/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2859397
First post on /ic/. Tried to focus on the perspective and the foreshortening, found the left arm quite difficult.

>>2859123
No, I want it with the subjects pre selected for the sake of a challenge.

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After seeing the dialogue about the difficulties of reverse drawing in the last thread, I suddenly wanted to draw something in reverse. Subject is, obviously, >>2859400.
How'd it turn out?

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>>2859394
I've been working on this far too long to be this shit.

>>2859489
how small is this drawing? and what's with your shading? it would look a lot better if you actually tried.

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Here's a sketch of Rulk I just drew
Any criticism? Any points to improve? I think the body is somewhat decent but I had difficulties with the face. They're a lot harder with a tablet than with pen and paper

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didn't know there was a new one!

still in the first chapter of Keys to Drawing, but it's helping a lot i think

the left one I tried to do the upside-down drawing thing. right one I did normally.

crit pls

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>>2859516
reference

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>>2859515
and here's some lazy coloring I did on the top
i can't color for shit

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>>2859516
if you aim for realism, you could try something like this, to see where the faults are

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>>2859509
>>2859489
What does that mean?

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What do I need to Improve on or Change..?

>>2859530
the filesize and orientation

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>>2859530
The face is fine enough considering your level and the style you were going for, but the body seems flat, especially in the right shoulder area. The attempts at making the leather jacket shine don't help either, as they just end up looking like flat tiger stripes. Try getting some references of leather materials so you can see how it reacts to light, and do some studies on clothes so you know how they fold around the body.
Cheers.

>>2859537
Thank you.

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LOOK, THE OTHER SIDE...

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turds 2: the repolishing

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can i stop here and say "this is my style" or is this still shit?

>>2859594
sorry, but still shit

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I tried redrawing the face a ton of times, but I could never get it right. Does anyone have any ideas? Any other critiques are welcome.

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>>2859606
Ref related

>>2859606
fundamentals of facial structure is a start

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>>2859394
What advice do you guys have?

>>2859609
are you calling this "style" or you tried to draw a person?

>>2859610
To be honest, i just sort of drew her. I put more thought into the placement of colors

>>2859606

You have more basic things to worry about. Learn how to draw 3D shapes before trying figure drawings.

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>>2859394
Haven't painted since last year April cause my ex took up too much time, fucking rate me

>>2859613
put more thought on the character given that it's the focus of the image then come back. cos honestly this looks like shit

>>2859615
don't say "3D" or else that shitty infographic made by someone who's been drawing for two weeks comes

>>2859559
Next time try squinting and blocking out value shapes.

>>2859616
Don't ask if you know that you're shit

>>2859642
That is in fact what I did. I guess I just muddle them together too much for some reason.

>>2859609
nice tits

>>2859523
gonna point out what i can myself, since noone else is (im the same anon that posted >>2859516)

alright from what i can see, apart from the drawing being...downsized:
>arm/shoulder is inaccurate
>the head/ear are tilted a bit off
>the mouth, nose, eyebrow are all off too
>the way the shirt is hanging is unnatural/awkward, especially the right side
>and the right arm doesn't have the..."body" or structure it should. i think i did better with that aspect on the left arm.

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Here's a drawing of random objects in my room. How is it? Any tips or feedback?

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>>2859399

At this point I would probably flip, transform and move stuff until all the proportions are right, but I have a feeling that is contraproductive or "cheating"

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>>2859681
saying things are "off" is rarely helpful since he can just side-by-side his drawing to the ref. I hate when people do this. Do you ahve anything to say about perhaps technique or anything deeper than fundamental meausuring errors?

>>2859688
i literally said that i'm the same anon that posted the drawing. i was just pointing out what i can see from that

i don't know what else is wrong, esp. with technique, so i am looking for someone to point those things out

>>2859690
Oh dang sorry my bad. didn't read all of your post jej

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First time posting here; New to this style. Inspiration is Junji Ito and Lynn Nguyen. Fuck me up senpai I need critique.

>>2859684
Good start anon. All the figures are established, they're very well shaped and easily identifiable. Check out your light source though, some of the shadows are misaligned (like the cylinder), and misplaced (like the fruit and the mouse). Also your shading is inconsistent. Some of it looks very gritty and textured but the highlights seem mismatched because they're smoothed/smudged.

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This is my first time posting here. Heres a study i did today, i've never really done anything like this before and i was wondering how i could improve my on weaknesses

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>>2859742
heres the original

>>2859727
Hmm, okay I will check the shadow alignments and clean up the shading some. Thank you!

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So, I found my old Promarkers that I used about twice and then put away and never used again. I've got 19 of them. 5 of them are shades of grey, and the two greens are the exact same colour.

How much more do I need to learn about drawing with markers?

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First time messing with oil

>>2859693
Stop meme-ing

>>2859693
hi haemorrhoid

>>2859805
I don't have much to say because I never did a whole heck of a lot with oils. Got headaches from the turps, even the "odorless" stuff.

Oil paints are funny things, and not at all like acrylics which dry mostly flat. Oil will keep and lumps or bumps, so you want to be certain that the lumps and bumps of paint on your canvas are ones you want to be there. Absolutely great stuff for textural work, but not always so much if your paint is a bit clumpy and you're trying to go for smooth.

Nice flower, working in monochrome is always neat, but I have no idea what that thing to the left of it is supposed to be. Either you're still working on it and are posting a WIP where it isn't clear, or you should go back and retouch that kind of splotchy bit because I have no idea what's going on.

>>2859823
>I have no idea what that thing to the left of it is supposed to be
Just an abstract thing to balance out the composition and add a bit more depth. Imagine it's a bush.

I'm not sure this is even possible but I feel like I've lost the last 14 days of progress entirely because I started draw a box.

I've only been doing this for two days but now when I draw my mind gets super cluttered while drawing people or from imagination, I went from drawing semi-decent people to my worst symbol drawing in months with a million lines and it's incredibly frustrating.

I keep trying to get my eyes back with pure contours and upside down drawing but it feels worse than it was before.

>>2859848
This is actually good. Upside down drawing and recreating shapes is just helpful for a beginner to realize "oh look, I'm not a moron, I can make things look nice too". However negative spaces and flipping images upside down will never teach you construction or gesture. So unless you want to be one of those youtube meme artists just copying images painstakingly unable to do anything else, just accept this new stage and work through it like anything.

>>2859856
But this goes against everything that I've been learning, am I being memed?

So I have to abandon learning to draw what I see and focus on constructing and measuring which is basically what I used to do before and it looked much worse and was riddled with symbol drawing because I had the same set of construction shapes that I'd go to.

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>>2859859
So something more like this? Less flowy and contour based and more blocky/cylindrical?

>>2859655
You came to /beg thread to insult beginners? fuck i hate shits like you

>>2859872
his criticism was legitimate and you response was infantile

>>2859875
Its possible to give critique without being an asshole

>>2859870
could you share the ref please ?

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>>2859885

>>2859884
sometimes its necessary to be an asshole

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>>2859859
no, he's basically right.
there's pure observational drawing where you just copy a 2D image, and there's constructive drawing where you *re-create* your subject using your art fundamentals knowledge. right now you're just starting on perspective it seems, so you have limited knowledge and it'll be hard to make things look good.
>riddled with symbol drawing because I had the same set of construction shapes that I'd go to
when you construct you're building your subject out of 3D forms, not symbols or shapes. so you consider, for example, where an arm is sitting in 3D space, is it above or below the horizon line, how is it orientated relative to the view, etc. stuff you'd consider if you were... drawing a box or cylinder in perspective.
remember what vilppu-sensei says, "we never copy the model, but analyze it"

>>2859870
yeah, basically like that, the figure is being considered as a set of 3D forms and not a 2D image.
and gesture is still very important to having a pleasing and dynamic pose, it doesn't have to be "blocky" exactly, it can be pretty flowy and curvy in fact

>>2859890
TOO THICC

>>2859893
no such thing my good man!

>>2859875
>Don't ask if you know that you're shit

'dont ask'
'you are shit'
yeah we must have different definitions of critique. fucking retard

>>2859904
stop replying to bait for fucks sake

>>2859904
that was good critique though.
your post shows a significant flaw in mindset to which the remedy is firstly the physical "dont ask" and secondly the psychological "you are shit". in two clean statements in one clean sentence. efficient and precise advice. if only you werent such a child, you would have taken it by now instead of defending yourself on a mongolian wood-carving forum and insulting people.

>>2859910
Im not the one it was aimed at. obvious troll, moving on

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>>2859890
It's hard to take in that I've been more or less wasting my time with my blind drawing practice but I'm glad somebody pointed it out before I got too used to it.

Drawing boxes and straight shapes is incredibly difficult for me so the prospect of having to use them in all of my drawings from now on is a bit of a downer but I'm sure I'll adapt.

Do you have any pointers on keeping the gesture so it doesn't end up too stiff? The thing that really drew me to observational drawing was how everything flowed and looked natural and how to tackle more complicated shapes? It seems easy enough for poses but having to reconstruct a realistic face like this is a scary thought.

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I decided I wanted to learn how to draw a week ago, so I drew a zaku.
Never colored anything, literally no idea what im doing, also first time im trying out digital. Got the cheapest wacom I could find.

>>2859918
AVOID THE ROID

>>2859916
not awful desu.
continue working through the sticky and do 3d space training.

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>>2859923
I also tried drawing a female elite knight.
God damn drawing hands is hard.

>>2859927
awful desu
go read the sticky

>>2859931
STOP BULI HEMM CHAN

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>>2859914
you haven't been wasting time, don't worry. those observation skills are really important, without being able to draw what you see, you wouldn't be able to construct either.
watch proko's figure videos: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws
they seem right up your alley. he talks about how to keep the gesture throughout your drawing as well.
for faces and stuff there are abstractions to look into like loomis' (i think proko's got a video on head construction using the loomis method as well)
see here in the pic. these are the starting steps of the loomis method. there's also the reilly method, which is good, but i feel a bit more advanced than loomis'.
also look up the asaro head, that's a sculpture demonstrating the planes of the head and face. one half is simpler than the other too. it's good artist reference for when you're a bit more advanced.

>>2859936
All I know is that you need some serious psychiatric help.

Should I just jump straight into Loomis or are there some kind of fundamentals I should practice first?

>>2859971
drawabox
sticky

>tfw your hands are especially shaky today

>>2859991
ligameme?

>>2859993
Had a pretty hard massage session yesterday, might be just that.

>>2859993
>>2859994
But I do actually have that silly useless muscle.

Is there an ideal posture for drawing? I pretty much just hunch over my desk right now, probably not the best form.

>>2859997
>tfw no triple ligameme

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first time posting here

>>2860009
proportions are a bit off. try praising villpu beans for bio form and overlap.

loomis heads

>>2860008
I got double :D

>>2860007
Well, straighten your back. It's not just good for drawing but everything.

>>2860011
I'll try it, thanks for the advice.

>>2860016
practising villpu beans*

What's a good place to dig up references from, even for males?

>>2860023
it would be quicker to just use google to find the answer to that question. in the future you should consider that line of action before asking in the thread.

>>2860025
Well, by the time you posted that answer I had not found any stasifactory results on google.

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>>2860028
im pretty sure i got baited but

enjoy the (You) i guess

>>2860009

I feel like her wrists shouldn't be like that

>>2860023

http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/

>>2860040
yeah, maybe i drew them too pointed.

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Tried to make a demon chick. What do i need to work on?

>>2860078
B E A N S
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A
N
S

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>>2860065

try to imagine which parts of the hand are in the front, to me it kind of looks like she has two left hands

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>>2859469
some things were a little too big and some were not angled correctly. but it's a really good attempt keep practicing.

>>2860085
true, i just noticed that

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>>2859469

I'm also >>2860086

Just noticed something about your sketch anon. You really need to fix your line dependency, you missed so many details on her face. I'd really suggest you reading the sticky but if you can't be bothered doing that then please take the time to work through "Drawing on the right side of the brain" you can find the third edition online as a PDF.

>>2860078
Rendering

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a few days into this. i normally dont post until i've done at least a week of grinding but i feel like im doing something wrong here, i just cant get the downward angles and everything looks a bit wrong. thoughts?

>>2860250
The head bends over the neck if that's what you mean

>>2860286
i dont. help me.

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>>2857494

Here's what I did today

>>2860250

forehead sticks out too much, neck should attach more to the back of the skull not the middle

eye sockets too big but I guess thats a question of style

>>2860250
drop the anime shape

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>>2860414
im aiming for and mimicking this. in the long term i want to draw a more realistic style but for now i think its best if i do something simple and easier.

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>>2860425

for the neck it could help to imagine a straight line from the top of the head to the middle of where the neck begins

emphasis on the bone over the eye makes the face look neandertalish, artists usually do the opposite by emphasizing cheek bones

it's easier to learn drawing realistically first and then finding your style instead of the other way around but follow your heart

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>>2859396
I guess I didn't get it as dynamic as the original. Took around 6-8 minutes. Face is squishy too only have a 0.2 pen on me...

>>2860446
thank you for the response. yeah that seems like good advice. im trying to simplify things into as few straight lines as possible and planning to curve them out later. ill try and do what you said though. maybe ill make another post in a few days if im still having trouble. thanks again.

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Started doing excercises based on the sticky, posting progress, sorry about the quality.
1/4 upside down Stravinsky

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>>2860491
2/4 Keys to drawing - hand excercise

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>>2860495
3/4 Keys - pepper (from memory and actual)

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>>2860499
4/4 Keys - eyes

>>2860390
I like the single pieces you did ( nose, eyes, mouth) but the face shows that you don't know where to put them in what relation. Don't draw singled out facial parts always draw them in context to train yourself where and how what belongs.

>>2860250
Google some bald people and draw them. You don't get the headshape.

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what i did so far today, going back to it

bottle is for Keys to Drawing exercise 1-E. supposed to be sideways.

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and i tried this guy >>2859402

>>2860556
time for my daily does of haemorrhoids

>>2859394
shading is so fucking boring it makes me want to kill myself

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>>2860097
My gratitude to you. Didn't think anyone would notice it by now. True enough, I missed a lot of little details, but the ones related to shading are most probably my gamma settings' fault. Until after I posted the picture, I didn't notice her hair being not as neat as it seems. I actually noticed the bump on the neck, but I suppose my cam's QUALITY hides it. I traced the picture with a pen later, it's more visible there.

I'll try drawing more things in reverse when I'll have some free time again. It's a more interesting practice than traditional copying, albeit not as hard on the brain as trying to copy a complex picture upside-down.

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aaaand the "focusing" Keys exercise, 1-F

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>>2860632
reference

>>2860632
I wonder why it looked like a hideous torture device for balls to me... Anon, you could, uh, show the difference in value between the object and the background by applying some hatching on the beaters.

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Okay ~ 40 minutes of reference drawing

>roast me plu

>>2860502
These look all pretty solid imo - I like your linework it's really clean and focused. I'm too bad of an artist to say something helpful but I still wanted to give feedback.

so
as a beginner pre loomis and pre drawabox
should i get into a habit of gesture drawing every other day or should i finish drawabox first?

>>2860653
How about both

>>2860653
absolutely finish drawabox first

>>2860657
>>2860660
now im confused
how about drawabox one day then gesture with loomis afterwards

>>2859685
The head is too long and the nose to short... and so on. Try to look closer. I have the feeling you get the basic structure but need to train your eye to see the details that makes him look like he does.

Flipping an image to see your mistakes is fine but don't form shape rather try to fix it by hand.

>>2860665
Gestures and drawabox are /beg/ memes to waste your time and make you leave and never come back. Just get drawing from life. Draw a chair, draw from references, draw from imagination. Don't waste your time with memes unless you are actually that stupid then go ahead. Some people who come here are definitely a bit mentally retarded.

>>2859727
Her face creeps me out - but the figurine looks okay in this style ( which I'm not familiar with).

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>>2859394
Something I drew for my boyfriend, Ive never posted but Id like to get good.

>>2860680
DAB Isnt

>>2860684
cute

>>2860653
Do Keys to Drawing instead, when you're done with that start with Loomis and Drawabox.

>>2860680
Honest question ( but please consider me retarded) why is drawabox worse than drawing from imagination? Especially as a beginner

>>2860703
It is meant to weed out people too retarded to figure out how to draw lines and circle. If you can't do that, something's wrong with you and you need a doctor. If you want to get better at drawing, you need to draw, especially the kind of stuff you want to draw in the future. It's the quickest way. Even if it's bad, fix it and make it not bad.

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>>2860684

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>>2860706

>>2860705
this is incorrect

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>>2860708
I have a bad habit of pressing too hard when drawing

>>2860711
You have a good mind and creativity, are you looking to become an illustrator for children's books?

>>2860705
I drew from imagination for 15 years and now I'm almost 30 and still draw like a pre school kid finally trying to get better. I don't have the feeling recommending drawing from imagination is the best thing for beginner.

>>2860715
I'm not looking to become anything related to art, and if someone approached me right now and asked me to illustrate for them I'd have to decline

I start a lot of things but as you can see have a lot of trouble finishing them

If I got to the point where I was good enough to draw genuinely finished products Im happy with then Id certainly enjoy being an illustrator for kids but it isnt something Im seeking out

>>2860717
And are you better?

>>2860727

You decide. I usually draw digitally - these are ink scribbles I did at work. I think considering my age and how long I'been drawing it's atrocious.
>>2860648

This is from my pre draw a box /Hampton hogging time 2 years ago :

http://pre06.deviantart.net/e211/th/pre/i/2015/021/e/6/horrible_stuff_by_dalsifodyas-d8et6gz.png

>>2860736
much better

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>>2859402
This is frustrating, but I'm still better than I used to be

>>2859394
http://www.strawpoll.me/12339745

I am curious as to the ratio of males and females in /ic/

>>2860758
We already found that out, it's like 70-30

>>2860761
f:m or m:f?

4chan has a high male population but casual drawing is very much a female thing so I have no idea

>>2860764
Oh yeah man it's totally 70% females

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m or f?

>>2860767
Male

>>2860767
There's no tits, not even a body so neither.

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>>2860765

>>2860771
Bruh. I meant if the face seemed masculine or feminine.

>>2860767
male

>>2860767
who can tell with elves

>>2859606
http://analyticalfiguresp08.blogspot.com/

check this out

Do you guys follow any comics/webcomics for anatomy reference, color or design inspo?

>>2860711
hold the pencil looser in your fingers then your can't press too hard or the pencil will slip out. not joking.

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i quit

>>2860803
i would highly recommend not doing that

>>2860818
How come?

>>2860744
Yeah that's why i'm saying drawing from imagination is bullshit until you know what you are doing

>>2860821
It messes with your brain - learn from reality and nature

>>2860825
most are technically and aesthetically shit also

>>2860822
Your imagination is a very shapeless and vague thing, and unless you really intrinsically know how a dog leg will look standing that certain way - then your imagination wont provide that. It just provides the concept.

Or maybe Im one of those people that struggles to create mental pictures : D

>>2860825
>>2860828
I can understand this, as whenever I draw from a drawing it looks wonky as fuck

>>2860818
Artists have been borrowing ideas from eachother since the dawn of time, I don't see why not

>>2860838
That's just because you're shit

>>2860840
cunt

>>2860840
i know

>>2860840
Or someone else's drawing is a bad ref

>>2860767

Looks like a girl (male)

>>2860652
Thank you anyway.

>>2860840
I imagine it's because they have their own personalized style and copying someone elses' style clashes with their own
For example I guess you don't try to copy Studio Ghibli when your style is Jack Kirby or something

>>2860491
>>2860495
>>2860499
>>2860502
Are you sure you're a beginner?

Loomis or Vilppu, pick only one.

>>2860912

What about Hampton?

>>2860913
I love Hampton - guess it's personal preference

>>2860916

He's great, I found his CGMA vids on CGpeers. Once I get money I'll make sure to buy his stuff.

>>2860425
don't mimmick complete shit that those drawings.

>>2860815
But that looks alright for a practice, it's too early to stop.

>>2860982
It's okay, let them go early while they still can. It'll be too late later on.

>>2860491
>>2860495
>>2860499
>>2860502
whoa good stuff, better than most beginners maybe? i guess this is talent.

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>>2859399
how did i fuck this up so badly

>>2861157
I doubt he's an absolute beginner

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>>2859400
kek i tried

>>2859606
Don't worry Anon, it looks exactly like Markiplier

>>2861312
hearty kek

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>>2860755
My first time doing this

Do I have hope?

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can someone please help me finish this eye even with mspaint?, i just can't get it right.

>>2861210
Didn't look enough at the ref.

>>2860767
male, those cheekbones, that jawline, that wide mouth. or it could be a manly female. whatever floats your boat.

>>2860711
it might be that the surface you put your paper on is too soft, or that your pencils are not dark enough for you. I can certainly tell that you press down hard on your paper.

>>2861336
Everyone has hope. Even someone with only one finger.

The question is if you have discipline to stick with it.

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>>2859402

First drawing, any feedback would be nice

>>2861444
>First drawing
Come on, we have good enough eyes to know that's not true.

>>2861336

The whole point of that exercise is for you to learn how to observe and to quit the symbol drawing bullshit.

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I want to draw pin ups and i'm starting to learn anatomy and figure drawing. I also do 1 hour of drawabox exercices.
Should I also start with How to draw by Scott Robertson ? Or Can I start with it on my second year ? Is it that important for me ?

Thanks

>>2861500
Drawabox and Scott Robertson are exactly the same thing. Although no one here would know, because no one here has gone past lesson two.

>>2861446
Well obviously not my first. A while ago I followed a youtube tutorial but this is my first time drawing a person solo

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>>2859394
Hi /beg/ I'm a bit confused on where I should start. I've read the sticky and it seems to focus on actually drawing on paper, but I'm a poorfag when it comes to supplies and I only have a Wacom CTL-470 here but my goal is to get into digital art anyway, so is it alright to just do the same exercises in a digital medium and completely ignore pen and paper?
Also: I haven't used the tablet much but not looking at my hand and seeing the pen leave it's trail is kind of an issue to me, Does that happen to everyone? I ask because as I was young I got diagnosed with a Eye-Hand coordination issue and I was wondering if that could be part of the reason why it's so difficult for me to translate what I see in my imagination to the tablet. (this is not supposed to be an excuse, I firmly believe that this can be overcome with enough exercises but I'm still wondering)

tl;dr: where to start exactly for digital drawing without having really drawn before.

semi related: the most "art" things I've done are illustrator wallpapers which are basically just tracing and any child could do. (pic related)

>>2861536
The real question here is what do you want to be able to draw
Are you looking to draw cute anime girls

>>2861536
I seriously suggest learning on traditional media first. First of all you wouldn't have that coordination issue since you can see your hand. Second I think it's really important that you learn and understand how to draw shit before you try to do it with the added disconnect of a drawing pad and screen. At least try learning on both, but don't completely skip out on traditional.

>>2861536
>Also: I haven't used the tablet much but not looking at my hand and seeing the pen leave it's trail is kind of an issue to me
You mean leave the active area? It's perfectly ok, you're not used to the tablet yet and it'll keep happening for a while until you do. Once you get used to it your brain will be used to the active area size and keep your hand in the middle for any kind of drawing.

The tablet is kinda small though and I'd recommend you do to line practices on paper at the very least.

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Will my friends bully me if I showed them my drawings? I'd like to share what I've done, but not if it's laughably bad

>>2861549
If you don't have enough confidence to say it's good, then it probably isn't good.

>>2861549
Our friends are probably different, but my friends were pretty encouraging even when I showed them my piss poor art, that said none of them are artists.

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>>2861540
>what do you want to draw
Pic somewhat related I guess? Realistic/somewhat realistic drawings, Sci-Fi/fantasy related stuff all that. As probably obvious by the wallpaper I posted, I'm not "above" drawing weebshit but It's definitely not what I want to draw outside of "every now and then for funsies maybe"

>>2861545
Hmm.. That might be difficult to me, as I'm a bit of a poorfag but I kinda figured that it wouldn't be recommended to skip paper altogether

One thing I forget to mention: I'm bad at drawing myself but I'm quite good at perspective and spatial visualization which I guess are my only plus points.

>>2861547
No I mean It's an actual problem I had since a child that appears even if I look at what I'm doing. For instance: If you do something, like catching a ball, you do this by getting information of the ball with your eyes and sending that information to your arms to execute the right movements. Same with writing and basically any motoric function that you do. When I was younger doctors diagnosed that this function is somewhat impeded for me, but I don't actually know to which degree. (it isn't super obvious but it's there)

>>2861549
Like >>2861557
said, friends are usually bad for getting criticism because they tend to be encouraging and positive to a fault. You can show them anything above a stick figure and they will tell you how much they love it as most people want to be "supportive" and think that pointing out flaws is somehow discouraging and rude.

>>2861561
Is this for funsies or are you looking for hardcore I want to do this for a career kind of training

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>>2860815

same

>>2861565
As of now I mostly want to learn it for myself first. But as I'm a fucking NEET I wouldn't mind at all getting good enough to make it my job but I realize it would take a lot of daily practice

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>>2861567
me too

>>2861563
>>2861557
>>2861551
Soryy, I meant, are the drawings in pic related laughably bad? I know they're shit, but are they embarrassingly shit?

>>2861576
I'm serious, anon, if you are having doubts, then don't show them. It's not an ask other people thing, it's an ask yourself thing.

>>2861576
Bad is subjective mate.
Can you see what they're supposed to be?
Yes
Are they terrible?
No
Hell even in the ones you showed some are worse than others.
top left is pretty good, and a good start for sure, yet the lion in the down left corner of the middle pic looks like a fucking 5 year old drew it.
Just keep drawing and getting better and if you think your picture is good, show it to people. If you want your dick stroked show it to friends who will say it's good no matter what if you want some honest constructive feedback show it to other artists or even a critique threat.

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>>2861581
I hate defending against helpful criticism, but all of the drawings were referenced, and that lion looked silly in the original. maybe not as silly, but still. sorry, i really should've mentioned that they're referenced.

>>2861588
Aye but even in the original there is a bit more "depth" to it, I mean the very least you could have done was to fill in every other bit of the "mane" like in the reference.

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The better you get at this the more of the "wow" factor disappears. I'm afraid it might feel like a job in the end.

>>2861565
Are you still there?

>>2861601
>became the monster
How to change back

>>2859655
>>2859875
kys

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>Watching Proko's video on gesture
>Insists to us that we must only draw the gesture and not the contours
>Goes straight into drawing contours in his first example

Unless I'm not getting what a gesture is properly but isn't he just drawing the outsides of the legs? Isn't that the contour?

>>2861657
Don't question the teacher and just do as he says

Newfag with a (small) wacom here. I'm reading the improved sticky link in the OP and was wondering: What software should I use to start practising drawing? Photoshop is mentioned as the "everyone has it and it does pretty much everything" but I don't have the RAM or money (or pirate tools) so what do? Just use Sai instead? Anything recommended for use with a tablet?

I just got a tablet why the FUCK is this thing so goddamn hard to use? All the lines are shaky, I can't do shit about it.

Is drawabox actually any good?

Should I learn from Scott Robertson if I want to just draw anime characters? I do drawabox and study Hampton for now

>>2861678
>just

Welcome to the club. Try your best not to cry about it for a week or two and you'll get used to tablets.

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>>2861684
I don't cry until after I've had a catastrophic sperg rampage and the crying part is only for twenty minutes tyvm. I think I've got this. (I dont got this.)

>>2861675
Also: Is there a reason GIMP isn't mentioned? Is it looked down upon or something? Keep in mind I'm a newfag so I don't know the ins and outs about these things.

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i need to spend more time on hands

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>>2860390
>>2860529
This was a really helpful direction thanks

What do you think of the updated head?

>>2861500
honestly ... i picked up some shitty habits from how to draw books. The best books I had starting out were my moms anatomy books from her nursing program. Understanding the core of the body, how muscles work and what they are capable of is going to help you shit ton. Pin up is about drawing toned women in various poses, so know that muscles are going to flex when in various poses, know how to view bone structure as a geometric frame in which to place those muscles properly. It's a bitch ... but it's worth it.

>>2861536
you ... can't afford line paper and some ball point pens? Thats all it takes bare minimum. Line paper will help you draw your center line and put your reference angles in perspective while the ball point pen will help you make lighter gestural drawings/line weight and work with mistakes and attempting to make all strokes look consistent rather than perfect.

>>2861549
your friends can fuck off. Bottom right is your strongest here. Your line work isn't confident/consistent enough, use something more unforgiving like charcoal, pen, or soft pencil so you can learn to work with your mistake lines rather than trying to hide them with fuzzy line work. sketch sketch sketch. It is okay for your work to have a lot going on when you start out. Do gestural work so you can understand the shapes of what you are drawing before you add detail. Think of what you want to draw, then simplify it in your head, then draw that instead of starting with the line work and details.

>>2861701
noice!

one bad habit that was hard to quit after years of doodling ... figuring out how to fit a figure properly on a page so that it was centered and well proportioned. In other words ... planning. These studies are nice but they show a poor since of page use and over all composition. It is easier to cop out of drawing hands/feet/head when you don't promise yourself to trying to make a full figure every time. Just ... be careful.

Should I get some kind of easel or something for sketching? Is just using a flat surface fine?

>>2861707
Thank you! I was kind of deliberate in how much of the figure I intended to draw, but I do struggle with that.

I gained that bad habit from digital, if the figure/subject won't fit just resize canvas. Will work on!

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Advice tips I don't really know what I'm going for so far haven't gotten any decent advice. I'm not new to it I've drawn for a long time but just started really getting back into it. The one I'm posting is probably my favorite of all time. I need to get a better picture of it. At some point plus I think it's changed a little since this picture.

>>2861724
did you really have to post such a gigantic picture at a retarded angle like that?

>>2861725
Yeah it's 3 in the morning no pooter only picture.

>>2861724
Nice drawing, now you need to take basic photography courses c:

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>>2861735
Thanks! yeah and I know the picture is shit. I've been obsessed with it for the last two months so I just need to finish it so I don't think about it anymore.

>>2859916
>those gains within a week
If you can't make it then no one here will.

Do i just need more practice if whenever I draw something, it looks like shit the first time I attempt it but after like 20 minutes of erasing, looking at references etc it looks a lot better? It feels like luck if I will get it right or not, sometimes I just erase the entire thing then try to draw it again.

>>2861688
I think the disconnect between where you move your hand and where your eyes look trips up a lot of people. It's perfectly normal (as was the case for myself) and every 2-3 threads there's someone complaining of how unnatural it feels.

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Rate please and tell me how can i increase my line quality?

>>2861815
> increase my line quality
For figure drawing? Don't just copy the contour, but think about the gesture and construction behind it. I know it's tempting to start copying contours since you probably think the result looks better, but once you understand how the mechanics behind the human body work it will come to you a lot easier and you won't have to fully construct everything on paper by then (you'll still do it in your head)

If you want to increase your linework, stop thinking in outlines, but consider hard and soft edges. Look at the picture you referenced: The more bony areas of the body have hard edges, resulting in abrupt value changes. More fleshy or muscular areas have softer edges, resulting in a graduate change in value. Consider the plane changes, they determine the lineweight. Read Hampton's notes on "Economy of Line" for further information. (Figure Drawing Design and Invention Page 28/29)

I'd suggest you to start, like most people here, with practicing gesture. (I recommend you working through Hampton's book while using additional sources like Vilppu or even Proko)

Another approach would be precise measurement instead of the constructional approach. Your drawing is not too far off, I see that you looked at the reference, yet if you want to draw by measuring you have to pay even more attention to detail. Break the shapes down and draw what you see, including value areas. Also draw from life, it will teach you to convert 3D to 2D naturally. If you only copy 2D without a constructional approach you will only learn to copy photography.

I've drawn like 30 arbitrarily rotated freehand cubes and the angles always come out weird. How many cubes do I need to draw?

>>2861882
250

>>2861882
1000

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>>2861657
>trusting (((proko)))

>>2861702
A lot better - well done.

>>2861657
That's not gesture, gesture is the part he went through before he went on to draw the contours.

Think of it this way - structure are your forms, your building blocks, something you can touch. Gesture is the relationship between those forms, something you have to feel.

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>>2861678

Keep practising, it gets better. A month ago I hated my tablet so much, I made a vow to only use traditional, but some Anon convinced me to keep going and now I don't want to go back.

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I drawed this out of my mind. (Not finished)
Thoughts?

>>2861657
You're not getting it. That's is not the contour of the leg, but the gesture of the outer and inner thighs.

>>2861949
sticky

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mfw 7 stoopid 4 gestures

>>2861701
Small hips got a female and the breasts are a bit high, also made the chest far too large and sticking out too much with the breasts-breasts come off of the chest, they shouldnt be the chest

t. someone who is utter shit and cant do what you did

>>2861954
*for a female

>>2861952
What's your issue with it? The concept? Or the execution?

>>2861960
all of them im about to post my last batch of 50

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>>2861970
oopsz forgot to resize

daily reminder to bulli eric

>>2861978
plees do

>>2861970
They look pretty much like my first attempts at gesture. I'd suggest to just keep going, while reminding you of the most important aspects of gesture drawing: establishing line of action, CSI, asymmetry, balance. Once you get this down move on to landmarks and the major forms. It's worth to go back to gesture practice every once in a while. You'll notice a lot of concepts will be a lot clearer once you understand the process. Don't be disencouraged if it doesn't click immediately. It took me 3 months to get decent at gestures, so just take your time.

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Guys, I am doing gestures but taking like 5 minutes each to make sure I analyze it and understand it. Following's Hampton and Glenn's instructions.

Are these looking right?

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>>2859394
here's my first ever attempt to use a graphical tablet, should I start learning using a pencil?

>>2861987
looks like you are on the right track

>>2861992
>>2861987
actually shit, post more of that, i feel like its the kind of thing i should be doing.

>>2861993

Alright, I'll continue doing more and posting some. If you want to get the books and even the lessons that both authors have on the topics you can go to CGpeers (torrenting site) and get them, I think they open registration today, actually, and there's free leech right now!.

Just type their names and you should find the CGMA content.

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>>2861987
Those arrows drive me crazy, they break the flow. I thought you read Hampton?

Main problems:
- no understanding of line fluidety (pic related)
- while balance isn't off, your line of balance is incorrectly used
- while obviously aware of merits of asymmetry you don't put it to use in the gestures

I like your efforts with figuring out what's wrong and applying all those wrapping lines, but I think you'd be better off just getting a general feel for gesture. They're not that bad, I just think you're overdoing it.

>>2859394
What the fuck is this.

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>>2861999

Thanks for the advice, Anon. I am still experimenting with the flow of gestures and it's a bit confusing. I'll try slowing down a bit more and see if I can figure it out.

>good when copying from master's books
>back to shit again when on own
anyone else or just me?

>>2862003
charizard x leviator crossbreeding
didn't expect it to be in op's pic

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Here are some more tries, I still can't ''feel'' the flow. I guess I'll just keep going till I do

How can I improve ?

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How can I improve? *

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>>2859400
teach me how to do hair please

>>2862161
can't teach you hair, but I'd advice you on putting a spare piece of paper under your hand to prevent unwanted smudges

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done the 2 pages circle in planes from drawabox

Should I be really reading Keys to Drawing or is doing the projects enough?

>>2862207
try and make them all squares.
kind of dodges the point otherwise.

>>2862227
hmm ok
i thought i should experiment with it abit but if i should keep them normal i will do that next time

>>2862229
Naw, don't listen to that guy, drawabox says play with the square shapes, cause that's going to develop into perspective & boxes. Try getting your lines to start and end in the correct places. Circles don't look to circular. You may benefit from just doing a page of circles.

>>2862240
ok
i will return to the circles excercise

>>2862227
why are people like you allowed?

What's that book on shading I see here from time to time? It features statues of greek statues and stuff.

>>2862258
It's what makes this site good and what makes it bad. Everyone can speak. Everyone can be heard. The only censorship is self censorship.
Personally, I prefer people being wrong out loud. Makes people become right faster.
That or it increases degeneracy and shitposting, what do I know!

holy crap, started doing gestures for the first time today and started with 30 seconds one. shit is hard. all the wrong lines in all the wrong places

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wanna start schoolism. I'm disputing wheather to start with "Drawing Fundamentals with Thomas Fluharty" or "Introduction to Digital Painting with Andrew Hou". The fundamental one I only need half the lectures wheres in the digital one I could use them all. Which one first?

>>2859910
>>2859904
He's got a point. That whole
>Haven't painted since last year April cause my ex took up too much time
excuse blog post is asking for it. If you know your drawing is bad because of a long hiatus, don't post it up for "rating." Fix it.

where da new thread at

>>2861949
Don't draw out of your mind (yet)

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Decided to take sketching as a hobby, what should i focus on for my skill refinement?

>>2859793

>>2862552
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>>2859394
guys am I the next picasso?

>>2862321
this.