>concept art better than final product every time

You don't have to animate concept art.

>>2847887
it would probably be easier to animate in a sketchy format than to have to make it go through clean up and color department.

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>>2847890
>it would probably be easier to animate in a sketchy format than to have to make it go through clean up and color department.

>>2847890

No. Just no.

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>>2847984
>>2847979
You're right, what an awful idea it is to be stylistic with animation.

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>>2847986
>concept art sketching is the same thing as stylistic with animation
>implying your gif is "animate in a sketchy format"

>>2847979
>>2847984
I bet you flaming faggots just love how "crisp", "clean" and "smooth" My Little Pony looks.

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>>2848040
Why yes. Yes I do.

>>2847890
It is. That's what they did during the xerox era to save money.

I think it makes the animation look more organic and alive. Too bad everyone's scared of a little grit these days and keep obsessing over polished soulless bullcrap.

>>2848047
Are we now talking about some imaginary "good old days" and not the OP image anymore? Disney has always had very clean lines in their finished products and Bambi sure as hell isn't some modern over polished soulless bullcrap.

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>>2848060
Robin hood animation looks better than Bambi.

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>>2848067
>Bambi's realeased year: 1942
>Robin Hood's released year: 1973
jeez I wonder why

>>2848078
It's not about age retard. By Bambi Disney had already established their principles of animation by large.

Robin Hood looks better than more recent shit as well, for example the Great Mouse Detective.

It doesn't hold up as well to the renaissance shit though but that is simply because of budget reasons. A xerox-style movie with a Disney renaissance budget would've been fucking glorious.

>>2848067
>>2848087
Maybe, but I think you're paying too much attention to line quality and type, rather than animation style. Bambi's characters aren't anthropomorphized at all, whereas all of Robin Hood's characters are. Anthropomorphizing always makes things more appealing. Why do you think furries revere Robin Hood and not Bambi? The appeal of the "sketchiness", however, is purely subjective to the viewer.

As a side note, bambi wasn't made in black and white because in the '30s is was much easier to make animation full color than live action film, so a full color animated film was a bigger draw back then.

>>2847867
Are you honestly surprised concept artists and key animators are better than junior animators in the in-between department?

>>2848067
Is that even the final lines or just a pencil test? I don't remember Robin Hood looking particularly rough and sketchy.

>>2848156
> but I think you're paying too much attention to line quality and type
I'm not. Line quality and type is of high importance to the outcome.

>The appeal of the "sketchiness", however, is purely subjective to the viewer
Except sketchiness is objectively better. The best artists take full advantage of much life and character a bit of texture and/or spontaneous, imperfect lines and strokes give their artwork. OP's pic is a perfect example of how much of the appeal gets lost when you go anal about turning every line into a solid sterile boundary between shapes and blocks of color. For some reason the general animation industry never got over this idea of "perfection" that any good artist will work their way through at intermediacy.

Also
> Bambi's characters aren't anthropomorphized at all
this is wrong. They talk, make human facial expressions and are mentally human. Anthropomorphism extends beyond wearing clothes and opposable thumbs you know.

>>2848250
I posted this particular gif to emphasize my point.

Through the xerox process a lot would get lost but you can still catch much of it in the final version.

>>2848276
*advantage of HOW much

>>2847890
Multiple people are working on the same project key aninators inbetweeners
Sketchy would lead to inconsistency and vibrazing image

>>2847890
>>2847979
>>2847984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkARp7dqSBk

>>2847890
Why is this board filled with fuckwits who don't even draw and are completely willing to run their mouths when they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about?

>>2848316
That anatomy and perspective wete terrible...

And now I can't stop thinking about how that dog is gonna die any second.

>>2848067
isn't some of the animation from robin hood just reused animation from the jungle book

>>2848320
You say that like it is any different anywhere else.

>>2848344
>contrarian: the post

>>2848320
>but I know what I'm talking about! you can tell by how fucking angry i am.

>>2847867
idiot

itt the blind arguing with the severely retarded

>>2847986
You're retarded, they're mocking you because you think it is easier. It's not.

You're also showing how little you know by calling it 'stylistic' and not elaborating on it's expressiveness and line motion.

>>2848444
Judging from this: >>2848316
Doing sketched animation is not any harder either. It's on the same level of work. So to state you can't copy the concept art aesthetic because it's harder is retarded.

Maybe sketchy and rough wasn't what they wanted to go for...

>>2848385
and snow white

>>2847986
>imblying anyone could watch 2 hours of this
are you fucking dense

>>2848544
Why not? South Park made a movie and people sat through that shit animation.

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Clean-up ruins everything tbqh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOVlVF3RJQc

>>2847890
This post triggered me.

>there are people in this thread who actually think the final clean version is better than pencil tests

disgusting

>>2848593
God damnit hemlook so hideous

>>2847890
Can we ban this fucking faggot being extraordinarily retarded?

>>2848695
>I see a lot of replies to this post!
>I don't know what it's about, but I wanna be a part of it, too!

>>2848695
yer on /ic/, mate. everyone on this board is retarded when it comes to art, including yourself. people don't come here because they're good or know what they're doing, they go here because they have so few followers on social media they literally can't get people to comment on their stick figure art.

>>2848695
Do you think having to go through rough -> clean up -> color stages is somehow faster than just rough?

Most CalArts students don't even bother doing clean line art for their short films because they don't have the time. They're intentionally sloppy and sometimes sketchy because they have tight deadlines.

>Get an animoo studio production artbook
>hate the studio internally for ruining the concept art with the anime
At best, they muddy up values, which ruins the beautiful shots they planned out. At the worst, you get QUALITY

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>>2847979
>>2847984
see
>>2848047

>>2848060
Xerox era started with 101 Dalmations I believe.

It truly is amazing how uniformed the average poster is on this board, where two minutes of research would have saved this thread from a lot of shitty posts and ignorant opinions.

>>2848895
I'm on here because I love laughing at how stupid most of the posts are on here. Also for the small occasion where I get to interact with someone who generally wants to improve.

>>2847986
pop pop pop pop POP pop

Fuck you know nothing about animation.

>>2849718
pop pop pop pop POP pop

Fuck you know nothing about animation either.

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>>2848593
Watching the final cut was always underwhelming.
>visually striking shading replaced by softly blurred, barely-visual shadows
>rain and magic effects cluttering up the screen
>human beast's ugly colored character design

>>2849924
This image just made me realize I've never finished this movie.

>>2848344
Show me your work master, please teach me, i need to know how to create something better than this peasant you are bashing

>>2848344
>Dog is gonna die any second
You should watch the sequel, Threesome.

>>2849924
I just realized "Howel's moving castle" was a better executed "beauty and the beast"

>>2850031
Howel's moving castle, like most Miyazaki films, has no climax.

>>2849926
what a coincidence anon, we should hang outsome time

>>2850059
every american movie follows the "save the cat formula" because their retarded audiences wouldn't understand anything else.

>>2850085
this, fuck structure, Howl moving castle is a masterpiece

who knew /ic/ was full of professional animators... LOL

>>2848404
u ar idot

>>2847867
good point.
ignore all of the horse crap in this thread.

>>2850085
>i just read a book about screenwriting 101 and now i'm an expert!

>>2848344
>That anatomy and perspective wete terrible...

Anon, you're spending waaaay too much time on ic.

>>2850059
because he doesn't plan out the story right? he just goes for it and writes as he goes along.

>>2850085
So you think "save the cat" invented climaxes in story telling, a concept that is so basic it has been around long before movies, are you that fucking stupid?

This goes for >>2850108 too

>fuck structure this building is a masterpiece!
*as the building collapses...

> but Ooooh pretty frames!

>>2847890
this is the dumbest comment i have ever read holy shit

>>2850319
despite the fact that many people in this thread have proven it is indeed easier to animate much sketchier?

this is the dumbest bandwagon i have ever seen a poster desperately try to jump on

>>2848344
>That anatomy and perspective were terrible
No, it really wasn't.

>>2847867
The final product needs to be spread across multiple people of different skill levels in order to actually happen.

>>2847979
>>2847984
>>2848320
>>2848654
>>2848695
>>2850319

>doing x amount of work is harder than doing x amount of work plus additional work

What the fuck is this abortion of a bandwagon

>>2848344
>babby uses buzzwords to try seem smart

>>2848344
>dat perspective
>terrible
do you even perspective? yh, didn't think so

>>2848385
Yeah but there's also a lot of original animation by Kahl and the gang

>>2849926
i personal think disney's batb is overrated outside of the two famous songs.

>>2848276
>>Bambi's characters aren't anthropomorphized at all
You know what he means.

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>>2848276
>sketchiness is objectively better
The Aristocats and The Jungle Book were both xeroxed and I thought they looked pretty shit

>>2854919
The Aristocats was a boring movie but you're crazy if you think there was no good animation in it.

The Jungle Books shits on any current CG film in terms of character animation and art direction, easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDzlhW3XTM