30 years of drawing and this is the result.. There is no God.

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>>2828088
Why do you care?

>>2828088
Why does he do this when he has the technical skill to do other things? I know he's got his fucked up brain problems but jesus, man.

>>2828088
where did he touch you this time?

>>2828100
It looks like he was just fucking around with silhouettes this time. People just need to stop scrutinizing every little piece of art he produces when he's experimenting.

>>2828088
I personally like it, although for all the planning the anatomy could be better

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>>2828088
Sycra? Sycra.

>>2828100
>why does he do what he wants with the skill he developed and not what I want him to do?

>>2828088
I'm not part of this sycra meme but this is actually nice

>>2828088

Can anyone upload his patreon shit?

>>2828088
Sycra's work just keeps getting worse and worse.

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>and this is the result..

Do you think that art is just a progression of one great drawing to the next? A steady upward trend where every new drawing you did is better than the last drawing you did? Even skilled artists will produce bad art sometime, particularly when they're experimenting.

Once you reach a certain point you too will be presented with a choice: Continue grinding realism or experiment and stylize. No matter which you do, someone's going to shit on you. Even if you continue grinding realism, progress will slow significantly after a certain point when you've got the fundamentals locked down. If you stylize, the style you choose will be enjoyed by some and hated by others (Sycra did develop a particularly unpleasant style though).

In either case the difference between a guy who has been drawing 1 month and one who has been drawing 1 year will be orders of magnitude more significant than the one who has been drawing 20 and the one who has been drawing 30. The hurdles of learning the fundamentals turn into the slow steps of refining (or trying to play with) them.

>>2828088
Sycra said he is incapable of producing images in his brain.

>>2828399
Ihave a couple links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJZfVh83fnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmY2wWpvHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LGxnyVWia0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qs6A-oxBTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2NUIchyxoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6I92rS1sW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBhlqE0N9Qc

>>2828476
I'm the same but that's no excuse to draw some ugly as hell monkeys.

After seeing that personal story video you can tell the dude has some severe issues.

Also reminder that being able to portrait 3D shapes in a flat piece of paper has nothing to do with your taste, sense of humor, ambitions, goals, attitude. Many struggle for years to get good only to realize that they didn't build up on all the other important stuff.

>>2828498

danke

Futa Nightcrawler

>>2828516
What's that supposed to mean? No, seriously. I have no idea what you're trying to say in your post. You mean that focusing on the fundamentals is nothing if you don't have a creative mind to begin with or what? I can't wrap my brain around what you said. Please elaborate.

>Also reminder that being able to portrait 3D shapes in a flat piece of paper has nothing to do with your taste, sense of humor, ambitions, goals, attitude. Many struggle for years to get good only to realize that they didn't build up on all the other important stuff.

Please respond.

it seems more like he choose to do this face instead of a pretty pin up girl face.

>>2828498
I feel bad for him

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>>2828616
god no

>>2828566
Art is for communication. You're supposed to convey ideas through it.

But a lot of artists practice and practice every day without having something to say. Sycra seems like this. He said that he wanted to draw well to get approval and fame.

There is idea among many artists that if you get "good enough" you won't have to worry about what you're saying. It shows in his art. There is technical value in it, but not an ounce of humor or edgyness or fear or personality. He is not really saying what he thinks. These artists want NOT to think about what they are saying. Just that they are saying it "beautifully".

But after getting to certain skill level the realize how empty their well done art really is. The branch to "stylize" and give life to it. This is why we get aberrations like OP's portrait.

This ugly ass stylization is the result of having NOTHING to say. It means that he knows that he has nothing to say and it's grasping and experimenting, hoping to get something interesting. But not anything from the world or human experience. Skill for the sake of skill is just masturbation, and he feels this but the denial escapes into nasty and gross abstractions.

As Chuck Jones said: "It doesn't do you much good to draw unless you have something to draw, and the only place to get something to draw is from outside that head." Or that quote “In order for art to imitate life, you have to have a life.”

Art is an extension for your humanity, not a replacement.

In my opinion you don't want to wake up one day realizing that you spent 10000 hours of your life trying to refine artificial imaginary experiences on a canvas while the rest of the world got to actually live them.

It's ok to let go of the idea of improvement as long as you use art to enrich life, not to replace it.

Let go Sycra, time to let go...

>>2828616
this shouldn't be possible!

Sycras a weirdo, he makes videos for children and weirdo nerds. If you were serious about art you'd ignore this guy. Whatever segment of /ic/ it is that's watching his videos or following his work please do us all a favor and stop. I'm serious.

>>2828088
>that rendering
>those shitty lines
god this honestly makes me scared for the future

>>2828088
GO FUCKING WORK ON YOUR ART, YOU LAZY FUCK

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What about this

>>2828626
This is the truth.

>>2828626
>you spent 10000 hours of your life trying to refine artificial imaginary experiences on a canvas while the rest of the world got to actually live them.

ironically, artists are probably some of the only non-super rich people who actually do have the time to experience life outside of grinding a 9 to 5 job and then binge drinking or watching netflix on the weekends. I'm really not sure what amazing things you think regular people are experiencing on a daily basis. Almost everyone is stuck in their own little loop of day to day grind.

>>2828616
Holy fucking shit my sides

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>>2828685
NOOOO!

>>2828685
HAVE THE MEMES GONE TOO FAR?

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>>2828685
stop drawing anime.

I really like this family of memes /ic/ has cultivated.

>>2828692
kek

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>>2828866
Jesus, and here I was missing the collab threads

>>2828685
is this the logical conclusion of /ic/ memes?

>>2828088
>30 years of drawing
you mean
>did water color paintings throughout middle/highschool in art class
>mom and dad bought him a wacom tablet
>"draws" every other week on illustrator/Photoshop when he's not out with his normie friends doing normie shit

>>2828866
is like they were made to be together...

>>2828866
what have you doonnneee

>>2828685
/ic/ new mascot

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>>2828866
That's some Jojo's shit right there

>>2828606
I found myself feeling the same. I can't even mock his stuff anymore. I see those videos and just feel a bit sad.

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i wanna draw like the guy on the left.

>>2829086
don't tell me that is actually Sycra's "progress".

>>2829086
if that's actually his progress, jesus christ how horrifying

>>2829086
That's a guy?

>>2829086
I think they are two different people, guess it goes to show how far drawing in a shitty style can get you.

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>>2829106
I mean look at this

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and this

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even his girls are so edgy that you'd not want to put your penis into whatever it is. literally blows my mind, as to how bad he still is after all these years.

>>2828616
where is this from? I know it's from a stream or whatever that proko did, but where's the video?

>>2828866
kek

>>2829114
It's unlisted in YouTube, you'd need to find the link to see this mastapiece

>>2829114
I dont understand the meme as well, can someone explain it to me?

Wow the amount of projection in this thread is hilarious, the guy just draws pictures, who cares. Or at least I don't, but for some reason you guys care enough to read into some drawings coming to conclusions that only say anything about yourselves.

As far as the pretentious dumbass who claims this artist has nothing to say for moving into more stylization needs to get of their high horse. This artist says enough through portraiture as much as any other artist that speaks through portraits.

I'm not defending this guys art, not a big fan, but damn are you guys petty

>>2829086
but the left is a painting not a drawing.

>>2829109
>>2829110

looks like his multiple personalities

so can /ic/ draw better than sycra?

Talent is real
It's called taste

>>2829086
>>2829375
I would rather taste the pussy of the girl on the left than the one on the right t b h.

>>2829086
He actually managed to improve backwards, the absolute madman.

>>2829086
>when the 90's hit

>>2829086
Sycra was actually once good? No way. THat left is top class as an anime artist.

>>2828088
I think this is what happens when you over-value shape construction.

>>2829998
After this and Proko's frogaroo, how will constructitards ever recover?

>>2828895
you mean having a life?

>>2830012
what do you mean? Literally every good artist uses construction. The only difference is some do it in their head while others do it on paper. How else could you ever draw 3dimensional objects in perspective?

>>2830053
Sight size / French academic system is about copying shadow shapes rather than constructing figures. Its what the Bargue method is all about, and even though /ic/ is obsessed with Loomis and Vilppu, countless successful artists have used those methods throughout history. Construction vs sight size ultimately boils down to optical vs. structural approaches to drawing.

>>2830085
I was assuming you were talking about artists who draw from imagination, considering you mention Sycra and Proko who are both terrible at doing that. Sight-size is completely useless for anything other than copying what's in front of you so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. Proko is fairly good at copying what's in front of him using his construction method. That's why we are making fun of him, because there's such a huge discrepancy between his skill at drawing from imagination vs drawing from observation. If he used sight-size, it would be even worse.

>>2830100
Sight sizing works perfectly fine for imagination drawing. You just imagine your subject in terms of value, light, and shadow shapes instead of as a combination of simple 3d shapes. Then you take your imagination and copy it to the paper.

>>2830102
>You just imagine your subject in terms of value, light, and shadow shapes instead of as a combination of simple 3d shapes.
Wait, seriously? This sounds more like what I do than using simple 3d shapes. How do I get started on the path of sight sizing?

>>2830103
Look here: https://www.sightsize.com/learn/memory-drawing/

>>2830102
haha. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. The human mind does not work like a fucking projector. No one imagines something perfectly in their head and then starts copying it using fucking sight-size measurements, you dumbass. If you want to draw from imagination, you need to understand the perspective of your scene and construction is merely a way to simplify complex shapes to make it easier for the artist to figure out how they sit in space.

>>2830106
>The human mind does not work like a fucking projector. No one imagines something perfectly in their head and then starts copying it using fucking sight-size measurements,

You would be surprised at what the human mind is capable of. Ever heard of a "photographic memory"? It's something that can improved through training.

> If you want to draw from imagination, you need to understand the perspective of your scene and construction is merely a way to simplify complex shapes to make it easier for the artist to figure out how they sit in space.

That's certainly one approach to drawing from imagination, but it is not the only, and not necessarily even the best approach.

>>2830102
Nigga wtf? I'm a sight-sizing master and I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>2830120
Use the sight sizing techniques, except this time the "sight" is your mental vision of your imagination, not the optical vision of reality. Warning: you will need to build up your visual imagination before you'll be able to pull it off.

>>2830126
Can you post an example of your work using this technique? Because you are literally the first person to ever suggest this. There has never in recorded history been an example of an artist who drew from imagination using sight-size.

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>>2830126

Literally no one does this.

>>2830157
like a clockwork

>>2829111
His girl's are LITERALLY edgy. If you finger that bitch it'll be the same thing as putting your fingers in the paper shredder. Not to mention her nipple cutters.

>>2830126

Epic bait

>>2828626
>But a lot of artists practice and practice every day without having something to say.

This is why fan-artists and porn-artists exist. The internet is full of them.

>This ugly ass stylization is the result of having NOTHING to say.

This is incorrect. His stylization is him communicating. Sycra's issue is his self-hate, which people like you feed into because you call shit you don't agree with "ugly". So he can never make up his fucking mind on what he likes. Your opinion ultimately worthless when it comes to his style.

>>2830118
>Ever heard of a "photographic memory"? It's something that can improved through training.

It's neurologically impossible. When you are imagining a imaginary object like a monster or spaceship, you are actually flickering between several iterations of the design with only the general shape of the image remaining consistent but the details changing.

That's try when you design, you have to brainstorm first.

>>2829129
So I mostly lurk on here but I've been meaning to ask this for awhile? Why does /ic hate Sycra so much? Like I get it I used to look up to him a but like 3 or 4 years ago. Not anymore I think he's gotten super preachy and over the years his channel became less about helping people learn and more about personal bullshit but still. I never understood the vitriol here?