Schooling

>>2875510
No, the secret is having fun.

It's not a secret that getting a (quality) education in art is a boon. Don't let /ic/ meme you into thinking instruction serves no purpose, this board is masterful at taking a sensible premise ("Art school costs too much, and there has never been a time where you could educate yourself more easily") and warps it into bullshit ("Art school is 100% useless!").

If you're disciplined and keep yourself accountable, self-teaching is sufficient. There are enough artists without formal education to demonstrate it's obviously possible. The plethora of resources available today is mindboggling. What school offers is:
A) Direction. You get told what you need to produce, you produce it. If you're taking a class on perspective, you'll be instructed on perspective and then told to do perspective exercises, and if you don't, you're wasting your time and money.
B) A system of accountability. It forces you to do something, even if you'd rather not. This can mean strengthening fundamentals you might neglect when accountable only to yourself.
C) Feedback. If your instructor is somebody whose work you admire, then their advice will be of far, far greater value to you than that of some anonymous fuckwit on /ic/ who for all you know has completely different taste, goals, etc. Or perhaps hardly draws at all. A good teacher has been teaching long enough to identify what's wrong, how to tell you what's wrong, and how to fix it. Many very skilled artists can't do that, being a good artist and a good art teacher are not necessarily the same.
D) Networking. You meet people, some will go on into the industry, some instructors already have experience in the industry. If they like you, they'll gladly help you.
F) Documentation. Some people might not say the piece of paper at the end is worth as much as skill, and they'd be right. But if you want to work abroad, you often need some sort of documentation. If you graduated from Calarts or something, it might also catch someone's eye.

>>2875518

And since I ran out of space, I'll add the conclusion: All those things are great, none are required. You can make do without any of it, if school is too expensive and you have the drive.

You can also take lessons without necessarily "going to art school". Most people who have taken lessons tend to agree it helped them reach the next level, if you get a decent instructor it will be likely to help you overcome a plateau where you're struggling but don't know where.

>>2875518
>>2875523
Brilliant, thanks.

Yeah, I'm thinking of maybe starting this newfound passion in art with some youtube tutorials, perhaps some books as well that'll be related to what I'm interested in....Then from there, pay for some art classes at a community college or at some building or whatever.

But absolutely would love to pay for some classes..I just feel like I'd need to do that to hone in all these nuances moreso than say me picking up a guitar and becoming good at that, or brewing beer or whatever

>>2875518
I don't think anyone discounts ALL schools. A good school will help obviously. The problem is many schools today are clearly not good at all and will waste your time and money and possibly even build in bad habits.

look up arc approved ateliers. That's how I found my school and it has taught me a lot.

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>>2875510

The secret to being good or exceptional at anything are the following:

> Sacrifice
>Suffering
> Dedication.
>Suffering.

Without these elements you can never hope to unlock your full potential at anything.

>>2875510
The master/apprentice and atelier systems are dead and that's why there aren't much good artists. School doesn't teach you anything about art. Find the oldest books you can find on art and read those if you want to learn about how to make art and even then you still are missing a lot of stuff a master would teach you.

>>2875580
I would add a caveat that frustration is a consequence of extending beyond your current ability, not necessarily an "ingredient". You can suffer, and still not get anywhere. /ic/ seems to romanticize suffering rather than accepting it as apart of the process. It's better to have good practice than tough practice.

>16 hour study sessions
> can't draw from imagination until you have 5 years worth of life drawing.
> only art is entertainment art

>>2875575
What a great resource. Thank you so much. I was looking for a good atelier around my area that focuses on technique and not "muh feels" and I finally found one through the ARC.

>>2875602
Just be careful with any of those ateliers. Yes they teach you their methods very well, but the methods they teach are usually a bastardized version of the French system and have little practical application outside of still life or portraiture. You won't be painting like the old masters, you won't be able to do illustration or compose a scene, you won't be taught things like gesture or invention or design, you won't even learn something as basic as plein air painting at most of them.

Every school has a focus. Still life is a good foundation for all forms of art, but you are right in saying that many ateliers are run by people with a pretty narrow view of what art is. I'm not sure what "You won't be painting like the old masters" means. I would say many if not most ateliers on that list would teach at the very least gestures, but I can't say for sure. Def not design, but thats kind of outside of the scope of classical realism imo.

>>2875605
What the hell is the french system?

>>2875518
I think you should reword this to say
What you should look for in a school
Schools that offer quality schooling are a dime a dozen
Too many are modern art tripe

>>2875644
It uses the Bargue Course and often sight-size. It's more based on 2d shapes than on construction like some other traditions such as Russian.

>>2875745
what are the other characteristics of the 'Russian style' other than construction? And how does it compare to other styles?/is there one style to rule them all?

>>2875590
What are you talking about? There are more good artists than ever before in history. Just not quite as many fine art masterpainters painting naked women and flower vases.

>>2877077
There are a lot of people that paint well, none of them know how to arrange compositions in a traditional sense which it pains me to see. The only thing I think people do better now than people in the past is color and that's largely thanks to our greater scientific understanding of how light works.

>>2875510
Im going to school for Industrial design. I havnt started yet but I'm hoping it helpd with art. anyone here an ID major? Im going to CityTech

>>2875510
No god artist was ever self-taught.