Piss and moan thread tell us all your woes and irritations /ic/

>avg
>skype
>non wacom tablet driver
>discord
>timemanic
>java

somebody please kill this op

art is really, really hard, and i don't feel like i'm improving and it makes me sad and mad

>no desk
>have to draw on the floor hunched over my sketchbook
>drool on my drawing like the slack-jawed mouthbreathing troglodyte I am
>for some reason think it's a good idea to remove the drool with my own tongue
>lick the paper and get a mouthful of ink

>be at lame day job talking to coworker
>"hay you know my draw buddie Anon! we went to art school together"
>"oh so you went to art school. whatareyougonnadowiththat?.txt"
>"er right now I guess I just draw t-shirts and i had a job doing some concept art for some film"
>"OH WHAT FILM"
>"huh? i dunno dude its just an indie film"
>like nigga why the fuck you think im workin at sears
>"so can you like show me something you drew"
>"yeah sure heres an illustration"
>show him something takes me like 10 hours to digitally paint
>"so its that like clip art or how did you draw that, was it already on the computer?"
>"noo..."
>"oh Anon's stuff is so good." (reffering to some photocopied movie poster shit)

>people asking what im going to do with my art degree
>feel bad for me when they find out i only draw some for money- like fuck you im getting paid to draw asshole thats pretty great
>people thinking digital painting is fucking CLIP ART or phototraced or a filter or something

>>2855133
um hello
winamp???
like fuck you at least I have some taste

>>2855140
kek
make a comic of this

>>2855141
I-is this my future, anon.
Please no.
I was supposed to make it.

>>2855145
ha don't worry anon, I'm still on the lowest bracket. I only get paid like 10 dollars an hour, that "concept art" job wasn't really what you'd think it'd be. I just graduated a couple months ago and I didn't go to le top tier art school or anything.

>>2855149
Sounding too closer to home there.
What's the next plan?
It gets better right?
How did you come upon this job?

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every gesture lesson i've come across has lost me and i can't draw figures because of it

>>2855126
I have like a year and a half to make it or be misserable the rest of my life.

>>2855157
The t-shirt job I only work enough to get like 100 bucks a week from and sometimes the guy just doesn't message me enough so its even less (this week its thirty)
The concept art job was kind of a lucky find
they were both through freelance websites

You can do it anon.

deliberate practice is super fucking hard and I can't focus at all

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>>2855126

>when your client approves of your rough sketch but then adds near the finish that it needs to be a certain angle which makes you have to redo the whole thing

I was used by a popular female artist to help her draw her webcomic because I was too big of a cuck to say no. She never gave me anything in return and that's mostly my fault.
What wasn't my fault was how, when she found out I liked her, she called me a creepy loser, bad mouthed me to her friends and turned some of our mutuals against me.

It's all I can do to not tell everyone about the weird ass fetish she's into and post all her racist drawings of her Korean friend.

>>2855140
that's actually really funny.

>>2855196
this times a fucking billion
if they're this dipshitted and arn't paying me much than i just tell them fuck you i dont need your money

>>2855126
my tablet finally bit the dust yesterday and i can't really afford to get a new one anytime soon
not being able to draw digitally is driving me fucking crazy

>>2855209
Go to the store and buy some cheap paint

>>2855196
Sometimes you can bullshit this with transform options. Especially if you're working in vectors. It works best with strictly vertical alterations

>>2855126
What is this on? Some kind of commissions website?

>>2855141
This is going to be the center of my fears. Right up until now, I wasn't worried if I was going to "make it" or not because this was exactly my fallback situation. Minimum wage job, art on the side. But now it just seems a little too.. Not satisfying. Huh.

My art teacher told me I could make it into CalArts, and I dropped out the following semester. I know I'll be good enough for an industry job soon, but I don't think I'll make my primary income from art. Which is really starting to hit me.. Idk, the business side of art is really flimsy, and not reliable. Hard work doesn't always give you success and that's rough to deal with.

>>2855219
Ya'll need to get fucking used to being poor
it ain't a big fucking deal

>>2855245
Thanks, totally thought it was a big deal. I'll just be super calm about it now. No problems or anything.

>Finally disciplined myself to draw a decent amount each day
>Constantly feel like I'm not using my drawing time to its fullest and that there's always a better way to study

>>2855142
Basic bitch talks like basic bitch. Surprise!

>>2855211
no you cant retard if i draw a character 3/4 its gonna stay 3/4

>>2855133
>>non wacom tablet driver
This is a very amateurish thing to say, haha. Doesn't matter what you use, it's how you use it, I have known professional artists who use tablets from Genius and Trust who create top quality work.

While I would recommend Wacom above their competitors, I wouldn't judge someone's ability based solely on which tablet they use.

>got into a habit of making decent (for me) finished work
>having art block
>practicing for up to 4 hours a day because that's all that the day allows
>"hey that's some gud practice"
>still feel like a miserable unproductive shitstain because i'm not making any finished pieces
>why

>>2855315
Because you're not making any finished pieces you dipshit

>>2855258
Nigger, I don't know what specific shit you're talking about. I said fucking sometimes you faggy amateur.
SOMETIMES you can adjust things in vector like background elements, to make for lower/higher perspectives. Shit, if you weren't such a fucking casual, you'd know that there's a shotload of shit you can do in post to adjust shit.
Yeah, in the situation that your mediocre 3/4 character abortion needs to be redrawn you have to redraw. But judging by your faggy response I'm gonna say you have to redraw your shitty roughs like twenty times anyway. God damn I'd hate to see what kind of abominations you shit out.

>>2855357
no nigger with any form of transformation you will ALWAYS have to redraw it, dumb bitch.

>>2855315
Why are you having artblock though? That's what you should be asking yourself. Is there something specific that you want to draw but feel obligated to do something else and it's making you sluggish? Is there something you want to draw but you're too embarrassed to try it? Do you think you're out of ideas (that kind of thinking can make you not have any ideas)? You need to determine first 'what' you want to draw. If it's something big, you need to just set a time to start it, sit down and work on it until it's done.
If you're out of ideas though, that's surprisingly the easiest thing to fix. Watch commercials. Look for something in them that gives you an idea. Read history books or mythology, lots of inspiring, interesting things happen in books. (And no, it's not plaigiarism to be inspired to, for example, draw a ballroom setting after reading the Great Gatsby or something.)

Keep your eyes open and look for things you can turn into an idea, write it down, and come back to your ideas list later.

These are my sisters and I haven't had art block in like ten years.

>>2855368
>Faggot not knowing shit about shit other than how to talk it

>>2855283
>I wouldn't judge someone's ability based solely on which tablet they use.

I wasn't judging his artist ability though now was I, Mr. assuming?

>tfw drawing doesn't attract girls
movies lied to me

>>2855398
it does, you just have to be at least moderately attractive as well

>>2855398
Not even.
I feel like I've attracted more girls than ever by drawing.
>be me
>drawing in public
>girl all surprised at an artist
>says it good and all that
Surprising, but also not what you really want. Like, shit I'm trying to focus here. I need to be able to draw this cute anime girl.

>>2855369
I think it's a lot of what you say. There are tons of things i want to draw but I ask myself "what if it doesn't turn out well?" or "what if you don't like it and you can't fix it?"
I understand that I should do it anyway because that's how people learn, both by trying and experimenting with new things and making "bad" art to learn from mistakes.
I suppose, like most of the time, its just a matter of sitting down and doing the work
But thank you anon, saved this

>>2855357

I was the guy you originally replied to. Yeah, I use the transformation tools a lot. In the situation I was thinking of the character was in a dramatic bird's eye perspective on a platform and then the client left out that we needed to see the underside of the platform, despite approving of the rough sketch which was very clearly in bird's eye view. So essentially he switched the view 180 degrees...

>>2855200
>into women
ur fault m8

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it feels like i'm stagnating and nothing i draw looks good. how the fuck do i get out of this?

>>2856006
By drawing more

>>2856006

It's called a plateau. Look it up. Skill improves incrementally, not in a smooth rising curve. You often get a bit worse just before you get better.

>>2855200
need to see these drawings, post em

>brushstrokes always look messy
>too pussy to work on a canvas beyond 3000 x 3000 pixels wide

>>2856160
>tfw just work on whatever canvas and don't even really know the difference
Get on my level

>>2855255
you're just jealous cause i'm hot and have hot artwork

>>2855200
fucking do it faggot
you won't

>>2855126
>want new stylization thread
>can't into photoshop for new thread image
>too biased to pick a new image
>waiting for a new one but it isnt coming
>work out frustration with tormented loli drawing knowing it wont be posted
>repeat

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>>2856167
>he works on an 3000 x 3000
>reduces image to 900 x 900 and submits to deviantart, tumblr etc.
>no 'hi res' version
>in 2015+2
Nigga please

>try to git gud
>want to die
>dont want to die until i git gud
>try to gid gud
repeat

>>2856882
It happens. Good thing is it's never usually both at the same time because one side is distracting the other for a while.

>chelsea156221 has followed you
>I prefer to chat on snapchat, add me at ...

I swear to fucking god, I get like three to five of these cunts a day sometimes.

>>2856882
same t b h

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>>2855126


>Be learning how to draw
>Hate myself because I am not learning music theory instead
>Be learning music theory
>Hate myself because I am not improving my draftmanship instead
Wow

>>2855126
>Get new followers
>They're all sexbots

JUST

>>2857573
I have this issue too. I won't be surprised if in future half of my followers turn out to be pornbots

Not really an art skills rant but.

>High school friend and I decide to try for art school in a different country. She's my roommate.

>High school friend got in and I didn't. But I decided to stay and work fast food to try again next semester. Also didn't want to ditch her in a new place by herself.

>First semester. High school friend skipped most of her classes, copied stuff for her homework from books or didn't hand the homework at all. We're Dutch and all she bitch about is that there are no Dutch speakers in the school and that "they don't get her art style" (animu). Somehow managed to piss off everyone in the class. Teachers failed her and she's about to flunk out of the school. Begged school for another chance. Went to most classes in January, already got bored and skipped by February.

TL;DR I'm salty as hell that roommate got into art school and she even doesn't attend class or do the assignments. Feels worried about shitty personalities in art school. I feel since I started living with her I just get so tired and depressed.

Listen I got a fucking problem.

People following me on instagram only to wait until i follow them back so they can unfollow me in return.

these cunt bag shit eating whores are just trying to get there followers ratio HIGHER than the following ratio so they look like they're some important piece of shieett. well niggaz i'll tell u now ur a bunch of fucking retard sad fucks with no talent.

stop following me on instagram if ur looking for validation u cunt whippet nerd. i only follow u bakc if ur skilled and got talent and ur a real person. Fucking jack off mongoloids can suck a fat horse cock and die.

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>>2857696
> follows people

>>2857691
I hope she's good at animu now.

>>2857697
what the hell is wrong with following other people?

>>2857705

>2010+7

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

>>2857771
sorry nobody knows what your talking about. I vaguely understand. can you please elaborate retard?

>>2857796

It's just a fucking joke, jesus. Why would there be anything wrong with following people? Do as you fucking wish, it's your life.

>>2855200
WHAT FETISH

I'm getting fucking pissed that apparently, being popular on Tumblr gives you a leg up on getting work in the animation industry now. Even fucking CalArts applications ask that you link your current art blog (Not a portfolio website).

The amount of web comic artists that have been given a job on a TV show with no prior experience or even a degree before me despite working in animated commercials and applying to studios and trying to buddy-buddy at animation festivals is really ticking me off.

>>2858480
source?

Money was the best and worst thing to ever happen to me. The first dollar I ever made I got a sense of security and felt like I had finally achieved something, and with that, I stopped doing anything but commissions and lost passion for art at all.

I wish it was two years ago, and I was still full of hope and dreams, now I'm just full of shit and cash.

I've got a lump on my arm. I fear it's cancerous and eventually gonna kill me. Luckily it's not on my dominant arm so I can still art without any discomfort, but I'm just waiting for it to spread or some bullshit. I have no insurance to pay for any treatment or anything so all I can do is wait.

I feel like I'm on a fucking timer to "get good" at art before I kick the bucket, or at least get good enough to die happy.

>Did a sketch upside down in my sketchbook

reeeeeee

>>2855126
>could draw well as a kid/teen, always got praised for it
>decided to go to college in STEM
>when I feel shitty and insecure, crawl back to doing art and showing it/posting it online for approval
>do it for the self esteem boost rather than genuinely wanting to do art

Don't get me wrong, I love my majors, and I still genuinely enjoy doodling, but the reward system of effortlessly drawing a cartoon and friends/senpai gushing over how amazing it is and how talented I am etc. etc. blah blah was definitely hardwired into my brain as a kid and it sucks that it so shallowly keeps popping up as an option for proving that I'm worth something

>>2858716
family* not senpai, lol
my senpai never praises me ;_;

>>2858616
>make patreon about it
>plz help am dying
> daily photos of the lumb
>some drawings with lumb people because there aren't enough lumb people in today's media.
> extra money for being girl

>>2858722
My father is all about the money: How will ANYTHING you do get you money? Start to learn a language? WHO CARES HOW THE FUCK WILL IT GET YOU MONEY?!
You like to draw and maybe study art?? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS ARTISTS ARE DIRT POOR!! You have a good happy stable life and still draw - YOU COULD WORK A SECOND JOB AND HAVE MORE MONEY!!

>Praise ....

>>2856013
Please tell me this is really true. Even if it isn't just lie too me.

>So low right now basic bitches spit at me

>>2858616
Go to the doctor you fuck

>muh money

Who gives a shit. Sadly given our fucked up healthcare system I can understand not going to the doctor for anything that isn't an emergency, but that sounds like something you really ought to get checked out.

>>2859174
>You own someone 100$
> You have a problem
>You own somone 1.000.000$
> They have a problem

>>2859174
anon they just said they have no money
assuming its an emergency, at best they end up with a huge debt and at worst they arent seen at all

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>>2858714

Test

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>complete beginner at figure drawing, really need to improve
>really afraid of starting figure drawing
>instead lay in bed for hours and worry

fucking
hell

>dropped out of college
>working as a server to pay bills
>work every day
>not enough time or energy to focus on my art
>feel like im wasting prime creative years
>make art on snapchat on the toilet as an outlet
this is the rest of my life huh

>>2857691
This is why you shouldn't rely on institutions and organizations on your success.

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>>2859177
Pretty much this

>>2859181
Money is important, but next to your life it's a mostly arbitrary thing. If you'd rather die than be in debt than you need to reassess your priorities, fambino. If you're poor already your quality of life won't even be affected much. Having $0 or having -$100,000 who cares, there isn't anything they can take from you that is worth more than your life, you goof. Go to the doctor before it's too late, figure out what if anything needs to be done, and then talk to a debt consolidator after the fact to help you make your payments.

>I'd rather die than not be able to get a home or vehicle loan

This is pretty much what you're saying right now. Even if you're burdened by incredible debt you will still be able to buy consumer goods and food as normal. You will be limited in some ways, yeah. Being in debt is awful but don't give it more power than it already has; you are not your bank account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3goXxaeksFY

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Everything is on a downward trend and it kind of sucks.

>>2857287
are you me???
except exchange 'draw' for 'computer science'

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>>2857287
>>2859275
i have sort of the same conundrum
>working in indie film industry as set designer/decorator
>like the creative aspect, but the work and the industry are horrendous
>"why am i wasting my time doing something i dont enjoy? i should be practicing cartooning, that was always my passion!"
>quit set design and start practicing my cartooning
>"why did i stop working in set design, i was good at it! im wasting my talents!"

>>2855126
So my comic's taking off. Success is luck based, yeah, but it's amazing just how luck based it's been. I got to make it. Not my harder working, more talented, incredibly creative and socially apt friends. Me.

I’m the one who gets to be the meat in the Alan Moore and Tracy J Butler eyes wide shut initiatory orgy sandwich. Every artist I’ve known and admired just gets to observe out through the outside window. Fuckin shit, dude, that’s sad.

Not that I’m saying I didn’t work hard for it, I did, but I didn’t commit my life to making art either. I’ve spent my entire life farting around and churning out dumb fun projects. I dunno. It bums me out.

Plus there are now people in my “fandom” (holy fuck I can’t believe that’s a thing I just said) that are trying to dig up dirt/‘receipts’ whatever on me. Holy fuck that is so creepy. Not that i have a particularly grisly past but I’m sure you can use something out of context to make me look bad.

So I made it. Definitely worth it! It's cool and surreal and terrifying all at once. I’m even going to be doing a con soon woo boy that’s gonna be weird. My people skills are rusty to say the least.

>>2859245
thats not what im saying anon. of course health above all but we really dont know the circumstances here. anon could end up homeless for gods sakes, or be in a country where you arent seen unless you can pay up
im just saying its not that simple, silly

(nice song btw)

>>2859323
that's really cool anon! a little off thread topic, but good for you. If you don't mind, would you be down to post work?

>>2859163
Yeah one reason I didn't pursue art was the money situation. I went to art school for high school and was pretty good, but 1). art colleges are a rip off, and 2). the market is so damn saturated with artists that a lot of the success in an art career comes from non-art things, like networking and being a good businessman. Arguable >50% of it, even. Seemed boring af, so I decided to do something else that I kind of liked that was actually in demand.
I still try to take commissions when I have free time, but that also honestly kinda sucks the fun out of it.

>>2859227
You need to make time and energy, bro

>>2859323
It's great that you made it anon, congrats! I too have dreamed of making it as a hugely popular (online) artist, raking in the dough, etc., but I decided to focus that kind of effort on "making it" in my real job (I just do art as a hobby).

>>2857573
same

some chick my friends know
>just graduated with a 4 year art degree
>her art is really bad compared to the level she should be at right now
>she still makes quite a bit of money off her paintings
>I want to post her art to ic really bad so you guys can see what I'm talking about but I don't want to turn her into a meme

>>2857573
>>2860000
>mfw not even sexbots bother to follow me

>>2859323
Are you the KSBD guy

>>2860005
if you don't draw fetishes they won't

>>2855141
I never understood this.
You should never have to justify pursuing your purpose.
Just remember, art is subjective and it TRULY does not matter what anyone else BUT your boss/art director/client thinks about your work. Followers won't pay you (unless patreon), so who gives a fuck what they think.

Also, normies respect realism unless you're a cartooning god.

>>2860004
Anon, just post a not-so recent image of hers, you got me curious now..

>>2860072
>BUT your boss/art director/client
Cuck.

>>2860004
POST IT

>>2860132
>Cuck
Have fun not getting paid

>>2859163
Triggered me good

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>>2860087
>>2860146
Someone commissioned this from her for 60 bucks. Maybe I'm just an asshole, but it doesn't look very good to me.

>>2861029
This looks very good, you asshole.

>>2861032
:-)

>>2855138

This.

I cleaned up my room and looked at my skecthbooks from last year, Dismayed to see myself at roughly the same level. Completely stagnate.

Really considering jumping off a bridge. I am too old to be running in place.

>>2861102
Sometimes it's hard for you to see your own improvements though. Maybe ask someone else if they could take a look.

>>2861102
>I cleaned up my room and looked at my skecthbooks from last year, Dismayed to see myself at roughly the same level. Completely stagnate.
Are you stagnant or have you just plateaued? The two arent the same, and Art isnt something where x amount of time will yield x amount of returns consistently.

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>>2861102
Couldnt find it at first, but it's relevant

>>2855140
hahaha
no man i feel ya i draw on the floor with basicly a piece of wood in my lap
my laptop is on a chair too

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>>2859275
>>2859298


We gotta find the way, Anons. I am saving money so I can pay for a music teacher, I can't leave one behind, I just can't.


You guys can't give up either, faggots.

>>2861274

Stagnate. Absolutely. I'm not good enough or at a level to plateau. I wish I plateaued. That would be an improvement.

>>2861172

Nah, man. My stuff is ugly beginner nonsense. It's at a stage where you wouldn't find a good thing to say about it. You'd be able to tell the difference if I managed to have gotten better somewhere along the line.

Thing is, I worked from about 8 am to 8 pm throughout that year. I don't even have an excuse that I didn't spend the time.

Went back to fundamentals, anatomy studies, the whole 9.

Anyway. Without being able to draw better, I got nothing. This is pretty much my last hurrah and it's not working out too well. Frustrating.

>>2857696
I fucking hate this,it always fucking happens I've been stuck at 309 followers for like 6months because of these piece of shit people

>>2861445
Why do you want more followers

>>2861447
I don't actually care THAT much I just really hate those kinds of people who follow and unfollow when you don't follow in return because their art is shit and they just want more followers

>>2861453

Ha ha, yeah. I love that expectation. As if they're not just going to unfollow you anyway even if you follow them back.

They suck.

>>2855126

Seriously, why are used wacom tablets so fucking expensive? Seriously, without a bit of searching, most of the tablets I've seen on sale for ebay are only like $4 less than msrp

I've seen people sell CINTIQ 12WXs for $500 fucking dollars, 13 HDs for around $1000s and gen 1 cintiq companions for almost 1500, getting close to the price of a new mobilestudio

Seriously fuck them, these sellers tend to be mac users, and mac users don't seem to think the value of their shit can ever go down because they are too high on the smell of their shit that they think everything they touch is suddenly worth more than MSRP

FUCK THEM AND KALE CUM STAINED WANNABE TUMBLR CAL ART ASS

>>2861472
>used wacom tablets
>expensive
>not just buying it regular price
Look, if you're too poor for wacom, probably shouldn't be getting into art anyways. It's like one paycheck.

>>2858480
IT'S CALLED NETWORKING VIA SOCIAL MEDIA RETARD

>>2861508
No, it's not.

>Implying that I need a Wacom to get into art

>>2861472
Thankfully, I found some used intuos3 for cheap, it seems like at one point, many studios just bought them in bulk and now are selling them off for cheap

9x12s only go for $100 and are better than any off brand shit

>>2855141

yep, digital will be always inferior than traditional, people are more amazed when you do art traditionally.

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I just want to play video games

>my ugly artwork get chosen as the main art
the ones i really really like get disregarded

then you see it everywhere
online, bookstores, banners, videos

The only thing I complain about art is

>not started before
>Not having a good guide or mentor.

Maybe sometimes I'm a douchebag, but the artists I have met IRL, were a special snowflake who can't draw for shit with zero fundamentals.

Maybe I might be better alone in this long journey.

>>2859323
oh god
gotta get out and do some dumb fun projects
save up before your luck gets dry

>>2861562
It feels like most artists you meet IRL were just naturally good or did they actually work their way up? Who knows, they won't reveal their secrets.

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>Boss asked what I do for fun
>Tell her I paint
>"Oh! what kind of painting do you do?"
>"I do digital"
>"Oh..." with a sort of confused look on her face
Such is life I guess

>>2861571

The good artist that I would love to be my mentors or getting help of them,they leave of my city and unfortunately I'm unemployed (I falled for the STEM meme), to even paid some private classes or tips. They get their knowledge from college and the other was trained decently in highschool from a trained artist.

And the other hand when I called snowflakes I was referring to hobbyist with zero fundamentals that believe there are awesome. Maybe I'm a douchebag and my skills are not that good, but I really hate this kind of people.

I hope I have a good redaction because I suck at english.

>>2855283
>This is a very amateurish thing to say, haha. Doesn't matter how big it is, it's how you use it
>I have known professional lovers who have small dicks who fuck top quality pussy.
>While I would recommend a big dick above a small one, I wouldn't judge someone's ability based solely on how big their dick is.
I don't know why I did that, it was a fun idea 30 seconds ago

>>2861316
>>2855140
desks aren't rly expensive. Even shitty ones will do. You guys are on the highway to permenant back injury. Why not get a desk? It should be a basic thing like pencil and paper. Draw on the dining table if you have to just don't draw on the floor hunched over like a caveman

>>2860072
>implying person in story thought of your shitty art degree as a purpose
rarely anybody does smething because "I FEEL ITS MY PURPOSE". they do it for the pay check that's why he/she naturally asked wtf he's gonna do with an art degree because it's well knows it means jack shit. To us and to normies. It's completely normal they assumed it wasn't anons grand purpose in life.

>>2861029
it sucks major ass, I did this kind of shit in middle school.
Bitch can't even into basic 3D space
>>2861032
liar

>>2861274
>>2861443
what's a plateu?

>>2861876
Period of time where little to no progress is being made, 'to spin one's wheel'.

>>2858616
Probably just a harmless epidermoid cyst. People get them all the time.

>>2861590
you should have responded with your subject matter not medium

>what do you do?
>I am writing books
>oh, what kind of books do you write?
>on keyboard
>oh...

>>2861919
So the difference in a platue and stagnation is in the case of a plateu you are trying and working hard and in the case of stagnation you are not? Did I understand this right?

>>2861590
she was clearly asking what style
were you to ashamed to say you draw seminaked animu girls?

>>2861957
i think its plateu is self-awareness, and stagnation may or may not be noticed and may or may not be fixed

>>2862035
yh I kinda get the general idea of a plateu now. I pray to god I reach a plateu rather than a phase of stagnation

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>>2859298
>beeing functional enough to work outside of minimum wage jobs

fucking normies

>>2861320
You are right, I feel that if I don't go with music, I will regret it for the rest of my life.
On the other hand, what I'm studying now will secure me a well payed job.
Fuck.

>>2862035

In that case, I'm plateauing. I went with "stagnation" because it sounded meaner and I like to add a little more shit on top of my own head because I'm literal shit.

The breadth of the problem is that I kept moving on, reading stuff, working and working on improving and didn't move an inch. In a whole year. I'm 32 now and doing all that and seeing no gains what so ever is really defeating.

Whatever. The problem is that I'm working wrong and making shit and doing shit entirely wrong. That's just all my fault on thinking I was on the right track when it was just a pleasant diversion.

>>2855126
I have to get drunk to fully appreciate my finished art.

>>2862041
its just what i think though, i could be wrong but it makes sense in most contexts.

>>2862236
realizing any bad habits and grilling yourself over them helps exceptionally. going back to even the simplest fundie exercise can help with that.
my friend can go from bad to pretty good if someones there grilling her the whole time to the point of being annoying. worth it.

>>2862350

That's exactly where I went: back to the fundies. Just like, I think I have them but I don't think I have them?

I don't like anything I make because it's all garbage. So I try to learn to not make garbage things. However, I'm learning and not doing so I'm not getting ahead. But then I'm also not actually drawing when I draw.

Kind of like, I forgot how to draw. Because now I'm trying to apply the things I learned. Only I can't draw the things I learned because I can't draw to begin with. In my opinion.

Anyway. I'm just confused and frustrated. Nothing is working out.

Whatever. Not everyone is cut out of this stuff. I've spent 20 years drawing and I can't make a basic webcomic.

What I need to learn is to move on and jump off a bridge. There's just limits, I guess.

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>all your woes

>had to take the year off to take therapy again, even ended up in the psych ward
>doesnt look like ill be going back to school anytime soon, currently a NEET
>still learning to pick up the pencil again without losing my mind
>everything i do is too embarrassing to show for crit
>all my friends are leaving me in the dust
im still a huge fucking failure but im the best ive ever been and thats pretty good.

>2855180
why that time slot?

>>2862368
your obv just not learning properly.
Do the fundamentals but DO them properly. As In do the draw a box 1-year course ALONG with the basic fundamental drawing books and do 1000 drawings of the same shit in perspective until you can do that perspective with your eyes closed if need be. WORK HARD YOU FAGGOT

>>2862433

No shit.

>>2862368
go even a step FURTHER back in fundies then. re-study things. do you know your weakest points?- focus on that. know your strong points?-warm up with that. try different things, everyone works differently.

>However, I'm learning and not doing so I'm not getting ahead. But then I'm also not actually drawing when I draw.
then do.

>Kind of like, I forgot how to draw
happens to me all the time, trying to work on that with studies

>theres just limits, i guess
yeah, if you give up so soon. remember plateus are temporary, and right before progress too. if anything you need to train your eyes more

you should post a old vs new pic here and see if others notice something you dont

>want to get good
>collect tutorials
>feel awesome for discovering the keys to unlocking creative potential
>addicted to collecting tutorials
>satisfied, go to bed
>achieved nothing
>feel shitty
>collect more tutorials

Not really irritation, but I've become disinterested and is still am growing apart from art. I feel like an old fart who can't connect anymore with the hobby and what people currently want, and I dont like the people around it (not the creators, but those I will have to draw for)
>tfw practiced hard for years to get to the level where I'm finally happy
>100 pushups, 100 situps, 10 km runs every single day
>"this is it!", start meeting and being associated with people I've never dreamed of
>feel ehh like an old fart

>>2862621
Right? New generation arise when?

>>2859183
are you also trying to become KJG?

>>2862636
>Oooh back in my old days!

It's not a case of millenials boomers goddamnit anon

>>2861526
Because every inked line has resolve in it, you need to think before you lay it down, and once its down thats it, there's no going back. Digital art has no feeling in it, you spam the same line over and over while mashing control z till it looks right, there's no resolve, no feeling in it.
Its not "cheating" like some idiots say, but it can barely be considered art.

>just an opinion, don't chimp out on me

>>2862766
What is "art"?

>>2855142

I deleted Winamp because Spacebar doesn't pause/unpase songs.

It's the universal button for pausing and unpausing!!!

>>2855126

>be 25yo neet starving third worlder
>life is hard even for the highly educated
>trying to draw now in hopes of fishing foreign money
>lots of inspiration but progress is painfully slow

I don't mind much of anything, but aways being hungry really sucks dick, and the more I draw, the hungrier I get. And it gets boring, ooh if it gets boring. I have to keep remebering myself to keep pushing and there's hardly any alternative.

>>2855140

Got a curved drawing table now and I wouldn't even try before because of back pains, you sound suicidal to me. That, or you have the willpower of a winner.

>Draw stupid joke picture of steve buscemi in 15 min
>Post on tumblr
>It gets over 13k notes
>Paint for 10+ hours on a piece
>Post on tumblr
>25 notes

Cool

>>2863214
The difference is only one of those people would actually pay for you art.

>have lot of free time but I don't know what to draw
>do the same as>>2862532 for a year
>after year is ended stop doing it
>now I have free time AND the inspiration, refs and tutorials for a few years even if i lost my internet

upgrading from my 80gb hdd is in top 10 best decisions I've made in life so far

>>2863287
>finally decide to try out tutorials
>realize half of them are shit
>attempt one
>realize it's harder than it actually looks
>give up and go back to drawing from imagination

>>2862766
you don't spam ctrl-z because you don't have resolve with your lines

I draw most of my time traditionally with brush pens, and when drawing digitally I don't lose my resolve, but I still have to, and I hate that i do, ctrl-z all the time because drawing with styluses feels like fucking with a rubber dick

>>2862766
desu you cant really compare a traditional medium and drawing on paper to a tablet and stylus. there's a good reason why people undo a line a thousand times. The tech still isn't good enough and it wont be for a while

>>2863289
>decide to try tutorials
>realize half of them are shit
>delete them
>now have only good ones and more space for ref images

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>applying to an art school in a couple of months
>the school's criteria goes up every year and it's very competitive
>everyone I know tells me they're confident I'll get in
>mfw their support just makes me think how I'll disappoint them in the end
</crybaby>

>>2855126
Are you actually qt though?
Where do qt artist girls hang out and how can I get a qt artist gf to paint with?

>>2864436
Hang out at art school. And you pretty much just need to look good and have a backstory.

I don't get this place. Sometimes I have the nicest and most fruitfull conversation and in the next second it's shit and piss all over me. You guys are the worst I love you. But fuck you.

>>2864444
What do you want to talk about senpai

>>2864445
Nothing just wanted to piss and moan. Really I love this place but sometimes I want to kill someone.

>>2863409
Same here. They raised up the GPA requirements because too many people wanted in which is stupid. It's a lot easier to get into the traditional side over the digital side.

>>2864446
If only we all had one ideology right senpai or perhaps it's because we have so many ideologies that we were able to get this far

>>2864444
This sums up my feelings as well.

>>2861029
I've got an old classmate who's at a similar level at 25y/o (I think he has actual assburgers), and he sells his diarrhoea for ~300-500.

I know this artist who has this bad habit of always drawing his girlfriend's in alot of his art when he is in a relationship. It always annoys the shit out of me because he gets his faggot weeb fanbase personally invested in the pairing he has made between them via his art, and when things go south and he breaks up with them (which always happens), he then gets upset and doesn't want the fans in his business. Thing is, he ALWAYS does this. He is currently on girlfriend number 4 or 5 and is doing the same thing.

Shouldn't there be a separation between your professional and personal career, even if it's more creative in this case? He has a Patreon and is clearly able to live off his works, I just don't understand why he would do this.

>can translate gesture and form really well from reference
>all gets lost and stiff when i try to make it more fleshed out and finished
why even live

>>2855126
I slowly realized that I hate drawing. I fucking hate it.
It's so frustrating failing at it. I feel like I have potential and I'd love to become a professional someday, but I really hate the process of getting gud.

Since I'm aware how difficult it is, I just can't finish anything. I've been sketching a few hours per day for weeks without finishing something, Simply because I don't like my work. Sometimes I don't even save what I did, even if I spent the whole night in it. Out of shame.
The worst thing is that lately I stopped drawing completely, but I still feel the need to draw somehow.

I don't know. Maybe the problem is that I took it more seriously than a hobby, because I didn't have this problem with music or skating in which I never wanted to be a pro. I just enjoyed being bad or didn't care about it at all.

I'm kinda plotting against my self here but I just can't stop. I just want to git gud, but the goodness never come. I've been stuck at the same shitty level for months.

I really hate people who can charge for shitty drawings, or give away for free horrible and mediocre drawings with a straight face. I just want to tell them how they suck and how they have no shame, but that would be stupid and mean. And somehow I'm really envious of them for finishing their shit. Because even if they suck, they have the proof that they are better than me, who can't even show a finished piece of shit.

>>2864756
>I really hate people who can charge for shitty drawings, or give away for free horrible and mediocre drawings with a straight face. I just want to tell them how they suck and how they have no shame, but that would be stupid and mean. And somehow I'm really envious of them for finishing their shit. Because even if they suck, they have the proof that they are better than me, who can't even show a finished piece of shit.

word.

>>2864738
i feel you, my shit always gets worse the more i work on it

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>>2864444
the quads speak truth

I am a scultor, and I am very interested in classical sculpture. I make this very clear, yet it is routine for people to suggest that I sculpt Fandom shit (like Overwatch characters or anime) and it grinds my gears.

I want to be taken seriously as a sculptor, and I feel as though that will not happen if my portfolio is rife with video game characters and anime shit.

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I'm so frustrated at my inability to come up with poses. It's not that I can't draw them, it's that nothing pops up in my head. I can't get an image of what I want. If I had an image of what I want, I could at least put it down on paper and then tweak it and fix it until it's anatomically correct. But I can't. My mind just goes blank. I end up using references, but I can't come up with anything original from my head, or I can't find a good reference for the pose I want, or I can't make it look interesting.
Do I just need to build up my mental library more/faster? Draw lots of different poses from reference and then it'll come to me naturally?

>>2865062
then sculpt whatever you want to sculpt, you don't owe anyone anything. If you're creating fanart for attention and likes then that's fine, but you can't complain about integrity if that's your choice. Your original sculptures might not get as much attention, but I bet they'll be way more interesting.

>>2865191
Pick a pose that interests you. What do you like? Dynamic action poses? Quiet, stationary ones? Study it, try to replicate it from imagination. It's much easier to draw it from your head if you're able to visualize it properly beforehand, and that crisp mental image comes from drawing it over and over again.

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>>2865191
Being an artist is being an actor too. All animators know this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E71aPcnG6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EN_d-0fczI

We have all the roles. Directing, editing, writing, compositing, set dressing ,etc etc.
Acting is not out of the question. Stand up out of your chair and act. You'll have so many poses and expressions that you won't know what to do with them.

I mean, if you were to write a comic about boxing or soccer you would need to practice those things. Looking through a monitor is not enough. You need to understand and feel before you can visualize. The people who animated Jurassic park actually tried running like dinosaurs to know the poses.

https://youtu.be/P9bKxRQfvs8?t=32m51s

Don't do it if you are going to draw porn however. Or you'll end up as a crazy trap humping the air and smiling to invisible men, just like me.....

>>2865219
This also applies to dialog.

I voice act every line I write.

You'll become amazed at how easily you can come up with dialog when you're actually acting it out.

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>outside /ic/
>feel like people aren't being honest

>inside /ic/
>people ignore me

I just want to make it

>>2865284
Be honest with yourself, Anon. You have standards. You have preferences. You have certain tastes. Strive to meet them. People say an artist is their worst critic, but they are filthy retarded normies. You're your best critic.

>>2866113
>People say an artist is their worst critic, but they are filthy retarded normies. You're your best critic.
praise it anon

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>>2864444
go fuck yourself you thin skinned asshole. never gonna make it.
:)

Not really about art but..I'm becoming increasing frustrated with not being able to find an art group that
>isn't hypersensitive to drama
>actually posts art and talks
>isn't massively large
>isn't a hugbox
>not overly memey
I just want art friends to draw together with

>>2866113
>>2866145
I am but whenever I have a problem, I don't know how to fix it.
I hate being so lazy

>tfw part of why you want to learn to draw is so you can have one single redeeming trait that approximates being attractive
kill me

>>2867690
You need to learn to fix your own problems. If you're stick on something, take a break from it and study that one thing for a while separately. Unless it's really your fundamentals, then do your best and go over them again.

It's how you learn fast because you'll be applying what you learn directly after. You'll also learn to solve your own problems instead of always needing someone breathing down your neck to point out all your problems for you.

>>2855245
Honestly though, I grew up poor, currently live below the poverty line, and just know how to work and navigate so life ain't so bad.

It makes my "poor artist woes" a little less overwhelming since I'm handling life fine as a poor kid, poor adult, turn poor art student.

>>2865217
>Your original sculptures might not get as much attention, but I bet they'll be way more interesting.

>not get as much attention
>they'll be way more interesting.

>Pleasing hipsters.

I hope people dont fall for this

>go to art museum with some aquaintances
>meet a nice girl who has a genuine interest in art and wants to learn the fundies
>take the same bus back
>ditch friends to sit with her and chat about art
>give her my email
>weeks pass and she hasn't contacted me
At least I got to recommend her Loomis. I hope she'll make it someday.

>>2868068
That was really sad for some reason. The Loomis line especially cemented in that sadness.

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>>2855126
>hey an artist I follow is streaming
>"I never seen her stream before could be fun"
>Oh her mic on
>Expecting to some plain or nerdy female voice
>Her voice is husky, mature and seductive and as fuck

FUCK. WHY GOD! NO BONER PLEASE NO. I DON'T WANT TO THINK OF MY FAVE ARTISTS AS SEXUAL CREATURES.

>Leaves stream and still thinking about sexy voice

>>2868131
A cake you say

>>2862766
If you use built in perspective tools that adjust your brush size and any copy and paste bollocks of your work I'd call it cheating. Been slowly forcing myself to use digital but it feels cheap when I know that if I fuck up I can undo it completely or move around parts with layers or cut/paste. Really unsatisfying since there are those cucks that rely on digital tools as a crutch without effort and digital work would be compared to them.

>>2855173
Dunno if this would help but here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs
As a science fag I know that someone who thinks linearly struggles with holistic thought and vice versa, makes analytical people struggle with following conventional art lessons.

>>2855173

Go to CGpeers, or The pirate bay and get yourself ''Analytical figure drawing'' part 1. It'll solve your issues very quickly.

>>2859245
When you have no money or insurance, going for a medical problem is incredibly expensive. Hundreds if it's literally nothing, thousands to hundreds of thousands if there is something. When you're trying to make enough money to not be homeless and to also be able to eat or even the possibility of staying in college, waiting to see if a problem gets severe to avoid being homeless is not a bad judgement call. If you've never been there then you don't get it of course, but if say $10 a week on food is all you can afford then the prospect of thousands of dollars for potentially nothing is immediately dismissed.

>>2859216
get some shit paper, printer paper for example. Find a reference online you like, try gesture drawings and the basics with the idea that you can just throw away the paper. Repeat multiple times.

>>2861029
The perspective is all fucked and I've no idea what's going on with those black streaks.

>>2855200
Just do it already, damn!

>>2861474
wow, don't fall off that high horse anon. Here I thought all that was needed was a pencil some paper and time.

>>2861859
Funny, im with ya brah

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>>2862768
what indeed

>>2864756
you got burnt out. Let me guess, you're going to school for this aren't you? Being forced to do something even if you love it turns it into shit. Take a break from it and do it again when you feel the urge to, not because you think you should.

>>2867701
>trait
its more a skill than trait
>approximates being attractive
it doesnt though. just adds to it. most of what makes you attractive is your character, then looks. everything else is bonus more or less

>>2861029
Damn, thats shitty

>>2861595
Your english is fine anon. And yeah I think most people here detest artists who think they're amazing when they're really not.
In my experience the people who make it to top tier levels, like Ruan Jia, JJ type levels, are always really modest because they're comparing themselves to the masters, not to whoever's around them.

>>2868131
Don't leave us hanging anon. Some of us have voice fetishes. Who's the artist?

>>2867410
same here t b h
some of the discords are ok and have nice people, but very few people post or even talk about art

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>>2868131
>ara ara~
that feel when no christmas cake art senpai

>>2869536
>implying a lot of anon here aren't christmas cakes

>>2869538
most ic anons are in their 20s
I joined a comfy weeb discord from another board though (not a) and it has at least 5 nice christmas cake girls
maybe anime milfs are the new cat ladies or something

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>>2855126
cant bring myself to finish any drawings because i like the sketchy look

>>2869539
>tfw remember that /s4s/ and /r9k/ have discord that may or may not be weeb

>Yfw marketing yourself is just as important as the skill level of the artist.
That is the fundemental rule why a fuckton of you d/ic/kheads won't make it. You have to SELL yourself as well. You can be fucking DaVinci but if you don't make a name for yourself you won't get anywhere.

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>>2859227
After two years of college, another month a year later, and dishwashing during all of it, it really did not feel like I would ever have the time.
Recently, decided to say fuck it to school as even though the profs said my work was great, it just wasn't working. One misstep and the next two weeks became unbearable. Wasn't worth forcing myself to graduate if it was just going to kill my interest in the topic. Started working full weeks dishwashing during the evening, and found a new job full time, with better hours and benefits. Starting this week and excited. I have that time to study and draw and whatever else now to fill in.
It ain't nowhere near what I would consider perfect, but it's a step. You can find yours, too. Keep on going.

>>2868750
>it doesnt though. just adds to it. most of what makes you attractive is your character, then looks. everything else is bonus more or less
yes but if I can't be attractive I can create attractive things

>Born with genetic disposition towards visual art (aka talent)
>Automatically better than all of my peers
>New concepts are understood and retained instantly
>Spend entire childhood and adolescence drawing passionately
>Get to high school
>Suddenly no longer the only artistic kid in school
>Art teachers are all hacks
>Have zero discipline for self-learning
>Just keep drawing Dragon Ball Z fanart
>No real improvements
>More driven and disciplined peers teach themselves
>Pull away from me
>Receive scholarships to art school
>My grades are too shitty to do anything
>Drop out of high school
>Spend years doing nothing
>Make concerted effort to educate myself
>Loomis, Scroto, Vilppu, etc
>Absorb all concepts easily
>Just like when I was a kid
>Work hard
>Eight hours a day of concentrated study
>After six months burn out
>Lose all motivation
>Lose all passion
>10 years since high school
>Facebook creep old art friends
>They're all working artists and designers
>I'm a virgin who lives in his Mom's house
>Remember in high school when they praised my detailed drawings of rock stars
>"Anon you're so good! I wish I could do that!"
>Now I am nothing

>Can't handle not being noticed by others
>Afraid if I advertise my stuff more I
turn into a meme
>Fuck why do I rely so much on other peoples opinions

>>2869723

Same. I've been trying to make up some time to get to a level where I could make one of my projects into a webcomic.

I'm 32 now and it is not going well at all.

But, luckily, I can always kill myself if it looks like it's not going to work out (like hot shit right now) in the next few months or couple of years. People underestimate how comforting that is.

>>2869905

I think you might be me.

I spent €600 on a motorized standing desk from Ikea that's completely fucked and won't raise up anymore. It's a problem almost everyone with it has but they won't do jack shit about it the Swedish pricks

>>2869875
good that you realize it. now cut that shit out. who cares what people think of your art??? be a meme, fuck it just create unapologetically.

>>2869974
That's so much easier said than done man. I always try to keep this mindset up "Who cares... it's just my hobby... enjoy it for creating it"... but then I find shit being reblogged 20k times and I can't comprehend why people like it so much and everyone ignores my bullshit - because I have a bad character and am a jealous af cuntlord.

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>tfw you forgot how to draw
JUST

>>2859323
Yeah being a pandering female on tumblr/da really pays

Just need to vent. Came to "art school" after two years off a high school thinking it'd be a chance to get to know people/ways of finding work. I'm not even half a year into my freshman semester and everything that could be going wrong is going wrong (I'm exaggerating, but it's just how I feel right now). Classes have strict syllabuses, so "wrong paper" or "wrong format" equals redoing/re-submissions, some classes are plain pointless (MLA writing classes), and alumni/faculty are actually a bunch of hacks who think they're artists (i.e. the "modern-blank-canva-on-wall-artists"). Honestly, it was advertised as something else but just - I wish I was back working part-time and learning on my own...

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> Unfortunately, healthy artistic environments are about as common as unicorns.

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How do fuck you stay consistent in drawing and studying shit? i just want to wake up and be like "oh man today im gonna draw some pure garbage!" but i cant even be bothered to fucking try some days. then when i do try it just looks like shit and i just wonder when the fuck im gonna improve. I know im not burnt out but god damn practicing every day is hard.

>>2872252
It's more about studying desu.
For example:
>been drawing every single day for commissions since either Oct. or Nov.
>I can do this since it's my main source of income
>have no time to study anatomy except for after drawing (mind you I draw for about 8-10 hours a day)
>suck at low angle heads
>commission I just did requires that for an 8ft character
>I NEED to study it NOW or else it's going to be a fucked commission
>today I slightly learned better anatomy
Hopefully the commissioner is happy. I really liked how it turned out.

As for what peeves me:
>oh hey! This commission will be EASY for you since I've commissioned you before and think your process looks easy
>BITCH THERES A REASON I DRAW FOR 8-10 HOURS A DAY AND IT TAKES ME 2DAYS TO COMPLETE A COMMISSION.
If they want a background though, it takes much longer.

>>2871008
I went to an open house recently at an art institute.
I learned that only 3/27 courses, just 3, were related to drawing in the art program there. Ffs
Never going to go.

>>2872268
Guess ill start double downing on books then. I was working my way through keys but i guess i can study other shit while i learn keys as well.

>>2872237
I'm German, I own this book and I didn't even know it got translated.

>>2872292
It's very important to learn fundamentals first.
I didn't and it took me a long time to draw a face properly.

>>2856890
i wish i could be the same

>>2872337
>tfw anon replies to your week old post and your life has turned to complete shit in the mean time
I wish I could be the same again too

I'm starting to get pretty okay at drawing/painting but my mental problems are getting worse. My insomnia is so bad that I never sleep or feel awake and I'm constantly having panic attacks. Hard to schedule in time to create things when I'm losing my mind.

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>Idolize james gurney for years
>he's just a tracer

fuck

>>2855126
I have come to the conclusion that a career in art is like having a Magikarp as your starter Pokemon and it doesn't even know Tackle.

>>2859163
Something I've learned is that any skill, once you're proficient, can earn you money. Maybe not a lot, but it can become a secondary income. In my case it was language. I decided to learn a language for fun, became fluent, and now I support myself with translation jobs online - but anyone looking at me initially would say I was just wasting my time with a stupid hobby.

The same applies to art - you're not going to earn anything initially, but once you're skilled? People will pay for your work. It might take years of effort before you get to that point, but if you keep at it that day will come. This won't get your father off your back, but it's something to keep in mind for your own motivation. Fuck everyone else, they're all idiots that want to conform to the safety of doing what is "normal" and have knee-jerk reactions to anything unusual. I still put up with that shit in regards to my own job and I've been doing it for years.

>>2872523
So you just gotta Splash in futility until you run out of energy, then Struggle your way through obstacles? Fucking deep, anon.

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>>2872500
Braking news: CARAVAGGIO WAS A TRACER.
He used a concave brass mirror, a large leather blanket and magnifying lenses to create what some believe to be the first dark chamber and reflected actors and montages from his studio directly in the canvas.
His biggest chalenges were paintings done outside his studio, but he could get models to rehearse the scene beforehand.

>>2872575
Is it really tracing if you can draw what you see perfectly anyways

>>2864447
try not being a dumb cunt

>>2873045
>be on /ic/
>not dumb

>>2872575
>implying you cannot see that this has a painters hand and isint simply copied.
Pleb.

Not gonna lie, the fake, commercial, money-hungry attitude some artists take on is extremely unappealing. I'm talking about when someone posts in an art group with a really disconnected "Hello~ Thanks for adding me to the group, here is my art. Commissions are $20 a piece, please pm me if you want something and we can talk." And never discuss anything else but selling their art. Like yeah I know you gotta advertise to get commissions, but when you have zero personality to your posts except "salesman" and prop up your pieces like items in a shop instead of works that you actually had fun with, it's just gross. Even worse when they sneak their shitty financial situation into the conversation. All of them have one. The most recent one I saw was "My cat got pregnant, I'm in DIRE need of commissions to go to the vet and pay rent." Please.

>was at a livestream just now where the person proclaimed to be doing requests
>she asked if I wanted anything
>I didn't really, but thought she was just looking for ideas, so I told her to draw some random character
>"Ok, that will be $10."
>What
And then she guilt trips me saying "I'm just trying to buy toilet paper." So why the fuck are you sitting on your ass doodling instead of working at some legit job??? Makes zero fucking sense.

I'm just mad because I'm an artist looking for some fun with fellow artists and a lot of them are just money-hungry robots.

>>2873260
Why do you hang around people like that?

>>2872523
>I have come to the conclusion that a career in art is like having a Magikarp as your starter Pokemon and it doesn't even know Tackle.
So you let other people do the work for you so you can take the credit and progress in life, eventually becoming an intimidating badass able to take on anything by yourself? You just blew my mind, anon.

>>2861859
I think erectile dysfunction with a mediocre dick would be a more proper analogy.
>Takes a lot of work just to get it up and functional
>when it does work it is fine, but it is bland underwhelming at best - can't always do the fun things that others can
>Doesn't take long before it stops working and you have to play with it again

>>2855140
My sides

>>2855126
All my friends in real life I ask for critiques from are worse than me, and wouldn't have any clue if I were making a mistake. Everyone in near all my kik groups are braindead stylefags that think my mistakes are part of my style, and because of that, aren't mistakes or some shit.

>be me
>don't plan to make a living out of art, just a hobby
>spend years painting for fun
>really enjoy it, massive motivation
>never quite fully satisfied because my work always feels like it isn't as great as it could
>learn about fundamentals and realize how bad I am
>try to improve ever since
>never been satisfied with any painting at all

They say ignorance is bliss, well sometimes I wish I could go back to being bad like I was.

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>>2868131
The only voice fetish-tier streamer I know is Nyx. If its not her, then who's the streamer anon, I need to know.

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spent 2 years of my life practicing in order to became a professional concept artist. never made it. Now I fix PCs and laptops for living, I am so busy with my current work I don't have any time left for drawing.

>>2869905
>But, luckily, I can always kill myself if it looks like it's not going to work out (like hot shit right now) in the next few months or couple of years. People underestimate how comforting that is.

Are you me?

I ordered 80 dollars in markers, and it's still "shipping info received."
I am paranoid about it.

>>2875184
Looking at your gallery you barely had any views. Not even an Artstation account.

>>2875184
keep going, i suggest doing the 30min a day challenge, thread here on /ic/
lavaflake.com

>>2869905
>But, luckily, I can always kill myself if it looks like it's not going to work out (like hot shit right now) in the next few months or couple of years. People underestimate how comforting that is.

That's literally my philosophy holyshit

>>2876367
>tfw people don't understand this

>>2869905
>>2876367
so you never kill yourself because you can almost always kill yourself later?
please dont kill yourself over something as retarded as failing to create a successful webcomic

>>2876449
>please dont kill yourself over something as retarded as failing to create a successful webcomic
How is it retarded? What is wrong with you? You must have quite a nice life to think so. Having been praised. Actually achieving things you're whole life. Bet people don't even tell you that it's not a worry and that you don't have to be the best.

>enter into art competition last year
>win the competition
>guy in second place has tons of support, people saying it was rigged ect people who i considered friends showing him support, almost no congradulations on my end from them
>big ego, always bragging online despite that people still feel sorry for him.
>okay.jpg
>enter again this year(its an annual thing)
>win again
>everyone says the same thing, rigged, no support again ect

it would have been nice to have a little more support/praise seeing as how i won. I didnt even announce that i won last year because i didn want to shame the guy that seemed to take it so seriously. i dont even dislike the guy despite his cockyness.

but yeah, fuck people.

>>2876468
Thanks for adding another thing to my list of fears, anon. I don't know how else to thank you more.

>>2876468
Entering elementary school art completions isn't very fair considering you're 30, and little Dexter cried for a good reason.

>>2876494
*competitions

>>2876494
i'm 22 and it was for an art festival. Also I was the youngest one.

I took a few years away from art to get a stable career to pay my bills enough to paint.

Career takes every fucking second of my time and leaves me exhausted. All I want to,do on time off is sleep and internet. Fuck.

>>2876497
I was joking, it just sounds like you're all in the same class and very young. Sort of how 10 year olds behave, very strange.

>>2876500
So it's not worth it and just stick to art even if you starve?

>>2876507
Maybe don't have a career that will take up most of your time.

You won't like starving either.

>>2876500
But painting is quite relaxing, if you can mindlessly browse the internet, surely you can mindlessly paint.

>>2876512
>Maybe don't have a career that will take up most of your time.
You say it like I can see what the future holds and choose the right one by having never done the career before.

>>2876513
I've been to job interviews and they tell you how much you'll have to work.

If you don't like where you're at, maybe quit your job and find another one. Work less. Masturbate more. And draw more. Happy life.

>>2876507
I tried as best I could, I lived with family and friends and being poor for a long time takes its toll. If you have to rely on someone else's income they always fuck with you eventually. Shit happens too, broken down cars, medical problems ect. One time a car him me on a bike.

I love art, but fir now I had to cave in and get a stable job. I'm not at an acceptable stopping point either. I'm 1 year or less from making 60 to 70k a year doing office work. Which is boring, but I could save enough to do an exit strategy and relax a bit. Now I spend weekends trying to study a but and move up the chain.

>>2876512
Painting can be relaxing, but I'm a perfectionist. So when I do good work, there can be some sweating and stress involved. It takes a lot of focus too and when you are doing calculations all day, fine tuned focus is the last thing you want to do.

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>>2855126
if that pic is you OP then I know that feel.

>relatively large following
>just want to stream so fans can watch
>guys always hop in and try to be smooth
>make the entire chat awkward
>get mad when I don't pay attention to them on a stream where i'm trying to draw

>>2868131
>use mic during streams so i could answer chat without having to stop drawing to type answers or join the conversation
>dudes start creeping because i sound cute apparently
>nope.avi
>dont use mic anymore

>commissions open
>okay with drawing anything, not bothered by content
>male clients act like they have a crush
>male clients always giving TMI
>male clients projecting their fetish onto me
>have amassed a few dedicated stalkers who can't take a hint or even an outright no

occasionally this happens
>guy gets invested in my art
>is decent, not creepy, friendly, genuinely likes the subject matter
>become casual friends
>as soon as they learn i'm not single, they fall off the face of the earth

>mfw just want to fuckin draw without having to deal with this shit
>if i were a dude this would be allowed
>female artists always treated as girls first, artists second

t. sperg magnet

>>2876538
This is why anonymity is the internet's greatest gift

>>2864436
>Are you actually qt though?
>Where do qt artist girls hang out and how can I get a qt artist gf to paint with?

Check Livestreaming sites Picarto and start multistreaming

i drew porn before i decided to go to school where I did nothing but draw architecture/machines and 3D model for a year and a half, now i've forgotten how to draw porn and it's the worst feeling ever.

>>2876538
Your problem is that you aren't bothered by content, that means your fans are gonna be the kind of people that request weird shit, and probably be complete autists because of it

>>2876902
So, what kind of content doesn't attract complete autists?

>>2876904
Nerdy fandoms and Fetishes

>>2876920
Anime is pretty nerdy and is pretty much ingrained fetishes already.

>>2876538
wow that's pretty bad.

I feel like people look down upon me, I've had nightmares where my art idols tell me I suck.

>>2855126
>Getting older
>Getting old
>Running out of time to make it
>Afraid I'll die unfulfilled

I wish I hadn't pissed away my youth

>>2855133
the fuck you said about discord

>>2876904
Real life portraits (human or pet)
Landscapes
Interior design
architecture
vehicles

>>2876920
stop