Animation Thread

Just finished this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZALp49EL8

Is it worth purchasing DigiCel Flipbook?

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>>2828725

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>>2829035
>tfw a .gif from a current year cartoon actually made me laugh

>>2828725

Should add this link to the OP:

http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

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>>2828555
Animated in flipnote
cleaned on ps
comp in afterFX

>>2829066
>Animated in flipnote
>cleaned on ps
>comp in afterFX
literally why?

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>>2829077
why not?

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Krita would be my animation program of choice if it didn't keep crashing. Are there any competitive alternatives for raster-based artwork? CSP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNj0AX5efI

>>2829083
Overkill.

>>2829214
these are only tools man, you can make an animation with a challk and a camera too

>>2829035
>STOP BULLYING; SPEAK UP!

fitting

>>2829098
Photoshop?

Timelines a bit of a mess though.

>>2829098
fuck I agree, but I just installed CSP and it's p good actually. Certainly more stable.

>>2828725
hey im using the free tvpaint program you guys have and so far it's pretty good, but is there a way to make the pen tool much darker or add ons to have a more solid brush? i want to use it for linework but it's mild transparency throws me off so fucking hard

>>2828749
Kind of looks like a mix of prosnorkulus and adventure time, I like it anon

>>2829098
TVPaint

>>2829401
Can't you adjust it in the options?

>>2829455
Thanks, was definitely going for a bit of an Adventure Time aesthetic.

>>2829302
I've done simple animations in Photoshop before but it was a miserable experience. I'm not sure if it was a setting I needed to hit in the software or if I just wasn't using it right in general or what but every time I'd make a new frame all the previously created layers would be showing by default so I'd have to hide them all manually. At least that's how I remember it.

>>2829347
Yeah CSP seems good. I don't really like how you kind of have to run around in circles to copy a frame but it's certainly more stable

>>2829456
That's what Aaron Blaise uses so it must be good, but it seems like ToonBoom is industry standard now. For now while I'm just doing simple exercises I think CSP is probably the best option.

>>2828749
Boring visuals, instead of walking and talking there should be zooms on faces on different angles but overall pretty impresiive work

>>2829504
I see where you're coming from. All those walking and dialog bits can get a little stale, I think. I would have liked for there to be more animation too but I figured it's best to improve on that in the next project.

>>2829525
Good luck, I belive in you

>>2829457
I tried that and it's still transparent
although right now im just saying fuck it and adding more effort by darkening the shit out of my lines
being poor fucking sucks....

>>2828749
Looks better than any recent CN show

>>2828749
It looks well done yet kind of amateur at the same time. I can't quite put my finger on it but It doesn't quite look professional. Still good job tho, looks nice. Keep practicing and you'll only get better

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Okay, clip studio is proving to be an adequate program to test simple animations on-but when you export the file itself, true to its name it seems all too willing to "clip" the hell out of the result. I can't really seem to find anything in the software or manual that might hint as to what I'm doing wrong but I'm also kind of dyslexic so I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something.

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>>2829747
Nevermind I think I know what it is.

One of the first things I did was remove all of the visible margin guides and stuff that I erroneously assumed were for analog printing exclusively. Unless I'm mistaken it looks like I have to just leave those eye-sores visible and stay in the boundaries.

Not a fan to be honest but until Krita gets a little more stable it's still better than nothing. I'm glad I tested it with a ball instead of trying to do something more complex. Looks like you can't move multiple layers at once so.

>>2829747
I can't be too much of help, since I haven't used CPS's animation tools in a year, but there's definitely a way to export it so the FPS remains smooth (I had the same issue as you and it took a while to resolve it). Dig around the "save as"/"export" window because there's a lot of options hidden in the drop-down menus and all.

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>>2829759
Ah I didn't mean the fluidity of the animation was affected, rather I found that the size of the exported canvas is constrained to the "margins" that I had disabled shortly after which I was blissfully unaware of while I was animating. Would have been good to know beforehand, I would have been screwed if I made a "real" animation without being aware of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0J4dIeNj6s

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>>2829761
I was wrong, you can move the contents of multiple layers at once (I was trying to move them by selecting all the frames instead of the layers like a jackass)

wtf I love CSP now

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>>2829533
It shouldn't be transparent, be sure you settings look like this, also, what do you mean transparent?
Like when you try to draw a line it's grey and you selected black?

>>2829083
theres barely anything there, you could have just done that literally with one program

>>2829481
Timeline's a mess in photoshop, but you have all your tools, so that's nice.

Watch this: https://vimeo.com/80851591

And get the animdessin 2 plugin. That might make your life easier.

Toonboom is industry standard in North America. TVPaint much stronger in Europe.

I don't know what they use in Japan.

>>2830145
>I don't know what they use in Japan.
Pencil/pen and paper then coloring in retas (which is made by the CSP people).

This was done with colored markers on paper https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/24379

>>2830183
https://twitter.com/mobpsycho_anime/status/752506627593342976

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>>2830130
You need after FX anyways,
so you are adding"a little tool for the raw animation, thats it. And a very comfy tool if you ask me

>>2830198
For what do you need After Effects?

>>2830229
Compositing
Camera management
Color management
Sound management
I dont know...
AFX is a wonderful tool

>>2830198
>>2830248
So in this gif, AE has done the blur effect, the color filter and the noise filter? (I'm genuinely oblivious about this, thanks)

>>2830283
You can say so.
Its more than "adding filters"
By instance, the defocus in this shot is achieved by tilting the background in real 3D
Its camera DOF. But yes

>>2830403
Thanks. Do someone know where to find more about post-processing stuff?

>>2830183
Not all productions use paper, but it is still much more common there than here.

It's funny, I looked into Retas when I learned about it. They tried to sell it in the US for like, one year, and then just gave up.

Also that's kid of cheating. Mob Psycho uses SAND animation for some of its shots. It's way more out there than most anime.

>>2830416

http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials/all/

Everything you need to know about after effects. It's focused on live-action, but very applicable to animation.

Any europeans in this thread? just curious where everyone itt is from.

Dutch here.
>tfw no french speaking gobelins student.
anyone watching Lastman?

>>2828749
Nice work. Keep at it, you're gonna make it anon.

>>2830597
Serbfag here

>>2830597
hungarian logging in

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>>2830145
I might look into that, thanks. For the time being I'm just happy to have found something to use CSP for. How I let /ic/ hype me into buying this when I already had photoshop I'll never know, but I guess I'm kind of glad they did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zB1HelWFNw

>>2830569
Thanks man

>>2830597
>>2830673
>>2830696
Why are you guys interested in animation? What converted you?

A lot of people like animation without being interested, nor even aware, of the craft, I feel like they don't realize the work behind it.

I wonder how most people interested in animation started to realize and be fascinated by this.

>>2830793

No problem. That's a great resource. There's things in there I had no idea AE could do.

The scripting stuff, for one, still makes my head spin.

>>2830796
It's cliche, but blame Miyazaki. I was already interested in animation as an art form, but he was one of the first I saw that showed me what could be done with it.

>>2830796
Dunno, I was the kind of kid who saw something they liked, and wanted to do it themselves like cartoons. Had this old program called animpro on dos, played with it a lot. Then later animation came back to focus because of silly dreams of making games.

>>2828612

Looks so bad dude.

>>2830889
what's wrong with it, too stiff or something?

>>2830889
shiiiit, I can't find a torrent for TVPaint, I had it years ago but that computer is gone now..

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Does this kick look ok
>>2829747
>>2829098
I'm using krita as well but yeah it does crash a lot. does CSP have a way to do Motion Tween like flash?
>>2831049
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg
TVpaint 10 is in the op's link anon

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>>2831064
It's all good, I found my old computer and found TVPaint installed on it, transferred it right quick to my new comp. As a bonus I found some gifs I made years ago, your stick drop reminded me of this one a little.

>>2831069
wheere is that hammer design from, did you make that up? i like it.

>>2831075
yeah made up, thanks anon.

>>2831064
Also, personally I'd like to see more spin on the upper torso and having a little more followthrough in general after the complete motion. 3rd degree black belt and ex - assistant master here. It made my combat animations a little more realistic.

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>>2831064
Cmon dude step it up

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>>2831069
Love the hammer but the spawning could be cooler https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/10753

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>>2831064
>I'm using krita as well but yeah it does crash a lot. does CSP have a way to do Motion Tween like flash?

I really don't believe so, but I'm very new to the program so I'm kind of just figuring stuff like that out. So far I'm not a big fan of how it works but I don't even know what if anything I'm doing "the right way" either so I have to reserve judgment.

Apparently it has a bunch of poseable 3D models pre-installed though, and you can make and save your own poses. That's pretty darn nifty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRmTlhNn48E

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>>2831064
Speaking of Flash, has anyone here used 'Adobe Animate' yet? I remember there was some hype about it when it was first announced but I feel like we all either collectively forget about it or must have tried it and discarded it. Any anons out there used it and have a verdict?

https://www.adobe.com/products/animate/features.html

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>>2830796
I just found it to be the best medium to tell a story, all my childhood I loved watching cartoons, I'd spend all day watching CN, Jetix and Ultra and even some german channels. Back then I had little to no understanding of english but I still loved watching nearly every cartoon, I was just fascinated by animation... so much so that I kept thinking of stories and characters I'd like to make. And then I found the gobelins channel whose shorts inspire me. Of all other mediums I find animation the most satisfying one, seeing your drawing move is something I could watch all day, it's the most fulfilling basically. The things I've animated so far haven't been the greatest but I'm hoping to improve :)

If you're interested in seeing what I've done so far you can find a link to my channel down below :) But yeah, in summary I can't really explain why I love animation so much, I really like to draw and feel the need to draw but just drawing never cut it for me, making your drawing move is like giving it life and that's the most fulfilling part. :)

YT channel --> youtube.com/user/extellus

Also here's this gif I made for some reason

>>2831384
I've seen Jazza use it a bit, they added the canvas rotate feature which is the thing it needed most

>>2831064
no the kick looks like shit, use ref please

>>2831064
boob flicker

>>2831387
What you made is nice

>>2831488
Thanks anon :)

>>2831229
lol

>>2831387
looks like domald tromp

I love coming into the animation thread
I get so happy seeing all of your small animations and projects.
I dream that one day i can join you.

But first i must conquer symbol drawing

>>2831384

I've used it. It a'ight. Still just flash, whatever they may call it, but the drawing is nicer.

I DID have to get a new computer before I could use it though. My old one just wouldn't run it right.

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>>2830198
>>2829083
>>2829066
I finished the trailer already
let me know what you think.

https://youtu.be/e_9se-da23Y

>>2832232

It's hard to follow man. Animations aside (they're nice), the sudden transitions to pitch black make it very uneasy on the eyes. Specially given the pink-ish color palette. I'd soften those.

>>2832232
>>2832236
I agree, the black is really jarring.

>>2832236
>>2832275
thirding this

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I don't know what I'm doing other than ruining animation for everybody forever

I find it really hard to complete a walk cycle for some reason. This is fundamental stuff and it terrifies me. On the bright side a partially complete walk cycle kind of looks like a silly dance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB50v6joJCE

>>2831388

If I recall correctly the brush actually stays the chosen size relative to the canvas when you zoom in/out now which is also huge. The fact it took them this long to implement that as a "feature" is astounding. Just one of the reasons it's not the animation standard anymore and probably won't be any time soon no matter what kind of bells and whistles they attach to it. I still might consider trying it out for a month or two though just to see what's up.

>>2831986
good luck anon

What's the best software that let you draw over a video and export it as a .gif?

>>2832329
you mean rotoscope???

>>2832337
Yeah something like that.

>>2832329
>>2832338
You can do that with any normal animation program. Just turn the video into a gif first and then you can import it into either toon boom or flash (don't know if it'd work on tv paint, csp, or krita) and then make a new layer and draw over it. Simple as that.

>>2832329
you mean rotoscope???

Man it's so annoying trying to do tradigital animation in flash cs5 is there anything better anon?

>>2832385
Aside from shitty lines what's wrong with flash? You could try toon boom, it's basically a better version of flash. Or something a bit different is tv paint or clip studio.

>>2832329
Photoshop has that built in.

>>2829098
GoAnimate is best rn

So in the previous thread I was searching for commented storyboard but I thought of searching storyboard critique (yeah, simple thought) and found a good page http://karenjlloyd.com/blog/2009/08/02/artist-process-board-critique/

I remember I also found commented spongebob storyboard earlier but I don't have the link anymore

If any of you have more things like that I'd be interested to have them

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>can't into front walk
>can't into hand movement
>can't do character consistency
kill me

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>>2832558
Copy, learn, repeat.

>>2832611
that's a realy nice gif, saved, thanks

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>>2831064
you might need a reference

What's a good way to practice/learn how to set up shots and animating camera movement? Like I come up with an idea of what I wanna animate but I always get caught up on how where to place the figure and how to manipulate the camera around the action.

This anon >>2831229 usually does cool shit. Any advice?

>>2832306
Oh man yeah haha the brush, I completely forgot about that, I remember having to write down my zoom level in case I forgot it so my lines wouldn't be of different sizes

>>2831986
Nothing is stopping you from alternating fundamentals with for example animation. Animating things might even help you understand things like forms and weight

>>2832669
Kek

>>2831986
hey anon
if you are interested in animation you better start right away
even kids with no art training whatsoever can do pretty cool stick figure animations in their textbooks so do the bouncing ball

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>>2828725
i want to get into animation, where should i start learning? what program should i use? i made this in photoshop, i am quite used to its interface, should i stick to it or is it worth to learn something made for animation?

>>2834241
Stick with photoshop for now

Learn the basic principles of animation like timing and spacing

Learn how to animate the movement of a circle and most importantly think while you animate

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I can't believe how many half-finished animations I had to throw away before I finally worked up to this abomination of a walk cycle. Hopefully now that I've done it once I won't keep pussing out, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYEKv3C2pE

>>2834811
thats really terrible. you should be doing better. It has no life to it. Practice more and lower your expectations of yourself. Self loathing and lazyness will slow our progress down.

>>2832792
Pls respond

>>2834811
Walking is all about shifting weight. It's just controlled falling with a bit of momentum
Walk across the room slowly and pay attention to how your weight shifts

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>>2832792
even though pic related is how to visualize how to keep track of character positions during cuts between different cameras I think you could use the same type of sketches to visualize camera movement

use the same perspective as in the pic and draw a few rough key drawings but include your camera in the scene as well and you might get a better idea of placement

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>>2831229

>>2835231
Awesome, thanks for the advice. I'll try that. Where's pic related from btw?

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>>2834884
Yeah I'm really struggling with this. Actually getting one done-as bad as it is-has really helped demystify the process though, hopefully my next ones will be...marginally better.

I'm going to do a couple more "utilitarian" walk cycles like that to try and hammer the general idea of how it works in my head and then I'll try and do something with more character.

>>2831227
Noice, I like it

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>>2835231
Quick little test animation. I tried visualizing more and I think it helped. Obviously have a lot more practice to do but now I think I know how to approach it. Thanks again anon.

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Not really satisfied with the cleanup on this, but some of the motion is nice.

Going to move onto something else now.

>>2831227

I like this too.

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>>2835468
It took me literally 5 minutes to make this so it's really not that hard

1 - animate the thing with sketches before you start refining the drawings
2 - work on your keys and passing positions, if the keys are bad then it's all bad, same goes for the passing positions
3 - draw from life if you can, if you can't then just use one of those reference sites from which you can draw models

>>2835500
Try removing or adding some frames somewhere in there, the animation feels evenly spaced out so it's kind of boring - watch out for that in the next thing you do

Also use a different brush with a bit of texture if you can, if not, use a thinner brush. Also, don't use solid black for your outlines, use a damped down brown or blue

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Look out everyone, animation pro coming through.

>>2835520
Amazing

>>2835290

https://youtu.be/7LgHOUTZ8Gc

>>2835520
needs contact frames

>>2835726
dcoo

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My very first animation for class.
Haven't read up or done anything on the subject yet, but about to learn.

Does anyone know a good crash course for TV paint, I got a trial but I can't figure it out.

>>2835518
Yeah, it's got a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed, but I'm moving forward. I think my biggest mistake wasn't doing a cleanup passs before settling on final line work.

Anyway I'm planning out some poses for another short animation.

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>>2836037

and I forgot to post them...

>>2836038
Looks a lot better than the previous one

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>>2836101
Decided to finally try animating. Tried to do the whole jumping ball thing, with anticipation and stuff.

>>2836108
>>2836101
Didn't mean to link to that post, sorry.

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Where can I improve?

>>2835233
neato

>>2836153
Well, timing could use some work and the stripes and dashes to indicate speed are a bit distracting.

What actually happens to his flesh goatee? It stretching out beyond it's proportions just looks a bit weird since the animation doesn't provide any sort of reasoning.

Also,

>>2831064
In a reverse round house the shoulders lead the hips which leads the leg. The body should twist and not be flat when twirling other wise it just looks like she is dancing, not kicking

>>2832232
I like the art style. The animations look good except for the weight to the kid, he feels a bit floaty, but I don't know what you can do about that now since you are pretty close to being done? and yeah take out the cuts to black.

>>2835233
I like it. One thing I notice in almost all your animations is that almost everything seems floaty. Try playing around with expressing more weight.

>>2836153

To provide a counter suggestion to >>2836173 I like the stripe and dashes to indicate movement but, you shouldn't rely on them to express the movement. Try animating the movements first and then once they work with out the dashes, go in and put them in. (but really i think they work fine how they are)

Also for the wattle, if it stretches in the second turn (the left turn) shouldn't it stretch in the first turn (the one right)

>>2836038
he forgot to put on his sweater shameful display

>>2836153
Add some secondary motion to the his butt and back feathers on the turns

>>2831086
>>2836213
>>2831414
thanks for the advice guys, I'm gonna try and fix It or possibly just start over.
>>2832669
>>2831412
>tfw I was using ref I just suck.

>>2836237
But if the movement works without the dashes and smearing, wouldn't it be better to leave them out?
If you want a rapid movement, I think it's wise to think of smearing right away as you are planning out the keyframes of the movement instead of pasting them over when you already animated the thing.

>>2836250
>But if the movement works without the dashes and smearing, wouldn't it be better to leave them out?
It could just be a style thing.

>>2836252
But if you want your animation to look solid and tight you'd have to think of smearing, just like squashing and stretching, as you think of the movement instead of some effect you paste over your work when it's construction is done.

At least, that's how I see it.

>>2836259
If you want your animation to look solid and tight, sure you would want to think of using smearing like that. but If you look at stuff like >>2831229 or like Bill Plympton's work, you dont need your artwork to be solid and tight to make the animation work. If >>2836153 wants to explore and try new ways of smearing I'd say go for it. In the example he posted it doesn't work out perfectly (especially with secondary motions and follow through), but I think he is onto something that could be pretty cool.

>>2836153
Everything is so evenly spaced out

Try removing some frames from the middle part of the animation to see how it looks

Smears make things looks slower and more sluggish
Only camera use smears
Don't be a camera
Be a real human being

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Whachu think?

>>2836292
You are objectively wrong. Why do people keep saying that? Smears are one of the fundamentals of animation and literally everyone uses them. Ranging from anime to the simpsons to disney or even Pixar and dreamworks 3D stuff.

>>2836317
YOUUUU'RE OBJECTIVELY WRONG
SMEARS ARE FUCKING GAY KILL YOURSELF

>>2836302
It's moving so fast, I barely had time to understand what was going on.

>>2836379
Somebody needs a fat bitch sized tampon... cunt!

>>2835233
Nice!

>>2835701
Pencil Tests and Demo Reels: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6F0C769FF5F42373

>>2836451
https://youtu.be/6aqt-hb0CYw

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>>2836380
I slowed it down in the verison I colored in.

>>2836484
Wait, or maybe I forgot too.

>>2836108
Not bad. I think you should use some foreshortening to make him lean back more before he slams his hat into the ground, and lean forward more when he does it because now it looks more like the actual hat is generating the force to move and not the head. Also even though it is probably just to get it to loop it would look better if he moved back to his starting position a little quicker

>>2836275
Just for clarificatin, when I referred to solid and tight, I was talking about the movement, not the line quality or style.
Making the animated movements follow through with their line and direction without wobble or stuttering.

>>2836239
He enjoys the refreshing breeze.

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>>2836652
I was thinking that the hat is actually a bit weighted, so that it would slam something with it.

Here's another ball gnome practice.

>>2835701
You inspired me to create a playlist that contains a large variety of animation info and history... I'm still working on it, but I think it's coming along nicely!

>>2835701
>>2837893
Animation: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXXoKweYqHN1uoVLsQv7x3tNa97Dc8CNn


Oops forgot the link

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxy26IOiYLE

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I'm >>2834241, here's my try at animating a ball doing some stuff
what should i do next?

>>2839244
also, what do you guys think about 12fps animating?

>>2839244
terrible
>>2839276
what does that have to do with anything? animation should be 24 fps since thats the standard.

>>2839279
thanks for the useful comment m8

>>2839244
The bat is drawn nicely, but your timing and spacing is fucked beyond repair.

Draw larger and feeeel the weight and the energy of that ball, there's just no other way to make it believable.

>>2839276
If you are animating in 2s its basically 12 frames per second. However you absolutely want 24 for better spacing

>>2839279

Oh Hi Richard Williams! I didn't see you there!

>>2839244
Your timing is off. The ball is moving too slow to be hit by a bat, or pulled gravity. It's floating down, not being whacked down.

The mass of the ball changes constantly, most obviously at the bottom of the fall, where it suddenly quadruples in size and becomes a cushion.

What's the best pencil to animate with? A lot of pencils feel too light when I draw with them, even with 6B pencils.

>>2839594
>too light

wrap it in lead

>>2839594
Depending on your preferences, Col-erase blue and red pencils are good, or Palomino Blackwings.

>>2829035
>Stop Bullying
>Loser
Top tier irony

>>2830569
Thank you anon, good looking animation btw

>>2839745
Yea, may go to an art store and check out some pencils. At times I just clean up using pen. Even bic pens do the job for me. But pencils, I dunno, some just feel very light.

>>2839594
>What's the best pencil to animate with?
we've reached full on self-parody

>>2832232
I see what you want to do with the black cuts, but you should try making them way longer

>>2836404
jfc when did this turn into /cgl/?

>>2839291
i dont think you know what animating in 2s mean...

>>2840403
That's exactly what it means. 2 exposures per drawing. What do you think it means? lmao

>>2839299
??? he never mentioned anything about fps?

>>2840409
>2 exposures per drawing
>exposure
nice buzz words. 2 exposures per drawing isnt animating in two you dimwit. thats animating in 3s. 1 exposure per drawing is animating in 2s... and i say this because what does this has to do with 12 fps? absolutely nothing.

>>2840413
You are fucking stupid kid

>>2840418
prove me wrong retard. 1s are animated with every frame being unique. 2s have one unique framed extended to another and 3s have one unique extended to 2 frames. whats so hard to understand? the way you make it sound with animating in 12 fps is that you literally have to set the frame limit to be 12 fps. I get that you said 2s is like animating in 12 fps, but the fact is your still animating in 24fps. you made yourself even look more retarded when you thought you knew what animating in 2s is..
>2 exposures per drawing
>2 exposures per drawing
that adds up to 3 frames btw which is 8 fps kiddo
kek

>>2840433
Not that guy but animation in 24 fps where you show a frame twice and 12 fps is the same result

>>2840445
thats what im saying. the way he said it though was confusing. he brings up animating in 2s is the same as 12 fps, but then goes to say animate in 24 fps because thats better which is animating in 1s, so it sounds like he should deliberate change the fps when youre not.

>>2840433
im that guy >>2839291
but not that guy>>2840418
1. I said that animatingg in 2s is BASICALLY the same but that you still need the 24 frames for better spacing. Prove me wrong.
2 he means that if you expose a painting 2 times means it is there for 2 frames. How do you count?

>>2840451
How stupid are you. It is completely clear. If you animate in 2s with 24 fps it's basically 12fps. Though it is just 12 paintings per second while still 24 fps. And I added that he should animate with 24 fps because you can, if you want animate in 2s and you have to draw the same amount of paintings but you have more freedom for spacing.

>>2840451
>>2840459
I was just saying if he wants to animate just 12 pictures he should animate in 2s and keep 24 fps because of better spacing and not 12 fps. Thats it.

>>2840433
>retard
>kiddo
>kek
wow this level of arrogance from someone who doesn't even know the meaning of these terms, or how to count for that matter.

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>>2840433
>that adds up to 3 frames btw which is 8 fps kiddo

This is in all sincerity the stupidest post I think I've ever read on this board and you're actually gloating about it. Sad!

I don't know what you think an exposure is, but the fact you referred to it as a 'buzzword' says it all.

1 exposure per drawing = the drawing is EXPOSED for the duration of ONE FRAME = Animating on 1s = 24fps

2 exposures per drawing = the drawing is EXPOSED for the duration of TWO FRAMES = Animating on 2s = 12fps

Good god, man.

>>2840459
>>2840459
>1. I said that animatingg in 2s is BASICALLY the same but that you still need the 24 frames for better spacing. Prove me wrong.
you keep hiccuping. I did't say anything about animating in 2s = 12 fps is wrong. all im saying is you need to mention 1s = 24 fps and thats not clear in there.

>2 he means that if you expose a painting 2 times means it is there for 2 frames. How do you count?
to me it sounds likes hes saying every new drawing (which is the unique drawing (1))(per drawing) has two exposed drawings in between the unique frames like 1 1 1 2, when its 1 1 2.

>>2840465
no its not. you need to be clear with what youre saying. you dont just bring up 2s and not mention 1s and say animate it in 24 fps. thats fucking confusing.

>>2840477
> 1 exposure per drawing
> 1 exposure per drawing
>per drawing
>per
>per
> 1
> 1
do you see how retarded you just sounded?

>>2840488
>you dont just bring up 2s and not mention 1s and say animate it in 24 fps

What is there not to understand if i say animate in 2s with 24 fps.

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>>2840411

He did. He said he thinks animating on ones is almost always better.

>>2840433

Is there a lot of lead in your drinking water, perchance?

>>2840517
>If you are animating in 2s its basically 12 frames per second. However you absolutely want 24 for better spacing

>What is there not to understand if i say animate in 2s with 24 fps.
you are giving the impression that 2s in 24 fps is different from 2s in 12 fps.
>However you absolutely want 24
>However you absolutely want 24

when youre just being redundant, if you had mention 1s in 24 fps than this wouldnt have happened

>>2840531
>He did. He said he thinks animating on ones is almost always better.
he said its situational, you use both. this however has nothing do with 24 fps being the standard. he doesnt talk about 29.9 fps or anything higher being the standard or anything technical about that.

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>>2840533
literal fucking autist

>>2840539
so youre telling me theres a difference between 2s in 12 fps and 2s in 24 fps faggot kun?

>>2840538

Literally everybody else knows what people mean when they say 24 or 12 fps. Everybody understands. Everybody but you!

If I walk into ANY animation studio and talk about a sequence being animated at 12 fps or 24 fps everybody will understand what I mean.

Only a total pedant with OCD would confuse the issue.

And yes, sometimes animation IS done on 15 or 30 fps, though it's rare. The old equipment I used in school had settings for it.

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>>2840507
A drawing isn't an exposure and the reverse isn't true either. 1 exposure of 1 drawing does not equal 2 frames of animation, you nignoramus!

>>2840554
>Literally everybody else knows what people mean when they say 24 or 12 fps
what gave you the impression that i dont understand this?

>If I walk into ANY animation studio and talk about a sequence being animated at 12 fps or 24 fps everybody will understand what I mean.
>Only a total pedant with OCD would confuse the issue.
>And yes, sometimes animation IS done on 15 or 30 fps, though it's rare. The old equipment I used in school had settings for it.

youre going off subject m8. im just saying richard doesnt talk about technical fps shit, so stop talking.

>>2840563
im glad i never get to work with redundant verbose aspies like you. be clear or fuck off

>>2840604
nigger i literally quoted everything you said wrong. youre the one in denial.

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>>2840546
NO. You are just the only one retarded enough to understand it that way. You keep on insisting on showing of your lack of chromosomes.

>>2840621
what makes you think youre on better footing? give up while you still can. i mean at animation.

>>2840579
ever considered that you are an aspie that can't understand sentences that do not explain every single detail? Because you really don't understand anyone here. You keep on insisting that people here are wrong but they are only wrong because of your wrong interpretation. You should get yourself checked.

>>2840647
whatever you say dog, you guys are the professionals. i trust yall 100%.

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>>2840654
What are you waiting for. Leave

>>2840658
youve just been posting memes, what makes you think you have credibility big boi. im sure youre thinking about what reaction pic to post next rather than anything related to animation. give up.

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>>2840579
>"verbose"
>"redundant"
>"buzz words"

I spelt it out to you a couple times in fairly plain language. If you don't know something for sure just use a search engine instead of destroying the thread making a fool out of yourself

A drawing is a drawing, an exposure is an exposure of that drawing on film. I think we've derailed this thread enough tbqph-I won't pretend that I'm completely guiltless.

>>2840676
Well, there it is. Exposure is a real animation term, that everyone will now remember.

Class dismissed.

>>2840546
Yea 2s in 12fps would be 4s in 24fps, learn to math.

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Is stop motion appropriate here?
How'd I do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Szs87zIfUM&t=27s

>>2840816

Wow, that's pretty noice.

>>2840816
This is really nice, good stuff dude

>>2835233

Yea that's pretty cool.

It lacks polish though. You animate like you've got talent but you think you're too cool for school.

>>2836484

Looked better before coloring

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Testing out some poses for a punch animation.

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Which is better to invest time into learning (and maybe purchasing), TVPaint or ToonBoom? Is ToonBoom still the industry standard?

I was thinking of messing with TVP because it has bitmap drawing but now TB has that as an option too.

>>2841288

Toonboom in North America. TVPaint is big in Europe.

>>2840674
>cant prove his own point
>resorts to insulting
You are too desperate in proving you are superior dude. Get over your insecurities.

>>2840674
>>2840654
>>2840626
Jesus dude. Why do you need to throw a hissy fit? Just accept that you were wrong, shut the fuck up and get back to animating.

>>2841288
try the free version

I jumped around toonboom's products, since TB studio 8, and it always takes me a week or two to understand the UI. Just a heads up

>>2840755

>What is heavier? 1kg of feathers or 1kg of lead?

AMB streaming rn tbhfams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT2b0S7w3yI

Also new krita with audio for animation

https://krita.org/en/item/krita-3-1-2-released/

Y'all are dumb as fuck.

dumb question, but where is the eraser tool in tvpaint? there doesn't seem to be one.

>>2842435
That fucked me up too. Basically there is no eraser tool (or at least I couldn't find one). What you have to do is go to any of the normal tools like the brush or pencil and on the little settings area it'll be on "color" or something like that, you wanna click it and change the setting from color to erase. And then that tool will erase stuff instead of drawing. Don't know why they don't have a dedicated eraser tool, or maybe they do and I just don't know about it.

>>2843183
French softwares are always fucked up

http://1337x.to/torrent/1109783/The-Animator-s-Survival-Kit-Animated/

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test thing

>>2844911
Feels like there should be more of a wind up. The impact seems too much for it.

>>2844913
i know what you mean i think instead ill try slowing down the ball a bit, and study more batting refs

>>2844911
The force that he looks to exert on the bat is not enough to make that ball go that far.

>>2844911
More exaggeration.

>>2844911
good, blog?

Does anyone know where I can find a list of the release dates for Toon Boom? I'm planning on buying a perpetual license to the software but I want to make sure I don't buy it like a month before a newer version comes out.

How long does it normally take for someone to crack it? I could probably go on a torrent site to see when versions were uploaded and use that to estimate when the next version will come out lol.

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attempting a head turn

>>2847079
How long is this thing's neck?

>>2847448
http://www.animatorisland.com/animation-secret-getting-there-is-half-the-fun/

No neck, this is the exercise.

>>2847464
Ah, I see. Keep at it, Anon.

>>2844911
this is a nice attempt.

>>2847464

Nowhere in the exercise does the head dip as much as you have done.

>>2829455
did you just reference mother fucking prosnorkulus??? ...Still waiting on that sequel..

>>2847079
ye-but proportion man. Holy hell unless this thing is a Japanese demon or a giraffe I think you missed the difference in spacing between your picture and the example.. Sure its a cartoon thing, and its not completely drawn out but I don't think its ment to be flying around, its just an exaggerated head turn

>>2830701
you should spend more time working on your spacing instead

>>2838590
i can't even tell which way he's supposed to be moving

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>>2847696
>>2847540

Maybe, I'm really pushing though to experiment with the principles.

>>2838674
cool

>>2838674
can't wait to see finished.

>>2828749
Pretty damn good anon. Only thing I would even really recommend is some more facial movement.

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Gave up awhile ago, burnt out on animating and drawing in general.

>>2829035
But the way she moves doesn't even spell the word.

Is there a boom of popularity for the practice of animation? Maybe the sakuga enjoyment has created new interests in the community

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>>2849513
Another..

>>2849521
Damn dude, keep it up and you could get a job working on big titles like gumball

Has /ic/ ever tried to make a multi animator project together? Just curious.

>>2850798
I don't think so. I'd be down even tho I'm shit.

>>2850798
no but itd look like shit

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>>2828725
hey guys,id like to start practicing 2d traditional animation and im not sure where to even begin.
i have a scanner,various drawing medium and alot of printing paper.


can i get some advice for a guy trying to start up please?like what software i should use when i scan them in tips and stuff

(on a separate note can staples substitute the hole punches for the pages?)

>>2850798
I'd be up for it but lets be honest no one here animates.

>>2851430
you should build a lightbox if you want to do it traditionally, it's really easy to build without having to buy a lot of material. I built one with a cardboard box, glass from some picture frames and an old desktop lamp.

You also need to get a pegbar, again this is something you can diy quite easily. The pegbar needs to line up with the holes in the paper. Stapling papers together is not a good idea because you need to be able to rearrange them for inbetweens and changing timing etc.

You don't need any special software to scan it, I use Photoshop to turn the frames into a gif but I am sure there are other programs for that too.

lots of shit to learn from on youtube if you search for "traditional animation"

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>>2828725

Is there a crack for CACANI yet? I need it now.

>>2851430
learn to draw first

>>2851612
no ya don't, get gud

>>2851430
All you need. A 3 hole puncher, one of those things that can hold the paper after being 3holed, and a pencil. A light box only helps for inbetweening frames that resemble each other almost exactly, and most do without it. It's all about flipping. Holding frames between your fingers, and looking back at them constantly. while drawing the new frames.


Anyway. Animator survival kit. Get inspired, like seriously, have as much fun with it as possible, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRTRqkhrehrY9hJJcLVUeRQ (Very talented animator that goes over some good habits and techniques to catch up on ), and again. Motivation is key here. I don't care who you are, after 5 minutes of drawing the same character, you'll get bored if not motivated or inspired enough to keep going.

>>2851775
Very productive.

>>2851783
>Very productive.
Funny it is, even in the animators survival kit he explains at length how you need to be able to draw in order to animate, if >>2851430 jumps right in before even having the basics down they're probably just going to be met with frustration and won't get very far.

>>2851430
I scan. I'll tell you my setup, but you probably won't like it.

>Opentoonz (Windows)
>Download FFMPEG support for exporting of gifs+webms
>Scans processed as jpegs (at least with my scanner)
>Use ezimba to convert to png, then make into transparency and actual black and white (make sure you convert to png first or you'll get a shitton of subtle grays you don't want)
>Load columns from locations on harddrive instead of the software-specific locations
>Name png files as [whatever]00001.png, [whatever]00002.png, etc
>Use Browser tab and rename option so that your drawings appear as one layer and don't need to be put into separate columns

Not for the faint of heart, but it works for me. It'll suck for a while before you understand how to do it

>>2851612
CACANI sucks, draw on paper

what are yalls thoughts on Animate CC?

>>2851822
It's sad because I think it's the simplest to learn and doubles as a self-contained programming engine, but it's not very good for animation primarily because of its brush which they still haven't changed and show no interest in changing despite their users pleading with them for over a decade to do so. It's better than all previous iterations of Flash but it's still less than ideal for a variety of reasons.

Toonboom is the industry standard for a reason, but it's much more intimidating than Animate.

Luckily Adam Phillips has an awesome tutorial on it he released a couple months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duza1C0kHYw

>>2851832
different anon, thanks for the TB tut!

>>2851832
interesting, i think i can see what you mean. I recently downloaded it as a means to teach myself animation. (watching Jazza's tutorials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iXSQ8VcPcU)
so far i like the the ease and the workflow. could you elaborate on the problem with the brush? is it that it turns your lines into weird vector shapes? ive been sorta struggling with it but I thought maybe i was just bad and didnt know how to use it right.

i considered toonboom, but im a total beginner. like you said, i was intimidated. thanks for linking the tutorial.

>>2851851
Yeah, it's mostly that the brush is obscenely bad. When you use TB and compare it to Animate/Flash it's like night and day. TB also has nice features like the ability to quickly swap out colors, create contextual color palettes, fill particle drawings just by lassoing them etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q19QNBkh0Y (skip to about 16 minutes to topical portion of the video-and then subscribe to the guy's channel because it's great)

How come the brush for flash mx is miles better than anything else they've done since?

>>2851870
As an addendum, he's using the default brush settings. I think if you turn the smoothing setting down to like 10% or some really low number like that it's a bit better, but still not great.

>>2851870
wow, yeah this channel IS great, thanks. glad i found this thread. I'll keep teaching myself using flash for now, but i'll probably jump ship once i feel comfortable with the basics of animating.

>>2851588
>>2851783
>>2851788
>>2851795

thanks for the advice all of you and i will take it,ill look into getting a punch ,and the flipping method.

as for the lightbox guy,that seems like a pretty worthwhile project to get into,but ill just practice the basics as is for a bit.
>>2851775
i agree,learning to draw fully will be rather helpful in this process,but as it currently stands i just want to learn animation and gestures alongside my unending climb of studies loomis and "git gud".I just feel like people whom hard commit to stuff like that without practicing what they started along this path for end up burning out easily,so im still just gonna go through with this

>>2852005
i will get frustrated no matter what,when that happens ill break practice fundamentals some more then ill come back feeling better

>>2835233
man I love all the shit you post

New Sinix video. I think 2 people from here are in it.

https://youtu.be/TEcdmLiHehY

>>2852190
>people spoonfeeding Sinix content to put on his shitty channel

Disgusting

does anyone know if hanepen works with osx sierra?

>>2852838
yes

>>2832232
Although the cuts to black fit with the timing, it would just be a smarter idea to tie jumpcuts to them instead of flashes to black. Or replace them with scenes of something else happening in the story, so we know there's a reason why this character is in this situation.

>>2850798
>>2850862
>>2851487
Anyone wanna do it? I could make a new thread for it. Someone can post an initial one second of animation and then people can keep adding on to it as much as they like.

>>2853688
I'm down for this

>>2853657
very clever
Ill consider that
thanks

>>2851795
your method is triggering me

there has to be a better way to get paper drawings digitized on demand in 2017

>>2840816
what, this is really cool.

>>2840816
Love it. That fuckin zyzz pose made me kek. Are u also a /fit/ bro?

>>2840816

zyzz the movie

>>2854767
Yeah, though I haven't been lurking there for a while.
>>2840834
>>2840835
>>2854487
>>2854982
Glad you guys liked it.

>>2854947
cute

>>2854947
a saviour appears just as the thread ends, blog?

>>2855042
>>2855129
thanks.

no blog atm. I need to make a new one

>>2854947
Yo I dig this. Esp. love those lines. Are you using clip studio?

>>2854947
I like your shading.

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>>2854023
I'm sure there is. I just saw the opportunity of the open source software, started getting used to it, and figured it's probably better for the moment to mod my stuff and get a personal rhythm going instead of just throwing a shitfit and pirating ToonBoom. Plus the levels and stuff obviously lets me do a lot more than just importing the scans.

I don't know if I've ever posted this one on /ic/ or just /co/. This isn't quite Annecy-level form I'm employing right now.

>>2855931
I know tvpaint has a scan cleaner tool that will automatically clean up any sequence of scanned jpegs, (tvp 10 is easy to pirate, i think its in the op links)

>>2855931
>>2855964
Actually scratch that, I was playing around with that tool and it doesnt work how i thought. I hope you find an easier process eventually

>>2853688
/co/ did and it was pretty kino