Which ones will die first? Which ones will stick around the longest?

>>2784932
fur affinity will stick around the longest

>>2784932
>Which ones will die first?
conceptart.org (already dead)
>Which ones will stick around the longest?
instagram (sadly)

Isn't Conceptart.org already dead ?

>>2784936
This, Furaffinity has endured catastrophe after catastrophe yet it keeps going like nothing.

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>>2784948
is it worth it to make an insta just to post my digital drawings on
i mean it pisses me off that people post digital anything on there, but ill do anything to build my following

IG/Tumblr solely because they're not restricted to art.

furaffinity will last furever :3

>>2784932

Patreon and kickstarter will remain, but newer neutered/improved versions of them will compete against each other. That or legal mumbo jumbo will bankrupt them.

>Artstation
see: ConceptArt.org

>Tumblr
Tumblr is a subsidiary leaf in the tree of yahoo. This particular leaf is very tasty to insects and vermin and eventually the leaf will will become so rotten that it will fall off the branch. Considering that 1/5 of the material going into tumblr is porn (with lots of copywritten characters in that mix) it is easy to see how it will eventually be too much of a loss and liability to yahoo.

>Instagram
never used
>Furaffinity
ED tier resistance and invulnerability. They aren't going anywhere ever, it's already been tried multiple times with complete server wipes in the mix. It is probably because of these reasons as to why they won't die, they've upgraded their servers and their user-base is a large niche on the internet. If they run into trouble, someone will buy it out.

>DA
If Da was going to die it would have been a VERY long time ago. I see them becoming the 9gag of the art world if they haven't already, there but only to targeted numbskulls.

>Pixiv
OH HERRO, I SHEE U USE GRORIOUS NIPPON JAPANESE CURTURED GARRERY. WERR GOOD RUCK RIFF TAGGIN YOUR ART AND BROWSING IF AMERICAN.

TL;DR: CAP ME, TUMBLR WILL BE THE FIRST TO FALL.

>>2784932
>Conceptart
Already dead
>Tumblr
Yahoo! isn't doing that great and they don't like it in the firt place.
>Artstation
Will try and fail to diversify during the next recession
>Fur Affinity
Sadly furries are becoming more mainstream and a larger, more welcoming, less cringy website may take it's place.
>Patreon
To international banks making it harder for non-US users to receive their donations and IRS wanting a cut of the pie.
>Kickstarter
Like Patreon, banks and taxes will choke it little by little till projects can't fire despite "making" millions.
>Deviantart
When it becomes too large for it's dwindling userbase.
>Pixiv
When japan sinks in the ocean.
>Instagram
When attention whores stop attention whoring.

>>2784932
From dead to undead:

1) conceptart (small dying userbase, artstation, easily replaced, forum-based)
2) Deviantart (dying community, shit interface)
3) artstation (easily replaceable, will expire like CA did)
4) kickstarter (it's a platform for advertising and hoaxes for hipsters at this point)
5) tumblr (massive losses since yahoo bought it, dying community)
6) pixiv (japan's ethnocentrism will ensure it won't die)
7) furaffinity (it's there to stay)
8) patreon (better crowdfunding platform for artists)
9) instagram (great mobile app, huge community, great for images)

Have you guys looked up the traffic stats for the websites? I was surprised to see that FA is larger than 4chan.

>>2785535
You seem like you've got a pretty good grasp of all this shit. What do you think of drawcrowd?

It sounded kind of interesting to me at first, but the only time I checked it out it was basically full of softcore anime porn, and now it looks like they're trying to be patreon or something, but only for artists of softcore anime porn. I just don't really get it.

>>2785450
Lots of artists already do and I haven't seen complaints. The only problem is the square format.

I think Instagram will take over Tumblr fairly soon and I'm glad. Tumblr reeks of shitty 2000s personal websites like MySpace, they have no countermeasures against porn and spam, the fact it's more of a blogging platform than an image sharing website means there's a slew of drama whores and special snowflakes stirring shit on it and the mobile app sucks ass.

Instagram has a functional mobile app, it's got a no nonsense interface that puts the emphasis on content (straight to the image gallery), blogging is very secondary, no horrible repost / like mechanic which murders your chances of exposure and what little it's missing can be easily added in the future.

>>2786007
Instagram is utter shit for artists to post their work.

>>2786026
name a better platform with the same gigantic userbase that isn't tumblr

>>2786027
>name a better platform with the same gigantic userbase except the better platform called tumblr

???

>>2786028
but tumblr is going the way of the dodo

>>2786034
tumblr isn't going anywhere, what a silly meme

>they have no countermeasures against porn
yeah, because we all know how that works out
it doesn't.

>>2784932
>conceptart.org
People still use BBS forums? This site is still around? The fact that "professional artists use this forum too" will keep the ember flickering by novices thinking drawing comes from osmosis but it won't be a good platform to get a following or work.
>DeviantArt
A dumping ground for shit. S&M, porn, poor quality doodles from teenagers look for attention. Any professional or quality artists that still use it, use it as a advertisement platform for other shit. As long as shitty novices, attention whores, and kink are allowed to flourish but it will slowly dwindle into obscurity even more than it is now.
>Fur Affinity
It's technically dead. Rule changes and censorship ran off lots of their user base. And the fact that most of the faggots who use it have their work set to private so no one outside of the site can take notice doesn't help them. Also it's a porn site. Smut sites rarely die.
>Tumblr
I'm not a fan of Tumblr's interface. It's not a good way to showcase art unless you know what you're doing. As mentioned Yahoo isn't too fond of it, plus their censoring artists by shutting them down if their art is too risque drives people away. Not to mention the stigma attached to the site. They'll try to enforce rules one day that will make a lot of their userbase angry and leave. That will be their undoing.
>Instagram
Not going anywhere anytime soon. If you want to get a bunch of normalfags eyes on your art and know how to turn that into money it's a good platform. Just thrown 100 hashtags on each drawing and watch the views roll in.
>pixiv
Not going anywhere. If you're Japanese it's a good platform. Super simple site. Though it has censoring practices due to Japanese law and they've started to slowly enforce them by asking western artist to censor their art it doesn't seem to hurt them. I think their biggest rival is Twitter. It's common for Japanese artists to abandon Pixiv and go to Twitter exclusively.

>>2786034
Just out of curiousity, why do you prefer Instagram? To me, it looks like something that is useful for normies to share random selfies and pictures of their food and that kind of shit.

I'm always annoyed as hell when an artist posts stuff on their tumblr that links to their instagram. For one, I always have to check the site source code to even view the image in full screen / save it and for another, there's just zero interaction. One of the things I like the most about Tumblr is that I get to find out about new artists due to artists I already follow sharing stuff. That also happens to be the best way to get new followers yourself, when popular artists share your work.

Instagram is just everyone in their own little bubble posting their work, the famous get more famous and the unknown remain unknown. How is that an improvement for artists to gain exposure?

>>2786040
>Just thrown 100 hashtags on each drawing and watch the views roll in.

Those views don't really count for much though because normies don't commission artists, nor do they care about it in particular. The benefit of Tumblr, Twitter, Artstation, DA etc is that your art gets around certain circles that are either artists themselves, want to hire artists or at the very least are somewhat invested in the entertainment industry. 1000 followers on any of those sites is probably more valuable than 100000 followers on instagram.

>>2786040
>Artstation
A platform meant for professional artists to showcase their work and possibly find job.
It's relevantly new and owned by a small company so if anything financial woe would be the thing that kills it.
>Patreon
I don't feel that Patreon will last very long. I expect something new to come along and something that will allow people to get donations directly. As mention by someone else US government have caught on and want a slice and it's going to hurt the artist who were using this to make a living.
>Kick Starter
Soon, I say in a few years, people are going to realize that giving your money to a project for a shitty kick back or a credit isn't worth their money. There have been an increase in projects being funded and turning out to be utter shit. These creators are taking advantage of the system. Getting the funding but undercutting the production efforts to pocket the money.

>>2786049
>1000 followers on any of those sites is probably more valuable than 100000 followers on instagram.
at least you can get noticed on instagram

>>2786049
>Those views don't really count for much though because normies don't commission artists
If an artist is using Instagram in hopes of commission from that userbase they are dumb.
T shirts, mugs, prints, other items with your art on it should be the thing you sell to them. Not your commission slots.
Instagram for artists is for spreading your name, followers, clicks, and merch.

>>2786054
How? Other than doing fanart, what do you do to get noticed on instagram? Genuinely curious because just spamming generic hashtags like #art #drawing #fantasy etc seems counter-intuitive to me. If everyone is doing that, doesn't that mean your work is completely drowned out by hundreds of thousands of other people doing the same?

>>2786066
>doesn't that mean your work is completely drowned out by hundreds of thousands of other people doing the same?

yes, it does. this is why I don't bother with most art sites that use tags. too much shit to find those diamonds, and I just do not have the time to put up with it.

>>2786066
Instagram is one of the largest image sharing sites on the internet. To ignore it because there are a sea of other people doing the same thing you are would be a mistake.
Take in account that a large percentage of that "hundreds of thousands" hashtagging the same shit fucking suck. Like quality wise they're garbage. They also aren't posting on a regular basis.
Or they're like anon >>2786075 and can't be bothered to put in the effort.
Those are the people who get drowned out.
So here's where capitalizing on the platform and getting your shit in is important. If you are consistent posting every day, have quality art (the best you can muster), interact with your followers, and stand out along with hashtags you will get noticed.
It's a grind and a mix of know how to work the system to your needs.
It's not counter-intuitive to jump into the fray and try to get those views that other artist are letting slip through their finger by not putting in the effort. It's worst to just leave it alone out of laziness or fear.

>>2786066
Chiming in as a relative beginner, it's way too early to make a statement and I'm not really a stats guy, but I got 37 followers since Aug 14 2016 on Instagram, as opposed to 110 since Dec 1 2015 on Tumblr.

I have 146 posts on Tumblr (including reblogs, probably ~40 are my art) vs. 28 on Instagram. Part of these followers are people I know from 4chan etc.

I use normal tags like fantasyart or artistsoninstagram (same on Tumblr) and I do SFW original work, no fanart, mostly fantasy or sci-fi characters

On Tumblr I hardly get a response at all unless it's fanart, in which case I get >50/100 notes and still zero followers. On Instagram I seem to get steady followers with every post.

The worst social media for me is definitely Twitter, I've decided to automate it completely, but Tumblr for me is almost inconsequential.

holy shit, if anything PIXIV is dying. that rank and user count are garbage and falling fast.

>>2786086
>f you are consistent posting every day, have quality art
posting quality art every day? is that feasible?

>>2786096
>The worst social media for me is definitely Twitter
why is this?

>>2784949
Basically, I checked it out for the first time in years and it's... not pretty. Still active, but no where near as "thriving for whipping your ass into shape" in the critique section as it used to be.

>>2786108
simple stylized colored art

>>2786111
not him but twitter is safe space 2.0, they censor shit like they want and is full of sjw scum. At least they don't really bother anyone over at tumblr.

>>2786111
Zero impressions on 99% I post. Not even clicks, views or replies. Impressions, like nobody ever even visualizes my posts (so it's definitely not a problem with my art being shit, it's not like Twitter can tell). And I use hashtags and everything.

If you have a conversation the character limit makes it really difficult to express yourself and you get instantly involved in heated political shit. It only feels right when I just forward my links to it.

>>2786111
Twitter's user base has been shrinking by the millions in the past few years.
People don't use it like they use to.
Plus other sites and apps offer the same experience and features only better.

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>>2786108
Of course it's feasible if you're already an active artist.
If you're a beginner or just a hobbyist throwing up doodles and subpar work then no one will care.
>>2786113
Colored art period gets more attention than black and white drawing.
If you can find a human xerox profile you will notice their greyscale images get less attention than say a color pencil drawing.

>>2786127
>Colored art period gets more attention than black and white drawing.
relatively good advice. though a b/w with good contrast will probably beat a washed out valueless coloured drawing

>>2786133
normeis and art follow fags don't care about values and all of that. They see purdy colors hit the like button and go on their merry way.

>>2786133
Also I hate to say it but posting drawing implements next to the drawings you make adds a lot to the impression you get. It says "look, I made this with a brush!".

I won't take it to the point where I take the photo while holding a brush that is still touching the paper - that's the most insincere shit imaginable and I hate it - but simply arranging your drawing implements around the piece makes it a lot more interesting. I don't know why but it does.

patreon, kickstarter and instagram are memes, normies will tire of them

>>2786139
I fucking despise that shit. And it's always some dumb cunts who make 1:1 copies.

does patreon email you when somebody removes their pledge? i have nightmares every night about my top pledgers (30$ each, lol) abandoning me.

>>2786159
You brain is telling you it's probably not a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket. Find more ways to monetize your art other than just Patreon.

>>2786150
I know fantastic professional artists who constantly take those photos with the hand holding the brush against the paper

>>2786171

obviously, lol. i'm just scared of checking if they're still all there HAHAHA

>>2786230
HAHAHA

>>2786309

fuck off cuntington. i'm so anxious about social interaction i can't even check my fb, patreon, emails, tumblr feed...

>>2784952
There's no other site, and nobody wants to leave FA.

>>2786020
>The only problem is the square format.
Confirmed for never have used Instagram.

Get with the times, nerd.

>>2786379
There are 3 other sites with much better features, but they're all dead because nobody wants to leave FA. And why would you, it's facebook for furfags. Artists only post because that's where the audience is.

lowkey the best website to post your artwork is still facebook. as long as you don't fall into the meme of using it for it's intended purpose.

great tools to organize drawings and paintings into albums and the ability to upload in bulk as many images at a time as you'd like.

Only thing that comes close is tumblr, and tumblr still has limits to how many images in a post, as well as no real organization because of it's shitty blog format.

deviantart has albums and similar organization tools to facebook but you have to upload every image individually, as well as go through the whole rigamarole of image titles, descriptions, and tags.

I guess if you fall for the "exposure" meme those other websites are good but if you are interesting in cataloguing progress and aren't precious about every single sketch you do facebook is fucking perfect.

on top of that facebook isn't going anywhere. only downside is that they change their interface around a lot. since I started posting my work there in 2012 the page's design has been shuffled around sometimes for the worse sometimes for the better but I can see how people could find that frustrating if you want to have a say in page layout.

I don't use anything except twitter, artstation, tumblr and pixiv anymore. Pixiv is best because you can download hi-res, upload giant batches and interface is pretty great. Tagging if you're EOP is hard tho. DA is worst shit.
>check DA top
>same "DA stars" again and again
>photos and other bullshit
>impossible to find good art
>awful "groups" shit
>meanwhile on pixiv top is always different and even no names can become superstars
>can find good works even without premium acc

>>2786414
>Giving away your copyrights for free.
Nice try Zuckerberg.

What do you guys think about having your own art website? Your website your rules.

>>2786467
No one cares about your website unless you're successful. Successful in term you're actually famous. I even rarely visit my favorite artists personal blog sites because I forgot about their existence. Personal websites sucks

>>2785535
Tagging on Pixiv is easy, just find pics from pixiv on a booru that woukd have the same tags as your drawing.

>>2786436
Can a Western artist become popular on pixiv though? What's the % of Japanese users on it?

>>2786467
From a hosting perspective it's the best option. From a networking perspective it's completely irrelevant unless you're established

>>2786382
what do you mean? I use instagram all the time and I like it more than tumblr. Sometimes I have digital files I want to upload and I have to fit them to the square canvas, it's annoying

>>2786495
If you care what you want, you aren't thinking profitably.

>>2786489
Nothing matters. Only tags and your art. Even bad one can be popular if it's some kind of meme
>http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=11246082
>Germany

>>2786504
this makes no sense

>>2786510
I would drag my dick through a mile of the broken glass that is facebook twice a day if it would improve my job opportunities, but thankfully I'm a statistician and not an artist so twitter is the lowest I have to go. I have to use languages and programs that are dogshit because they are industry standard and what I am expected to use to make 80k.

Oh wait, I got the post chains confused and thought you were that other retard. Nevermind.

>>2786512
well yeah I understand that, that's why I'm using instagram and tumblr instead of [obscure art site]

>>2784932
concept art forums is unfortunately already dead.
Deviant art may be next but it still seems to have a lot of years left in it.

>>2786495
>have to fit them to the square canvas

My point was that you've been able to post images as landscape and portrait orientation for quite some time now. They removed the "square" restriction ages ago.

>>2786027
Pinterest?

>>2786781
Pinterest is shit.