/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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God bless Scott Robertson

>>2890429
What did he mean by this?

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I'm redoing this pose: >>2885408

Give me your honest opinion and tell me about any mistakes.

>>2890437
More importantly, what was his endgame?

>>2890442
it's not a pose that someone would naturally ever find themselves in. like stand in front of a mirror and try it out and see how uncomfortable it is, then try to find a better pose.

>>2890442
Whoa, it's so much better. That right arm goes further back because of the shoulder, you remember this thing called the shoulder blade? I think he might be overextending his knee, but don't take that as fact. I don't think someone would go hardcore shielding like that that when they're also pulling back their blade.

>>2890442
dont copy drawings let alone /beg/ ones.

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>>2890442
That pose looks very awkward and uncomfortable. Some of those angles are downright impossible for the human body to achieve

Take a look at his right arm, shoulders do not work like that. People are not legomen

>>2890444
Do you mean the right arm? I can make that pose and it's only the right arm that does feel uncomfortable doing so, it would be worse if not impossible holding a sword like that.

>>2890446
Thanks. Alright, I will redraw the right arm and slightly change the right knee.

>>2890450
I was the one making the drawing >>2885408 a few days ago.

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Does this actually work?

To spend many painstaking hours on one super precise and calculated drawing?

Rather than say draw this vehicle 50 times instead?

>>2890465
Sure, if you want to be a drafter

Otherwise you're better off using basic perspective lines and letting your intuition guide the rest

Yes it will look shitty and incorrect at your first attempt but that's why you practice

>>2890465
Do both. Your quick sketches will be way more informed because of the long constructions like this. And if you need to invent a vehicle or building and paint it to a finished illustration/concept then knowing how to do this is important.

>>2890465
yes, it does work. However you can estimate these perspective lines and do not have to precisely draw them.

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How is this?

Please ignore the meme

>notice lips are a common symbol draw of anons here
>eventually get to drawing lips
fuck it up consistently
ok, any guides? copying from loomis isnt cutting it

>>2890478
Learning the planes really helped, I went on pinterest so go there, look up lips. Tons of shit, learn them all them. The most important thing to lips was line weight, every line mattered and that's I think the hardest part for a beginner.

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Feels like I dun goof'd with the face again. Any advice?

>>2890484
There is no advice to give

It's 10/10 perfect

>>2890409
Oh look it's my thing! Actually, placing the ref like that really helps me see the issues

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>Hand drawn
How's this?

>>2890490
>Hand drawn
what else could it be? lol

Giant feet, giant leg, skinny leg, giant eyes, scratchy lines, t-rex arms. You need some Loomis my friend.

Not bad effort though. Keep at it.

>>2890490
If there's one thing you need to learn is how to take a picture straight on.

>>2890503
>Not bad effort

>>2890465
>Does this actually work?
Of course. And to make it easier, you can just set up a perspective grid layer on top. It honestly doesn't look like it would take hours. Your braking the vehicle down to basic forms which is mostly just cubes. It shouldn't take too long.

Drawing the vehicle freehand 50 times would actually be much harder since your guesstimating everything and making lots of errors. If you do this exercise enough times, you'll get good at free-handing perspective.

Why do you niggers always ignore my work?

Fuck you

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>tfw portraits starting to look like eric's
save me

>>2890477
I like it, colors could be more vivid to evoke more drama and emotion which would help with the pose.

>>2890477
Tjat right leg is really long. Thats what really stands out as fucked. Its not that bad otherwise.

>>2890516
>>2887246

>>2890522
Kek

Nice dubs

>>2890465

The reason these are done is to internalize perspective, do 10 of these in your life time and just like survival your first 10 combat missions as a fighter pilot will dramatically increase your life expectancy, so will you significantly increase your ability not to fail and make mistakes.

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just did the upside down thing, haven't drawn any since i was a little kid

how fucked am i dudes

>>2890543
Absolutely fucked, anon. You weren't one of the special ones! You have to work hard just like the rest of us! It's alright, that's why this is in the beginning of the sticky, so that you can read the rest and begin to start working towards being good. You can do it with a lot of hard work, but you have to put in the time to gain anything out of it. Don't expect magic to happen.

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>>2890437

I mean Scott Robertson is a god send, grind both of his books and you have acquired the knowledge years by thousands of not millions of people throughout our existence. The rate by which one can improve draftsmanship has been increased to a level the only thing stopping you from getting gud is yourself. What would have taken a life time, can now be learned in a couple months of serious work. It's amazing.

>>2890443

Grind Scott.

>>2890518
who is eric?

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Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards
Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson
>>2890547

which one of these should i get

>>2890552
i wanna learn how to paint naturey stuff like the pic i posted and naked women and stuff like that

>>2890552
Both honestly. There's never enough reading to get done. You'll be drawing more than you read anyways.

>>2890554
This naturey stuff is called landscapes or sometimes environments as well. There's a few books on them, but don't worry about it too much yet. These two books last you a few months, two or so if you really don't want to do them. You're not limited by any means to just these books, so explore.

Figures is all over the place, generally you read all of those books too. Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton, etc.

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Trying to learn how to draw face, dont really know what I'm doing, Could use some critique/advice

>>2890557
i ain't in any rush, willing to go slow and learn the basics, i'll get both, just want something to do when i get bored of readin

>>2890465
1. This really isn't that difficult, FYI. Go through Scott's How To Draw... videos and he shows you how to do this. This design in particular may take half an hour longer than some basic plane, in the end it'll depend on what degree of detail you want.

2. If you're just interested in big-ideas concept art you can just thumbnail sketch such a vehicle and use your paint blocking to get the general picture. If you're interested in vehicle design then of course this level of detail is especially necessary.

3. Like everyone else has said, it's good practice anyway. You'll be able to abbreviate a lot of this as you get more experience.

>>2890484
try adding more detail to the hair.

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My cross-hatching sucks, I know.

>>2890586
That visual communication.

>>2890559
That's good so far.
Don't forget that the mouth and jawline are 3d shapes, at that angle you see almost nothing from the upper lip.

Your image would look much better if you would do clean and long lines instead of dozens of short lines.

>>2890518
literally just blend

>>2890548
its a meme

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>>2890411

>>2890598
10/10

>>2890598
Work on your blind contours more.

Ive never drawn in my life but i want to start. Should i get a tablet and if so what kind?

>>2890598
nailed it

>>2890559
Entire face is too long

>>2890604
An intuos small is best for price and usage. Medium is preferable if you're rich. Ignore the naysayers who tell you not to start with tablet by the way. There's no rules, just tools.

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>>2890596

Knowledge is a meme?

>>2890608
Thanks. Ill pickup the medium

>>2890611
"what did he mean by this" is a shitty /tv/ meme

>>2890620
jokes on you i was only pretending

>>2890604
I say this every time. It's fine if you start with a tablet but be prepared to not improve as fast as someone who's starting with a sketchbook and a pencil.

>>2890620


Wow, I must be off my meds because I don't remember writing >>2890622
that.

I can't draw from the shoulder or the life of me using my intuos. On paper it's okay, or at least it seems like something I could do after practice. But digitally it's completely hopeless. Wat do?

>>2890676
Don't worry about it and keep drawing.

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Trying to practice perspective and environments.

>>2890676
Keep practicing. Drawing with your wrist is more acceptable on a tablet since the ways you can grab the stylus are limited and since you can zoom in and out etc.

But when you draw long lines you must do them from your shoulder in order for them to be straight, and for middle long lines I personally do a kind of mix between wrist and shoulder.

>>2890598
Proko?

>>2890676
Don't draw from the shoulder on a tablet unless it's a really large one or a cintiq. On my intuos I use just my wrist.

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I am trying to design a bike and practice perspective concepts at the same time. I have no idea how to design a bike though. Any suggestions? Any good tuts?

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original intention was to make this so that I'm looking up at the cabin but an Anon informed me that I'd need to use 3 pt perspective for that. But before I start that up I wanted to finish this anyways. The roof is suppose to be made of hay but I'm not sure how to draw that ahh. Finding any kind of reference is hard too, I've done this all from imagination so far.

>>2890708
What purpose do you need fulfilled by use of a bike? Is it for consumer use? Military? Desert? Snow? Things like these you need to think through in terms of design. For a basic bitch motorcycle just look at how one is constructed in real life by using references and such.

>>2890716

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind next time. Do you know any good sources to learn the fundamentals of design from?

>>2890712
good stuff, the horizontal panels would look more natural with some plank texture work (like back yard fence stuff)

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>>2889847

>>2890720
Feng Zhu's Design Cinema if you don't already know of it. Almost 100 episodes on Youtube already that go into the philosophy of design. Love or hate him, there's a reason he's an industry pro. Then obviously scott robertson for the technical side

>>2890745

Thanks, Anon.

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meep

too much zen mind beginner mind

did loomis learn to draw from his own books

>>2890753
Of course. How else did he start out? Use your head once in a while.

>>2890678
>>2890689
>>2890704
Thanks for the input anons, that puts things into perspective for me. For the sake of attaining the skill I'll keep practicing on paper.

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I've been slowing down lately. It's not ideal, but at least I still get some shit done. How's this?

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just trying to fulfill a commission, was curious about getting some anatomical adjustments from fresh eyes. I think the left forearm (her left) is too long, and the left calf should be flipped horizontally. ball of right foot is wonky, neck length is a choice I'm sticking with. Anything else? Also, general advice is welcome too.

>>2890780
Looking good, I personally don't see a problem with the ball of the right foot.

Otherwise, just the fact that she literally has no ass.

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new to this drawing thing, rate and advice
rate me boys

>>2890787
u r already picasso tier

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>>2890417

This man's expression reminds me of a family member who died of dementia recently.

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15 minutes, but I just wanted to say I drew something today. I post over in lesbian general alot so it was relevant. It should have been much more qt. I apologize.

>>2890801

You forgot to add child abuse in the cycle, that's how it starts.

>>2890801

my house mate is literally in the getting cats mode with her gf. i wonder if the cycle will hold true. also i think it's pretty qt.

>>2890490
>Hand drawn
Are you sure?
It looks more like you drew it with your dick

>>2890465
>>2890548
I'm going to grind Scott regardless, but how helpful would these be if my end goal is mostly to draw figures and human characters? I don't have much interest in buildings, airplanes, vehicles and shit currently.

>>2890552
Keys to Drawing

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>> Be a manly warrior deity with a scary face.
>> Be turned into a qt girl by ZUN.
>> Be turned into a scary, androgynous-looking tiger hybrid.
>> Lead your army into battle.
Being Bishamonten is suffering.

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SHADOW CONE JUTSU

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Quick thumbnails for a monk who has his monastery wiped out by magic users, #fuckmagic looking for the ones that did it. Which is the least boring design to go forward with?

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>>2890484
Make her look like the Grinch

>>2890889
The left two.

>>2890876
>>2890484

thanks for making me chuckle

>>2890889
Top left

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>>2890410

welp dun did this one

>>2890778
good shit

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>>2890409
ey guys, i want this whole scene to take place under a huge ass hemisphere, how do imply it properly? should i just eyeball it?

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>>2890944
resize sry

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>>2890417
when communism fails once again, but it's ok because it wasn't real communism.

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>>2890543
How's mine ?

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This is all the practice work I've done counting from yesterday and today, I have the feeling it is nowhere near the amount of work I should be going for, How much stuff are you going producing per day?

>>2890957
Stop chasing ghosts. You're right where you should be. Just shut up the doubts in your head and draw.

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>>2890957
mate just chill and do whatever that's what I do

>>2890963
Gonna make it.

>>2890963
How do I be like you, anon?

>>2890959
>>2890963

B-but Feng Zhu says I gotta draw for 16 hours a day and they bastards over at FZD don't even allow their students to explain online the kind of schedule/exercises syllabus they follow so I can make my own.


I wanna make it, damn it.

>>2890967
If you want to draw like FZD students, that's easy. What's not easy is drawing like yourself. There's a secret to making it that no one really says, but if you worry too much about how many hours you put in. Definitely not going to make it. Tell me what do you want to do with your life.

>>2890957
I throw most of my practice away because it isn't worth saving (I'm talking about connecting lines, curves, ellipses, cubes in pespective kind of shit). I do like 10 pages of those simple things every day.
Think I need to move onto Robertson and try more complex forms, all of what I did in the last few days was trying to put cubes and build shit with them as "study"

>>2890967
There's just no way these faggots draw 16 hours a day. 8, 10, maybe, but 16? What the fuck.

>>2890974
At that point, I'm quite sure your muscles would begin to have complications if it was 16 hours a day.

>>2890973

>Tell me what do you want to do with your life.

I don't know, but I know I want to git gud. I'll worry about where do I put those skills later on.

>>2890974

I'll do that, I was doing Chapter 2, 3 and 4 today. Gonna move to Section drawing now. I need to ramp it up.

>>2890976
They do, every student says they did on their blog. How ever they pushed through all of that and came out stronger. It's the will that matters, just how much do you want it? If you didn't, then at least you could move in with your life and do something else like programming.

>>2890978
I don't think you can "push through" a RSI since that. However, they probably just took frequent breaks to stretch and some painkillers.

You shouldn't be pushing through an muscle injury. Especially a muscle that you need to achieve your goal.

>inb4 something about being lazy
There's a difference between "pushing through" and "handling it"

>>2890981

Well, they have their works as proof that it works. The amount of improvement they see in a year is just astonishing. Just the 3 first months of progress are insane, since they deal with the basics of sketching, VisCom and Perspective. It's impressive. If I had the money I would be singing up in a heartbeat.

>>2890984
I'm not denying that it doesn't work. I was mostly worried about the wellness of their joints and muscles through the repetitive use.

>>2890981
Those who are unlucky enough to actually get hurt badly drop out. So yes, it is a bit of survivor bias but they are also the ones lucky enough to also withstand the pain for a year. Improvement like that doesn't happen without them pushing themselves all the time. No sane person would partake onto themselves that kind of stress neither. Just goes to show how much they really wanted to make it. If anything, I'm jealous of their will more so than their skills. It's definitely the most abnormal part about those kind of people. You can learn the stuff they do given time, but to push yourself to get it all done within a year all while being under constant stress and having to constantly think about how to design something that looks good within a time limit. Completely insane.

>>2890984
We're practically FZD but free, come on anon. We have all the resources to give you that they do, you just have to put in the work.

>>2890994

No way friend, no way. I hardly see anyone bothering with construction or ''hardcore'' perspective. I haven't seen anyone talk about the basics of sketching as a tool to learn and build a visual library rather than to copy what's infront of you. It seems /ic/ or at least /beg/ is more on the illustrator/fine art type of deal rather than the pure design and fundamental grinding they do over at FZD. I am trying to reverse engineer the syllabus over at FZD but it is still a work in progress.


Any suggestions welcome but it seems to me it goes a bit like >Basics of Perspective >VisCom/Sketching/construction a la Peter Han >Hardcore perspective like Scott Robertsn >Intro to Design >Digital Painting >Entertainment design


Am I missing something?

>>2891001
No one here wants to put in the work. Simple as that. If a beginner was serious enough to put in three months of time, that would be seriously impressive. Hardly any stay that long.

You're missing the whole 2nd and 3rd terms. Not that it matters much, if you really wanted to do what FZD did you would be creating a ton of grids and then going back to ink over them. That's what they basically do in Perspective and VisCom. Design Sketching is get a culture and draw a bunch of stuff from them. Forms and Materials is literally any digital painting class but in combination with all the other classes. All of their classes overlap because it's all meant to bring them together.

>>2891005

Makes sense, Anon. That's what I am going to be doing for the next couple month. Tedious perspective grid grinding with complex forms and sketching every freaking thing I can think off using the skills taught in Peter Han Dynamic sketching.


Thanks

>>2891010
I'm not really sure why you keep mentioning Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching which is vastly different from what FZD does, but if it floats you boat, go for it.

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>>2891012

If you have a look at the student work, you'll see that their sketch books follow the ideas taught by that seminar I keep mentioning. You can see it in the way the textures have a focal point, going from dark to light, small to big to guide your eyes and you can also see they started the drawing by focusing on the big forms. This is the VisCom Peter Han teaches, it's exactly the same thing they do.

>>2890957
omg anon lol, you dont have to be all mathematical and all, if your good at eye/brain coordination and generally know when things "look wrong" you dont need all those bloody lines, but justr a few lol, forexample your first 2 pictures on the left already have some weird proportions for some items, if you didnt solely rely on the lines but also a bit on your brain and eye to discern when things look wrong, they would have looked much better

>>2890952
>drawing memes
exdee anon lol

>>2890948
looks really good anon! keep it up
>>2890780
entire right leg needs to be moved a bit to the right and little bit higher
adjust bottom face/chin, looks weird anon
is this suppose to be your linework already? if yes, then i'd suggest to get back at sketching, the face barely looks defined as it is, unless thats your """style"""

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i need help, my Loomis heads aren't coming out good at all. I can't figure out how round or thin, or what width or height to make the oval in the cranium, and I think that's the biggest problem. any tips?

IM GONNA MAKE IT LADS HUGUHGUHGUHUHGUHGUHRHUHRUGHUR

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>>2891064
im just /beg/ but heres my interpretation

>>2891067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIi_-IvUSLc

>>2891064
Loomis heads are not accurate. Watch this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

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>>2890927
>superfluous
b-but i always draw those too, i thought it was supposed to be the sternocleidomastoids...

>>2891085
They are the sternomastoids. You can draw them in if you want, but it might be a mistake to draw them that pronounced. They are usually very subtle and only really visible on some people or when the head is turned a lot. They're also more visible down at the insertion near the pit of the neck.

>>2891085
careful for forced anatomy
especially with linework
so many muscles don't actually make lines, they just influence the form. you need to acknowledge their existence without outlining them(when they are too subtle to line).

WHY CAN'T I JUST FUCKING DRAW

>>2890598
How are you so good?

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For some reason I felt like "trying to start" drawing again... I have no discipline at all...

filename says it all I guess...

>>2891094
same here anon, everytime i draw i feel immensive depression pouring in then i alt+f4 and go straight backt o playing
videogames to keep my mind of things

>>2891101
Draw video game characters then.

>feels like the entire world is currently playing BOTW while I'm sitting here poorly drawing Links as I wait for my Switch to ship

>>2891109
i have no creativity anon, i dont know how i should draw video game characers besides a front pose

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>>2891101
>>2891094
Never EVER going to make it

>>2891111
Use a ref. You have no excuses

>tfw say this but rarely use them myself
Damn it, back to drawing Links!

>>2891114
post your weeb drawings

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Did I do a good job with the body horror? I don't think it looks that great myself but if someone else finds it disturbing I did what I wanted with the doodle.

>>2891096
You made the head a little slim. I'm sure you know that your hands are out of proportion for the body, but if it were on a cartoon that kind of blocky line structure would actually look pretty nice.

>>2890688
Can I get a pity (You)?

>>2891121
Thank you, I kind of noticed afterwards for the head :x
I'll try to do better next time.

>>2891134
If you don't get a (You) in this thread you're generally good, people don't like seeing people "making it" in here

>>2891134
pretty good
doorway is wrong

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Need help completing this. Limbs feel stubby and I'm not sure if I got the hip area right. Also fuck legs. Fuuuuck legs. Hope this isn't flipped

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>>2891147
use this maybe?

>>2891141
>>2891142
Thank you. And you're right on the doorway, I freehanded it and didn't notice the fuck up. Thanks!

>>2891149
Thanks anon. I was thinking more about having her holding a spear instead of resting her hand, but doing something with a reference is preferable

anyone from /draw/ here?

>>2891158
??

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>>2890734
I studied some faces; I won't neglect life drawing entirely, but these were from photos

>>2891166
(The ones made out of planes were from imagination)

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i honestly thought i was doing well
i really thought i was making good progress until i started putting on features
how do i improve, what do i practise?

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This is my first attempt at digital art after years.
He's called Aaron, but at highschool they named him Chinron, he's very sad because he will never make it, he's kind and compassionate but girls at school will ignore him, of course that's because they are thots REEEEEEEE.
He likes Linkin Park, Slipknot, Bullet for My Valentine and Black Veil Whatever. Be kind to him pls.

Seriously speaking I want to improvem y linework before moving on, advices? If I just keep drawing on my tablet will I get better?

>>2891179
>He likes Linkin Park, Slipknot, Bullet for My Valentine and Black Veil Whatever.

You sound old

>>2891179
kys

>>2891173
Keep doing it

Look, think about it like this: These are your first heads, noses, eyes, lips. In art it's pretty much a given that you will straight up fail the first couple hundred times when you try something new and difficult like a head.

Try not to stress too much if your features don't look like the ones drawn by whoever you're learning from, the features they draw are their ten thousandth, their hundred thousandth yours are like your fiftieth.

So long as you keep doing deliberate efforts to study noses from various angles, you attempt new ways to construct them, you draw them from photos and life, they will start looking good, you just have to push through these failures and not be discouraged.

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>>2891173
First: I'd say, hypothetically,what you've created could exist. The eyes could be painted on and the form is realistically 3d enough, and the flaring jaw gives it the impression of a heavy, clay mask.

First: practice rotating the lips not around the jaw, but around a bevel.Your Loomis cranial mass if fine, probably even better than mine, so it should be no problem for you to construct a bevel. Wrap the mouth around the middle line of your bevel, and the lips will appear to protrude. Make the bevel larger for fat lips, use smaller bevels for fetal alchohol syndrome

Practice lips and you'll get there eventually. Also eyes, but I really don't know how to explain them

>>2891189
thank you friend
in truth i knew myself
it helps to hear it though

>>2891192
i'll try placing features around a cylinder. thanks for the idea.

>tfw tired and dont want to practice drawing anymore
>every night tell myself before bedtime that im gonna draw the next morning
>next morning still feel tired and dont want to do anything
>happens everyday
what should i do

>>2891213
get a good nights sleep
exercise
meditate
stop masturbating
alternatively, stop being a bitch

>>2891215
>tfw too tired to commit to a change in lifestyle

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>>2891116
Here's one I drew right now

As you can see not using references is bad because now I have no idea what to do with the hands.
I really need to work on my fundamentals but most of the time I just draw this kind of crap in comfort-zone not learning a thing

>>2891213
I usually don't let myself do anything and just get drawing in the morning. Then I really get into it and it's not a problem anymore. I too also learned it's best to draw in the morning. At night is fun too, but usually I'm so tired that I know if I keep going, I'll regret it later when I wake up.

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>>2890410
Any pointers on any varity would be great, thanks.

>>2891225
looks like you are going to have to stop being a bitch then

>>2891226
fix the body anon, with that anime face, that kind of muscles look rlly scary

>>2891173
First stop doing these straight lines. Heads aren't that boxy. Do nice curvy lines from your shoulder, and your line quality will improve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84

You also seem to lack understanding of how heads actually look like

here some videos that helped me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThgQioElGkM&t=2955s

You should also practice your cubes, cylinders and organic forms every day to furthen your understanding and feeling for perspective and form.

good luck man

>>2891243
i do straight lines in most things to simplify them. once i have a skill at these then i'll move on to curves.

>>2891225
Right what you are going to do on the back of a receipt and put it in a coffee tin. Leave the tin beside your bed.

That way you have to make the change.

>>2891249
>Right
Pfft

>>2891240
>muscles look scary
Really? I thought I toned them down, I usually make them bigger and slightly more defined, tried making his smaller because that wouldn't fit Link, obviously. Guess that wasn't enough.

I'll try fixing it, I also noticed the head is quite huge.

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How do I take advantage of artbooks from artists I really admire?
I want to draw like this.

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>>2891232
See pic related, 2min in mspaint.
If you want it to look like the reference you gotta change the chest/shoulders/arm on your own drawing, which is more work. Redraw it from scratch, also dont spend too much drawing shadows till you got the proportions right

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>>2891247
I don't think it's that great of a idea. You really wanna build that muscle memory from very early on.

If you want to simplify it into geometric forms do it like pic. How you've been doing it doesn't really make much sense.

>>2891258
Learn how they use their lines by either replicating it or trying it in your own work.

>>2891261
>he's never heard of Bargue
???

strange question, but are there ever reasons not to use the color picker for certain things like a value study for instance, or say fanart of a preexisting character?

I feel like I've read people speaking adamantly against it somewhere, but I can't really remember why.

>>2891275
You can use it however the hell you want. No rules, just tools.

>>2891057
wat

>>2891278
No I get that, it's definitely much easier than random guesswork, but I feel like I've read people say that the colors won't come out right. or something.

I could just be imagining things, figured I'd get some opinions from other anons

>>2891275
It's fine to pick colours off something to save time or whatever like if you are a concept artist in a studio knocking out as many concepts in a short period of time as you can, but it's generally considered a bad habit to have since it doesn't teach you anything. Rather than understanding WHY a colour is the way it is, or why a value is that value, you just copy it exactly and move on. It means that when it comes time to inventing your own colours/values or modifying a reference to better suit your needs, you won't have the background knowledge on how to pull it off or make it look appealing.

Especially if you are doing a study then don't colour pick as it defeats the entire purpose of what you are trying to learn.

>>2891284
it means you have to "eyeball the colors" vs "pick the color and apply it from reference"
Since the former way will make it more accurate as your "actively" focusing on the colours

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>using ancient genius tablet
>while drawing the pen detaches where the battery goes and it flies to the desk
>no problem it happens all the time
>pick it up and continue drawing
>the nib went flying too and I can't find it
FUCK

I'll have to make another wood nib with a stick and a nailclipper

>>2891264
Of course I have. But the approach to bargue plates is completely different.

When doing bargue plates you literally just copy the image at the same size as you see it. That means you measure lines and literally copy them onto your page and go more and more into detail with these lines.

If you want to do that here a nice series of vieos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlLvnmvqL2s

When constructing like you are trying to do you don't wanna just copy 2d shapes, you wanna really understand the form and be able to see through the forms and then ultimately put them down on paper.

>>2891284
Colors can come out wrong if you don't know how relations work and such, yes. The color picker can also not be accurate and make a color that it assumes from that area. These things can trip you up, but it's easily corrected with time.

>>2891287
>having this much bad luck
its like its telling you something about your drawings anon...

>>2891287
Time to get a Wacom brah

>>2891287
Must suck to be a poorfag

>>2891292
Please suicide, we don't need ppl like you in the world

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>>2890409
How I draw like this

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Probably biting off more than I can chew with this, but how's the foreshortening on the arm?

>>2891309
exaggerate it more

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Somebody help me with the hands? Also, I am struggling with the pose, he's supposed to be laying on the floor

>>2891118
pretty neat,but it feels a bit "arbitrary" if you know what i mean. you cant just stick shit in places, you need to have at least a tertiary reason for why everything is where it is.
look at this drawing i made before i started a drawing course and look at these drawings i found on /co/. notice how the two on the right have a "feeling" or "idea" or even "purpose" behind all of the grafts and fusions?

>>2891311
Try drawing a rectangle on the ground plane to help establish the perspective (imagine he is lying on a beach towel or something). It should make it easier to figure out the pose as you then know which parts should be touching the ground or not and what their spatial relationship is.

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>>2891118
>>2891313
aaaaand i forgot to select the file

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explain this to me. What makes it so good?

>>2891318
simple, elegant, yet kawaii

>>2891318
Even line width. Symmetrical. Soft edges. Curvilinear lines. Light colors. Shadow. Visually communicative clothes design. Cat features. Japanese.

>>2891315
Thanks anon!

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Please help....I drew this character and then later decided I wanted to try a background, but I have no clue where my perspective is. Would you see the underside of the blocks? The top? I don't know...

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>>2890477
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>>2891340
WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE EVEN POSTING IN /BEG/
ITS NOT FAIR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2890688
That values are pretty nice Anon, oval door and square window is kind of odd but the house is still pretty charming

>>2891347
cause insecure

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>>2891347
need a babby breaking crayons thread

just keep drawing!

Also here's some Cardinals from lesson 5 of Drawabox

how do i color i have the prismacolor 24 set

>>2891347
you should find better standards quick

>>2891347
90% of the stuff you replied to is shit. You responded to 3 shitty igors senpai. You could probably do at least that, anyone can do an igor.

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Anyone else have a problem with pen tips becoming too flat to the point they start scratching the paper and not letting out ink? I don't press very hard but I tend to hold the pen vertical so the plastic nib wares to where it's not rounded enough to glide across the paper, I go through pens like crazy. I', using Sakura pigma pens .5 and .2 and some Faber castel ones, I feel like switching to brush pens because they take a lot of practice to make consistent lines and they don't ware like these ones


Pic related you can see the tip comes rounded, when you draw vertical they ware to a perfect cylinder and stop working properly

>>2891379
Wait, you can actually wear down those tips? I thought pens never did wore down. So much for that.

>>2891373
I'm curious:
What's the 10%?

>>2891395
Whatever you posted

>>2891356
These are so good! Almost makes me want to do draw a box.

How long have you been at it?

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Various junk I just did. I stopped drawing for a month or two and I'm surprised at how I've forgotten so much of what I learned, I'm pretty upset with myself for slipping.

>>2891415
shouldnt have stopped anon , it looks horrible

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time for fat people

>>2891417
I know man. How do I keep myself motivated? It's a broad question but try to give me some sort of inclination.

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>>2890945
thoughts?

>>2891417
What are you on about?
It's not great, but in no fucking way is it "horrible" jfc

>>2891423
Just projection desu

>>2891422
L I G H T I I N G
H
A
D
O
W
S

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>>2890417

this went better than expected

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>>2891419
first day of drawing, i want to draw manga one day, hope i did good

>>2891432
Cool. What character is that?

>>2891243
wow these are great. learning a lot. thanks for posting

>>2891434
original character, made it myself

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I painted this with my non-dominant hand as an exercise to increase my ambidextrousness. It has many faults, and I can't paint a straight line to save myself, but it was an interesting exercise.

>>2890797
sorry for your loss anon

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So I think I'm done with the rough sketch for this study, gonna move on to rendering values and what not.

Does it seem like a solid foundation? How are the placements of everything and some of the features?

>>2891439
wheres the horizon?

>>2891439
Try painting with both hands next time, maybe you'll get an even more interesting result!

>>2891445
seems alrite 2 me

>>2891445
oh, before I proceed, can anyone help me identify the light source? It seems to come from the right, but there's some weird ass rim lighting on the left part of the statue, it's really throwing me off

>>2891446
Somewhere near that accidental yellow blob underneath the other big yellow.

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>>2891311
My suggestions. Not the most accomplished artist myself (obviously) so take with a grain of salt.

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>>2891432
Gl, babyboi, I believe in a world where artists draw fat people

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>>2891389
unfortunately, the faber castel has a longer nib so I think they will last longer


>>2891405
I've been doing it for about 8 months, I could be going a lot faster though but I'm trying. I like how cleanly it's laid out and he explains everything to where I actually know why I'm doing each step too, my lines have improved drastically and I can do a near perfect circle with one round now where I used to have terrible chicken scratch. (try look at some of the lines in the cardinals)
It was good program for getting me up to speed for my age though

>>2891347
I thought I got some crit but it's a faggot shitposting. You're an ass.

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op right now

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How to get more realistic features ?

>>2891477
Looks realistic already, they just look like an ugly person.

>>2891426
aww yeaah booi

>>2891379
If I put my mind to it and do a lot of drawing, I can wear one of those pens down in a day. It's a shame because they're lovely pens to use when they're new, but they're stupidly expensive.

I use the Staedtler and Artline ones, though I've got a couple of the Sakura Pigma pens, too. They're harder to source in my country though.

I don't know about brush pens, but I've always wanted to try a fountain pen, just to see.

>>2891477
the shadowing is too fuzzy, sharpen it

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>>2890802

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How do I draw girls?

>>2891477
ayy lmao

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>>2891389
and yeah plastic on paper is kinda like taking plastic to a very light sandpaper, it may be the slight texture of my paper too, I could probably find a better sketchbook

>>2891461
The main light is coming from the top front right. There is another strong light coming from back left that's creating the rim light but isn't really affecting the face much.

Your outline is very scratchy/thick and is masking your proportions so it's hard to tell what's off. You can go over it again with a cleaner sketch, otherwise you're gonna be making corrections while rendering.

The right eye is drooping down and the left is angling up. The nose is curving left. Remember that the nose and eyes should be aligned and symmetrical. The shadows will make the features of the face look like they're curving to the left.

Flip both images to check proportions.

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>>2891287
I made a new nib using a stick. Crisis averted

now I just gotta adjust to the shape and length of the new one and hope it doesn't fly away

>>2890926
Pretty good.

>>2891308
Copy.

>>2891491
Draw more.

>>2891491
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

>>2891509
t-thanks..

>>2891502
thank you anon, this was extremely helpful, will make corrections and clearer outlines during rendering

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>>2891491
fixed it
looks alot better now

>>2891518
use a reference next time

>>2891536
its hard finding a reference wtih a girl posing 3/4 sucking on a popsicle, thought i could wing it

>>2891550
that's not entirely the idea - if you have the bigger picture in mind (you want a ref of a girl sucking on something cylindrical) you'll have something visual to go off on instead (and able to be analytical with it the pose in your mind) rather than symbol drawing the shit out of that arm

come on, there isn't even a wrist

>>2891473
Well you have inspired me! I am going to start doing it along with my other watercolor paintings.

>>2891565
they're great warmups, when I finish the program and move on to the next step (human anatomy and gesture) I'll probably redo the program from the start as a 15min warmup beforehand

>>2891473
>those drawings you can see through page
Why do you do this

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>>2891558
ok, tried it again. how is it now?

>>2891584
Really got me thinking, anon.

>>2891584
Stop hiding your weak lines by making them light grey. You're not fooling anyone and it just makes your drawing harder to see.

>>2891593
how did you know?

>>2891594
congrats, you have eric tier mindset

>>2891595
it's /beg/'s job to not let anyone fall into the eric trap

>>2891595
who is eric?

>>2891425
yeah, obviously it does not have any yet

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Started working on drawing because I'm talking the worlds most boring Anthro class to finish out my Gen Eds and I need something to do to kill time and I kinda like it. How can I improve? I know the eyes are uneven and the hair sucks. This is supposed to be link

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>>2891595
is that a compliment?
also fixed the original picture >>2891584

>>2891600
read the sticky

rotate and resize images

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>>2890417
Really liked this exercise, learned a lot. Can I leave /beg/ ?

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>>2891595
Who the fuck is Eric? Second time I've heard him mentioned...
>>2891604
You didn't fix it boy. And darken your lines so we can at least see what you're doing. Maybe your mistakes will be clearer if you take a look at pic related.

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>>2891600
omg you just started and you are THAT GOOD?

>>2891621
You're here forever.

How do I know when I'm ready to leave /beg/?

>>2891628
Meme? or real?

>>2891624
theres litereally ONE(1) thing wrong and that is the piece of her handbag looking like its part of her shirt

>>2891629
when u can draw your own memes like pepe the frog

>>2891629
You never really leave /beg/. From the very first post here your soul is linked to this place.

>>2891631
>1 thing wrong
You're joking right

>>2891576
just my homework sketchbook, these drawings arent supposed to be pretty

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>>2891625
I mean I tried to mimick this but I failed
>>2891614
Read this sticky the Igor thing is pissing me off

Guys, less memes, less shitposting and more fundamental grinding. I am going to sketch at least 50 (aquatic) using constructon, focal points for texture and as good a presentation as possible.

>>2891649
If you actually did work and posted, more people would too.

>>2891651
Sometimes feels like im the only one posting in this thread, already post like 30% of the drawings in this place

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how does this look?

I've never looked at a lesson or anything, I've always drawn by myself.

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Here's a slightly polished sketch. Does anyone have a reference to the pose the girl with the swords is in? Or can you tell me how is it called? I tried searching for "standing on head", but Google gives out just that, literally. I couldn't find an image of it, so I had to make assumptions based on what my senses told me while doing it on the sofa. And do the left girl's shapes look okay for a toned woman with some fat in just the right places (I think I'll have to straigthen out her spine, though)?

>>2891655
wow!!! so goood!!

>>2891655
It bothers me that you make bad hair textures, anon. When will you stop this?

>>2891621
if you leave /beg/ it'll be to your detriment, since you're drawing shows that you're still at this level

>>2891649
>Guys, less memes, less shitposting and more fundamental grinding
Is it possible to set up some sort of challenge we can all do together? Or some sort of group exercise? I'm working through Bridgman atm, maybe we could all try working through that? (just a suggestion) These threads would probably be better if all the posts were more focused instead of people posting random doodles.

>>2891664
it's been done before and it never works out

the only other option i could see is a discord but then again discord servers die in two or so weeks (especially a /beg/ discord)

everyone would do better to join the las or /ic/ server and bne more active there

>>2891664
Working together is literally the worst idea in existence. Never has worked. Now doing your own thing and getting advice, that works because at least we don't have to compare and contrast and feel bad about out shitty beginner work.

But yeah, if you want to do a challenge, just say so, not like the thread goes anywhere. Just put it in here.

>>2891664
Good idea
I think it would require a new thread (not the general) because this is a thread specifically for random beginner doodles and exercises. We need a "LAS" community challenge for beginners.

>>2891670
This thread is the best thread there is because everyone always comes here and as well knows where to meet up. Just keep it in here. I know it's you anyways faggot.

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>>2891658
So you recognized me, huh...
When I work on the picture all the way to the finish, I usually texture hair last (before adding some final lighting), and up to that I just keep a sketch to give me visual cues. The final result should look like this pic, or even better.

If nothing else bothers you, I take it that my anatomy understanding has improved, hasn't it?

>>2891675
>I take it that my anatomy understanding has improved

Yikes anon, you've taken symbol drawing to another level.

>>2891651

Already did yesterday , I just woke up and I am eating breakfast lmao.

>>2891675
It looks better, I guess. I'm not really good at anatomy, anon. I just know when it looks good and when it doesn't. Maybe I'll know better when you render it.

>>2891464
Thanks, I will try that too. I am really working to improve poses

>>2891687
>yesterday
>tfw it's the middle of the god damn day for me

>>2891686
Eh. Meme it be or not, I have to wonder how you could actually draw a naked body like that with symbols, when you simply put lines down based on your understanding of human anatomy and sexiness.

>>2891688
Okay, I'll post the picture after I complete it.

>>2891694

It's 3 AM where I live, usually wake up at 2 AM. South EU

>>2891699
How fast do you work, anon? I don't even get stuff done in a day, but you have finished multiple pieces.

>>2891675
once people stop recognizing that it's your shit, that's when you actually got better.

>>2891675
Does it embarrass you to show your work to other people?

>>2891710
fukc you booly

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Guys I made this totally new and unique character. If you can't see how it's different from my last one you are literally retarded.

You don't need to reply, I know that I'm so good that there I leave you guys speechless and that it has absolutely nothing to do with me ignoring any advice I receive and my general attitude.

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holy shit I bit off way more than I could chew

less concerned with total accuracy because of so many fucking folds

so the next step is render, smoothing, and cleaning up right?

>>2891701
I'm pretty slow, honestly. On paper I could do a complete (much more crappy, but finished) lineart with some values in an hour, but with the tablet I place lines and undo them a lot even now, when I got kinda used to it. Still, painting became much faster, as I don't have to redo shapes after the lineart is completed. Tigerl girl's portrait (>>2890854) took me about five hours in total, although I stopped now and then to check imageboards and cook lunch, and I didn't bother to count the time spent on each activity. Even then, it still took at least three hours of work. The version in this thread isn't actually the final version. After uploading it, I noticed and fixed some things I forgot, but did not want to reupload the complete version and aggravate the people in this thread further.

>>2891710
No, I'm too bold for that. I can feel embarrassment later, when I look at my picture and realize how bad it were, but I would be embarrassed only before myself. There's no point in drawing if you can't be proud of any picture you drew with serious effort. Even if it looks bad, you would look at it later when you improve and feel proud that you managed to realize your flaws and improve.

>>2891722

>>2891710
shame is for those who aren't gonna make it

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Here I made another anime girl.

I want to point out that im >>2891722 just letting you know because my characters and the angles i draw their faces and their hair and the hand pointing are so unique I wouldn't blame you if you didn't notice that >>2891722 was me.

>>2891722 was me

>>2891724
>There's no point in drawing if you can't be proud of any picture you drew with serious effort. Even if it looks bad, you would look at it later when you improve and feel proud that you managed to realize your flaws and improve.
>>2891726
>shame is for those who aren't gonna make it
/beg/ is so amazing today. I hope we're all able to continue drawing together like this every single day everyone.

>>2890484
>>2891722
>>2891727
Well, I'm okay if my posts serve as a basis for a new meme, however stupid and forced it may be. It is but good if people can have fun any way they can.

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Yet another one. This time I went for a 7 pixel brush for the hair. Completely different.

I also put the same head on a different body pose. Who cares if that makes sense. Fuck learning or reading. Fuck Loomis. Once I learned drawing each body part from one angle I will just reuse that to make thousands of unique characters, no one will be able to tell.

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>>2890712
>>2890729
this took me 40 mins orz. Thinking about adding some values, mostly because I saw this >>2890688 and fell in love