2909927
It would be unwise to repeat my mistakes and turn into a local meme. Just warnin' you, if you want to continue receiving constructive feedback and have no other place to turn your work in for critique.

>>2909943
I get what you're saying but /ic/ is a local meme for being like this. I honestly didn't believe it could be so nonconstructive.

I simply posted a drawing I know isn't "good" but thats the point. I want to get better. If I thought I was good I'd go to the actual draw thread. You'd think criticism wouldn't be so hard to find but apparently this exists as more of a quality identification thread if I had to rustle jimmies just to get some usable feedback.

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I started drawing daily somewhat recently and tried some tutorials on youtube, tried to do some drawabox.com stuff, and i feel kinda confused rn. So i thought maybe i should start submitting whatever i did to get some critique. I aim for kinda of manga/comics style.
http://imgur.com/a/EsiGK
http://imgur.com/a/CdPho

>>2908643
I'm not one of these anons but why are >>2908176
>>2908536
>sticky

but this isn't
>>2908331

>>2909972
Because he's a beginner sharing his progress on the exercises in Keys to Drawing (i.e. literally already went to the sticky and is just making sure he's not fucking up) while the other two are just "haha look at this random drawing" with little context.

>>2909988
>>2909972
For the record, all of the posts I make link back to the others, if there's any confusion;
>>2909940
>>2908331
Are both me, but the other posts are not. I don't wanna namefag tho.

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>>2909062
Today I also drew

>draw anatomy for 2 months straight
>still cant connect head to body
Why is this so hard for me

>>2910101
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>2909867
>>2909927
>>2910002
I told you to start with gesture if you want to draw figures.
What's not constructive about that.
I literally told you, where you are at right now is really basic.
Start doing gestures and more "draw what you see" exercises and you will get better.

>>2910088
Aliens again, except the balding dude at the very top. The swamp landscape is bretty gud.

What is the best way to grip the pen when you're using a tablet? Maybe it's because my tablet is ancient and shitty but the overhand grip seems really impractical and almost impossible because the sides of the nib don't seem to register anyway.

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I'm going to post one more of these. Someone tell me, is this method alright?

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>>2910181
And, does anyone have a good reference book for the head/hands that isn't Loomis? I can't deal with the way he writes.

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>learning how to render with ink
>almost all tutorials are "draw a cricle and then draw the owl"

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>>2909936

>>2910166
That depends on your preferences and task. If your tablet is Medium size or bigger, I suggest trying to use the five-finger grip for drawing general lines from the shoulder and seeing how it works for you. It is essentially a three-finger grip though, you only really hold the pen with the ring, middle, and big fingers (if we don't count the base of the index finger).
Use a grip you're most familiar with for drawing details.

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Feedback please, help with rendering.

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shit on me, yeah I couldnt make up my mind on that ribcage line.

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Tried to color in sai but it turned out looking like a cheap newgrounds porn game. Oh well back to gesture drawing for now

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>>2910163
Thank you
>swamp
What do you mean swamp? That's where I live! :(

>>2910264
It does look like swamp, what's with this watery background and random naked trees sprouting from it.

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Just a quick question:
Does this look like a male or a female?
And then...
Does it look uncanny and/or alien?