Art Software General

>>2853121
Why is opencanvas, corel painter, firealpaca, and mypaint left off of there? Are you some kind of racist?

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>>2853124
Nigga I ain't got all day! Just because it's not in my bait pic doesn't mean you can't talk about it.

I'll start this thread with some gripes I have with software from my own experience. Maybe if we all bitch loud and often enough someone will come along with the perfect software eventually.

>Photoshop

-Can only "undo" (ctrl-z) once

"stepping back" (ctrl-shift-z) not only undoes the previous action, but undoes everything else you may have done between strokes, too. Did you switch between tools, change your brush shape and/or make a new layer before laying down a stroke you aren't particularly proud of? Well you better erase it manually or remember to hit ctrl+Z which is practically worthless in every other context faggot, or else it's back to square one.

-Pressing "delete" deletes the entire layer instead of just its content

-Animation tools are retarded

>Krita

-Tons of brushes
-They're all shit
-Requires a super computer to run (poorly)
-Crashes (constantly)
-Probably autosaves after every stroke or something
-Muh "120.12385 pixel" brush (fuck off)

>Flash/Animate

-The drawing tools that were bad 15 years ago...today!
-Graphic symbols are functionally identical to MovieClips except they can't have filters applied to them. What the fuck is the point of them even existing?

>ToonBoom

-If you use a texture brush for sketching you won't be able to see your onion skin layers worth dick

That's about all I've got, but I wanna hear niggas talkin' mad shit about software up in this b*tch, gnomesaiyan?

>>2853138
>gnomesaiyan

Oh -_- it's YOU again. Funny how I have a sneaking suspicion. Get a tripcode, onegai.

>photoshop

Bullshit, have to optimize it so brush doesn't lag.
-shit at lineart
-monthly sub$cription, leg locked in Adojews embrace
>my paint
infinite canvas (cool), great for gesture drawing
shit for everything else
>corel painter
bugs when zooming
no vector support/pain in the butt to preform a simple vector action like stroke
cannot transform until you make it a layer
selection is cumbersome
layer property is gay / auto change to gelmode for certain tools when gelmode makes the appearance of some brushes look worse
+great blending
+great painting capability
+one of the best brush engine
>sai
-limited modes
-no perspective tools
+great, lightweight simple painting program
+supported by weebs/plenty of documentation if you know where to look (and know Japanese)
-shit alone without photoshop's support for final touches
>clip studio paint
complex UI but intuitive for interactive touch displays, ideal when you get over learning curve
+great perspective tools
+brush engine comparable to painters if not probably almost better (maybe? yeah?)
+downloadable content from community without paying unlike Adojew and Corel
+one time purchase update 4 lyfe
+superior painting, sai replacement
-lacking PS features like filters
-text can be somewhat shit than PS
>mspaint
superior sketching program better than anything I've ever used for 1px drawings how will the rest ever compete?

>>2853145
>superior sketching program better than anything I've ever used for 1px drawings how will the rest ever compete?

I've heard good things about Graphics Gale but I've never used it myself.

>>2853147
never heard of it...
>cnet downloads
yeah nope

>Photoshop
-Can't remap keys to numpad for some reason. For a leftie, that's quite bad.

>>2853152
Really? Damn, I've used photosop for years and I never knew.

>>2853138
>Graphic symbols are functionally identical to MovieClips
For optimisation purposes symbols are better. So if you creating complex project you should use them as often as you can instead of clips. If you do not need clips functionality of course.

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New to CSP pls no bully

How do I use them materials as brushes? it says they're to be used as brush tip but dragging it to the brush menu doesn't work, and I don't see anything in brush properties to change that

I'm probably missing something really simple

>>2853161
I might be behind on this, but the last time I tried, you were not allowed to reassign any hotkeys without ctrl+ or other modifier either.

>>2853165

You change the whatever function (circle lets say) to "material" in brush tip then go down the list.

>>2853162
What's the difference? I would have to imagine it's a fraction of a kilobyte but I guess I don't know. Nonetheless I suppose that's something I guess.

is that actually sai's logo? I have to stop using this shit now jesus christ

>>2853169
are you clinically stupid?

>>2853169
What's wrong with SAI?

>>2853175
Nothing. I just hate furries

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>>2853169
i bait u lol

>>2853179

haha epic trolle anonymouse :-)

>>2853168
It is more for a games, and main optimisation is in processing power and rendering, not storage. Meaning higher fps. Although currently if you need quality optimisation(especially for mobile) you should use rasterization and spritemap techniques.

You can go without optimisation for cartoons, but if you targeting web, i would advise you to minimize usage of filters, because they are huge detriment to fps. Using less movieclips helps, but not that much.

But you should focus on functionality or visuals first, and only if you unsatisfied with performance, should you worry about optimisation. Because you can bog down in technical stuff.

Best wishes.

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Will they ever finish SAI 2?

>>2853188
Nō

>>2853188
The preview version is updated each month. It-s pretty stable.

>>2853186
Thank you for the very erudite explanation anon

>main optimisation is in processing power and rendering, not storage

Yeah I felt pretty dumb about that post the instant I submitted it-I figured as much. Cheers

Medibang Guys? Anyone?

>>2853196

Medibang? More like Me did bang your mom lol !

>>2853196

Yup, Medibang is great for a free software thats actually decent. Comes with a lot of hang system layouts and features.

I use Photoshop primarily for classes and medibang to assist in detailing.

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>>2853200
DAAAAAAMN!

>>2853194
Sometimes storage optimisation is more important. Like for example it was for banner production (damn I hate those cancerous animated ads). So your assumption was pretty rational.

>>2853138
>>Photoshop
>-Can only "undo" (ctrl-z) once
Wait, what? I'm confused. You're saying you can't press it more than twice to go back multiple strokes? No way.

>>2853152
I always looked like a chuuni doing a weird pose when drawing on my lap with my left hand and my right hand on ctrl z

>>2853215
You press ctrl z to undo whatever you just did, if you press it again you 'undo the undo'

>>2853226

You can, like, set step backward to ctrl+z instead, like, have you thought of that?

>Photoshop

+ industry standard
- you can't reassign half of hotkeys
nuff said

>Paintstorm studio

+ awesome brush engine
+ flexible and customizable UI
- minimum other functions (like SAI)

>Krita

+ very good brush engine (a few actually)
+ a lots of functions, tools and filters
+ a ton of little handy things
+ good animation tools (? I'm don't use it so I'm not sure)
+ pretty good at line art (but again I'm not sure)
+ free and work on linux
+ pretty fast development
- lack of tutorials
- complex and sometimes confusing UI at first time
- lags if you draw with HUGE brushes (but most of the time you don't and there is also Instant preview)
Also a lot of good things under development like stacked brushes (better version of double brushes), python scripting, better vector tools, more animation tools, etc.

>>2853138
>They're all shit
There is a couple good ones

>Requires a super computer to run (poorly)
Big and complex brushes are slow but there is Instant preview if you want to paint BIG.

>Crashes (constantly)
What the fuck are you doing with it. It runs super stable for me, crashes maybe once per month and I never lose more than 10min of work.

>>2853230
Step backwards is tedious, although you can use Alt Gr + Z for it.

My hunch is that the single undo-redo thing was for photo manipulation, to quickly check the effect of a change you made (like color adjustments). And it's a vestige in these days of adjustment layers and such.
Kinda related did they finally discover the middle mouse on the mouse and put pan in it?

>>2853236
Tedious how? You are remapping the key to the one you want.

>>2853238
There's a principle in software development to provide good defaults, so it's not the first step of the user after install to change it.

>>2853230

I actually just tested it out and for some reason it seems like I don't have the problem I was referring to in theis post >>2853138 on my work copy of PS CS5 as I do at home. Could be a setting discrepancy or perhaps more likely I've been mistaken all along-but I swear that I would say, make two strokes on a new layer, "step backwards" twice to try and start over and it would delete the layer I created as well which is a nuisance. I'll have to look into it.

>>2853236
>tedious

I mean, I don't like having to hold alt either but it's not that big of a deal-I might just be having brain problems as far as what my real beef with step backwards is.

>>2853252
I personally really dislike, when I have to reach for alt with my pen-holding (left) hand. That's why I was glad that you can actually use Alt Gr + Z.
But now I realized, that my non-us keyboard has Z and Y swapped, so it is quite a finger-yoga to execute a ctrl+alt+z. Yeah, it's quite less tiresome, if you have your Z right above alt.

>>2853252
Also, my usual leftie setup in Krita:
Numpad:
7,8 - Undo, redo
9 - Eraser
4,6 - Rotate canvas, 5 - reset rotation
1,2 - Brush size +-
3 - Swap FG/BG color
Ins - Select layer
Enter: Pan
* - Isolate layer
/ - Show color picker
+- - Zoom

ctrl+Ins - New layer
ctrl+del - Delete layer
pgUP, pgDwn - Move up/down among the layers
ctrl+pgUP, pgDwn - Move the layer up-down
ctlr+Enter - Rename layer

I kept these as they were:
ctrl + LMB/Pen - pick color
alt Gr + LMB/Pen - Pick color from current layer
shift+LMB - brush size
RMB - quick menu

I played around with them for a while, but in the end the nice thing is that I can do most things with these, without having to refocus much on the UI during painting.

>>2853273
If I were you I'd use free rotation mode to save one button and use that button for swap to previous preset.

>>2853226
>>2853230
It's ctrl + alt + z

>>2853284
Might try it, but I would most likely put different commands there. I rarely use the preset switching keys, I tend to pick my brushes from the quick menu, visually.

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So what are the differences between Clip Studio Paint Pro and EX? Am I missing out on much if I just use Pro?

tfw no one here actually knows when it comes to differentiating programs, s m h t b h f a m

>>2853360
So?

>>2853360
>writing an essay for free

no

>>2853336
Doesn't it say on the website tho?

>>2853365
Why bother bringing it up then?

>>2853369
Yes, but I'm asking people with personal experience what their takes on it are.

Reading off a list of specs doesn't always give you a vivid image.

>>2853378

bullet points are faster to convey condensed information

>>2853244
Okay? What are good defaults for Photoshop? For a novice user they're fine because they're mapped to keys in a mnemonic way. For advanced users they're shit because they're too far apart, you're better off remapping them into an arbitrary numpad-like configuration where everything you use is in the same region of the keyboard.

One is good, so is the other, just for different people.

Here's a principle for you: if you use a configurable tool enough that its default configuration is a bother to you the problem is with you for not reconfiguring it. Duh.

>>2853415
Having one step undo instead of step backwards on ctrl+Z in Photoshop isn't a good default these days in my opinion, since most operations that would really need comparison can be done in non-destructive ways.
Especially if you count in that all other Adobe programs have proper undo on ctrl + Z. And in like all other software that has undo. Hell, even Windows Explorer uses it.

Sure, I usually customize keyboard shortcuts in some programs, but also I don't want to do it if I can help it. But you are right, I should have already remapped it, but whatever, I try to avoid PS if I can for my work, because lots of tiny things like this.

>>2853145
>shit for everything else
that is a bit harsh, sure it doesn't offer as many tools as photoshop does but I have used it for a long time now for both sketches and finished illustrations, I really like how simple the UI looks and how the brush engine works. mypaint is a great program if you give it a chance.

>>2853215
ctrl+alt+z is replaced ctrl+z in ps

>>2853178
I highly doubt that Sai actually has a pony for a mascot and logo.

Redpill me on FireAlpaca

>>2854475
See
>>2851095

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>>2854535
>ad supported

>>2854475
same shit as medibang

>>2853235
>Paintstorm studio
How is this the first time I've heard about this, it looks like a software combining Krita and Clip Studio together and their demo reel gave me a solid erection. It's a shame it doesn't support Linux.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUReniLyqw

>>2854645
shit, went to their site. its cheap to, at least compared to clip

>>2853273
Do you only use the numpad side of your keyboard for shortcuts?

>>2854645
holy fuck my art boner. that gap fill thing and those combined brushes are just a godsend

this is like the best mixbreed of SAI and medibang (hot damn that snap to perspective affecting the custom brushes)

>>2854645
Does it have animation tho?

Adobe PS:
+ industry standard
- eats up RAM like crazy

Sai: Haven't installed this in a while
+ lightweight
+ rotate tool
- Last time I used it, there was a canvas limit

Adobe Animate:
- Actionscript 2.0 is obsolete forcing me to relearn everything

>>2853121

What's with the pony in the Sai Icon? Did the bronies take over the software or what?

>Wasting time worrying over different software instead of cramming in more fundie hours


Totally not good

>>2857783
>>2853169
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest, Bronies are contemporary renaissance men and the curvaceous rump of the cartoon equine is both their canvas and muse.

All of the greatest artists, musicians and writers active today in their early 20s and younger have that unrequited yearning for extra-dimensional horsepussy in common. This tragically impossible romance guides their every action on their path towards mastery in their chosen craft, and emboldens them to take risks and push themselves to improve. I've seen a pony's ass rendered with such exquisite artistic sensitivity and attention to detail that it would make Rembrandt weep.

the Brony fandom is a cultural phenomenon that won't soon be repeated. Since Twilight Sparkle first trotted her way into Ponyville 6 years and 4 months ago there has never been an individual intellectual property that's garnered as much support from creative young people.

You might be quick to judge a man for wanting nothing more in his heart than to have an abnormally small, colorful horse to sit square on his face and wiggle around a little, but that's why so many bronies have made it to an abnormally high level at such a young age while you're still struggling in vain to draw misshapen anime titties.

>>2857791
fucking this holy shit

>>2854645
Call me a pleb but some of those features like the auto perspective resizing of the brush and the glimmer effects of the shooting stars just feels like cheating to me. Might check it out though.

Does anyone use gimp to draw here?

FireAlpaca is pretty comfy and light, but I still need to learn how to use it better.
At the moment I'm in love with CSP for all it's convenient stuff, like the vector layers, and those nice blenders.

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>>2858673
>mfw to become good at art I have to self myself out and paint cartoon pastel horsy pussy

I don't want this

>>2858673
>you might be quick to judge a man for wanting nothing more in his heart than to have an abnormally small, colorful horse to sit square on his face and wiggle around a little
kek

>>2858728
Almost nobody wants that, that's why it's such a goldmine, dummy.
Millions of artists draw heterosexual vanilla porn, if that's what you want as well, you'll have to compete with all of them for customers.

>>2853121
I got a new CS2 cd in a storage I bought, if I install it will it run fine on windows 8 and an intuous 4 or will adobe's jewery fuck me over with incompatible drivers and shit?

>>2854645
Thanks for this Anon. Time to say bye bye to SAI.

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>been using SAI for basically all art for the past 5 years
>know exactly how it works, it's easy as fuck to use
>most of the main features i need
>NO FUCKING TEXT
>NO EDITING CAPABILITIES WHATSOEVER
>R E N D E R I N G

i have CS6 but it don't like the interface at all for some reason. probably autism. i also hate the lack of a built-in stabilizer and none of the lazy nezumi cracks ive tried have worked.

i'm really shit at figuring out programs like photoshop because they feel a lot more technical and clunky than the straight-forward interface of sai.

i have krita and firealpaca but haven't used either, how do they compare to sai?

>>2859689
photoshop can do a lot but the trade off is you have to learn how to use it.

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>>2859692
at this point i'm probably just going to have to start watching photoshop tutorial videos. i don't really want to abandon sai completely though.

also, another thing i've been wanting to learn is how to put text over a finished image (sort of like pic related). i have a lot of ideas and want to make templates for reference sheets which photoshop would obviously be good for but i don't know where to start. is there a good tutorial for the more technical aspects of photoshop somewhere?

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>>2853145
>sai
>-no perspective tools

Mirroring question from the animation thread.
Suggestions for ipad pro? I'm using it as a budget cintiq.

>>2859736
wow thats an impressive 2 point perspective building, never seen that b4 woooooooow

>>2853121
dat sai pony
>>2853138
the only thing I can agree with you is the animations tools in photoshop, the rest are things that you can easily fix, edit with a few minutes of google research.

>>2854645
That looks pretty good for only 20 dollary-doos.

>>2859579
I'm in the same boat as you, but I want to get better before I leave SAI. I've seen some pretty great shit made with it, and I've told myself I'm not leaving until I can also do great shit in SAI.

>>2859705
no idea man, whenever i want to do something i google how to do it and use whatever tutorial is out there. I'm not really a digital artist I just use Photoshop because I used it before to do basic photo edits so I'm used to the more basic features.

>>2854645
so far it feels nice enough, but uses twice as much memory as SAI, not sure how stable it'll be if you like to use shitton of layers

>>2855095
Mostly, at least for painting. I'm left handed, so everything on the left side of the keyboard is inconvenient, that's why I mapped the most used stuff to the numpad area.

Admittedly I'm a bit of an exception, since I use the mouse with my right hand (can't even use it with my left really), so for non-painting stuff, I'm quite comfortable with the other shortcuts.

>>2853138
>Can only "undo" (ctrl-z) once
this is fucking false what the fuck

>>2860088
Nice. It took them a while.
Did they finaly discover the middle mouse button?

Is there a hotkey to return to the previously used tool in CSP? If there is I can't find it.

>>2859736
New SAI UI looks fat as fuck.

I really want to replace SAI with something else. It sucks massively. Specially how it handles brushes/pressure.

But it has like one single function with I love: it lets me set the B key on a pencil the V key on an eraser and so I can just toggle between the two of them instantly.

Every other fucking drawing program has some retarded hotkey for that like CTRL+SHIFT+123 and ALT+SHIFT+123 to save brush like wtf. And their massively retarded cockgagging brush editors don't fucking have a lightweight pallete.

It takes a fucking second just to see the brushes because every fucking brush has to have its own fucking icon. Organizing them is a hassle, can't set hotkeys, over-encumbered lag. It feels like every fucking program does this EXCEPT sai.

wtf is wrong /ic/? Am I wrong to want a hotkey for my eraser brush? And just move them around the palette to change what brush is what hotkay? Or do people actually use only one single hotkey for one single brush always, limitted to 10 hotkeys applciation-wide? OR WORSE DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE A KEY THAT DOES "ERASER" MODE OR SOME SHIT SO YOU HAVE A PENCIL THAT ERASES PENCIL???

help me

>>2861007
In CPS you just press C to turn your current tool into an eraser version of itself, press C again to return to color.

how the fuck do you install sai 2 brushes

>>2861811
nevermind I'm retarded

>>2861083
Holy shit, thanks! Never knew that and it'll be incredibly helpful

Ive been using corel painter for over a year and maybe Im just retarded, but why does watercolour dry slower when you let go of the brush? I know I can go into layer commands and make it dry instantly, but that skips having the paint seep into the canvas and spread out.

>>2862136

The "real" watercolor in painter is a meme. Actually anything with "real" attached to the variant is a meme and inferior to the digital counterpart.

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>>2859736
>sai 2 includes many needed tools, such as text and perspective tools
>40% of the screen is dedicated to the toolbars, making it look really crowded and annoying
The only reason why I haven't made the jump from Sai to Sai2 desu

>>2862178

get better resolution monitor

Is sketchbook pro actually good?

>>2862472

The best perspective tools out of any program ever and the easiest program to pick up if going digital for the first time. It's great to use if you have a tablet or any input device with a screen, otherwise you're gay and using it wrong. The name sketchbook in pro implies digital sketchbook and should mimic and treat it as such.

>>2862485
You mean for it to be great I'll have to dish out dosh for a cintiq or alternatives?

>>2862488

It's great without one but it feels more natural to have a screen tablet for it in my experience. The feeling of running your hand on the rulers over the canvas like a real ruler and able to scale feels more natural. Without a cintiq like tablet it kinda feels meh, but that's just me.

>>2862526
I see. Hopefully I'll save for one for next year then.

opencanvas is the best for me.

+ultra fast and lightweight
+perspective tool
+not overcomplicated
+infinite undo
+speedpaint playback (entire history from blank canvas)
no shit
-not for people who's madly in love with their texture brushes
-not for people who bitch about features they never even use

PS
+ Brushes lot of brushes
+ Standard interface
- huge as fuuark
- can redo only once

CSP
+ light
+ Handy
+ good at line work
- i don't know

csp is tool for me

>>2865098
>- can redo only once

Step back and step forward.

>>2865098
>PS
>can redo only once

Did you at least try to find information about it?
It's Ctrl+Alt+Z. If you don't like it, you can open history tab and undo mistakes.

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>>2865134
shiet why i didn't figure out that..
thanks

>>2865134
>>2865129
>>2865098
not only that but you can go into the perfomance tab and change the amount of times you can undo like up to 30 - 50

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>>2865147
nvm you can make it even higher, but it takes up a bit of ram tho

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>>2853121
For now I don't use any program to paint on computer, I just use the ancient photofiltre 7 to adjust contrast/saturation/etc of my scanned drawings.

But when I get a tablet I plan on using azpainter. azpainter is a free light program that run on any toaster, the lines are great (as good or better than sai), comes with screentones as default (which I personally love) and it has soft light layer that I haven't seen in any program besides PS.

I would suggest everyone that owns a toaster that run photoshop poorly to give this program a chance. The only bad thing about it is that as far I know you can't make custom brushes with textures and such (maybe in your point of view isn't a problem).

What does /ic/ think of walkingmelon's art? I love the way she draws and paints and her blending is just amazing, I love how she takes so many colors and makes them blend seamlessly. She uses adobe elements 11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTHWSyc8X6s

Example, yes its undertale, just ignore the content of the image.

>>2865147
>>2865134
This, also, if you use "E" for eraser and "B" for brush you should bind Ctrl+Alt+Z to "F1"

>>2865227
Can I open psd files in this?

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>>2865238
I downloaded a very random psd file just to test and the answer is yes. I picked a "light" file, I don't know if it will work with a "big" file. The program is light and you can easily download it. Give a try with your PSDs. Hope it works for you.

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>>2865249
update: I found a painting file and tried to open it on azpainter and it looks fine.

Original pic: http://juhupainting.deviantart.com/art/Shroomscape-418538702

>>2865249
>>2865263
Nice. I'll try it, because sometimes I want to draw something and use screentones, it's seems fun.

>>2865095
What version you use?

If your software can't mix blue and yellow on the canvas to get green, then it's not worth shit.

>>2853121
I appreciate the containment thread, op

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help a beginner of digital painting, if you will. what do you guys prefer, artrage 5 or manga studio 5 (aka clip studio paint)? pros and cons of each? im looking for a painterly feel, and my art is stylized so im not exactly aiming for super realistic coloring, if that helps.

>>2866473
or corel painter, might i add

>>2866473
Just try out the free trials and see which one you like.

I have tried artrage and it's probably not what you want. I know Sinix uses painter and he uses some pretty cool brushed

>>2861007
you're literally retarded. every art program has bindable keys to brush and erase. how you missed this is because you're literally retarded.

Photoshop
B - Brush
E - eraser

Painter
B - Brush
N - Eraser

Krita
B - Brush
E - Turns brush into eraser mode

A monkey could have figured all of this shit out by pressing the keys and seeing what happens, but I guess you're literally retarded.

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>>2865230
>walkingmelon
>I love eating shit
>generic low quality Deviant Art trash
she draws like shit, she paints like shit,her blending is shit, her rendering is shit.

She only has a basic grasp on art, and only ever shits out bad speedpaints that ive seen someone under 30 mins do better in Daily Spit Paint. Try someone who isn't off a website thats full to the brim with praising mediocrity.
The only reason shes popular is because she panders to whats trendy for underage DA faggots. There's many better artists on gumroad and pixv.

>>2867730
Proof mypaint is superior:
myPaint
E - TOGGLE eraser
E- Brush (when on erase mode)

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Krita's eraser key is also a toggle.