/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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are u man enough

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>>2806056
thread died on me.

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Any crit?

>>2808139
did you put any effort into this

>>2808140
Are you joking?

I put plenty of effort. Now Im getting pissed,

>>2808140
What is the definition of effort that is meant in your context?

>>2808140
You think people just don't put in effort? You think art is easy?

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>>2806057

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am i messed? cause it's ugly

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coming back to art after not drawing for over a year. err its better than my previous attempts but this time i really want to improve. where should i begin . ive done right side of the brain before but thought it was a waste. i want to learn planes and construction along with values and perapective and line quality. can i get pointed to the right direction. i know about the sticky and it covers most of what i need but where do i begin ? im not absolute trash but im not passing either...

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>>2808103
didn't get the angle right

>>2808165
You can begin where ever you want really, it just depends on what you want to be able to do.

The general recommendation for beginners is just to do drawing from life because they can't draw for shit, so it gives them mileage as well as an eye.

>>28081
Read Hampton's Figure Drawing, Design, and Invention, at least the section on heads.
I'm not sure if you're going for a stylized look, but from what I've learned of heads:
>The ears are not aligned with the head, nor is the rest of the face.
>The part of the nose bridge that connects with the brow is missing a key section.
>The brow is too arched, and the eyes have no eyelids. Also, the eyeballs are pointing in opposite direction (up and down), and they're too big relative to the sockets.
>The head feels a little small relative to the eyes and nose
>The mouth is bigger on one side and the lips are too thin. Also the upper lip is fucked. the lines coming down from the nose should connect with the peaks of the upper lip, not surround them.
>This guy has no lower jaw at all. It looks like his chin is connected directly to the zygomatic arch. He needs some Masseters in there.
>shoulders too tiny and close together

That's all I can see for now. The hair looks alright.

>>2808202
Meant to quote >>2808139

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No one likes my figures, but how about my portraits?

>>2808246
Whoa, holy shit, how do I get as good at portraits as you anon?

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>>2808249
Fluke it.

>>2808251
I don't understand.

>>2808249
>>2808251
And never be afraid to take your values darker. And if your portrait looks like shit, turn the page and start fresh, it will be better this time. And the eyes, the eyes are the gateway to the soul. if you mess up the eyes you change the whole character of the portrait and fail to capture your subject. That's all the advice I can give, I'm here in this thread for a reason.

>>2808254
Okay, senpai. Thank you. I'll try my best.

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How did I do /beg/? Please critique. Reference pic below

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>>2808263

>>2808263
Is this a joke? Where is the contrast? It's like I'm looking through a snowstorm at what should be a decent portrait.

>>2808267
I think graphite just looks that shit, anon.

>>2808268
You know what they say about bad workmen...

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>>2808163
i guess have to fix it my self but who care

>>2808277
Is this supposed to be a whale? I can't tell. If anything, your edges are off and seemingly arbitrary so it's hard to define the form relative to where it is in space. And the fact that there is no background doesn't help.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/51913-Rendering-Discussion-quot-Edges-quot-Tips-and-Tricks

>>2808279
oh, i see read it carefully

>>2808139
Draw portraits from the 3/4 angle first.

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>>2808267
>>2808263
It looks darker IRL, I think my phone's camera is just fucking it up. I added more graphite and used an auto adjustment in photoshop, more like what it actually looks like on paper. I'm using the Castell 9000 5H-5B set. Maybe I need higher grades, or just more pencil pressure.

>>2808139
Absolutely horrifying. Not even a trace of construction and just symbol drawing all around. Go back to studying a bit of Loomis' Head & Hands, then try again.

>>2808311
In terms of likeness, it's not bad. Far from perfect, but you will improve naturally with time. The real problem here is still your failure to implement any dark values into the portrait. It looks weak and washed out, regardless of how your tech modifies it. You need better tools or better technique. Lastly, I believe in your work and think you should definitely follow your studies to their deepest conclusion.

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>>2808319
its not as bad as you say. the features are mostly symbols but there is appropriate shading and its all in generally good proportion. go and do loomis and pic related then fix your symbols (lips are the toughest) then try again and it will be pretty good.

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>>2808103
Proportions are off and shadow values not consistent i guess.

>>2808166
nice shadows tho

>>2808277

Everything is way too soft and your edges are bad. It's easier to think of the end of a close cast shadow as a hard edge/end of form (that could potentially cast a shadow) as a hard edge. Think of the form shadows also ending as cast shadows, so form generally will go from soft and go into dark until it hits its cast. This isn't entirely correct to say, but it's a way to think about it. It would probably be easier if you were tackling values.

I can't tell it's a whale, but you should of also done a BG etc to compliment. It just standing in free space destroys much of the understanding that may be happening with the form. It's better to block in and handle the entire painting, since so much white space is available doing nothing.

>>2808166

You should make your strokes along the form of what you're etching. You should also keep into considerations the shape and what you see aswell. You drew the face flat because you saw it as a face and didn't recognize elements like the upward tilt of the head and its angle. You can use landmarks of the face (like lines between the eyes, nose, and boxing the overall head) in order to get a better idea of things, instead of jumping ahead. Your biggest issue though is your lack of idea of the 3D space, if you recognize the form and perspective better you'de draw it less flat. Doing your shading across the form instead of just a diagonal will let you understand it better.

>>2808263
>>2808311

Everything I said to the above post applies to you. Work on recognizing the form/shape. It's not the worst but you're not following the shapes and edges of the face (think about bone and muscle if you need to, highlight out the point you think the cheekbone pops etc). Also you could definitely apply some darker values in areas as well, the range is weak. You both would do good to start of with a bit of construction.

Good effort though in all your cases, keep it up. Experience and correcting upon your mistakes will get you far.

Is this the right thread to ask for advice on watercolours?

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>>2808103
How do I draw convincing looking hair/facial hair. Always stumps me.

>>2808572
Maybe try thinking of hair as a 3d object? I've always found drawing statues to be more useful in terms of underatanding forms than drawing from photos of people

>>2808572
How did manage make him into a anime character

>>2808345
How much of his eyeball do you see in the ref?
How much of his eyeball do you see in what you did?
Try again.

>>2808583
Force of habit, need to break it.

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>>2808586
uho~

Been reading Norling's perspective made easy and hate it.

If you had to recommend one book to get a solid grasp of perspective what would it be?

>>2808602
Only one book? That's like fucking impossible. I'd rather just tell you to look up all the point perspectives and that should be enough to keep you busy for months.

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I need to LOOMIS but I also suck at reading. Everytime I've tried I lose interest pretty fast and generally prefer someone talking when learning something. Anyone know of any good video series that go over Loomis or something similar with construction/form type stuff?

Pic related is what I just worked on. I use construction sometimes but never really learned a consistent way to do so. I need to get my ass in gear and actually study something for once in my life.

>>2808620
You don't even need to read Loomis, you just need to look at the pictures.

>Beginner thread
>Everyone's better than me

Cancelling my schoolism account, selling my tablet, etc.

>>2808635
That fucking pasta.

LOL.

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>>2808584

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>>2808104
Liked the shadows on the abs

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It has been a while so I looked up some figure drawing vids on youtube and drew this like 20 mins ago. How am I doing?

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I haven't done gestures drawings in few years, the ones with X on them are from other reference and the ones without are from imagination.
What do you /beg/s use to study gestures?

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>>2808677

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>>2808104
Alright, I tried.
Can I get some critiques please?

>>2808683
Proportions are fucked.

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>>2808682
?

>>2808723
He means you're chicken-scratching. Try practicing lines plus the other exercises from Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching and you'll get gud in no time

>>2808732
Ah! Alrighty, thanks!

>>2808683
Arms ,especially elbows, are too small. Feet are smaller while the legs are just almost as long as in the ref (don't forget to compare angles anon,the right foot has a different angle). I figured all of this out by laying your pic over the reference in photoshop/paint.net,I suggest you do that next time as it shows some of the mistakes one does quite easily! Hope this was helpful,good luck anon.

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>>2808747
>>2808683
forgot to mention the back

What loomis book would you recommend to a total idiot?

>>2808775
Fun with a pencil. It's not super valuable, but if you've never done art before it's your best bet by far.

>>2808812
Read Keys to Drawing

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How's this

>>2808747
Thank you! I'll definitely think about all that next time.

I'm stuck on the Dividing into Odd Numbered Proportions in Scott Robertson's How to Draw. How the hell do I know how to divide the second line into five even segments? Do I just guesswork my way through it?

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>>2808104
this guy has some pretty long legs

>>2808917
Probably because the camera was low and looking up.

>>2808875
Its too small.

>>2808875
You did the construction which is great, but you forget that the ear is on the side of the head. The way you drew the ear is what is looks from front view, not 3/4 view. Also, it should be smaller.

>>2808328
looks like drawbox had useful information

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Tried to render a ball?
Opinion?

>>2809012
There's a shit ton of videos about this on youtube. GO THERE.

>>2809015
they're already on the beginner thread could you maybe chill and try giving actual feedback

>>2808677
you would benefit from using pencil/paper for a couple months

and if your excuse is "i don't intend on being a traditional artist" then i've been time-baited

>>2809019
It's shading a sphere. There's video demo with commentary everywhere. Much more helpful and faster than waiting someone here to guide him.

If you care about him and his sphere so much why don't you help him?

>>2809035
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The reason why im asking here with my rendered ball, was because i wanted feedback on how it looked. If the blending of the colors would be right.
If it even looks like a 3d object.
I know there are many resources out there on how to render a sphere, yet they won't answer me those questions.

>>2809049
Ask the discord, much more helpful

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Feet are so hard to draw, but here's my second day of feet studies. Would love critique, some of the toes look really bent and I have no idea how to place the heel.

>>2809049

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM-gJrczaRE

Learn. Compare your result to the one in that videos. If it's anywhere close then you're not learning it. Repeat it listen carefully.

Someone can tell you what's wrong with it but it's better to use the information you have around you. There's a lot of teachers on the internet that can explain it to you STEP BY STEP. Why not use it?

I'm just going to throw out a tip, being a beginner myself, that may help yall. Take a picture of what you are drawing and look at it on the screen. Not sure why or if yall would find it any different but I immediately see mistakes when doing so. It helps with keeping a fresh eye on your work.

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first time asking for feedback on here.
does anyone know of any good books for hair? also anyother book recs are apreciated.

>>2809100
Jack Hamm -- Drawing the Figure. It has more than enough to get started on hair and make decent strides before you figure it out on your own.

>>2809106
>>2809104
for what reason are these 5000 pixels

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>>2808104

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Practice, Might do some figures on the horizon line as well

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How exactly i do portray study? What the difference between copying? I cant wrap my head around it.

>>2809203
try to drop the anime
your approach isnt bad, obviously you still need to pracitce a lot though
dropping the anime style and just learning anatomy normally should help

Well that was 3 hours done for day 5 I was watching Sycra rant about iterative drawing for 2 of them. I'm not sure if I should go another hour or 2 or chill out and watch AGDQ or some shit.

>>2809218
>sycra
stay away from sycra man its not gonna do you any good
if you want good art youtubers watch sinix (and even hes not perfect, but his approach to drawing is really motivating and interesting)

>>2809219
Most of it was just him ranting about talent and creative minds vs analytical minds and answering questions so it's not like I'm learning bad techniques from that. What's so bad about him? I don't go in looking for a 4 hour lecture on drawing the eye I just mostly want background noise for when I'm drawing or work ethic stuff.

>>2809217
I have done self portraits and still life studies in school, and I can usually draw it pretty accurately as long as I have reference. I don't think I'm as good as an old master when it comes to anatomy but I think I'm good enough to at least to start making a comic (you can get away with a lot of shit). I usually study Loomis and Proko videos for my anatomy so I know I have a solid source of info to improve upon. Still gonna study photos and real life for figure drawing because it's still good practice anyway

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thoughts?

>>2809225
Eyes are too wide apart. Try measuring the length of the eye and make sure there's at least 1 eye distance between them.

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>>2809209
Have you ever heard of this thing called Loomis?

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What do I do if I have the attentionspan to sit down and draw for hours but don't have the attention span to read stuff like Loomis?
This shit is boring the piss out of me, but I can spend hours drawing retarded looking anime girls.

I want to get better but trying to read these books mentioned in the sticky is taking the fun out of it for me.

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Learned a lot with this...

>>2809230
You need to find the fun in learning and the process. If not, it's always going to be a struggle and a chore.

>>2809239
Dude looks like the devil.

>>2809230
reported
dont make retarded posts again

>>2809241
I think it's just because I get home from working a 9 hour job and I don't really want to spend time drawing the stuff I don't want to.
I'll get around to it. I already find joy in looking at someone else's drawing, trying to draw something the way they did it and then figuring out "Oh, so that's why that does that."

>>2809250
Here's your (You)

>>2809219
p-pls respond why is Sycra bad?

>>2809261
Look at his art.

>>2809261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNhFLcsgh8

Here's a pretty good video that indirectly outlines why his "iterative drawing" approach is shit.

You're telling me to draw the SAME face from a certain angle I have to draw it over and over and over? And to draw the same face from a different angle I'm supposed to restart the entire process from the beginning? You're thinking there's an easier way. And there is.

Sycra is a "good" artist. That is quite solid. But if you've been doing art for 10 years and it still looks like that, don't you think that raises a red flag or two?

>>2809266
Well I looked at his gallery, it doesn't stand out as amazing but it isn't that bad either. I can see why it's a bit stupid from that point of view, but I do something similar already anyway. I drew like 40 faces although not at the same angle with the same features or anything. I'll give your vid a look shortly.

>>2808680
Hey, where did you get your reference poses?
I need more dynamic poses in my library.

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Fake it till you want to kys yourself

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>>2808100
First attempt at portrait, ended up idealizing her face too much and it looks like an average human face more than hers.
Also how do I stop sucking at shading?

>>2809320
Well for once measure more accurately so your facial features aren't floating.

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its another "i didnt read the sticky or the op" post

>>2809335
comes with the territory

>>2809348
it shouldnt
being a beginner is fine
not putting any effort or thought into it isnt

>>2809320
draw gridlines to measure placement, use bolder lines. Maybe do some deconstruction and work on skulls

>>2809359
>working on skulls before portraits
Haha what

>>2809362
read the fucking sticky and come back in 2 weeks

>>2808420
imagination or ref?

>>2809356
I meant this is usually the ground which weeds out those who do put in effort (move on in the art world) and the rest (give up because of no effort)

>>2809356
"Feel free to post even the smallest exercise to show you're still trying"

Ayyyy

>>2809370
its a shame that these are lumped into the same thread as >>2808420

>>2809375
Yeah how dare the beginners post in the beginner thread? They taint the beginner thread with their mere presence.

>>2809377
its not him being a beginner thats the problem. its him not having read the sticky, as i mentioned before.

>>2809377
There's not good enough for the draw thread and then there's a total lack of shame and disturbing need for attention from strangers while disregarding everything in the OP. But any time I point this out, a new shitposter is born.

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>>2808100
Critique please

>>2808246
How long does it take to get this good?

>>2809384
consider the light source a bit more
give it more form with shading
its better to do portraits at an angle

>>2809384
You're doing it digitally, there's no excuse for there to be no measuring.

>>2809385
If you pay attention to how other people render, measure and fix mistakes and start over if it's unsalvageable, like a week or two.

in photoshop, what brushes should I use? Do I stay with round brush while modifying it's hardness and opacity?

Should I switch to krita/SAI entirely?

>>2809394
Thank you, that's encouraging.

>>2809391
i thought that was "cheating", but maybe we're thinking of different ways of measuring (im thinking like drawing ontop of the original image to get the exact positions)

>>2809320
SYMBOL DRAWING READ THE STICKY

>>2809400
Where was I symbol drawing you cunt?
My measurements were extremely shitty I'll give you that, but I did my best at avoiding symbol drawing.

>>2809403
Kill yourself. You know it's symbol drawing.

Read Loomis and all the other entry level books. Look at those eye lashes. Disgusting

>>2809403
its difficult not to symbol draw from that angle
it still is though
also leave your ego outside /beg/

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>>2809403
End your life you wretch

>>2809408
>also leave your ego outside /beg/
I was kinda shitposting there desu

>>2809405
Yeah, I'm working on them, literally have little to no idea how to realize when I'm symbol drawing and when it's real observation.

>>2809411
Are you drawing what's actually there or what you think an eye looks like? That's the problem. You need to go back to loomis or some other entry level book.

>>2809411
I know that much, but what sometimes happens is that I have a certain idea of what I'm watching but then end up drawing it as a symbol when I get to put it on paper. Guess it's a matter of practice to not be this retarded.
Anyways thanks to everyone for shitting on that drawing.

>>2809362

>implying there's something wrong with doing skulls before portraits
haha what

>>2809320
>ended up idealizing her face too much
>>2809400
>Where was I symbol drawing you cunt?
You're a special kind of stupid, huh?

>>2809364
The buildings and roman war machine thing are from imagination, I did look up some reference on roman gear and catapults.

The bottom left is from Olson's course and the top left is from life using what he taught in the lessons.

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>>2808100
I spent a lot of time on this, measuring out the proportions, but I still feel like I messed up in a lot of areas. I tried not to focus on the hair since I don't know how to make that look like anything. Tear me apart /beg/

>>2809422
ballista missiles dont have that horizontal break like spears do since they arent intended to be pulled out again.

>>2809426
Shit, I really need to do a lot more research on this. Should get a book on history of war and its tools.

Thank you for the feedback my dude.

>>2809385
I've been hobby drawing since I was a kid. I am 20 now. When casual drawing is a part of your lifestyle you can make slow but sure progress. If you work yourself like a dog and never get discouraged you could probably be that good within a year or two.

>>2809431
i mean if you are going for realism, there isnt a launching or aiming mechanism. the wheels are also way to small for something that heavy and large. something like that is probably for show moreso than practicality though.

thinking about stuff like this is what makes work look less amateurish i think.

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>>2809431
The bolts are like that of a crossbow, they're similar in design.

when doing portraits at an angle, how do you make sure the furhtest cheek and nose outline are well represented? I always have trouble making sure they're not too far out or in.

>>2809436
Yeah you are right. It is a rather goofy idea in general and the practicalities of a machine like this are non existent.

I did do a caveman like machine in the same vein and remember thinking how it would be more for show to scare the opposition, rather than a real effective war tool.

Thanks anon, I will think more about this kind of stuff in the future.

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A lot to learn.

>>2809449
Why do you chickenscratch so blatantly?

What's the purpose?

>>2809440
I see, yeah It no sense to have the bolt be spear like.

>>2809451

Because while he's learning positioning, it's okay to not have perfect linework. The purpose is focusing on one thing before the next, getting basic shapes down before adjusting for weight. Not all of the lines are chickenscratch either.

Why don't you take a look at the anatomy and offer some meaningful criticism instead, which is obviously the purpose of showing these sketches, instead of bumping the thread with empty tripe.

>>2809461
I just wanted to know what was going through his head - you seem a little hot. I normally wouldn't care or even mention chickenscratch but it's an nearly an epidemic in this. At least do another pass of something to have it somewhat presentable for critique in this thread.

>tfw use pastel
>have no idea how to correctly layer shit and completely make a mess
>dust also gets everywhere
Wew, hopefully never again. Charcoal's not the same like pastel is it?

>>2809465
literally black pastel

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>>2808102
Any helpful hints would be great please! Portions are too wide and the hair is completely unrendered.

>>2809467
Well at least there won't be other colors to mix in and completely off set with black. I don't understand how to control the texture with them either. They just seem to roll with whatever they want when you drag it on the page. Black also has this light/grey version where white is seen through then really dark black version if you use more pressure.

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I tried shading for the first time, >>2802859 but it just looks like a dirty mess to me. I don't know what I'm doing at all.

any tips on shading faces? It's kinda hard to keep things very smooth in photoshop and every little shade you add seems to either make everything else too bright or that spot too dark.

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Just need a quick review of my sketch that I'm doing for a painting.

>>2809480
Holy shit, that fucking motor control. I can SEE the form. You've got the spark! So lucky.

>>2809451
I don't try to chicken scratch. I try to draw loosely then clean up the mess by defining the shapes or edges. That's probably looks like chicken scratches.

>>2809483
Aww thank you anon that means alot to me! But seriously here to improve.

>>2809483
>luck
>>2809480
her left shoulder should be a bit on view (consider shoulderblade)
flattened elbow
vulva shouldnt be so puffy unless its a girl(male)
>>2809486
work on clean lines. its important to have them even if you can re-layer your work

>>2809483
i cant tell if this is satire or not

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How is my perspective lads?

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>>2809425
I think I failed at shading this one.

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>>2809494
Thanks anon looks a little better now!

>>2809483
>People are taking this post seriously
Holy fuck am I laffin

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I am having a hard time with these two heads(just realized that I had a weakness with faces/heads). Which one is better constructed/simply looks more competent? Excuse the chickenscratch.

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>>2809527
Shit, sorry, resized.

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>>2809514
try gesture drawing to loosen up the form, she looks very stiff like a board

>>2809533
Thank you for the serious tip I will definitely do this. I also feel like an idiot.

>>2808103
>tfw get told that the eye is the most important part
>can't see the eye in this one
How am I supposed to draw this correctly shiiiit

>>2809536
don't, gesture drawing is a meme

>>2809540
I don't know who to believe! :,( I'll just try apply it for a while and see if I improve.

>>2809545
if you want to draw anime just trace anime until you get the hang of it, don't fall for ic memes

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>>2809547
I don't know but judging from anons redline of my stiff drawing I think I'll try gesture for a while. Also I've been told not to trace and I don't really care about anime just more about developing a style.

>>2809558
>actually getting trolled into believing a meme
Do you install gentoo when you go to /g/? Go read Loomis while you're at it

>>2809563
Ok I'm an asshole. I actually have read a little Loomis need to pick it back up tho.

>>2808148

While the angle and chin are off, they play well into the character you've drawn. The overall shape of the head gives it an excellent, sinister vibe. An excellent use of reference.

Consider using softer lines with more varied spacing for facial hair. Beard hair is especially difficult to draw when it's sparse like your reference and the hints of hair can easily be lost inside your hatching. If you vary their length and insertion points, as well as not make the ends of the hair blunt, the hair will show through any shading more obvious.

Don't get lazy in certain parts. The way you drew the face with darker, more pronounced line makes the face the focal of the composition. This is great. What isn't so great is the sloppy line work of the collar of the shirt and the shoulder of the blazer. You can still make your lines light and inconspicuous without making them look like an afterthought. One big thing that is glaring: the back of the shirt creates a tangent at the neck, and makes the collar appear to grow from the neck. You put much love and effort into the brow and eyes, making them pop and draw attention. Put that same effort into the clothing, but still use the light line work to draw the eyes away from them.

Reference exists to be exactly so: reference. It does not need to be copied bit by bit. The crease in skin along the references neck that goes into the collar is real, but looks odd on paper, and runs the risk of creating more tangents. Use creative freedom to decide whether you want these small details. They can be moved, modified, or omitted entirely.

All in all, looks really good.

I think I finally get what Drawing on the right side of the brain was getting at when it says that problem is with the eye. I have absolutely no idea how Imm supposed to do portraits because when I look at them I think in terms of lines and value but I can only draw lines. When I look at the eye I have no idea how to look at it, same with the nose and lips. Sure there's measuring and proportions but that doesn't get the exact definition of the facial features. How do I actually begin to see so that I can finally draw it?

>>2809283
Got em from an action manga.

>>2809514
thanks anon, you sound cute
>>2809533
listen mate i want you to know that i greatly appreciate what you do here. taking the time to help struggling beginners is intensely benevolent and it really does help everyone you reply to a lot. thank you and keep at it.
>>2809563
get out, /beg/ is for training fundamentals. you are just confusing and demotivating people with your awful advice.

>>2809514
>holding the apple with the back of the hand

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>>2809615
great joke, love it when someone comes up with a goofy alternative way of looking at a shitty drawing

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dumping some gestures.
1/4

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>>2809624
2/4

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>>2809625
3/4

>>2809626
C+S shape nugga, watch prokos vid and villpu before doing more

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>>2809626
4/4
some of these i got really sloppy and rushed them. no idea if they read right or have flow or such. and im not really getting the 'center line' i mean i see lots of lines that can flow from the arms down the torso and through the legs but its almost never in the center

>>2809628
are the first two better? those are the more recent ones

>>2809631
yes

>>2809632
ah okay the s and curves were starting to make more sense as i was doing them. ill try to use that more on my next batch. thanks

>>2809510
>I think I failed

I think so too

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quick critic plz

>>2809711
take a picture without shitty angle

>>2809711
Don't take photos in an angle.

>>2808322
>>2808353
Thanks guys, I will work hard!

>>2809582
Anatomy. You don't need to take on the whole package, just start with basic facial anatomy for now. Stuff like understanding how the eyelids curve over the eyeballs, the shape of the lips (an 'M' over a 'W'), etc.

Hampton's Figure Drawing book has some pages on this but you also need to study photos and from life

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>>2806057 →
Critique please

>>2809228
Yes, i heard about him, dont like him, Hampton is much better.

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So i'm having trouble with shading distinct features of the same value but different colors. How do you go about shading say, the lips if its the same value as the skin around it?
Also critique, please.

>>2809644
So, how do I get better at it?

>>2809751
KtD

>>2809779
KtD is black and white. I'm having trouble translating color to black and white. Colored references to B/W would be helpful.

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>>2808103
how did I do?

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>>2808103
Need crit

I've read the new sticky in the OP, did Loomis get removed completely?
Also I like the fact that is way more concise, but I want to hear a second opinion, do you guys like it?

>>2809748
The nose in your's is pretty big, also you lost it around the jaw line and the ear.
>>2809796
Whatever his smelling it must be absolutely divine. The mouth is too high, eyes are too small and all kinds of other stuff, try to construct construct the head bit more before adding the details.
>>2809829
You went bit more jewish route with that one, it looks like you didn't even try to do construction lines of any sorts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U When you understand how to do basic construction try again.

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vespa!

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>>2808103

For a beginner which is more important; practicing gesture drawing or longer, more focused figure studies?

I've only just begun being able to think/draw in 3D, and that's where I'm mainly focusing on lately.

Serious discussion here. I feel like there aren't enough guides for the exercises. Really, I see everywhere "read this book, read this other, etc." but none of them tell what exercises to do in order to improve and assimilate the concepts.
The best is "do live studies and draw from reference".

>>2809948
>do live studies and draw from reference
That is the best exercise to improve and assimilate the concepts.what more could you possibly need?

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Critique?
>>2808100

>>2808098
>be me
>3 years into gittin gud
>still having trouble drawing trapezoids
>try using a cube and a triangular prism
>trapezoids are 10x better
im not going to make it

>>2809012
make the occlusion shadow darker, get rid of that really bright line in the middle of the reflected light line up your core shadow with your light source, try adding a background to give a sense of atmostphere

So I'm trying another method of study. I was trying to concentrate on going trough the books of the sticky but after wasting time on shit like fun with a pencil, perspective stuff and lot of loomis I decided that I will try to concentrate each time on a different topic until I master it. I want it to be more grinding than theory, with maybe using books as a support and not a focus.
I think I'll start with general human anatomy, so proprortions etc.
Watcha think?

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>>2808130
r8 these 2 please

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>>2808107
crit?

>>2810047
i liek the shapes

>>2809748
Jaw too blocky.
Nose too big.
Check bone and chin protrude slightly more than the photo.
Ear too small.

Do you do any form of construction or is this by eye?

>>2809876
Not any of them, but whats the point in constructing heads to get a likeness? Can't you just measure with parallels etc. Construction only seems helpful when drawing without reference.

>>2810091
If you want to work doing portrait for people then just work on your measurement. Sight seeing etc...

But most of us here aiming to do imaginative work. Mastering the construction, features placement etc... by using reference is one way to go about it.

Also I'm getting the likeness bit by bit and I've only been doing it for 2 months. I've never even touch sigh seeing or angle measure since day one. I know it'll come with time.

>>2810106
Even portrait uses construction when it comes to a pose or lighting changing or just being shit and needing to render something that isn't there.

>>2810091
If you want to understand likeness bit more study bit of caricatures, it doesn't mean you have to draw them just learn from them and use that knowledge on your own work.
Caricaturing is all about how to make the drawing look like your reference.

>>2810053
she's small chested and she is raising her arms so her breasts shouldn't look like that. they'd be more streched and pulled up. kinda like if she didnt have any. unless you meant for them to be super saggy or something? I like how ya constructed but maybe it's just me but the missing clavicles looks odd to me considering how skinny she is.

>>2808345
Just for future reference try to take the photo with the camera as parallel as possible to the paper. Otherwise your drawing will look weird and distorted/lengthened out

>>2810114

thank u

>>2810005
You're just like many others who didn't read the sticky.

You can start over or give up.

>tfw use charcoal
>turns out not to be that messy
>values are hard to control though
>also can't draw a circle for shit with charcoal
Really makes me think how they can do amazing figures with this
Even a sphere was difficult

>>2810166
A chamois and a kneaded eraser. You wipe up and push around more than you actually lay down.

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with graphite pencils, the 3h, 4h, b, etc. is that just strictly referring to the graphite thickness or is there any other differences?

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too tired for anything reasonable, so to keep the daily routine I tried to make something out of a random shape

>>2810216
It refers to the hardness of the graphite, m8.

>>2810220
thanks

>>2808098
fucking hell man this image is not beginner, why post something like this it's only going to discourage us genuine beginners. Where's my absolute beginner thread at? Because beginner has turned into intermediate

>>2809203
kek'd at bottom left

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>>2810226
Copying what is in front of you is literally the most beginner level thing there is. You too can do the same thing in a matter of weeks.

>>2810228
nicely simplified

>>2810232
yeah but they(or is it you?) did more than that. They understand the planes of the face and made it more aesthetic than the original ref, thats pretty advanced and not beginner

>>2810147
The sticky doesnt say anything about a triangular prism. iirc the sticky doesnt even acknowledge the pyramid as a basic shape.

>>2810258
Really makes you think

I have a copy of Learning to Draw on the Right Side and $50 Michaels store credit. What should I buy?

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started painting a dyke, is there any way to make photostudies less tedious?

>>2810260
a life

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>>2810237
It isn't me but it's still student work. The ear is way too small, the neck fat enough and the nose area needs work. Everything posted is definitely beginner level All we're looking at overall is the point where you go from bad to mediocre and a single exceptional example.

Be glad they're here or no one would be giving any critique.

>>2810266
Better models.

>>2810237
yeah I agree, the digital painting in the o's pic is definitely intermediate tier. but most people that post aren't that level, and it should only inspire you.

>>2810260
$50 worth of pencils and sketchbooks

>>2810260
Michaels is overpriced to be honest

>>2810275

>I have store credit for this store
>well it's too expensive!

nice useless comment, he's not going to spent his micheals credit at fucking mcdonalds.

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alright calling this shit done. might just start grinding a bunch of 1 hour ones and see if the whole thing gets quicker/easier/less tedious

>>2810294
Do you sketch or do it alla prima? Just curious what you prefer, I'm undecided on what yields better results for me.

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>>2810296
did a quick sketch to start it off with, otherwise i get lost

>>2810230
Sargent is very disappointed in me I'm sure. But at least I made someone laugh.

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>>2809246
He does...

Here's another fail attempt at painting a horn on the forehead in perspective... Also trying to color a greyscale took a lot of experimenting. I probably used way more layers and adjustment layers than needed.

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>>2810308

>>2810311
Looks better.

>>2810311
when drawing horns, start with the base circles on the forhead. if you want horns on the same height, the circles should be on the same height. one of the horns here is higher than the other one. also the (from the viewer) left horn should be bent a little more to the right. i think theres a problem with the forehead in general, its longer on the right side, thats why the horns are on different heights.

Why do I keep coming here?

It's like Bondage, it hurts so good.

>>2810311
need to use a 100% opacity hard brush for some of the rendering to make some of the details more crisp

>>2808148
That looks like a nice courtroom sketch

>>2810336
you answered your question retard, fuck off with your shitty blog

>>2810342
One shitpost becomes two, two becomes three...

Can someone explain how I fucked up >>2809510 ? I know I failed at shading but I don't know how to do it better

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>>2810433
instead of actually shading you just kind of smudged some values around. you're paying attention to where the light hits, but try darkening those values so that the darkest value becomes as dark as those lines you use to outline the eyes, nose and lips. (and don't outline things like that if you're aiming for realism)
if you darken the shadows the lighter parts will also stand out more and give you actual highlights

This isn't shading advice, but you might also want to check the position of the lips and nose. The nose and mouth should be higher up

>>2810433
you aren't drawing what you're seeing

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>>2808100
is color picking cheating because holy shit
you'd think her skin is peach/slightly gray but no

it's in the dark fucking reds and browns

i absolutely hate it

hope to finish the hair soon

How can I practice construction apart from deconstructing real life objects? any resources?

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>>2808098

How do I get rid of chicken scratching? I want to draw with confident, smooth lines.

>>2810443
Reconstructing real life objects

>>2810444
How do you think you should go about it?

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argh proportions are off

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>>2810438
>kind of smudged some values around
Isn't that what shading is supposed to be? Values smudged around until it looks right?

Also, it seems like the nose and mouth are at almost the right height compared to the ref >>2808100 , they could maybe even be a millimetre lower I think. Unless I'm seeing and measuring wrong?

I've been working in Clip Studio Paint.

Inking on a vector layer. Saved it. Uploaded it to dropbox, opened it on another computer to finish it, and now there's a lot of aliasing. I guess I'll have to re-ink it.

What did I do wrong?

>>2810442
Color picking is cheating but now you know color is entirely relative.

>>2810455
dude how the hell do i tell that it's THAT DARK
it's ridiculous
even the whites aren't white
the blacks aren't black
i'm at a total loss

>>2810445

Guess I'll keep grinding

>>2810463
squint, practise more, it'll click. just grind it out

>>2810463
It's all a lie our brains tell us that you have to overcome with knowledge and observation. You can make a pinhole with your finger, do the same thing with a midtone grey card, or make assumptions like skin is burnt sienna dark and go from there. The biggest hurdle isn't the value so much as hues making values appear different than they are. Try out some crazy bitch tutorials, helped me out.

http://stuff.veekun.com/pkcolor/

>>2810469

>PK

That unholy individual...

>>2810473
I don't get it either, it's like being born insane made her other senses stronger.

>>2810480
>>2810473
explain?

>>2810482
She's in an open relationship with her boyfriend and that has triggered all the virginal autists obsessed over cuckoldry.

>>2810484
That's at the bottom of the pile with the hypnosis fetish chat leaks. It's that she has filled the entire board on batshit artist bingo short of deleting fucking everything, and she's done that a few times too.

>>2810488
why do you care about Eceleb drama?

>>2810491
>>2810491
>>2810491

>>2810491
>>2810491
>>2810491

>>2810491
>>2810491
>>2810491

>>2810484

Ask around and you will find out, I think PK is actually posting in here, lol.

People used to post to Wiki Dramatica about her, but it looks like someone wiped it.

There are more than enough stories to justify that her controversy isn't just about another weird relationship she is in, it's what she's done.

>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/purplekecleon-pk-papayakitty-glitchedpuppet.5567/

>>2810502
doesnt dramatica have backups of that stuff?

>>2810500
Generally I don't but it makes for a good example of everything you shouldn't do when you have an internet presence. It's a valuable lesson. Also schadenfreude. I'm not a very nice person.

>>2810503

Idk, I'd imagine they do, read it in other places and heard of her in other places too.

>>2810502
And you really believe any of that?

>>2810573

Do you believe Chris-Chan and what he has done?

>>2810586
Yes, because that's all documented and recorded.

This is all hearsay and innuendo. "Hey, I don't like this person, they're probably a pedophile! They drew pony porn on their tumblr, that sure sounds like something a pedophile would do!"

>>2810452
Are you so blind that you cannot look at your own image comparison and see your failure? If so, you are beyond hope.

>>2810589

Her actions were documented as well, by numerous witnesses.

There are actual screen caps and documentation on the first page of that link.

>This is all hearsay and innuendo.

Something tells me you are more than you appear.

>>2810597
The screencaps only show how full of shit the accusers are.

>>2810608

Chat-logs and a lot more too.

Sounds like you are a big fan of hers, so I'm not going to continue to attempt to persuade you, the evidence is there, and there is a lot more than that. Though, I feel that same way about it as this anon does >>2810506

Happy trails.

>>2810226

I didn't intend to discourage you anon. I've thought for a bit to try and give you a good response that might benefit you. so here it is i guess.

I remember back when I started my journey 3 years ago. I didn't really know where to begin, art was a dream and I wanted it really bad so all I did was draw. (2012-2013)

I started making friends on facebook with similar interests, joining art communities and going to many different art google hangouts. I think for me this was the biggest boost in my art progress.

Meeting like minded people that are better than you was a good way for me to improve as they let me know of things that I had to focus on to get better. Ranging from values, color, lines etc they were all willing to give advice. So I'd go and network as much as you can.

After that I kept a study schedule and made sure to keep to it, i missed many days here and there but always studied the things i was interested in and kept drawing really. never stop.

If you truly want something in life, no matter what it is you can obtain it no matter how difficult it might seem. The human brain is the most complex object in the universe (known to us) and it is capable of a lot.

After All, all the other artists are just humans at the end of the day, its mileage (i know its cheesy), discipline and motivation to succeed that will push you past your hurdles.

Good luck Anon.

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>>2808103
I'm just starting out drawing with a tablet, pls crit. I left my construction lines in.

To critique myself, I feel the angle of the head is off (he seems to be tilting it to the left in mine) and I should have included more of the digastric plane.

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>>2808103