/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2848511

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Yea son

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Any crucial mistakes?

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>>2848541
focus on negative spaces - it may appear to be a big deal here or whatever but in things like figure studies it'll be more apparant. aka less guessing and more going back to your ref and measuring

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>>2848513
~25 mins, eyes ?

>>2848548
Oh, thank you , will focus on this more.

>>2848541

sorry but the whole thing. i mean i like your drawing but its not a good copy. your circles arent circles and they arent the right size.

>>2848511

>Made it to the thread cover...

>Major motivation boost achieved.

>You guys are awesome.

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>>2848573
just remember that it's not always a good thing

>>2848573

>I'm doing the rest of her today.

>>2848577
Someone better be saving all these, some of them are hilarious.

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>>2848577
mother of fucking mary, holy shit

>>2848577

Didn't assume it was, just motivating to see something of mine reposted... It has flaws and strengths, and there's a long way to go yet.

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After doing some studying, I think I've improved a little.

>>2848573
It's now my goal to get into the OP.

>>2848605
Then let's see the studies you did.

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Trying to lie head in perspective,hard as hell.

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>>2847506
Still work in progress

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>>2848626
And also tried to recover anatomy from memory, doesn't work either

>>2848631
>>2848626
something as complex as the human figure (from imagination, out of all things) should not be the priority here

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>>2848626
Well, after a little practice I got to the point where head looks much real and "right". Time to practice figures

>>2848631
also, since you're not super familiar with perspective, get an actual strait edge and build the perspective instead of guessing it.

>>2848631
Perspective distorts pretty fucking badly when your point of perspective is close, aka inside the paper.

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Working on paper and then scanning/taking a photo of it doesn't work out for me, so I guess I'd rather buy something like Wacom Cintiq and start to work directly digitaly. Maybe will find a freelance work as an artist after. Anyway, this is my work today, will sleep and start to draw again.

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>>2848513
welp, at least i tried i guess

the more i pay attention to value, the more i make mistake on them damn (and lineart is getting more and more awful dammit)...

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Not very proud

>>2848726
why not? I'd be somewhat content to draw that well

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>>2848512
>An attempt was made.jpg

>>2848726

Values on head and neck are very good.

>>2848726
aw, but it's fairly nice
you're trying

>>2848726
The form definitely reads (aside from a couple places like the side of the head where values that should be separated get a little bit blended together) but you simply didn't capture the likeness. Like at all. The most prominent features are thick eyebrows and somewhat big eyes that weren't depicted in yours. I don't know what to say other than notice what makes a person unique - don't necessarily exaggerate those things but keep them in mind more. Nice one tho!

>>2848731
have better taste (i.e. not /beg/)

>>2848734
Ok, looking at the thumbnail I realized I made his face way too thin.
Looks like spending most of my time drawing qt grills has fucked up my perception.

>>2848661
Don't even think about getting a Cintiq, that would just be a huge waste of money. Plus a Cintiq won't make any better, in fact it will probably make you worse because you are just no used to it..for now just do your exercises on Paper.
You are improving, just do what /ic/ tells you and what books we recommend and you will be good in no time, and after you got over the basic..you can than invest in a Medium Sized, or even just a Small Tablet.

>>2848726
Looks great, but as the other anon said you didn't capture the likeness. It looks much younger

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>>2848734
Ok, this is as far as I'll take this turd.

I want to draw but I'm too scared that I'll do a bad job. How do I get over this crippling fear of drawing?

>>2848792
by drawing

>>2848792
>scared of doing a bad job
>crippling fear
Shit man, maybe sign up for counseling sessions to work on that PTSD?

>>2848792
By not caring about the result. Allow yourself to make mistakes. You dont have a reputation to live up to.

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HELP

>>2848807
>>2848823
He better draw good or I'll fucking break his jaw

>>2848515
i was always so jealous that he got to fuck that russian chick.

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>>2848522

What are my biggest noob errors in construction please?

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Would push it further to be more accurate, but going to call it done for now.

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Still a major WIP.... 1/3

Fine details are very difficult on small scale, and errors are amplified significantly.

I can't keep a point sharp enough to distinguish the features.

Just basic construction. No references this time.

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>>2848900

2/3

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>>2848900
>>2848902

3/3

Still a major WIP... Stuck, taking a break.

About 40 minutes in.

Slow going. Not good at this yet.

Input appreciated.

I need to do many many more of these.

And a harder pencil.

>>2848904

The fucked up eye on the right is the light reflecting off the graphite...

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>>2848512
Well I tried and it's a fucking turd and I hate myself for trying. Holy shit I can't stop symbol drawing, spent a shitty hour learning nothing

>>2848987
Try two more hours

>>2848988
2 more hours of drawing other shit, or 2 hours polishing that turd?

>>2848990
Polishing.

>>2848990
dont polish, he's trolling you.
if you really want to do it properly. do an hour of loomis head construction, a few minutes each.
then try some more heads from reference, 10 mins each.

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I kind of struggle to see the benefit of this particular exercise.

>>2849011
Loomis is too advanced for me. I can't draw good enough circles and my bloops or whatever they're called are awful. Should I do KtD first?

>>2849048
You should fix your one drawing. Quality over quantity. 100 hours spent on drawing is better than 100 hour spent on 100 drawings.

>>2849053
this is fucking awful advice. stop trolling the beginners, they might not understand you are joking.

>>2849048
idk what bloops mean, KTD is a fine read. use a compass if you need to for now. you should be able to do loomis heads before portraits.

>>2848831
I remember you from last thread. Where are your new and varied head drawings, anon?

Or did you not want to improve?

>>2848831
I'm not sure if your paper is just super thicc or your scanner is amazing.

>>2848513
>skin has impurities that don't allow for smooth rendering
How the hell am I suppose to do this then? Do I need to go in and put them myself or just leave it smooth?

>>2849097
You can do whatever the fuck you want, it's your drawing.

>>2849105
Are there are no fucking rules to this?

>>2849107
As long as you're happy with what you've made, no, it's fucking art you dumbass.
Unless you're going for hyper realism or something.

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>>2848988
ok i polished it for another hour. what now? more polishing?

>>2849115
Good, you catch on quick. Keep at it.

>>2849110
I thought /ic/ wanted you to go full blown hyper realism all the time, every time or else you won't learn.

how much time am I supposed to be spending studying/drawing a single model? I'm going through the line of action site doing ten minute exercises, but when I try to go through the whole process of measuring, gesture, construction, and then modeling planes, I run out of time, get anxious, and then it comes out like shit

>>2849141
As much time as it takes for it to not come out like shit. Quality over quantity.

>>2849145
fucking end yourself.
dont bring that shit here.
there are honest beginners who honestly want to work hard and improve. this isnt the place for your infantile games

>>2849135
Hyper realism is unnecessary, as long as you can show a good understanding of form and light in your studies you're good enough to leave this place and start pursuing whatever appeals to your tastes.
For example, your aim could be being able to draw something similar the image on the right in >>2848868 and that would be perfectly acceptable.

>>2849156
Also, it's a fucking study m8, just focus on what you're trying to learn.

>>2848514
Isnt this that one hot chick from misfits?

>>2849155
whoa, not even him, but this seems like a huge overreaction. What did he even say that was so terrible?

>>2848630
Don't use a "foliage" brush. It's so fuckin notacble. Study some landscape painting.

>>2849141

Warning, I'm a beginner too, but I'm happy with my rate of progress and I'm not stuck in a rut yet.

Start small, both in scope and scale.

I started with 20-minute drawings. Study them hard, find your mistakes, move on.

When you can't finish in your allotted time anymore, double it and keep working.

Don't spend hours polishing turds to a mirror sheen.

Depends on what you want to draw.

20, 40, 90 is enough for my stylized cartoon shit, but you might need less or more depending on what you're chasing.

I picked my initial 20-minute limit by timing a scibbly drawing straight out of a tutorial to 80% completion.

>>2848904
That shoulder is way dislocated, the backpack straps look like they cut into her armpits. The legs are ok but that torso/hip is super elongated.

Also those arms are way to fat to be hers.

On the bright side... I can tell it's a women!

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Tried still life drawing of a vase. I'm not sure how to render something clear though, any tips?

>>2849183

Fair, thanks. I see it.

Trouble with the shoulder is it moves with the arm...along some sort of arc... and I don't know how to locate it properly. I pushed both of them out too far...? I think....? The arms ended up huge but shrinking any dimension makes them look... Wrong... Which means they don't attach in the right place... I think...

They're not backpack straps, they're the straps for the unfinished shoulder holster there... Which would be clear... If I had actually finished it. Still, the top edges are not right...

>>2849237

>vase


...


>VASE

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>>2849237
>vase

>>2849237
Shade the glossy texture of the vase and use a kneaded eraser for the highlight to make it more 3D.

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>>2849262
Like this?

>>2849286
Not close.

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how horrifying

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>>2848513
>>2848515
>>2848521

>>2849295
how horrifying it is not to read the sticky

>>2849301
Your figure drawing is pretty good looking but those portraits are fucking disgusting

>>2849304
L

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Just some quick sketches.

>>2849317
Beginners shouldn't be doing quick sketches and posting them. Quality over quantity.

>>2849320
THATS WRONG GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

is there a good building/vehicle database?

>>2849317
>quick sketches

>>2849302
they took ten min each anon the skull is there it's just very bad

>>2849334
>Ten mins on those POSs

You're rushing too much, do some studies instead of wasting time drawing ugly shit.

>>2849337
what he needs to do is loomis

>>2848866
The top half of her body looks like its about to break off from the bottom half, pay attention to center of balance when constructing

>tfw you're literally too retarded to learn how to use Photoshop

>>2849349
Yeah I was like that a week ago too anon, then I hovered over all the tools and now I know which one is the brush. I even know the shortcut for brush. And I all use is the brush. But before that I had to google how to use photoshop, took me like ten minutes. If you don't know, google.

Is there anything I need to know before attempting a color study?

If not, I'm just going to eye it and maybe color pick when I really need to.

>>2849355
First you must be able to accurately draw in gray scale.

>>2849365
Define "accurately"

>>2849369
You can pick the right values

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I've been reading Loomis and it's been helping my proportions, but do these look right?

>>2849372
Holy fuck this sucks, you need some Keys to Drawing before jumping to Loomis m8.

>>2849372
I'm impressed you've already found your style anon. I never fail to know it's you because of your lines. Those do not look right, but you're close enough, so who cares. Close Loomis and get to drawing figures. There's no time to be comfort zoning for weeks, get to the real stuff.

>>2849378
Thanks for the reply Anon. I'll start figure drawing right away.

>>2849371
Depends on the lighting. So probably? How does that relate to color anyways?

>>2849382
its flat and the proportions are bollocks. keep at it though, nice lines, its a good start

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What are some good infographics/reference materials on drawing realistic faces?

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I'm sorry for the silliest question ever, but it's been awhile since i've last used photoshop, and it seems I was using a brush I liked a lot but I don't remember which one it was

When I right click with the brush it shows the list of my brushes but it doesn't highlight the one I'm using

How can I tell which one from the list is the one I'm using?

>>2849395
The sticky has a whole section on references. Check it out. Also, looking at youtube and tutorials. There's tons of them, just look for them. Looking at life is good too. Use a mirror and do your own face. The most important part to getting a face to look real is the eyes. They capture the essence of a person's face.

>>2849396
The brush likely has a texture and shape, just match it up, anon. How hard can that be?

>>2849398
Thanks mate.

>>2849395
there's this book called 'drawing on the right side of the brain'

>>2849406
This book is really good, the author supplies an example in the beginning in which normal people were taught how to draw a good portrait within 3 days by going through her workshop and learning how to draw.

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Quick little sketch. https://youtu.be/WFx7VqYuGhc
>tfw Shia has lost his fucking mind
>arrested for attacking someone who supports him

>>2848577
hmm, just for uhh, sciences sake, is the one from the last beginner thread in the good or bad category?

>>2849467
that just represents "beginner effort"

>>2849295
you would be great at sketching for the police.

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How long after you stopped doing anime and tried realism did you realize that you were never going to make it?

Pic related.

>>2848767
please dont ever draw spaghetti scribbles for hair. lol. also learn about asaro heads it will help u

>>2849047
try it out and see if you benefit. it's to be able to draw freeform/distinguish between interior and exterior and draw along the contours/indicate texture and materials along the contours. im pretty sure its about drawing through a basic shape which a lot of people seriously lack

>>2849317
you are symbol drawing like crazy, lol . do you think that features lay flat on the face? have you ever seen a face look like that? you're drawing a circle, not a sphere for your construction, try drawing basic shapes and stuff just to get a sense of how volumes work

>>2849493
I recommend you move on from still lifes and start doing value studies of actual things like people, vehicles, etc.

>>2849396
Make sure you've got your brush window open so you can hover your cursor over the different brush options and you can read their names. You can also go to your preset manager to your brushes then reorder them. I only use 5 brushes because it's too hard to remember all of them and I'm still getting used to PS myself.

Is that Denise Milani btw? I used to love her, I have yellow fever these days though.

>>2849486
I alternate drawing both.

>>2849494
Thank you, this was going to be my last basic form study before going to more complex things. I was really aiming for darker values because I kept lacking those in previous attempts.

>>2849493
Thanks to the anon that recommended I learn about ambient occlusion, it helped a lot and made organizing values really easy.

>>2849486
Like a minute after I tried to draw anime using realism principles and realized they're completely different and you have to go study stylization.

>>2849504
>Thanks to the anon that recommended I learn about ambient occlusion, it helped a lot and made organizing values really easy.
What did you learn?

>>2849508
To keep midtones on a separate layer from the darker values. It was a headache trying to juggle both, because I would lay in a dark then mess it up and make it lighter/ruin the edge to the shadow shape and had to keep refining. When on separate layers they are much less of a hassle to deal with, they were a lot less time consuming this time because of it.

>>2849467
I think it was a good effort. Needs work obviously but isn't a joke picture.

Anyone got some tips for keeping proportions when painting? When I block it, it always feels too big, but other wise it will feel too small if I decrease my brush size. Should I just leave it small because maybe my eyes are messing with me?

>>2849085
Oh! I'll do them today; thanks for reminding me to go in that direction

>>2849087
Scanner is amazing

I'm having a mental breakdown trying to make a good enough circle for a Loomis head. Why am I so retarded?

>>2849538
Stay zoomed out and look at your navigator from time to time, make sure to flip your canvas once you feel you're used to the image and don't forget to measure the body in head units. Always have references, too, but that pretty much goes without saying. Are you constructing the body with lines or are you going in starting with brush strokes? The latter is more for someone very experienced with a good foundation.

>>2849546
It's not you, it's Loomis. I got stuck at that dumb draw a circle shit too. Fuck it and go actually draw from photos. Fuck Loomis.

>>2849546
>Lol im litterally going CRAzy trying to draw a circle :3...XD why is art so HARD?! >.<;---------
#artlife

just draw a circle it doesn't matter. If you're feeling to insecure, use a compass

>>2849546
Just practice straight lines in different directions to strengthen your drawing muscles and then curve the lines then try again.

Helps if you lock your wrist and move your arm to draw, wrist drawing is only for writing and details.

>>2849546
it doesn't need to be perfect, he states so in his books. You can get a compass or trace a bottle cap if you're too OCD about it. I personally draw the circle then refine it until it's good enough if I didn't get it right the first time. I draw with my shoulder btw.

>>2849547
I do a general outline then block in. It's just quicker to block in after that point.

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>>2848511

I don't know if I should post this in the sketchbook thread. I didn't really do any studies today. Just doodled and drew from imagination. I think my head construction is getting better though. What do you guys think?

>>2849586
Definitely better. Keep going at it.

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i don't think i get it

i dont really have a lot of experience mixing skin colors with goauche. is it worth going forward with this one? there either too much orange or too much red as is

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forgot the pic

>>2849612
Keep going, keep refining. Push as far as you can. It's not like you can't recover.

>>2849613
ok ill do that then thanks

>>2849619
Holy shit, how are you so good? Teach me your ways senpai.

>>2848577
>>2848583
This shit here is why I don't share my art.
I'm far too scared of the bullying that will come when I post it.

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>>2848517
advice, bros? :c

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>>2849640
Are you admitting that you're afraid of critique?

I was in that thread. Not only is he an outlier of what it means to be a beginner, but people actually helped him since it didn't seem that he was messing around or baiting. Some guy even redlined him and explained why measuring is important. No matter what skill level you are, you're always going to be able to improve. Are you against improvement? Are you a terrorist? The people poking fun are probably /beg/ as well so why not say fuck it and piss into a sea of piss?

At the end of the day you'll be forgotten until you post something else anyway.

>>2849642
>Are you admitting that you're afraid of critique?
Yes. How do I get over this?

>>2849650
By posting your work and getting it called shit and accepting that's the truth.

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how's the composition?

>>2849651
Oh...

>>2849640
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eqwrUUAMrdY

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>>2849650
you wanna go down the path of improvement or go down this path while people tell you you're so le talented

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Am I Loomis yet?

>>2849663
Much more creative than when I was doing Loomis

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>>2849663
Lol. Those noses tho! Keep at it!

I like you, kid!

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Alrightfriends. This is my first post in /ic/
Tell me what ya think. Drapery is so hard to draw. Any tips?

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>>2849689
There's not much to critique since it's pretty bottom of the barrel. Literally everything is symbol drawn, but that's to be expected. Since you're on day 1 drapery shouldn't even be at the top of your list.

I'm not sure how seriously you take art, but in any case, the way to go from here is to give the sticky a read and absorb what it tells you. After doing that and giving things like Keys to Drawing (or possibly Drawabox) a go-through, you'll really know if drawing is what you want to do or not. The art grind is hellish and unforgiving at times, so there's no better time to get started than now. Godspeed.

>>2849653
fucking niggers, tell me its shit

>>2849640
I don't share my art cause I know it's crap

>>2849694
not /beg/

>>2849689
Your drawing's shit but your smiles made me feel good

>>2849694
Above the wing the composition is fine, below it it feels like you were just desperate to fill it. Did you do the bottom side second?

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>>2849640
you can't possibly be worse than me anon

Please remember to eat healthy and diversively to help you concentrate on your studies!

>>2849586
lower your eyes in general so that the noses are shorter and the forehead is taller

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my first OC

>>2849317
i know everyone is hating on you but I am a big fan of your art and legitimately believe the others are simply not at a level to grasp your skill.

I im not saying this ironically either. Just keep going I legitimately believe theres is a breakthrough very close to your reach.

>>2849721
It looks like a wet suit sticking to his skin, think about the thickness and material of your armor. Draw even what you don't see, in exemple draw the full ellipse for is collar so that you will note it's not possible. Same for almost all your ellipses.
Trim this cowlick which is not battle friendly.

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>>2848577
mfw when I've gotten worse

>>2849766
You haven't gotten worse, you just never stopped symbol drawing.

Practice drawing and shading 3D forms at many angles (sphere, cone, cylinder, cubes). After that you really need to start thinking of everything you draw that way. Your work will improve.

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>>2849669
>>2849675
More loomis.
Holy shit there's a jump in the difficulty when he get's more realistic/into more detailed construction,

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>>2849774

>>2849776
i think you've done enough to move on

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yall got any more of those uhhhhhh... Crits

>>2846648
Feedback?

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I'm working on anatomy and dynamic gesture. What do you think?

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>>2849776
I like it
>>2849690
You are right I was symbol drawing. I read your pic and then started drawing pic related.
I feel like I fucked up the anatomy, but overall feels good. I also used my imagination on some parts.
>>2849703
Haha yhea man. I got that photo as a desktop wallpaper and their smiles was the main reason I wanted to draw them.
I think the mouths was actually the best parts of that drawing. Not because it looks good or is accurate at all, but because it looks so silly that it makes me burst out in laughter and become happy.

I am considering giving pic related to my Guru as a present(he is a Tibetan monk); good or bad idea?

>>2849805
it's the effort that counts at the end of the day

Is learning to draw on a tablet instead of on paper acceptable, or are there significant drawbacks to doing so?

>>2849586
Your main mistake with those heads is the direction of the brow line isn't aligned with the direction the jaw is pointing at, take the sketch in the middle as an example, the brow line is tilted slightly upwards while the jaw is pointing downwards, that's why your faces look so long.

>>2849803
I think that you shouldn't be working on those.
Try learning to draw a straight line first. Then you might be ready to learn how to draw a sphere and a box. You might think it's dumb, but really, progressing slowly is faster.

is it just my photoshop or is anyone else getting "not genuine" message all of a sudden? It's been happening to me for the past few days and now today I've been getting deliberate watermarks pasted to the image and color changes to the strokes every time the message comes up every 10 mins or so. I thought I blocked Adojew in my hosts but it seems they figured a way to get past it or something? If this keeps happening I actually have to hand them over my credit card.

>>2849805
You should give him the pic of the smiling dudes

>>2849841
Just pay them, you sound rich.

>>2848511
How do I get better at drawing with line instead of with rendering? It pains me to not be able to draw as well as I render.

>>2849872

$2k/month isn't rich, anon. Then again I live with mommy so I only have to pay 22% of my check to rent and no other responsibilities.

>>2849704
no, first actually, i'm that bad

>Doing keys
>Having a hard time understanding measuring with a pencil.

How can i stop being Retarded? I feel like i gotta start from the start of the chapter in order to get it.

>>2849790
Art can be so shit it doesn't even merit a crit. I'll just give you the ol', "learn http://is2.4chan.org/ic/1486442269927.jpgto stop symbol drawing and read Loomis."

>>2850071
i'll get on it!

>>2849876
I have the opposite problem, I have ok line drawings but I can't block in or render for shit always end up with an overblurry mess.

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Any problems that stand out in this one?

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>>2850180
look alright

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>>2850180
Hand is symbol drawn.

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>>2849776
Better than how I started, just eh, don't be like me and make sure to study other things than cartooning ugly guys

>>2850208
That's a great face dude!

>>2849640
just don't put your name in the pic, your anonymous, why even care?

How do I get over my drawing block? I can't decide what I want to draw, so I've been sitting here staring at the page for an hour.

>>2850239
Have you done loomis?

>>2850249
I tried fun with a pencil but it wasn't very fun so I assumed it was too advanced for me. should I try again?

>>2850262
well, you might wanna try keys to drawing. And you should try again, like Loomis says, to start you only need to know how to draw a lopsided circle.

>>2850239
>I can't decide what I want to draw

If in doubt, the answer is always "cute anime girls". This should be your main motivation, source of inspiration, and end goal.

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I'm trying to move towards Chris Bourassa's art style, one picture at a time. What do you think, is this the right approach? I started drawing this year, so I know there's a lot to improve. But I hope at least the direction is right.

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>>2850267
>cute anime girls

>>2850271
Yes good

What can I draw on my break at work that won't embarrass me if my coworkers see?

>>2850280
Whatever you see around you
Chairs
Coffee
Tables

>>2850280

see >>2850267

>>2850267
nice bait

>get tablet
>suddenly can barely draw straight lines any more

holy HECK

How long does it take to adapt to this new way of drawing? Drawing in one place and having the picture somewhere else is pretty wacky.

>>2850306
Takes like a day, maybe a week if you're slow.

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Is this shit anons? I tried experimenting with photoshop and painting but the a lot of people gave it a 0.

>>2850317
either you are baiting or you genuinely are attempting to draw like kron
not sure which is worse tbqhfamalam
kron is never a good starting point

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Threw this together as proportion practice, thoughts?

>>2850317
Better than what I can do, but I know I've got you beat in realism. mind explaining your process?

>>2850317
It's pretty good, nowhere near a 0, more like a 7.5, you just need to learn head proporsions (the face is ok but the rest of the head is not accurate at all) and how to draw hair properly.

>>2850317
What kind of photoshop brush is that?

>>2849047
I'd argue drawabox is one of the most underated drawing guides online today.

Its a mixture of peter han, scott Robertson, and some other stuff he learned at CDA.

He may not be the best artist. But his shit works.

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>>2850317
>>2850340
Me again, the left eye is also bigger than the right eye which is incorrect if following that perspective.

>>2850332
Where do you suggest I start then? I do like baiting but not when it comes to art.
>>2850335
Sure, I sketch out an anime-ish girly head, (learned this from Ahmed's tutorials.) I turn that layer's opacity down to like.. 20 percent. Next I sketch some line art over and add color layers beneath that one. When painting I use a lot of the pre-made brushes because I don't know how to use my own. Mess with the levels and other tools photoshop uses and it's done.
>>2850340
I honestly have have no clue how to digitally paint hair.
>>2850342
A lot of pre-made ones that comes with the program, I don't know them by name, just pick out ones that look neat.

>>2850352
sorry for bad english, I'm Russian.

>>2850356
Did a young Illya get sent into the future?

>>2850357
I don't understand the reference. Isn't that a manga?

Hey fellas. I've been doing a lot of practice on 3d shapes and I think I have the general gist of them to the point of moving them around in 3d space and whatnot. I think I'm ready to start applying value to my shapes and take the next step. I've been following drawabox.com so most of my exercises are with pens.

TL;DR - Should I use pencils to study value or can I study it with ink? Are they seperate techniques or if I learn one I learn for both mediums?

Thanks for the help!

>>2848987
I love you fro trying. Keep at it.

>>2850372
Both.

Separate technique. Same concept.

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Can I engage weeaboo mode yet?

I want to learn just enough basics to be able to draw acceptable animu grills

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>>2850405
>I want to learn just enough basics to be able to draw acceptable animu grills
>I want to learn how to walk just enough so I can break my legs

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>>2849542
I didn't do many of them today, but I will do more tomorrow. I'm applying my studies to females now, too.

Skills of studying from life are very lacking; I manage to reduce the complexity on the face too much and it looks very, very strange. One of these is referenced from this thread; if you can tell who it is: I might be able to recognise that my job was done semi-successfully.

>>2849717
>>2849835

I see what you guys mean. Thank you.

>>2850470
What were you trying to do? Like: were you trying to improve your sketchbook flow?

What I can tell you is that you should hatch directional, as if an object was moving across all of the shadows. It will support the form and make it look 3d.

>>2850470
>What did i fuck up here
being here

>>2850420
I would like to know what people think about the facial structure

>>2850470

you seem like a nice enough guy

leave /ic/ before your fee fees get hurt, trust me

>>2850405
Yes, go for it.

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>>2848513
Trying to render with pencil is annoying

>>2850543
What the fuck? So good.

>>2850172
Nah it's always blurry in the beginning, all you got to do is make finer transitions between your edges.

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finally took the time to implement some anons advice, rather than trying to eye everything i slowed down to do some construction work before going to do the actual drawing.

I didn't plan it as well as i had hoped and had to do a lot of improvising to fix it though. them hands are mega fucked however.

>>2850549
Slowed down? You call this slowed down? This is better than anything I can draw.

>>2850549
Mind sharing your process?

What exactly do you mean by construction work?

>>2850543
I was going to insult you for drawing her eyes pointing in different directions, but then I looked at the reference.

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>>2850553
I have attention span issues and often i have a hard time slowing down long enough to do things properly.

Often i just draw the eyes or something and draw the rest of the picture around that. I'm ass backwards majority of the time.

>>2850556
>Pic related

Like i said i slowed down this time often i just do lazy half assed stuff every time and it produces weird results. But this is what i did this time
>Draw circle
>line through at 1/3rd from bottom
>Draw line along the side of the ball to the top and mark that off with line across
>Look at distance between top of the ball where i marked off and the first line i put down
>Make a line at the bottom now so the first line i drew is now roughly in the middle
>If angled enough draw a line looping down from the top of the skull down to the jaw
>mark off nose at half way on bottom half
>Mouth somewhere in between beneath the nose and the bottom line
>Draw nose in structured manner
>Draw eyes in place
>Block off the rest of it so it has form
>Make corrections as i go along

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would this kind of drawing be considered a beginner because I was never trained?

>>2850569
You can be a beginner if you want anon! There's no need to be shy.

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>>2850569
Also this what level am I /ic/?

>>2850569
>>2850572
Honestly you're better than most people in this thread.

>>2850574
Please tell me what I need to work on I want to created a manga but I dont think im good enough yet.

>>2850578
You are good enough to do manga, just go for it.

>>2850578
Practice some gestures to make more interesting poses.

>>2850585
Can i just take a picture of my self and use those instead?

>>2850586
No, you must understand the gestures, don't half ass it, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>2850588
Thanks buddy will use.

>>2850590
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

You can use this to practice, try to draw something like 10x30secs, 10x1min and 10x2mins a day and you'll eventually begin to understand how poses work, and your drawings will look noticeably more interesting.

>>2850561
Crazy what you observe when you try to get over symbol drawing

>>2850591
Also thanks.

>Reading through fun with a pencil.
>Having an easy time with the head constructions.
>Get to the part where he starts drawing realistic heads.
>Pulls out incredibly nice looking portraits while giving you some quick explanation on construction.
>Feel like I'm fucking retarded for not getting it.
>"That was easy wasn't it?"
>Let's now put it on a body

So yeah, now I'm grinding heads trying to reach a semi decent level on it before moving on to the body constructions. Is this a good plan or should I just move on and learn it all before doing some serious grinding?

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>>2849730
Didn't see this before. Thanks for your kind words, Anon.

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While we're discussing figure drawings can somebody help me "feel it"?

I've seen Vilppu and Proko's videos in the past but no matter how often I've tried I can never feel the rhythm of the body in the 30 seconds ones, I do better with longer times but that's because I kinda cheat and do light constructing.

People hunched over in a kinda C shape is easier for me but anything with people standing I just can't find the places to start with the line.

>>2850595
Yeah, I think when you look past the bridge of your nose one eye just goes "Nothing to see over there, I'm not turning any more!"
It seems weird but there you go.

>>2850605
Try drawing on paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvxYM0R5r-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVxvFTYz210

>>2850597
Grind now I suggest, at least for a little while. You need to somewhat be able to construct a simpler object before constructing a more difficult object, and the human body is harder than just the head.

>>2850597
if you want to draw faces realistically, you'll have to do studies of each individual facial feature, you should look up "Proko nose," "Proko eye," etc. on youtube. Then you need to learn proportion to learn where to place the facial features "Huston head construction" on youtube for this. Even then, you'd need to study the skull to make sure you learn why the jaw and cheeks, for example, look the way they do. Sounds complex, but all you need to do is be positive and keep practicing and you'll get it all eventually.

>>2850410
>Muh fine arts

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I have found some websites full of art models.

What should i be concentrating on when drawing them?

Should I draw in pen and try to avoid chicken scathing or is pencil fine?

Should i Be aiming for gesture over likeness?

What else should I consider to get the most out of this?

>>2850612
Hey thats pretty good advice thanks anon

>>2850653
depends on your goal

>>2850180
the bat is too small

the arm holding the bat should be flexing out, try making the same pose as her while holding an imaginary bat, you'll understand what im saying.

the cap isn't correctly placed and looks too small for her head

hope it helps.

jezza, havent seen you in a while mate. are you still here?

>evaluate work
>either become highly arrogant or insanely depressed depending on the quality, both of those states hinder progress.

do i just not evaluate my work given that im clearly an emotional invalid

>>2850672
Self-analysis is critical to improving

stop letting your shitty little ego get in the way and understand that you need to appreciate what you excelled at and your faults and improve on the next drawing

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>>2848511

Guys how into fur, halp

>>2850676
i think my problem is that i've never really drawn a proper piece. i've been only grinding exercises and training for the past 6 months. yesterday i tried a creative project and experienced what i mentioned in the post above. not sure how to proceed. i dont think its viable to attempt projects with any semblance of completion without using digital. however im not sure im at the stage where im good enough to move to digital yet. so i decided to complain on /beg/.

>>2850672

>You can't be good good without being arrogant?
>You can't be bad and humble
Nani?

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Tried drawing realism as /ic/ suggested, it still looks stylized. Any tips?

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>>2850709
Reference used.

>>2850709
rendering
go learn loomis and stop the symbols before you do that though

>>2850709

It looks stylized because you don't know how to observe properly while drawing. You've invented shapes that you think accurately represent what you're seeing instead of visually measuring and copying the shapes as they exist.

Work through Keys to Drawing

>>2850709

jej did you use a circle tool for the iris?

You're symbol drawing, instead of drawing what you see you're drawing representations of what you see. You haven't constructed her face properly either, did you construct at all?

>>2850689

You've been training for 6 months, I can guarantee everything you do is fairly shitty and that's fine. Drop the ego, it's what causes most 'artists' to flounder and end up in the cringe threads. You don't need to use digital at all, you're looking for a mental crutch because you've put too much of your ego into your work.

Just fucking chill out. It's fine if you suck, it's perfectly natural. If every single piece you do is this huge emotional conflict you will never get anywhere. You need to just plow into the work and realize how transient each effort is. Don't worry about making some great finished piece of art. Just push yourself to do something, see where it goes, and move on when you stop getting returns from it. Post your art for critique, and don't be a big baby. At this point the skills you're developing are the focus, not what you end up with. Worry about how bad your work is when you need to sell it, for now as long as you're pushing yourself to grow and learn that's what counts.

>>2850759

Good advice, Anon. One's gotta leave the ego at the door before stepping into the drawing room.

>>2850684

Brushes

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I'm on project 1-E of Keys to Drawing and I still can't stop symbol drawing.
Send help.

>>2850372
Both.

I've always like pen because as based peter Han said. "with ink you cannot hide your mistakes. It shows them to us and allows us to fix them."

>>2850800

Put the reference upside down and draw it

>>2850684

The most important thing is that you have strong rendering of the form as a base. Don't worry about fur or texture until you've got the whole range of values nicely rendered out on a single layer. Smooth and hard edges where you need them. Use a hard round brush and keep opacity maxed out. The way you have this, there isn't much to the rendering, it's very flat and ambiguous. You need definition and contrast to make the basic visual read well. The transparency of the strokes is not good, it makes for a muddy, messy visual. I know when you're starting out the first instinct is to make a bunch of strokes because you think it's like putting a bunch of hair on, but it doesn't work that way. Less is definitely more in art, the more simple and direct your process, the more likely your work is to avoid mistakes. You can get into rendering so that it looks like very realistic hair, but I'm sure that's a complicated and time consuming layering process you would need to find specific instruction for. Just study how fur and hair is 'indicated'. Give the impression of fur by simplifying the effect light has on it, and indicate it more realistically in areas where the shape of the fur is more clearly defined.

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>>2848513
Been a while since I got back to practicing and I really have gotten rusty but hopefully I can find time to get back to it

>>2850684
>
dude wtf have you ever looked at an animal before. do you really think you can just slap down fur brushes and it will look okay? NO, fur is directional and has volume to it. start by trying to draw the shadows out and bunch the fur together, also your value and drawing are wack. please add a wide range of values to the nose, the inside of the ear, underneath the head, the eye is not reflective at all either and the pure black surrounding it really flattens it. honestly it was a good attempt but there's tons of issues and maybe you should focus on drawing rather than trying to render.

>>2850800

Slow down and draw what you see. Slow way the fuck down. Take a few cracks at it, try and see where you got it right or wrong on each attempt. Something really important is just getting clean strokes. I know it's tough at the start, but even if your lines end up a little wobbly, try not to make a big mess of them. Line it up, ghost over it without touching the paper, try to get the motion, use your shoulder, and give it one light stroke. Erase it if you mess up. Don't worry about text and small details on the label right now because that's always a pain in the ass. Just get the general shapes and forms of the bottle. Try drawing through the form too, see if you can get those cylindrical shapes in there. It might be tough to do the ellipses because you're still learning to do strokes, but it's good practice.

Try the peter han stuff too, the dynamic drawing stuff where you practice lines and ellipses.

If it makes you feel better the first time I did that exercise was a trainwreck.

>>2850810
>>2850821

Thank you very much for your time Anons, I am going to follow your advice and get better proper form and values before going into texture.

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>>2850826
Thanks for the help, I've been kinda lazy as of late and I really want to break out of that. Seriously, it does mean a lot that you are responding. Thank you.

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