/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

I might go shopping for art supplies tomorrow, what should I get? I currently have:
>0.3 mm mechanical pencil
>relatively empty A5 block
>relatively empty A3 block (but it has a weird texture mostly for paint)
>old box of graphite pencils (9B, 8B, 6B, 5B, 4B, 2B HB, F, H)
>weird KOH-I-NOOR versatile 5347 graphite holder pen
>assorted soft(?) pastels
>standard vinyl eraser
>an inutuos 3 (but I'm focusing on paper to start with)
>literally no way to sharpen a pencil
>no common sense

I was thinking of getting one of those extendable erasers since they seem to have a pretty small area so you can precision-erase things, are those good?

>>2823486
you only need a pencil and paper. buy it from china you fucking consumerist.

>>2823486
Get charcoal (vine, compressed, pastel, pencil).

>>2823497
whoa buddy this is a beginner thread, no need to show off

>>2823497
You forgot her ears

>>2823497
blog?

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i want to cry. how do i stop doing the chicken scratches?

>>2823486

I'd say go with just some basic 2B pencils, a good eraser, a few felt tip pens and a decent weight maybe 60 lb. paper sketch book.

That's literally all you need atm.

If your going to be mainly looking to work digitally, skip the pastels and the rest of that stuff.

Stick with the basics.

>>2823508
Stop being an unconfident nervous wreck.

>>2823509
Variations in graphite never hurt

>>2823508

I have the same problem, redraw the eye a few times, but draw each line in one stroke, chicken scratch isn't necessarily bad when coming to sketches, but for a finished product you want quick, clean, crisp, readable lines.

>>2823508
by not doing them.
>signing your name
fucking worthless scum

>>2823512

2B I'd say is the best to begin with. I have a info-graph with 9 - 10 point value tutorial where it shows which pencils should be used for each darkness point in the tutorial.

Although I was taught to begin with to use the bare minimum tools, and then we worked our way up to more tools, but honestly, 85% to 95% of the time it was just a 2B pencil, pen and paper, that's it, nothing else to help grind through fundamentals.

>>2823509
Thanks, but how am I supposed to sharpen my pencils?

>>2823508
draw longer lines and rotate the image for more difficult angles

>>2823521
With a knife

>>2823521

Buy a nice pencil sharpener, one of those steel ones at the art store with the 2 different holes to put it in, usually they have the fancy German steel razors already put in, and that's what I use, the cheap ones are crap.

I have seen people do it the old fashion way with hand sharpening their pencils with a single razor or knife though. When I lost my sharpener on a camping trip, that's what I did.

>>2823525
With like, a mora knife? Or a scalpel? Or my kitchen knife?

Loomis vs Keys to drawing for beginners? Multiple sources have both as start points but I can't even shapes yet.

>>2823530
Then do drawabox

>>2823530

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, skip Loomis for now, do this if you can.

>0.1: Draw-a-Box (draw from the shoulder when doing the exercises)

>1: Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

>2: Keys

>3: Loomis

>>2823530
Keys is for the absolute beginners to change the way they look at things. To start learning how an artist sees things.

Loomis is after that.

>>2823533
What's after Loomis?

>>2823532
>>2823533
All of draw a box or just the shapes segment? Keys to drawing doesn't mention shapes like Loomis does expecting you to know them, but I assume it's still needed for the exercises?

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i know i'm kinda late to the party

Would doing Keys to rewrite my mind when it comes to drawing, combined with Vilppu exercises, work out?

>>2823535
Oops, meant to reply to you here too. >>2823541
Don't want you to think I ignored you .

>>2823541
All of drawabox. Creator removed figure drawing section, but that doesn't mean you can't do the rest. It's dynamic sketching by Peter Han but tl;dw.

>>2823541

If you are an "absolute" beginner or even decent, I'd say go through all of them, solidifying and reinforcing the fundamentals is never a bad investment.

>>2823486
get toned paper and a white gel pen/pencil/acrylic paint
its much faster to do values if you start with a mid-toned paper

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>>2823463

>>2823555
This is so fun, I did this recently and it's more fun than doing graphite or charcoal rendering. It just feels like your drawing pops out when you get to a certain stage. It's amazing. Although, I think it's useless to learn, isn't it? Like, I don't see how this skill transfers over to anything. I guess by rendering with light instead of shadow? I don't know. I have yet to put it to use in digital.

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I know it's kinda crooked heh

Does anyone else ever worry about improving too much and getting too good? I'm worried I won't be able to handle the fame and money

>>2823562
Do you ever worry that at some point you won't be able to shit these threads any worse?

>>2823562
I worry I'll spill my spaghetti every single day when I'm good, yes. Like how am I supposed to hold a conversation if I met Proko? I just can't.

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>>2823565
Thanks! I just didn't understand the "don't erase your mistakes", could you explain please?

For now I'm learning gesture but I have no clue about anatomy yet, so I'm just trying to apply the basics I know and get the general feeling of her.

Some more gestures I tried:

http://imgur.com/a/5xh0N

>>2823569
It's a certain technique in Keys that you just draw over until it's correct or pump out constant iterations of the same drawing until it's correct. Either way, you'll get better at proportions.

>>2823569

Sorry I deleted that, I noticed the huge grammar mistakes and shit.

The point of not erasing is so you can visibly see your mistakes, learn from them and keep those recurring problems in your drawings under control and keep them in mind when drawing the next image. One of the reasons most teachers tell students to begin with pen rather than pencil, is so they can slow down and think about each line they are going to draw strategically and building up their skills in visual measurements.

I've seen those images you linked before, I'd say stick with the thinner lines than those thicker ones.

>>2823572
restating, got it, thanks!

>>2823572

>you just draw over until it's correct or pump out constant iterations of the same drawing until it's correct.

>draw over until it's correct

I've found that it's hard to tell what is what and where the actual mistakes were, unless you erase them.

>pump out constant iterations of the same drawing until it's correct.

Found through practice this a better approach, though longer and much more agonizing, it gets the job done better, because you slow down and study the subject in greater detail.

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>>2823448
Recently, I've been having a lot more fun drawing and with art in general because I've been drawing from imagination and only doing loose studies and gestures. It feels great, but I'm worried that my fundamentals are waning because of it. How do I balance doing studies and imagination work?

Also what are some good beginner (cheap) tablets? I feel like I've done as much as I can so far with just a mouse

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>>2823585
fuck forgot to resize sorry

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Doing some work with Vlippu's drawing manual trying to get the flow of a person down. Am I practicing right?

>>2823599
If you don't feel the form, you ain't doing it right, anon.

>>2823558
i dont really get your point, you can just go with a toned background in digital
Its not useless to learn at all, it should be the same thought process as if rendering on a white surface

Guys i'm beginning to go to /notreallybeginner/. Now for the important stuff, how do you design a good signature to plaster over my mediocre work?

>>2823610
>good signature
Fundamentals, same shit. Master study a master's handwriting and then apply to your name.

You gotta make sure you got line weight, proportions, composition, and more correct.

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>>2823558
here are some studies i made - when i draw digitally, the first thing i do is always making the background gray
i also use a sketchbook with toned paper, i only draw gestures on white paper, because its cheaper.

>>2823610
do a qt symbol of a rabbit or something instead

>>2823610
Begins with having a good name.

>>2823618
>Begins with having a good name
That's where I failed. My initials LR don't really work together well.

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How long until an absolute beginner like me can draw this good?

>>2823646
How long something takes depends on how much effort you're willing to put in.

>>2823646
2 years to do it confidently

>>2823646

Damn, that's gay as fuck.

5 years ish. Most of the well known digital painters can't draw figures from imagination to this level.

>>2823646
a few years of drawing, but a lifetime of unrestrained homosexuality

If drawing smirking manly faces is art then I'm already a master

>>2823672
Post your work

>>2823660
When you get fucked by bears for years it's easy.

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>>2823448
Do I got what it takes, I started agin the other day. (Again) i'm gonna try and quit jerking off, and do something productive.

>>2823701
Nah, anon, you gotta keep the fapping sessions up, they kill productivity if you don't. Also, it's shit because it's on lined paper and not resized but not too bad. Keep it up.

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how can I improve my 2 min gesture drawing?

>>2823704
Nah man, I gotta stop fapping, been doing it too much, and I don't feel good afterwards. Morally. Thanks.

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how can I improve my 2 min gesture?

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I drew Big Boob June

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Here's my "progress". Can't even draw a straight line, but I'm not going to let that discourage me. I also don't know if it's a problem that my pinky finger rests on the paper? Or that I sometimes shift the paper to move at an easier angle?

Anyway. Sorry for the totally boring post.

>>2823742
No, you just have super shitty motor control. Don't worry. I grinded this exercise for like two weeks straight and got really good at drawing straight lines and circles. Although, drawing a line across a whole page height size is still pretty difficult.

My hands shake a lot when I'm trying to draw. How do I remedy this?

>>2823746
By drawing a lot.

>>2823722
now time to draw yourself reading the sticky

>>2823761
Kek

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Today was birds. It started as dogs but it quickly changed. The problem I'm starting to experience is how to add color and shading at the same time so I spent a lot of my time doing differing strokes and techniques to try to see what works and what I like. Cones eventually became very helpful.

>>2823784
Oh, and I've started to learn from professionals and tutorials on how to shade eyes properly as well.

Doing the drawabox lines practice, should I be doing this on a tablet?
It's really easy to draw over the straight line because it has an indent in my paper already

>>2823803
no tablet
draw on paper lighter, no indent

>>2823807
Thanks
This has made me realize how much I fucking press down on my pen when I'm drawing, jesus christ
Maybe this is why my wrist hurts real bad when I draw for a while

>>2823819
yeah i use a feather touch most of the time and while my off-hand wrist hurts from holding the paper, my writing hand is fine after even an hour.

>>2823761
What's a sticky?

>>2823833
how new are you

I want to draw boner wrestlers like >>2823646 so badly. So many western artists suck or have the dicks too big or small. I even commissioned the artist but he's slow, it might be a year before he finishes. Why must my desires make me suffer?

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hand

>>2823844
>half assed hand hiding
>half of it out of frame
Take this to the trash you lazy fuck

>>2823715
Study anatomy.
>>2823557
Use a smaller brush and spend more time carefully looking at the reference
>>2823585
It's fine to draw for fun, but if you want to seriously study you have ti have some degree of discipline. It takes a lot of patience at first, but studing shouldn't be a chore if you're passionate about art.
I wouldn't recommend getting a tablet if you're a beginner, it's much easier to practice traditionally, and cheap tablets are frustrating.

>>2823852
no eye for arrangement

>>2823874
not that anon, but I don't really see how drawing barely half a hand will help with drawing the whole hand since everything is connected and it's so flexible and fluid.

>>2823880
it is for fun

>>2823884
Ah, okay. Not sure if you're that anon but next time make sure that you say that it's for fun or something because people will assume it's a "trying to git gud" drawing.

>>2823533

Speaking of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, I've just hit the part where all of the exercises are starting to use the view finder thing.

Should I just get the one off her site or is there another one that's recommended?

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So I did the first drawabox excercise doing lines and drawing over them
Two things I have to say
1.) Fundamentals really aren't as boring as I thought they'd be, especially when eventually I'll be able to only focus on them for half an hour before drawing
2.) My lines are all wobbly shit, though some were better than others. I just wanna make sure I'm doing this right, and that this level of wobble is okay for a beginner. It's all good, right?

>>2823894
Not bad. I'd recomend you to post these on his subreddit though. They have more of an eye with what's wrong with them. We are more geared towards critiques for peoplease who finished keys or Right Side.

But other than that looks good. Keep at it.

>>2823891

Just buy one, I personally made mine from some black matte boards I bought at the art store, measured and cut with one of those Exacto Razor Blade scalpel things.

I then bought a cheap glass frame that I was lucky to find, as it was the exact same size as my view finder.

Whatever works for you personally, if it's the correct size for the assignments, I say go for it.

>>2823894

Are you doing these exercises from your shoulder pivot?

>>2823899
Thanks, I'll give that a shot. I'm going to start on Keys/Right Side when I'm done with Drawabox, does that sound appropriate or should I be doing them concurrently?

>>2823902
Yeah, I am. I actually had to take a break after this because I could feel it in my shoulder, so I didn't wanna cause any strain.

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>>2823451
I tried drawing this guy but only just now realized his right eye is too high. bleh

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>tfw when you notice more and more mistakes in a drawing

>>2823905
Sounder good. I'd recomend keys for you my friend. Have fun!

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Just tell me what went wrong..

>>2823599
>>2823614
>>2823701
>>2823711
>>2823715
Why do people like to draw multiple sketches on one page? It looks like fucking shit, stop. One sketch per page.

>>2823950
Because most people don't have autism and would rather not waste excess paper trying to make their sketchbook pages look "good" even though sketches are for practice and not for looking good.

>>2823585
Keep drawing from imagination, but use construction techniques, like loomis has for head and figures, and use perspective information, and then practice the those fundamental techniques on your imaginary characters.

>tfw ultimate zero drive insta-burnout neet
I'm just gonna set a goal of one image a day no matter how shitty and eventually it will be enough of a habit to build on.

>>2823819
draw from your shoulder, not from your wrist.

>>2823916
>tfw the mistakes pile up even though you're trying your best to correct it

>>2823950
>implying we should care about how practice sketches should look in a personal sketchbook and not try to save paper

>>2823959
>one image a day
You'll probably just end up doing the bare minimum for what you'd constitute as an image without pushing yourself out of your burnout.
I'd recommend setting an amount of time a day as your goal instead, even if it's just 30 minutes to start and slowly build up once your comfortable with that.
That way at least you know you'll be putting in a more consistent amount of work in.

how the fucking balls are /beg/ threads moving so fast these days

>>2823508
>new layer
>drop opacity of old layer to 20%
>draw single lines on top on new layer
>if lines look wonky, increase brush size
>repeat until you draw good lines
>remove unnecessary details

>>2823993
It's the new year, all us noobs decided to git gud this year, they'll be slow again by April

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painting is hard, lads

Found an old intuos small. How do you people draw on this shit?

>>2823999
That's a weird way to spell "next week".

>>2824032
Vetyr, /ic/'s goddess paints on an intuos small. Just goes to show the hardware isn't everything.

>>2824027
apparently drawing is too in your case. check your forms

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Does this look appetizing? I would've posted this in the Alternative Art/Stylization General, but the bump limit has been reached. I would've made a new General thread, but I don't want to be the one to fuck up the OP.

How I draw humans with rapid viz/peter han method? I only see animals and vehicles drawn using this method. I know peter han draw humans often but I have no idea how since in both of Dynamic Sketching 1 and 2 videos he only draw animals and such.

>>2824126
Peter Han boils everything down to basic shapes. He also thinks of living organisms in three parts: the head, the torso, and the lower body. If I were to emulate his method when drawing people, I would draw basic shapes for each part of the body while keeping my proportions in check. Once the basic shapes are there, I would draw over them, this time going for the more realistic human details.

This all sounds pretty similar to Loomis, by the way. Was this a satisfactory answer or is there something more that you're trying to figure out?

>>2824135
Wow. That's good enough answer for me. True, it shows a lot like Loomis. Thank you very much anon. I'll have to practice now, of course!

I also found a video from this guy who uses the same method and I'll leave it here in case anyone wants to check out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdC4FoGYBY

>>2824142
Happy to help, anon. Keep on drawing!

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some asaro heads. can really see why people recommend these.

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do i improve at gestures

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Is this book legit or just a bunch of balooney? It's recomended but I don't really belive it can work

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fucking hell

I got tired after trying left guy's face, which isn't that good anyway, but I wasn't able to get his arm length right and the fuck ups just snowballed from there

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>>2824318
ref

>>2824321
don't trace

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>tfw want to be a dedicated loli yuri artist
>tfw anime face is okay but only aroused by realistic looking young female bodies
>tfw CP's are so scarce and difficult to obtain, let alone the ones with lesbian acts and poses
Damn, should I adopt a daughter at this point? Or 2 daughters?

>>2824323
wat

Pls no bully

>>2824313
The exercises do work, yes. Ignore the pseudoscience that's between them.

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>>2824119
Kinda talking out of my ass here but I'm going to try to offer some critique.

It looks kinda plasticy, for lack of a better word.
I think you might need to be moving your pallet around a bit more, it seems like you're just moving it straight down on brightness.

Marinara sauce should be a slight bit brown in the shade of it, and it's a little bit more orange than the plain red you have. you have it kinda layered on as a solid chunk, but it should get thinner toward the edges and make the cheese underneath a bit more orange. The sauce should also reflect light a little bit harder, the cheese you have in the middle looks straight up pure white, it should fade to a really dull, subtle yellow, and (at least in the image I posted), when it gets stretched thin, it becomes a very faint blue/grey. The chunks of meat should probably not be that visible, think about how the cheese would mold around them, remember that they're 3d. around the meat the cheese should get a bit darker, and the meat might have some cheese really thinly spread on top of it.

Hope this is some sort of useful for you since I barely know shit about rendering.

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>>2823448
What am I doing wrong here? Apart from the lack of eyes,eyelashes,eyebrows and hair which I have trouble with. (Anyone got any tutorials for those?)
(Will upload ref after)

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>>2824340

>>2824340
>>2824342
Can't you see for yourself?

>pupil placement is all wrong
>chin looks awkward, jawline is quite okay I guess
>lips could be sleeker and drawn better, draw upper lip and lower lip separately
>invisible nose bridge

>>2824345
Thanks you for the feedback, I should have added That I meant whats wrong in regard to my colouring.. it just seems off.

>>2824348
The coloring is fine, just erase a bit of the left cheek's shading and make the darker colors on the nose bridge even darker.

>>2824353
Ok then, thank you!

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Crit? Pls no Bully.

>>2823599
You are just drawing outlines, but with squiggly lines. That's not a gesture drawing.

To understand the idea think of a river. Right now you are drawing outline of riverbank, but gesture would be a flow, or current of a river. So, if you would draw a gasture of a river, you don't want to copy what oy see, but think what is going on underwater and try to map the currents. Sometimes they would pretty much overlap with outline of the river.

It's very similar to drawing a gesture of a human body. Just think of the force going through it and map areas of tension with "C" lines, and areas of release with "S" lines.

This is quite difficult concept so take time, and for now you can try and copy exactly lines Vilpuu makes and analyze why he dre it like that.

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Whenever I draw, i always use a reference picture that obviously shows the construction like pic related

I feel like there is some improvement in my construction, but I want to know if this is a bad habit and I need to branch away in order to memorise the construction instead of relying on other people's construction, is this true?

>>2823599
And always think what spine do. Gesture very closely folows flow of the spine, so try to think that figure is made of glass and draw spine with "C" and "S" lines

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I'm the anon trying to learn how to render basic forms. Last time an anon opened my eyes to the world of edges and studied them intensely, but I still feel I'm doing things wrong, please halp.

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>>2824357
Continuous contours tend to flatten out forms. Don't be afraid of letting lines overlap.

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>>2824345
Tried to follow your critique, any advice when it comes to doing hair?

>>2823943

She looks a bit pudgy

>>2824168
>the bridge of the nose is flat
I still don't understand this

>>2823950
>literally fucking despising trees

>>2824313
It works.

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More tomfoolery with perspective grids.

>>2824508
This guy's dedication to perspective bewilders me. Here I am just spending my days rendering and only getting better at value and form.

>>2824508

You don't have to do this much you know, I'm sure you're ready to start drawing qt animu girls now.

>>2824510
All fundamentals are important anon and I bet you would kick my ass hard in values.

>>2824515
I like this shit my man and there is still so much to learn about perspective.

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>>2824427
Final version.
Crit?
Pls no bully.

>>2824548

thanks mrs skeltal

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>tried to draw a tv show still
>symbol drawn to hell

bleh. I want to get better already so this stops happening, it's so embarrassing.

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>>2824580
ref

>>2824580
learn smart. Go watch proko eyes,nose and lips videos and study the fuck out of it. Then go watch his head construction videos. It's a simplified loomis. You can proceed to loomis books after you understand that or if loomis is too technical for you go watch Steve Huston head gesture video.

Make sure you study eyes,nose and lips anatomy and how to draw them from proko videos first before diving into head construction!

I just spoonfed you the fastest way I know to improve drawing faces. Take it or leave it but don't come back whining why you're not improving when you don't listen to people advice.

>>2824548


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VVU1mCwYiY

>>2823909
tiny nose and mouth
bad lines

but your eyes are atleast straight

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Bleh, going to try again later today, this came out like shit. Need to work on simplifying my lines instead of going over them multiple times.

>>2824580
symbol drawing etc.

>>2823916
Am I even allowed to as a beginner?
I didn't exercise too much so I am a noob.
But I read a lot and I've been looking at amateur/pro drawings a lot, and I notice a lot more mistakes
My own mistakes too

But i have a colleague who draws at work at break time
He is decent but he never learned any fundamentals or anything
He has really good lines, decent shading from 20 years of casual drawing
But I notice more and more mistakes(anatomy off here and there, shadows that don't make sense, stuff like this or when he tries to make it look more 3d but his understanding of forms is lacking and it's apparent to me now)

So nowadays, when he has a WIP or a finished thing
>hey what do you think
>I look at it for a half a minute or so
>uuuh...yeah, it's .. awesome

I know he hates when people point out mistakes so I just don't do it at all
Everyone praises him at work

>>2824682
Praise is the default expectation, if you ain't doing it you are an asshole. You only give critique if the person asks for it or if they're at a high enough level that their ego won't get in the way.

>>2824682
My question in the first line is because even though I see the mistakes I couldn't draw as well as him even if I tried (not yet at least)
So how am I supposed to justify me criticizing his work, when I am inferior

>>2824687
Okay, piont taken, no need to criticize unless asked for

>>2824682
next time he shows you a bad drawing, just take a pencil and draw over it, showing him his mistakes

Anyone got turtorials on how to actually work with a pencil, i know how to hold it etc..But my pencil work always looks dirty.

>>2824697
>not a red pencil that you just happened to have on you but have been actually planned for this very moment

>>2823537
The jews

>>2824704
Yeah, google has a ton. Like hundreds.

>>2824682
>>2824692
Reminds me of movie critics and such.
They couldn't make a movie necessarily but they can criticize one on an expert level
So why couldn't you?

>>2824682
Tell him to post to reddit or instagram. He can wipe shit on canvas and people will be all over it.

>>2824682
if you think he should study more just tell him, but in a way that's also a compliment, like
>dude you're pretty good, you should put in some serious studying, I bet you'd become fucking amazing

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idk why this looks so shitty.
i've been drawing seriously for ~2 months and still cant get basic fucking poses to look decent.
any and all pointers are appreciated.

So what's wrong with symbol drawing? Isn't deconstructing an object into shapes essentially symbol drawing? Aren't you supposed to be doing that?

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Holy shit this exercise is hard as fuck
It gave me so much frustration

>>2824458

You should sketch the face/shapes before just jumping to painting. You're not good enough to recognize the shapes outright and your value game is weak. I would honestly recommend taking some BW and working on rendering those out so you get a better idea of values. Also start with a sketch, even if it's very loose.

>>2824841
Go back to the fundamentals. It's obvious you dont have any understanding of shape or form, so drop the humans and go back to drawing cubes/spheres.
Also, do yourself a favor and pick up Keys to Drawing

>>2824841
2 Months isn't shit!

Try again in six months.

>>2824841
>2 months
there's no hope for you, quit now before you waste anymore of your life

>>2824887
>>2824894
>>2824897
cool. thanks

>>2824843
Nothing. IF you have control over it. Here's the thing the symbol that normal people use are the way the brain interpret complex shapes. That's why you see resemblance between drawings on the cave walls and children drawings they stick on the fridge.

To be become and artist you need to change the way you think which means stopping the brain from relying on these memories of symbols and start looking at the subject shapes and form.

Sounds simple but it's hard for a complete beginner. It takes time for most people and most people give up at this stage. It's like changing a habit you've picked since you were aware of your surrounding.

>>2824903
typo... typing on the phone is hard for a giant.

>>2824841
You shouldn't even be thinking of poses at this stage. Seriously, be smart and follow the sticky at least until you can think for yourself and find other source.

>>2824905
>he thinks learning how to draw comes in stages

>>2824841
I'm a beginner too, so I don't mean this to be insulting, but is your "style" making the characters look like they have downs syndrome?
The faces are ridiculously small

>>2824913
then im doing it right

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>>2824841
It looks like you drew a 5-minute sketch a week for two months. Do you expect any actual progress?

You mind sharing with us the things you did in-between? Studies or otherwise?

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>>2824919
i looked through the first few pages of a loomis book and thats it.
i dont really use references either
i just like making dumb drawings and couldnt figure out why that last one looked so much more off than my shitty "art" normally does

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>>2824919
also this is why i dont do noses.
fuck noses.

>>2824938
But the nose is the best part of that face...

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>>2824942
which says a lot about any chance i have of developing any ability to make something that would get me told, "go back to basics!"

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>>2824027

>>2824099
duly noted! gotta do more o' them Forms

>>2824911
Have fun struggling.

Having a structured learning is one of the fastest way to improve. But if you want to go blind go ahead. Not my time that you wasted.

>>2824913
It aint "style" if you don't have any control over it. It's just shitty drawing.

>>2824927
>>2824938
>>2824947
All you're doing is falling for the style trap too early. You have no idea of how things work in real life and that translates to some confusion as to why your art is still looking like dogshit despite not having a direct answer. You can either start the learning grind now or keep going the way you're going. You strike me as a person who'd take the second choice but prove me wrong.

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>>2824965
does any of that count as a style?
i just kinda draw a certain way for a while then, the way i draw changes and i can never go back.
any time i try to learn, the same thing happens, so i kinda gave up and decided to go for giggles instead of praise.
i dont wanna grind for praise of my artistic ability when i can grind out something like pic related in 7mins and get a laugh.
i just didnt know why the first one i put here looked so fucked, but i guess ill just never know, which isnt optimal, but oh well

>>2824971
That's totally fine! If you wanna draw for yourself, you do that. Like that anime tracing dude from last thread who didn't study at all but drew whatever said he had more fun than anyone else. You should hold on to that feeling and enjoy art for how you want to enjoy it.

Has anyone here started out symbol drawing but broke the habit? I wanna see what the progress change looks like

>>2825001
Everyone starts out symbol drawing. It's not something you're born with.

If you want to see what it looks like, then it's symbol -> real

>make new drawing
>suddenly all my old drawings look terrible even hough i thought they were somewhat decent

This makes me really afraid to expose my drawings.

>>2825006
then don't, keep that trash to yourself

>>2825008
but when will i know they are good enough?

>>2825009
when does the training swordsman feel he's ready to come down from the mountains?

>>2825009
give it 2 years then try.

>>2825009
just keep working and don't give up, bub. Craig Mullins said 90% of the artistic process is failure so keep failing until you start succeeding. It's the only way to get better. Learning to take critique and getting a mentor are good, too and will make you progress a lot faster.

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I'm want to draw a girl that's at the same time very angry and good looking.
Sadly I'm having some problems with proportions and (since I'm going for a bit more stylized look to make it cuter) Loomis can't help me.

Any tips?
And yes, I know it's very messy and needs cleaning up.

>>2825037
You should look up angry women faces on google and learn how to do portraits of those. Then learn how to take away unnecessary parts to make it look stylized to your liking. It's like reverse engineering.

>>2825037
anger isnt feminine or traditionally seen as attractive.

do the anime shadow over eyes thing

>>2825037
N-nosebro?

>>2825038
>>2825039
I'll try those ideas out, thanks!

>>2825042
Nope.

Books for perspective other than Perspective Made Easy? Or maybe some good exercises to practice perspective? I don't get it. I can't understand it.

>>2825054
What don't you get about perspective?
It's like not even that difficult of a concept to learn, it's difficult to be proficient in, but not learn.

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heya posted this a while ago wondering if it's any better. not finished still working on headdress :>

>>2825069
>a while ago
>tfw remember this
Dude, wasn't this literally months ago?

>>2825069
3d forms

>>2825072
I think it was the end of december? Lemme check my screen shots.

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>>2825056
If I knew I would fix it. It just looks funky.

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>>2825056
There's also this.

>>2825081
>>2825082
Yeah, probably because you're messy as hell. Perspective is all about being clean. Should keep that in mind when you practice more. Anyways, what are you even learning perspective for is the important question here. If you don't even know then learning perspective is kind of pointless. If you want to draw a cityscape, then look at a picture of one. You'll see how perspective plays. See what's different from an object in one-point perspective compared to one in two-point.

>>2824971

If you enjoy it and aren't looking to get to any professional point than all the power to you. But I wouldn't come in a thread saying "I've been drawing seriously for 2 months and learned nothing!" then basically refute that same post. If you want to get good the best thing is doing stuff you find hard to understand and figuring out what you don't know about it from people that know shit. It's going to look bad because you're actually not trying.

>>2825037

Stop stressing ugly wrinkle features on your angry girl for one, and don't jump the boat straight to details if you want to make it attractive, your head shape is already ugly.

>>2825069

Your shapes and depths are off. For example the ear doesn't look like it's deepened in, or concave, the way you did that value in the middle looks like there's some flab or bone sticking out. Also you should smooth your textures that aren't edges, and even some that are. It would also be to your advantage to probably color pick, or learn some theory, as it looks like your taking your darker colors into black which isn't what's happening in the photo. There's a distinct change in hue and value you're not applying well.

>>2825072
it was the beginning of january, 14 days ago :/

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Quick Study - Mostly to gain some line confidence and work faster.

>>2825086
what do you mean by color pick? I've been using the photo ref for color, and some light light blues for highlighting - what's a good way to learn color theory? Is it on the sticky?

>>2825089
left arm is off - shorter than ref image

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>>2824594
>proko

>>2825093
Yeah the anatomy is all off wack - didnt use any landmarks until like half way through.

>>2825075
could you explain a little further please?

>>2825086
this guy >>2824971
i would like to get good, and i legit spend ~6hrs a day drawing. but as i said, i randomly change """""style""""" and cant for the life of me do something i did the day before. i try to avoid stylizing, but i always end up making things look cartoony.
i spent 5 days doing eyes, and when i moved on to something else everything i learned disappeared from my brain.
so i gave the fuck up and just draw shit as it comes to me. as long as whatever i draw gets my joke across, im content.

>>2825090
color picking is when you use the color picker tool to take the exact color value of the pixel you pick from

>>2825094
So? He might suck at imagination but that's not what beginners suppose to start with. His videos on head construction and features anatomy is simple and easy to understand. Also it's free. Who give a fuck about his shitty imagination shit.

>>2823448

I attended attended a figure drawing class, am I allowed to post that here, or should I post it in the sketchbook thread, only about 3 to 4 pages, which spanned roughly 2 hours.

>>2825135
You can post anything here as long as you're not super good.

>>2825135
Just post here as long as your a /beg/ then its fine imo

>>2825119
is using the color tool bad? should I be using colors that I pick myself?

>>2825140
I'm as new as you are, but I've been berated for color picking before, I don't know if the other guys advice is good or not

>>2825135
>am I allowed to post that here

This is literally bottom of the barrel for /ic/. There is no lower thread to post in.

>>2825168
>What is Absolute Beginner Thread
>so low it's ignored

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>>2825137
>>2825139
>>2825168

>>2825172
Shame that it wasn't a serious thread.

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>>2825069
do you guys think it's improved at all?

>>2825178
is this loss?

>>2825257

What?

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the color changes look so sharp, it looks plastic an ugly

>>2825275
>tfw it actually looks pretty good

>>2825037
Frieza's pissed

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line quality is an unattainable dream
i should sever my hand and learn to shoulder draw with the stump

>>2825299
there's already some line weight understanding there you goddamn melodramatic double nigger fuck off

>>2825299
What >>2825307 said
If you just continue to draw a lot more, it'll come somewhat naturally.

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>>2825307
>melodramatic double nigger

>>2825307
>goddamn melodramatic double nigger fuck off
Love you /ic/

>>2825307
>melodramatic double nigger fuck off
this is art

>>2825299
You need some drawabox, he teaches you how to get line weight. It's basically going over it in the beginning, but eventually you get how to do it.

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>>2825089
Another study - spent a little more time on this one since I fucked up really bad on my first attempt

>>2825334
You kind of messed this one up really bad. Just looking at them side to side should tell you enough.

>>2824481
the light is supposed to coming from the top, hence the same value as the plane thats the middle of the forehead

>start doing fundamentals
>after an hour have to go to the bathroom
>have spent the next hour on the fucking toilet
fucking food poisoning is ruining my gains

>>2825348
It's not like beginners get much gains anyways. They don't know how to get good gains until they're more experienced.

>>2825334
>>2825089

Since you're calling these quick studies - are you sure you're spending enough time on these to really get the most out of them?

Don't rush it - take your time and be more critical. Hold your drawing next to the reference. Flip your eyes back and forth to see the difference, and correct it as needed.

Simplify, avoid shading darkest lights at this stage. Avoid giving the hair too much detail - a simplified outline works best. Avoid giving the face too much detail - try to get the tilt, lean of the head correct first.

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critique?

>>2824313
it's pretty fucking good

How much time a day should I be dedicating to the drawabox excercises?

>>2825406
5 hours and more each day every day. You have to really get good at them before you move on. A good foundation leads to an even stronger skill set.

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How are my lines

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>>2823463
>spend 5 minutes trying to measure out her figure
>10 minutes trying to get the outline of her head right
>10 minutes trying to put her face on without symbol drawing
>can't do it because I'm drawing too small or I'm just stupid or something

blah

also I watched the shit out of proko's facial feature videos and idk how i'm supposed to start shading if I can't even get the outline and proportions to look right.

>>2825427
Easy, just do random marks on the page to make sure the composition fits the figure. Then do a rough outline. Then come back and fix it up and make sure it's proportioned. Then go back and do the same thing until it's correct or you've spent a few hours. Now go render.

>>2825375
no one??????

>>2825001
It's not a gradual process. For me it just clicked.

>>2825444
Do you mind sharing any before/afters? I'd like to study the differences

>>2825375
hello??

>>2825438
>>2825487
quit fishing for (you)s with that poor bait

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Studying the skull to get better at animu...

>>2825544
I don't get it, you have the skull right there yet you misplaced all the features to the left. You sketching skills are amazing though anon, you look like you've been drawing for a year.

>>2825544
nice b8.

>>2825547
I been drawing seriously for about a year and half, how are the features misplaced though, maybe you could demonstrate your amazing skills with a redlining

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>>2825375
Margot's face is actually decent. What's not okay is her fridge body. If you want to do a caricature of her, draw her body.

>>2825418
clean

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Second time drawing a background in the past year

>draw the lay-in for the face
>everything seems to measure OK
>start placing features
>eye too far from nose somehow
>move eye down
>eye too far from side of the head now

Goddammit I wasted over an hour trying to make this shit work and it's just not happening

>>2825544
fucking splendid! I love your art and I can see the talent.

>>2825408
This is insane, don't listen

They're warmups. You do them BEFORE you do other drawings. Practicing from life should be the absolute main thing you do, your top priority.

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>>2825650
>Practicing from life

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This took me over an hour. If I submitted it to LAS would I get disqualified for low effort? I know it's shit, symbols, Loomis, vilppu, sticky etc, but I still think it might be good for me to try.

>>2825653
I would say no. I think it looks more than 30 min for a beginner and folks there rarely put anyone on tribunal these days.

If you are nervous about it, you could do a couple of gestures or some line/basic shape exercises and post them along with this drawing.

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Did some studys of the Human skull.
Opinion?

>>2825667
Are you the same as the other anon who drew the skull and anime girl? It's okay, keep practicing.

>>2825705
No, im am not...

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I don't think my art is an special but I'm glad to be doing something I enjoy at least

>>2825712
I'm happy that you're happy, anon. Anything about your art you want advice on? Are you reading or studying any art materials at the moment?

>>2825725
Well I wanted to learn how to draw anime. I'm going to take to learn how to make jewellery

>>2825731
What anime are you inspired by? I know each anime series has its own individual style different from the rest, is there a certain style you're aiming for?

>>2825572
nice foundation anon

>>2825757
>>2825757
>>2825757

NEW THREAD

>>2825757
>>2825757
>>2825757

NEW THREAD

>>2825757
>>2825757
>>2825757

>>2825712
You really should study your fundamentals - on this pic you look like a girl.

>>2825276
and the crits?

>>2823646
don't forget to consider suicide if you also want to draw the subject you showed in your pic