I can't beat procrastination

>>2899460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmJ5RQ_uZRw

>>2899460
Not gonna make it

>>2899460
start livestreaming

>>2899460
Just pick up your tablet, open up any drawing program, start chicken-scratching all over the page, then very slowly render it into a horrid monstrosity with the airbrush tool. No more procrastination, only shitty art.

Be sure to auction it to your local museum if you can.

>>2899460
thats because youre not having fun

- Get a vpn
- Create an anonymous accounts on art site
- Trace and edit the work of pretentious artists for the laughs
- Upload to your gallery
- Have fun
- get account deleted
- start over again

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>>2899460

>Exercise
>Meditate
>Keto diet (best for maximum cognitive efficiency)
>Piracetam+Choline stack
>Modafinil


Yes, you can beat procrastination. It's still going to require you to suffer. For suffering is just part of life.

>>2899505
how do you get modafinil

>>2899511

Online Indian pharmacy, AllDayChemist is a good one. You might also want to read on Selegiline, it's a neuroprotective dopamine agonist that inhibits the breakdown of the neurotransmiter, so you have more dopamine in your system, at low doses is great for motivation and focus.

>>2899505
>OP struggles with procrastination
>give him a checklist of distractions

>>2899578

That's not how it works, setting yourself up for success will allow you to be more productive than being fucked, unhealthy and trying to half ass your way up.

>>2899460
>Fell for the procrastination meme

Kek you're not procrastinating you're just useless

That's because you know nothing will change no matter what you do, try taking on a huge and painful expense like having a kid to speed up the process of having your soul killed on this earth

>>2899466
>listening to a motivational speech in Ebonics
I've hit a new low. Thanks, /ic/.

>>2899679
>implying everyone who draws also exercises, meditates and buys into some bs diet
The guy just wants to stop procrastinating, not achieve enlightenment.

That obsessive "all or nothing" attitude is what makes people procrastinate the first place.

>>2899760

But you're wrong, it's the all or nothing attitude that makes people reach the top and stay there. no one has ever risen to the top by being a lazy ass with little ambition. The key is to learn how to manage that stress, and part of it is supplements, exercise and a good diet.

>>2899780
we're not talking about the top 1% faggot
we're talking about picking up a pencil

>>2899798

Where's the difference?

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>>2899460

>>2899807
Wisdom

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>>2899460
You obviously feel you have things you could enjoy more on your mind.
What you really need is inspiration from the work of artists you find interesting, then try to mimick their style if you like it enough.
But if being tired is what's making you procrastinate then stop masturbating and put that energy into something productive.
Also think more towards the outcome rather than the process, something to look forward to it a way.

>>2899460
I joined up with /las/ and been drawing every day for about a month now.
Try it out.

>>2899807
Saved.

>>2899807
>tfw on the journey to git gud we become buddhas

>>2899807
I wonder if that anon is still around.

>addicted to imageboards
>stop drawing every 30 mins because there could be interesting new threads
Just fucking end me already.

>>2899923
I do this but still get gains
Maybe you're doing it wrong

>>2899926
>but still get gains
Me too. Browsing imageboards is still useless though.

>>2899929
Close this thread and block the website in your hosts file http://www.wikihow.com/Block-a-Website-in-All-Web-Browsers

Free yourself

>>2899933
or just use a cracked version of coldturkey

>>2899935

There is a cracked version of that obscure software? I paid for mine.

I tried cold turkey but all that happens is that I get depressed and just replace my 4channing with sleeping. This place, whatever it is, there is some kind of curse that keeps you here forever and it's hard to break free from.

I also tried putting all porn sites I can find in my hostfiles. That helped a bit, but then I just come full circle and fap to loli hentai instead which is arguably even worse.

I found having a fulltime job prevents excessive fapping. I recently quit mine, went into relapse, but found temp work and haven't fapped at all since.

>>2899906
The topics are too vague, I just want to draw, not to think what to draw. Especially when I can't draw from imagination at all, it has to be something from a reference.

>>2900296
The topic challenge is optional you know?

>>2900300
I thought that was the point. I do shitty doodles everyday but that's nothing.

>>2899460
That's ok, you can beat it later

>>2899460

But you CAN beat it to procrastination, if you catch my drift. Wink, wink.

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>>2899807
There is really a case to be made for relaxation.

If you google it there are thousands of studies on Creativity and Relaxation.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/relaxation-increases-creativity-of-introverts-more-than-extraverts/
http://bigthink.com/insights-of-genius/relaxation-creativity-the-science-of-sleeping-on-it

Feng Zhu stresses over and over how important is to have a relaxing work station.

Kim Jung Gi does his relaxation drawings.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb, (not an artist but a very rigorous logician) claims that you become more stupid when you force yourself to do things. Which is why ideas and solutions pop out when you're not thinking too hard (like when walking or taking a bath).

In psychology, there concept of Flow. Pic related. Being in "the zone". Like when you're playing videogames, you're fully focused, and engaged to the point that you can't even hear the music. But to be able to achieve flow you must first achieve relaxation.

As Vilppu said, the impossible becomes possible when the problems are separated in steps. So you can break down the steps on making a painting to be as easy as possible. Change your game to the easiest difficulty. Make it so simple that you don't need motivation to paint.

>>2900655
>Kim Jung Gi does his relaxation drawings.
>tfw tried to pick this shit up this week
>realize that drawing isn't relaxing at all but a big fuck you at my lack of skill and ideas
I don't get it. What am I doing wrong?

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>>2900655
Beyond relaxation, I think the real problem is the Paradox of choice.

The concept of the Paradox of Choice is that the more options we have the less happy we are. Because you have less time to study which of the millions of options is the best, you'll feel like a failure after picking any of them.
https://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice#t-58985
>“Nobody makes plans because something better might turn up, and the result is that nobody ever does anything.”

And when you draw, you become GOD.

You can invent anything. You design and create machines. You can kill or give life people. You can create impossible scenery. You invent people and lifes. You create worlds. Therefore there is no end to the things you have to think about.

No other career forces you to invent stuff as much as art. You have to make all the decisions yourself. Others just sit there, problems are elegantly presented to them by an external force and they just apply their skills and go home with a fat paycheck.

We artists have to choose the context, then the problems, then choose which problems are worth solving and then solve them. you have to consider and choose even the smallest and most irrelevant things like the position of a finger. But if you get it wrong, people will notice and call you out on it.

At every step of a painting we are making decisions, and if your decisions lead to failure you'll take 100% of the blame. It's your mistake alone.

Choosing which route to take has nothing to do with SKILL, since seeing the future can't be a skill. It's not even hard work but it will obliterate your mind with stress.

And it's more stressful nowadays thanks to digital. In traditional if you made a shitty choice you had to stuck with it. Now with digital you can transform, undo, wrap, liquify, edit, resize,change colors, use layers, copy and paste, etc. You're free to do anything so you feel like doing nothing. It's like our videogame backlog.

>>2899505

doesn't keto kill your liver though

>>2900663
So far I have only found 3 solutions to solve this.

>1.-Limit your tools.
Most pro artists that I have researched limit themselves to very few brushes.

>2.-Accept that you'll miss on good decisions.
Imagine that you're drowning and people throw you several liferings. Don't think too much about which one to pick, because if you take too long you'll die before you're able to choose any.

>3.-Lower your standards.
This is very difficult to talk about. There is a saying that having low expectations is the key for happiness. However artists and art critics derive a lot of entertainment deciding the standards about art. This is what boards like /v/ or /tv/ are all about. Trying to decide if a movie is "up to the standards" is more fun than watching the movie itself. Arguing about porn is more fun than just masturbating to it.

The truth is that this game becomes a way to procrastinate. As long as you're not finishing anything, you won't be judged. But arguing about art still feels like a creative activity so you feel productive. The truth is that there will always be people who complain and bitch about what you draw. You have to realize that there are bad side effects to success no matter what you do. Completing your work is something that by definition will produce a lot of side effects beyond your control.

>If you land that well paying job, you will feel like you're not good enough to cope.
>If you lose weight, you 'll have to buy a lot of new clothes and keep tabs on your diet daily.
>If she accepts to be your gf, you'll have to put a lot of work into not disappointing her.

>>2900742
In art, when you make a successful painting you create a standard that you have to live up to, even though it took all of your strength to make that amazing piece. It becomes a ruler for your skill. So any less amazing work will be seen as trash. Or it can lead to a lot of attention from a bunch of people that you don't want to hear about. Or people will expect more of the same but you want to do different things.

Remember this: Changing your standards doesn't makes you a worse artist. It only changes the side effects of completing a painting.

Sit down and write all the good and bad side effects that will come from having high standards. Now write lower standards and list what would be the side effects of completing art under these new circumstances. Think of the money, the time, the effort, the rewards, the joy of working, the public acceptance.

Almost 100% of the time lower standards have more profitable side effects than whatever you can get from high standards.

>>2900745
>Almost 100% of the time lower standards have more profitable side effects than whatever you can get from high standards.

so that's why 99% of 4chode is impossible to please depressed sociopaths.

I thought it was because of piracy

>>2900753
So aim for 2nd place instead of first place?

>>2899760

You don't need to achieve enlightenment, but all of those things help you feel better and improve your motivation.

It's like saying "I want to drive but I don't want to refill my car and change my flat tire".

Trying to solve procrastination when you're undisciplined and unmotivated is less effective than trying to get to the root of your lack of discipline and motivation.

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>>2900758
>imagine getting first place when you thought you'd be first
>imagine getting first place when you thought you were second
>imagine getting first place when you thought you were in last place.
Which of these is better?

>>2900758

There's 'aiming for first' and then there's 'being a miserable crybaby if you don't get first', lots of /ic/ is the latter.

You can push yourself without holding yourself to needlessly high standards that make you miserable.

>>2900919
Life is pretty fucking boring. So what should I do?

>>2900919
The second one, obviously. The last one is just too fake. The first one is too scary. The second is just perfect surprise.

>>2899807
I needed this today. Thank you.

>>2900921
I have lost so many times that it's normal, if I had the chance, a real chance at being first. I had better get it. I would be pissed if I didn't after all this time.

But really, how do you push yourself without being miserable?

>Been feeling like shit because I've been procrastinating
>Feel like all my years spent practicing have been a waste because there I still have trouble with things I think I shouldn't have trouble with anymore

This thread helped me tonight. I spend so much time thinking about the destination that I forget to enjoy the journey.

>>2900659

>I don't get it. What am I doing wrong?

You're not experienced enough.

I don't even say that as a joke or to be mean, I say it because challenging yourself is rarely relaxing. It can be enjoyable to improve, but If you're challenging yourself it means you're thinking hard and you're learning (and when you're a beginner you've got a lot to learn). It's very hard to sort of 'switch your brain off and draw' when you're starting out. Learning, if you're doing it properly, is NOT supposed to be relaxing.

KJG has the ridiculous mileage and experience that he can do drawings that aren't demanding to him, but they would be demanding to somebody less experienced. For most people, 'switching your brain off and drawing' means trashy doodles that, once you're finished, you think look bad, which makes you feel bad.

I think being an intermediate is a special hell for trying to draw to relax. When you're a beginner you can draw crap and not really worry about it, but when you're an intermediate you know it's crap, you know you could do better if you applied yourself, you know all the shit you SHOULD be thinking about, but none of it is quite the level of muscle memory where you can do it intuitively.

>>2899460
you just don't have = or more than 2 ligaments

>>2900688

Where have you read that?

Turn off internet.
Really. Forget about existence of internet. Don't paid for it.

>>2901291
>tfw have enough offline resources to last more than one lifetime and really don't need Internet anymore

>>2901293
>download some offline games, TV shows, anime, books, manga, references etc
>drawing everyday for 8+ hours because I quit job
>playing games, watching and reading after hard work
>everything is fun
And now I waste my time reading shit and arguing with people in internet. Again. Jesus Christ. It's like I have addiction to internet communication but in same time don't have any problems without internet

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>>2899460
I can't beat masturbation...

>>2901447
you and all /ic/

>>2901447
draw with others
or draw outside of your home

>>2899807
This image is evil incarnate. It basically tricks naive artists into thinking that they shouldn't push themselves as hard as possible and that its okay to take a rest from drawing.

Talk about eliminating so much competition in one fell swoop all in the guise of helping out your fellow man. Genius really.

>>2901447
Draw with your dick.

>>2901521

>burnout doesn't exist
>everyone should just try to go full throttle from the beginning rather than developing discipline over time for longevity

look at this guy

>>2901521
You don't sprint a marathon.

>>2901525
>>2901532
Do I even need to say it?
NOT
GONNA
MAKE
IT

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>>2901535
Post your work, oh great Gonna-Make-It-er.

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>>2901521
>>2901535

Finally, a fellow robot. I bet you can't beat my 15 hours a day, pal. I am going to master perspective (all methods and techniques) in a year, probably less.

>>2901447
nobody can beat the cock

>>2901717
But I beat the cock several times a day...

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>>2901729

Why you abuse Roosters, mang?

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>>2901729
>2901729

>>2901535

This is the fag who starts his marathon with a sprint, starts bragging noisily about how far ahead he is of all those faggots behind him, then ends up finishing last.

There is no shame in pacing yourself, anonymous. Getting good at art isn't a sprint.

>>2901790
>tfw everyone makes you think getting good at life is a sprint

I hate it, it absolutely cripples me.

I'm a full blown NEET that hasn't left the house in months and I'm getting to the point where I wouldn't even know what day it is if it wasn't for the internet.

I wouldn't mind putting drawing off so much if I were doing something else with my time but I don't even watch anime or play video games, just browse the internet while thinking about doing stuff.

If I really push myself to do a thing I want to do I'll get distracted by nearly anything, I'll set up my paper and go "oh, I can't start yet I'm thirsty" then when I come back I'll notice my room is a little messy and then clean that up.

I can't stop putting off things that I want to do and it's ruining my life.

>>2901855

Take them ADHD drugs, brah.

>>2901855

Leave the house more, anon.

I can do most my shit online and ended up spending almost all of winter at home, but after a while it just started sapping my motivation. It's surprising how much difference going for a walk or grabbing a coffee somewhere can do.

You just need to introduce a little routine bit by bit. Once you've got some routine things are far, far easier to get under control. Going full NEET and having all the free time in the world actually causes a lot more stress than it relieves in my opinion.

>>2901855
Are you me? I feel stressed that I procrastinate and yet have nothing else for it to compensate. I just sit all day and that's just my life at this point.

>>2901855
How do I become neet? What I wouldnt give to have all that time just reading books and practicing art....

>>2901941
step 1. be a minority

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>>2899460
This professor researches procrastination. He writes and talks about it.
http://iprocrastinate.libsyn.com/

>>2900936
Compare yourself to yourself yesterday

Don't listen to random people online, specially if you already are a self-critical person

Understand that art is freedom, at the end of the day is all about how it makes us feel, and not some standard it has to live for

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>>2900946
Does anyone else pretend to be gud when they draw? At the start and end of the day I do a couple of sketchbook pages where I draw as if I really can, like pretend to myself that I have KJG's or whoever's skills and draw whatever I'd like to do with them.
It was hard at first to even think of what to fill the page with, it just being floating disconnected objects and people, but then started to put people in places, things happening, all that sort of stuff.

I never show these drawings to people because they're awful and show how my visual library is more of a visual pamphlet, but it's nice to have the first and last things each day being stress free and fun. It also helps me to know that if I eventually do get good, I'll be used to putting down new ideas constantly. I've seen professional artists do streams where they sit there and don't know what to draw, and need to ask the chat for ideas or go to a random generator, and I don't want that to be me.

Wew lad, if this is my competition I am going to make it for sure. What a bunch of weak pussy sissies.

>>2902703
t. someone who doesn't have to deal with mental issue created by a stressful life

>>2902703
>wishful thinking
yeah

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>>2902706

More like, someone who has risen above mayor depression and depersonalization issues through hard-work, good diet, exercise, meditation and supplementation. But you keep going with that victimhood mentality, it's sure to get you somewhere in life.

>>2902734
It's all relative. I don't think you had it that bad like me but I can't tell for sure. I'll give you a hint: I have no support, no friends, no family and I have to work for everything I need.

>>2902737

Probably not as bad, although I have personal issues I would rather not even reveal, not even anonymously. Still, I can assure you're not getting anywhere unless you rise above your circumstances.


A hugbox is not going to help you.

>>2902741
I am trying, it's just tough (for me).

>>2902743

Keep going faggot, and make sure you're not eating shit fast food or cheap sugars. Make sure you exercise at least 3 days a week, even if it is 15 minutes running around.

Many people ignore this, but the effects on mood and stress regulation are profound.

>>2899505
Leto isn't the best for brain gains, for the first few months you are hazy as fuck plus it's hard to maintain and easy to screw up.

>>2903033

>Letho

Quiet, soldier boy

>for the first few months you are hazy as fuck plus it's hard to maintain and easy to screw up.

Still the best for cognition, no more spikes of energy and lows. It might take a while to get keto-adapted but if you want to maximize yourself, it's definitely the way to go.

Got any sources that indicate otherwise?

>>2901941
have parents and/or SO that is willing to have you in their place of living

>>2899511
I bought some from duckdose. It's cheaper if you use Bitcoin. The effects are pretty subtle though, I was expecting something like Adderall but you barely notice anything until after.

>>2903096

What dosage where you on? 100mg Makes me feel completely wired, but then again Modafinil has a U shaped curve in terms of performance, the higher in the performance scale you are, the lesser the benefits it'll give you.

>>2903097
Yeah I'm on 100. The most noticeable effect for me is the fatigue suppression. I do focus better, but like I said it's very subtle, I only realize the effects the next day when I realize I sat in one place and read for 3 hours or something. I'm not sure what you mean by performance curve.

>>2901983
TL;DR This professor's solution to stop procrastinating is to stop procrastinating.

He's a research psychologist, not a clinical one and that shows in his advice.

>>2903190
There's a difference?

I am slowly beating my procrastination, and it is all by accident. I am bored, all video games are beaten/shit and I watched almost every good anime in existence, so there's nothing left to do. What I end up doing is drawing.

What the fuck, the answer to stop procrastinating is doing everything you can possible do until there's nothing left.

>>2903207
This is dangerous though. You get bored of living.

>>2903217
Everyone gets bored of living, that's why we create stuff. Life is pure boredom and was not meant to be.

I don't think anyone can run out of shit to do until his death, so I'm not afraid of trying to burn all my options.

>>2899466
>I'll tell you these 3 things you need to know to succeed
>15 minutes long video


lol no

>>2903321
The problem is that it's still more fun to do boring shit than difficult shit

>>2903529
Is it tho? I think it's natural to find difficult shit more appealing to do. Of course we are not talking about nearly impossible things.

What is more fun, killing the first tutorial boss or trying 40 times to kill the last one?

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How do you guys feel about this microdosing acid/shrooms meme?

>>2903604
It works, but the con is you might get addicted.

>>2903538
Bad analogy.

What's more fun: killing the first tutorial boss or doing your math homework?

>>2903607
do people even get addicted to LSD/shrooms? is that exclusive to microdosing?

>>2903651
Depends, really. Calculus can be more fun than killing a boring ass boss. Well, really will depend on the situation, but it is well possible.

>>2899505
>Keto diet

Apparently fasting does the same thing, would you recommend? (not eating for 16h is easier than following meal plans).

>>2899807
>people are actually falling for this
retards

>>2903917
Explain

>>2903529
correction, it's more fun to do mindless shit than tedious difficult shit

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>Accidentally break of procrastination spell.
>Draw 12 hrs straight.
>Don't remember why it happened.
>Go back to procrastinating.

Every fucking time, I can't remember what pushes me to work. I only become aware that I stopped procrastinating afterwards and I don't remember my feelings right before touching the paper.

>>2904017
Right? I've been working on remembering why we can do it, but for some reason I keep forgetting. It makes no sense.

I'm going give this technique a try /ic/

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1ypJdXlNonpJW

Try it too, let's see what happens

>>2904017

Your problem is you're relying on random bursts of motivation instead of steady routine. Motivation and inspiration is fickle, but a strong routine starts to develop a momentum of its own.

You'd be better served drawing an hour or two a day for a week than 12 hours one day a week.

The solution to procrastination is the obvious advice though, and people just roll their eyes because no shit, it's "just do it", or to be more specific, "just start".

You just gotta bite the bullet and go "I'm going to draw for 30 minutes." If you want to stop after 30 minutes, stop, it's 30 more minutes than you'd otherwise have done. But sometimes you'll find at the end of that 30 minutes you're onto something and you want follow through on it, and you can end up with those marathon sessions.

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>Im gonna draw alot today, work on those heads im reading in loomis
>get drunk insyead
>realize that i've wasted another day not drawing

i keep giving myself excuses


not gonna make it.

>>2904025
it is st. patricks day tho

Gotten into routine where I just draw erotic art that I can't put in my portfolio and will never get me a real job.

On the flipside, I constantly try to get better with each drawing, I draw it regularly and I get paid for it.

But it still feels like procrastination.

>>2903674

Yes, fasting is great for the brain man. If you can do exercise + fast you'll get in ketosis pretty fast, and once you eat, if you limit your macros to fats and proteins and a max of 20gr of sugar a day, you'll stay in it. This is my 6 days on keto, I also began by fasting and my anxiety has completely dissipated.


Apparently, Keto diets promote the creation of Gaba, which is an anxiolitic, instead of glutamate you'll get from carbs, which speed up neuron firing rate (some is good, but hyperactivity fries the brain). It seems to be perfectly save to try out keto, so you could def give it a go and see if it works for you.

>>2899460
dont worry op, you'll beat it tomorrow.

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>>2899466
>get really motivated
>start drawing
>lose it in an hour
there's no hope

>>2904430
http://dbanach.com/sisyphus.htm

>>2900307
The point is to draw every day, be it imagination or studies
You might get shat on if you trace tho

>>2904451
Why would you even want to draw if you are going to trace

>>2904553
Tracing believe it or not does not just mean stealing and claiming it's your own.

>>2904556
I know, I meant that there is literally no fun in tracing a drawing, actually it would make me feel much worse.

>>2901447
I can. I just say to myself I will only masturbate after I work. Then I never work, thus never masturbating.

>>2899460
You can. You just don't really want to.