Can art be objectively good or bad?

>>2868947
wow a video made specifically for proko

>>2868949
The sad part about it is that this dog has more appeal.

>>2868957
How are these objective though?
Are these not just a subjective idea of "correct" that has been accepted by multiple people, enough to give it a majority subjective vote or "yes" that gives it the appearance of being objective?
How, or why, are these things objectively true?

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>>2868969
>light, perspective, proportion and construction aren't objective

Go fuck yourself. It's literally physics.

>>2869036
how are they objective TO ART?
they exist outside of art, but how does that make them objectively "right" in art?
is it objectively "wrong" to choose not to adhere to what is natural?

>>2868947
Art may be subjective but it is certainly possible to assess the skill of an artist and their art, though the further away it gets from the technical side, the harder this gets.
>absolutely objective; absolute truth
there's no such thing.

>>2868957
>>2868969
when criteria like these are successfully employed, the image looks better, is better understood and more engaging to the viewer.
of course the criteria always depend on the goal.
skill and evaluation of skill comes with experience.

OP, I think you might be more concerned with the notion of objectivity itself than how artistic skill can be measured. Maybe look up a philosophy book on the subject.

>>2869044
>OP, I think you might be more concerned with the notion of objectivity itself than how artistic skill can be measured. Maybe look up a philosophy book on the subject.


This is correct. I asked here because I see people insist morals cannot be objective, but that art absolutely can be. That the first is always personal taste, but the second isn't. And I was curious to see how these two views contrasted. I started a similar thread on /his/, not about art.

>>2869037
>how are they objective TO ART?
they're not, not neccessarily. they are however objective to the craft of drawing and painting, which is and has been a medium for art for a long time.
art is a fucking loaded word with no clear definition.
that being said, it's not science and as such not concerned with a factual truth, wrong/right, but rather the human experience.

You don't inherently need the fundimentals to make "good art" or anything that anyone would define as "real" or "true" art. But what you do need is the ability to convey an idea and if you don't have that ability than a good place to start is the fundimentals.

The only reason the industries push for some form of mastery over fundimentals is because they are setting a standard that everyone can understand because of how subjective "good art" can be. The more you look at real life and use that as reference the less guesswork there is between everyone involved in the production.

Then you come to ic who have inadvertently replaced art with fundimentals and now all they see is a linear scale in mastery of fundimentals which is great craftsmanship but not art

>>2868957
What does Pattern and Contour mean with these definitions?

>>2868947
Can we take this moment to make the distinction between fine art, which is just a subjective expresion of emotion or tought and just "art" which normally reffers to drawing and painting?

>>2869050
>I see people insist morals cannot be objective, but that art absolutely can be. That the first is always personal taste, but the second isn't.
On 4chan? Most people I know would probably claim the exact opposite.
Is it the 'Is morality objective or subjective?' thread? You got me curious as well.

>>2868947
Technique is objective. Idea isn't.
Nothing about that is open for discussion.

Art that doesn't demonstrate any technique (Pollock, land art, installations and similar postmodern insults to the old masters) can't be judged objectively.

>>2869067
Yes, that thread.
You've encountered more people insisting morality is objective?

>>2869068
/thread

>>2869068
Replace idea with emotion and I will agree. Philosophy is about ideas, art is about catharsis.

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>>2869073
I'm speculating actually...