When did you realize that you're not going to make it?

>>2868514

Never, and I'll never realize that because I am going to make it. So are you if you stop whining like a bitch, silence your mind and keep drilling fundamentals non-stop.


I am back to grinding Scott Robertson's book. See you on the other side, Anon.

>>2868514
when I was a little stupid kid easily influenced by ppl which did not make it in their own dreams

>>2868542
This desu senpai. I am gonna make it 100%. Join us OP.

>>2868514
Never gonna make it

>>2868542
I really want to believe that. But I don't think I can handle failing again.

Daily reminder that Kim Jung Gi did 50 pages of drawing each day in high school.

If you want something, you have to work for it.

>>2868617
I doubt that's physically possible unless you only do a bunch of shitty doodles.

>>2868615

>But I don't think I can handle failing again.

Then don't think, just work. Stop talking in your head, just move your arm and draw.

>>2868634
Man I have never worked this hard in my life. Still doesn't feel like it's going to pay off.

>>2868542
Word.

Now I'm going to do some Reilly heads.

>>2868637

If you really want to do this, then just shut it. Keep working your ass off on the fundamentals for 6 months, then check your progress.

I gotta get back to it mate, but you'll feel better if you just start drawing.

>>2868543
Nailed it.

Stop thinking like a child, stop looking to other people for answers. You are a sovereign individual with free will. Think for yourself.

>>2868543
>>2868652
are you me?

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>>2868542
being a defeatist never got anyone anywhere good. glad to see someone persevering.

>>2868514
Not gonna make it.

>>2868621
Traditional Animators were required to do even more work than that. Stop being a defeatist.

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>>2868514
When I realise my art skills rose by leaps when I stop pursuing art as a career.

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>>2868514
when I started browsing /ic/.

In all seriousness though this is a bad place to learn.

these threads are always so depressing
>>2868542
thank you for saying that

>>2868886
it's great when you're lucky to get good paintovers/redlines

but that's it, takes luck to get good feedback

I laugh every time I see threads like this. I'm glad people like you want to be my competitors. While you all stay NEET, delay your education or shitpost on 4chan I'm getting good.

>>2868821
Yeah. But if you're in high school you've still got school.
I could completely buy it if it was the only obligation he had. But unless HS in South Korea is lax as shit (which from what I've heard is not exactly accurate), I'm saying it's bullshit.

why does everyone assume you have to be the "best" in order to be successful? This isn't a sport. Competition does exist in any artistic related industry, but there's so much demand that one amazing artist can't supply for. I relate this to singing. Not only is it subjective, but you have people like Maroon 5 and Brittany Spears making money off their shitty vocals. Kim Jung Gi is like the Celine Dion of Art. Sure, they are talented, but i wouldn't hire them to draw Kill La Kill or sing "California Love".

>>2869606
>Kim jung gi is the Celine dion of art
Kys

>>2869610
Amazing argument...

>>2868514

When i typed "Ft. Troll Semen" into my Bob Ross method guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJxf5jUVD8k

>>2868514
When I realized that I don't care as much as I thought I did or wanted to. I have no real passions in life, no real aspirations, and will probably kill myself before I'm 30.

>>2870818
You have no argument either. Your post is just your opinions and worldview. You also began your post "best" in quotes. Who the fuck are you quoting? Ctrl+f, you're the first person to mention anything about being the best in this thread. So that's strawmanning on top of having shit taste in music on top of being a defensive little cunt

Not the person you're replying to, but I will reiterate for his sake.
Kill
Your
Self

Always remember that friendship is magic, and that we'll always love you no matter what. When you feel down, push through your sadness with work and soon enough that will change.

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>>2868514
We have an entire lifetime to draw. Better make the most out of it.
>>2868542
You too, Anon.

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>>2870965
>We have an entire lifetime to draw. Better make the most out of it.

not at all, but if i were killed tomorrow at the bus stop it would be one of my regrets.

>>2870825
>When I realized that I don't care as much as I thought I did or wanted to. I have no real passions in life, no real aspirations, and will probably kill myself before I'm 30.
same here

>>2868542
absolutely this.

>>2868932
No you're not. Post work, you hack

This video was made just for you OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPHuRnixxWM

>>2872126
>tfw that title
I'm not sure if this is going to crush me or bring me back up.

>>2868886
If not for /ic/ I wouldn't have been exposed to some artists I ended up liking a lot. And finding certain resources easily. There's that at least

>>2868514
DELETE THIS

>>2868514
When i realized i've procrastinated for more than a year and barely learned anything new.

There's still hope for you though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

>>2868514
When I ended up in a psychiatric hospital in 2011. Being committed was incidentally unrelated to art, but I knew that that was the end of the line for any further serious drawing and painting.

In the years since, I've experimented with a lot. Crochet. Needle felting. Polymer clay. Papier mache. Making plush toys following my own patterns, or following someone else's pattern to practice my sewing. Taxidermy. I'm rubbish at most of them, but there's joy in the act of creation, which is what I need more than the serious ability to paint or draw.

>>2868514
At the very start

>>2870826
cringe

>>2868514

By choice a while ago. I grew up and realized that working as an artist is totally shitty for 99% of professional artists and pays terrible. I'd rather make actual art on my own time than have to draw shiny knights and sci-fi hangars for peanuts for some shitty Dark Souls: Halo 6 the MMORPG video game.

>>2876563
>I grew up and realized that working as an artist is totally shitty for 99% of professional artists and pays terrible.
So you fell for the it's shitty all the time meme

I've sort of made it and sort of haven't. I'm always teetering on the edge of success, but never quite sustain it. One problem is I'm lazy as fuck.

>>2868514
Just yesterday.

I'm really going to Sudoku

I'm going to keep drawing but I just hate the feeling of not yet having the skill to create what I visualize in my mind.

>>2868542
Go anon, Go! We're making it!

>>2868514
When I got too old.

>>2876521
Nah, he's right.

Joke's on you, I'm not trying to make it.

Art is just a hobby of mine and if I get good at all by the age of 30, then great. If not, it's not like I would have wasted my time doing anything more productive than drawing.

>>2877346
d-d-d-double cringe

>>2876567

it's not a meme if it's true

enjoy 40k a year

>>2877369
Better than 12k a year

>>2868542
FIRST POST, BEST POST
WOOOOOO

>>2868542
Just because you think you can do something, doesn't mean you can.

>>2877382
True, but at least trying your hardest is better than believing you can't. At the end, you'll be somewhere.

>>2877387
Better to think you suck rather then have hard proof you're a failure.

>>2868542
I wish i had the balls to kill myself already.

>>2877388
If the skill is equal in both cases, it doesn't matter what you think.

What you should do is just enjoy the ride while it lasts. Enjoy drawing and have the will to improve.

>>2877392
You don't enjoy something you're always going to suck at. Practice doesn't always make you better.

>>2877400
Except that it does.
You just need to be lucky and do the right exercises.

>>2877400
Suck at is a broad term, depends how high your bar is for not sucking.

I imagine anyone without some form of retardation can get decent enough at drawing if they keep at it. Completely another story if your IQ is 60, maybe git gud at scrubbing toilets instead.

>>2877403
So if you don't have luck you're fucked?

>>2877406
But plenty of non-retarded artists still suck at art.

>>2877422
>So if you don't have luck you're fucked?
Like life itself.

>>2877388

You need to stop being such an entitled piece of shit, no one owes you anything, buddy. If you want to git gud, you gotta force through the obstacles life throws at you because there's really no other way. You can moan all you want, it won't change a thing. We both know for certain that you'll never improve if you don't practice, and all you're saying are just shitty excuses not to bother trying.


Stop being a sad puppy and take control of your dreams.

>>2877353
>it's not like I would have wasted my time doing anything more productive than drawing.
This, ever since I started I feel guilty whenever I play videogames or watch videos

>>2877450
I've been drawing for over a year now with zero improvement, and that's with a half hour of practice a day and reading all the recommend books like Loomis.

>>2877455

>half hour of practice a day


0.5hx365= 182.5 h That's fucking nothing. Jesus christ, how are you surprised you're not getting anywhere? It will take you 55 years to get 10.000 hours experience at this rate.


Dude, what the fuck?

>>2877461
Well how long should I work? Three hours? Five?

>>2877463
Depends, if you plan on living from this shit, you should invest all the time you can (with breaks of course).

If it's just a hobby and you really want to improve you should do 2-2.5h and analyze your mistakes.

>>2877463

I'd say 6 hours a day minimum, and if you really want to blow everyone else and rocket away in terms of improvement, try 15 hours a day for a couple months and watch your morale get boosted to the max. Look dude, even one day doing 15 hours a day is the same amount of practice as a month of 0.5h a day you've been doing. Imagine that shit.

>>2877466
So I just wasted my fucking time for an entire year then.

>>2877468
no, because you didn't even work that much to begin with.
If you're that worried about wasting your time, you should really focus on what you want to improve so every draw you make improves yourself a bit more.
Books are guides, if you think "fuck, this drawing looks so unreal and fake" then go and study perspective if your drawings look deformed as fuck go and study proportions.

You can't go forward if you don't even know the path.

Breaks are important of course.
>I'd say 6 hours a day minimum
this guy is crazy, no adult with a job will have energy to do this shit everyday.


But i can guarantee one thing, the real effort (not half assed shit) is tangible.
If you really invest yourself in it you will become good at it, but first you have to ask yourself "do i really want to become good at art/an illustrator that bad?".

>>2877481
So do the same thing that failed to get any results, just more of it.

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>>2868542
>grinding
>Scott Robertson book

>>2868514
Not gonna make it.

>>2877461
>It will take you 55 years to get 10.000 hours
10k hours has been debunked for years, fuck off.

>>2877455
> a half hour of practice a day

Try to slowly increase the amount of time per day. Slowly but surely you'll be doing 2 hours a day, and you'll probably see improvement then

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>>2868514
You go anon!
We're all gonna make it one day.

>>2878387
If half of hour didn't do anything, Why would two hours?

>>2879768
Beginners are slow to get stuff so sometimes more time is better

>>2879776
If I didn't get it before, why would I get it now?

>>2879785
Because you just need to spend more time

>>2879792
That doesn't make any sense.

>>2879793
It may not sense now, but it will later

>>2879796
That sounds like bullshit.

>>2879797
Perhaps, but you won't make it if you give up, so what other choice do you have?

>>2879800
What makes you think I'll make it anyway?

>>2879805
You keep replying to me. That's why you'll make it no matter what.

>>2868514
it was never about making it - it was about being free to do what you wanted that made you happy even if you had to take shitty soul crushing gigs.

>>2879809
This to be honest. The meaning got lost along the way for some reason.

>>2879808
So you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>2879820
You can believe that if you want.

>>2879831
I do. Because it's true.

>>2879836
That's fine. You're free to do what you want.

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>>2868514
When Attall retweeted picrelated. I realized it's /ic/ magicoreo and fall into dispair. I'm 25 years old NEET who spent 4 years learning hot to draw using "Teal's guide" as bible and achive nothing except being shit version of Proko v0.3 who only can draw shitty realistic meat bags from reference. More important that I hate drawing so much. All people I know who start drawing anime using "how to draw manga" books are successful right now and enjoy their craft. "Academic" way of learning is mistake. Teal was wrong. Just kill me. I have no future

>>2879981
What is "Teal's guide"?

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>>2879998

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>>2879981
dont give up dude! you have the basics now you just have to keep drawing from imagination.
Its a skill like everything els, to get better in it you have to do it.

>>2879981
uh attall =/= magicoreo

>>2879981
Please do, and don't come back.

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>>2879981

Something to be noted is that the guides /ic/ recommends are guides people put together in hindsight. The "If I could have gone back" or "After learning all this stuff and making it work, here's the proper path to take".

It's assumed that when the advice is given, you're fucking around on your own time with a goal in mind or creating stuff for yourself from your imagination. Or rearranging what you learn into a whole new thing.

That's the most important key. Arguable the second would be using what you're studying constructively.

Anyway. If you find yourself in a trap where you can only draw from reference from only studying, the solution is to just draw shit. And do it the logical route. Start with small shapes in perspective, and start filling things in.

Hopefully it works out. It might not. I don't know. My artwork is fucking garbage too.

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>>2868514
Everytime I draw something I believe is acutally okay.
I'm proud like like a little child.
I'm like hey whatcha think?
The answer is always the same.
It's shit.
When they point out my mistakes I slowly start to see them aswell.
And yes it's shit.

Totally fine with it though.
Hehe...

>>2880047
>Attall retweeted picrelated
???

>>2877484
doing something more will cause you to get better at it more quickly

>>2868514
It was never about making it because a short time after I started I realized art was an end and not a mean even so I still try very hard so maybe someday I can make it both

>>2879836

Man, it's like you're just waiting for someone to tell you you won't make it so you don't have to take any responsibility for your life.

Stop being a weak prick and work hard at what you want, we're all trying ti make it.

>>2879981
So what is the way of learning? Just draw from manga and anime all the time as well as from imagination? Only ref when you need to? Sounds good to me.

When I was young my drawings are always shit and aware /it is/ shit but think "It's the best that I can make right now." and "I'm better than people my age!" and if not then "I'm better than ___."

I even quit drawing as a kid, that's when I started drawing robots then it turned into collecting toy robots, and even crafting origami space ships.
Started drawing again, I cheated by copying and tracing. Then I drew my first OC and with anatomy (although I've no idea what it is at my age) ended up throwing/burning/watering them down the sink and kinda regretted it now because I'm in need of concept designs.

I compensated what I lacked but I wasn't aware of it.
I was open to possibilities "I'll be good when I'm this age"
I've seen artists surpass me lots of times so nothing can hurt me anymore.

So far the best thing I discovered myself is to "trust your feelings and let your mind focus." "stop thinking too much and trust your intuition."

>>2868514
>When did you realize that you're not going to make it?
People think of not making it when:

they realized they've wasted time.
wasted money.
wasted opportunities.
they're too old for this.

too shallow to understand that none of those really matter if you truly want to draw.

>>2880093
>Just draw from manga and anime all the time as well as from imagination?
Not that anon but this is what I do since every anime have different styles unless they're from the same studio (manga artists have uniquest styles)

>Only ref when you need to? Sounds good to me.
Yes unless you plan on putting every single thing that exist in your work which is impossible. BTW you don't need to draw every ref, you can use these refs as reference for developing and expanding your concepts (gothic/techno/steampunk)

>>2880100
Jesus Christ anon
Who the hell are you?

>So far the best thing I discovered myself is to "trust your feelings and let your mind focus." "stop thinking too much and trust your intuition."
>too shallow to understand that none of those really matter if you truly want to draw

Why can you read me like a book? I need more of you in my life. I think I can do it now with these advice.

I make a nice £600 extra per month selling landscapes on ebay, even once you take into account their fees and material costs, I end up making about £13 per hour. If I could be bothered to scale it up I could probably make the national average p/a.

>>2880111
>tfw landscapes will always be needed but can only draw characters

>>2880118
Landscape are fucking easy man, just copy a photograph and learn from this guy https://www.youtube.com/user/MichaelJamesSmithArt

>>2868542
This so much desu.

Im going back to listening to music and watching anime.