/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

didnt get an answer in the old thread so reposting here

I'm getting close to finishing gurney's book on color and light, but there's a section of the subject it didn't go into deeper detail. I understand the basics of hue, and value changes now, but saturation remained a mystery for me. Any good readings on the subject?

>>2776409
Google chroma

>>2776439
Well good for you.
I'm pretty much new here as well and I like it.
Mostly good criticism.

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Asking for a crituque on this embarassing crap is my punishment for drinking during the middle of the week, Sorry.

I resent the SNP for delegitamizing the cause of Scots Nationalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKgGTANQQg

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>>2776444
Here is the reference. From a big colletion an anon here dumped one time, thanks.

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wip

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Fuck me

>>2776509
Can't see any glaring issues with the face, besides from the ear being too far back. I think you can tell that the hand is off. It doesn't look like you've considered what space the hand is taking up in the image, it seems to just disappear behind the chin.
Pretty good tho, better than me at least.

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i want you guys to tell me whats wrong with these lines, im starting from the basics up to see what im doing wrong.

im not a digital guy so i used my mouse but bare with it

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>>2776404
still struggling with leg measurements

the knee always goes at the middle right?

I'm like a super beginner so i am doing the "Keys to Drawing", but i don't have most of the the things he asks me to draw. Should i just use the most similar thing i can find? I also have no idea where to find a model, so should i just look up pictures on the internet?

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>>2776397
I know a couple things wrong with this. Eye is fucked, hair is a mess, proportions are a little off. Still need some input on what's good and bad from senpai

>>2776637
there rarely are actual senpai here. its just us beginners mostly

>>2776641
Yeah, I guess so. Any feedback would be appreciated. Also, I think that between us beginners we have quite a bit of knowledge cause you can grasp a concept without necessarily being able to put it into practice.

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>>2776404
Please help me oh my god

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>>2776654
Sorry, posting from phone

>>2776655
try one more time

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>>2776659
I'm so sorry :C

>>2776660
This took me about 15 minutes! :0

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chicken!

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>>2776597

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I've only recently started to take drawing seriously but my biggest problem besides drawing good stuff, is motivation. I did this in about 1 hour 30 mins before giving up. can anyone tell me where ive gone wrong/how to improve??

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!

>>2776509
Eyes on a different plane than the face, don't do eyebrows like that, work on your line quality, focus on breaking the ref down into it's constituant forms more

>>2776444
Utterly borked proportions, nice trips though

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>>2776745
That front pincer looks flat compared to the rest of the drawing. Also, that thing protruding out of its back doesn't seem to be connected to the body in any way i suggest removing it. I changed the background value to make it stand out more, try varying the value range and use the lightest and darkest values sparingly for highlights and occlusion shadows.

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send help pls

>>2776872
Betty and Dodson. Then loomis.

Keep going lad you'll make it.

>>2776872
There is a god!

>>2776902
thanks
what is betty and dodson about? Im already doing loomis

>>2776911
Oh well it looks like you struggle a little bit with symbol drawing still.

Those two books are for absolute beginners. I.E .people who have never touched a pencil in their life. But even people who've drawn for a while can learn a thing or two from it.

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any good brush and tutorials for basic painting video there are so many vidoes about painting ibut can't find what i need i'm gonna do some photo study i asked this about previous, but nobody gave a shit

>>2776973
http://www.ctrlpaint.com

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>>2776402

I posted these "huge" drawn by mouse horrors yesterday and promised to try traditional for I haven't been doing that at all for at least 10 years (and all I did back then was airplanes or some shit). Made me think, what's a good time for a sketch before you review it and move to a new one? First I decided to go for 10 minutes, but even in that I started to regret even starting.

Anyways, here's what I got in 10, and as I said yesterday...


....Open fire!

(fat head, hip-knee:waist-breast, shoulder width; all off. And no, I didn't try to "copy", reference for guidelines and posture)

When doing freehand squares should I start by dotting the corners like in that drawabox exercise? How do I freehand squares?

>>2777044
by drawing a square

it sounds to me like you're so unconfident with your lines that you need a guideline for something as simple as a fucking square

do 8x line warmups every day when you wake up - a page or so is good. in a month you'll be impressed at how well you can draw a straight line

>>2777048
Well, when I do lines by themselves they pretty much always go where I want them, and a pretty straight. Only when I start doing squares usually one of the sides goes off the target. Do I draw it line at a time or in a single square motion?

>>2776409
pls recommend some more books on color

>>2777057
There's no rule to how you draw squares. Most people do it one line at a time.

I think you're overthinking this.

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>>2777006

She's visibly not pleased with the amount of replies!

Ruined just for you~

bump >>2776583

>>2777075

See: the old thread.

>>2777078
haha ebin joke friendo!
doesnt answer!
hahaha!
nice!

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>>2777075

Don't pay too much attention to the lines, since they're off aswell. But the 3D or cylinder effects seem to be off perspective -wise.

>>2777088
i see, do i keep practising these with my mouse?

>>2776637
not done portraits a lot, need to know what to fix and what to keep. crit me please

>>2777089

To be honest, I don't really see what's the point. You'll just learn to make skeletons inside images. I'd much rather try to draw from a model/reference image, even if it's just creating cylinders and stick figures.

That way as your imagination/visualization gets better you can start doodling from nothing.

Of course you might learn to perceive perspective a bit better, but to me it seems like a big effort for a small profit.

Have you drawn something? What technique? Wanna share? I imagine analyzing that might teach you more than these.

>>2777091

Do more!

Seems like the eye you mentioned is in a wrong perspective, the jawline aswell. Maybe it's the shading, maybe it's just off. What if you tried to make a guideline following the lower end of jawbone to bring up the perspective and then shade according to that?

What comes to hair, I wouldn't be too concerned. I feel like it's more "texturing" than proportions/perspective, so you'd want to concentrate on the fundamentals first.

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>>2777094
if im getting these wrong then i've identified a flaw thats somewhat fundamental. i need to fix this, im not sure how to go about it. heres more

>>2777102

Looks better to me!

Still, the top row third looks like the cylinder is facing almost directly towards the viewer, yours seem to be pointing over the viewer.

Last from bottom row is pointing too low imho.

Seems like you're using the bones as guides, but forget that they continue behind the torso and end up in a different place where you'd expect.

The more I look the more confused I get. Not really sure if this is a good practice or not, there should be someone more knowledgeable and experienced than I am. (noob from head to toe)

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derp derp derp derp derp funtasy is fun amirite

>>2777006
>>2777121
>tfw little anon only just began drawing and is already taking photos of his shitty pencils like an asshanded attention whore

You should start signing every single one of those sketches too.

>>2777121
oh look, its dark souls level design.
>>2777120
thanks for caring. your critique was a bit tough to understand, im not sure what you mean by bones continuing through the torso and me getting their positions wrong. do you mean that i am missing the bone placement where i cant see it? im not sure its good practise either, im going to do it for a few more minutes then try and draw the same ones on paper. i'll see if it helps.

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>>2777125

Trying to explain is horrid, but can't really show an example since can't do that either.

>>2777123

Ha! Got something outta you bozos, still 0/5 constructive criticism.

I kinda knew it would work, but maybe a reaction is not everything there is...

>>2777129

>do you mean that i am missing the bone placement where i cant see it?

Yup, you got me.

>>2777131
>0/5 constructive criticism
welcome to beg

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>>2777131
>getting assmad and expecting constructive criticism on things you are obviously drawing for the first time in your life

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>>2777135

>>2777150

Yes, 'cause learning out of wrong approaches is always easier than starting on the right path.

>reed da bok, reed da bok, reed da mothafuckin' bok

>>2777006
>>2777072
>>2777131
oh boy

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Trying out a new way to paint clothes but I'm not really satisfied with the results

>>2777157
read the motherfucking sticky, stop asking for crits handed to you on a silver platter when you won't even educate yourself on the most basic shit

>>2777157
stop attention seeking, its infantile.

>>2777157
>throwing a tantrum because he refuses to read a beginner book, even though he's a beginner

Read the sticky, do the exercises in keys to drawing, and get some self awareness.

>>2777166
>>2777164
Just ignore him lads

>>2777160
The problem rests in the line quality. Either get better at line weight or just blend the lines with the drawing.

>>2777170
Thanks for the help anon, I used to rely on pen pressure to change line weight but it seems that the result aren't that good. I will try to vary the brush size for line sketching next time.

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your least favorite figure tryhard faggot here. so this is the furthest im going with this. i think it makes my point that im pretty good at copying. and i started the homework for the first figure lesson

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>>2777199

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>>2777200

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>>2777202
so as you can see, i dont really have a hard time copying figure. its translating this to imagination thats the problem. each of those mannequins took less than 10 min each. im not going to do 25 of these like the lesson says too but i feel i can move on.

>>2777200
Drawabox's Figure Drawing course is unironically awful. Loomis.

oh and the ref for >>2777199
is here >>2773007

>>2777208
why did a bunch of people tell me to do it then. it wasnt just the last thread either

>>2777215
Because they don't know what they're talking about

>>2777219
welp okay. im going to do it anyways because i need all the resources i can get, im going to try hampton to. is he good? also how do you suggest i solve my being able to copy well but not draw from imagination well problem. i cant even draw basic poses that well

>>2777205
These honestly aren't very strong, your proportions and gesture aren't very good. The reason people go on about loomis is because he teaches proper proportion, which makes a massive difference in how good the figure looks/feels. Just flip through his figure drawing book and look for the page on proportions, that should get you on the right track. Also just as a tip, don't count out proportions in head lengths, it's tedious and very prone to errors. Loomis' books is full of better shortcuts for proportions, don't get too caught up with heads.

>>2777222
Drawing from imagination comes with time and experience, you need good fundamentals to do it well. I personally haven't read hampton, but I would bet anything it's a hundred times better than drawabox's lessons

Why are people saying drawabox is bad all of a sudden? I've been told to do it as well after finishing Keys to Drawing but now I have doubts

>>2777222
>>2777230
Oh also, for getting better at gesture you just have to do a lot of gesture drawings. If you can find a class nearby, perfect. If not, these sites are decent.

https://line-of-action.com/
https://www.quickposes.com/

>>2777222
Yes, Hampton is good. It's easier to go through if you already have some basic knowledge, because unlike Loomis he will not explain everything and kinda assumes you already have a decent understanding of proportions and mechanical skills. Worth a try at whatever skill level you are, assuming you keep in mind to look at additional sources if something is unclear.

> im going to do it anyways
I don't think it will hurt, but since there are so many better resources (Loomis, Hampton, Bridgman, Vilppu) I think it's a waste of time.

>>2777233
It skips over a lot of important perspective rules, uncomfortable always goes on about how he "doesn't use vanishing points" where really he's just internalized perspective already, so he's basically setting you up for failure by trying to make his exercises more accessible.

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>>2777162

So this is what I should be doing for the next eternity?

I know I was being a bitch, but the main thing is that I actually got drawing - yes, selfish maybe, but it's easy to give in under anonymity. Only thing I needed was someone forcing it onto me, and I got what I wanted.

First time drawing and first time enjoying it (even when I was "throwing a tantrum")

Cheers beg...

>>2777233
Lecture 1 and 2 contain valuable exercises, the Dynamic Sketching course is decent for beginners. It's not that bad. Granted, there are better sources, but they are less accessable. Beginners on /ic/ shit on Drawabox these days because someone said it was bad for this or that reason and it was mindlessly passed on, like so much on this board. Don't be sheep, make your own judgement and choices.

His Figure Drawing course sucks though.

drawabox is amazing up until animals, at which point it becomes subjective and dodges some important fundies

>>2777222
nice double trips but check my 3

>>2777233
i think some people are assmad that hes patreoning it and actually enough to pay the bills

>>2777227
EHH, I mean literally one you quoted the overlays match perfectly, i know theres no gesture but the homework didnt call for it.

>>2777234
ah i know of those sites. ive havent really messed with gesture in a long time so ill brush up on that

>>2777239
ill def try his resources, apparently im not getting much from loomis, hogarth, and vilppu.

so i have a broader question in general. i seem to struggle a lot with lack of gesture. am i supposed to start EVERY figure drawing with gesture, including copying? usually i just draw the torso/hip boxes and if i copy i just draw the outline around those and if i try from imagination ill do my best to attach cylinders and such and then draw the outline around that. im guessing i should draw the gesture first, then bean/boxes on top of that, then attach cylinders and such after?

for drawabox I didn't like the way the lessons and tutorial was laid out. plus, there are tons of resources out there from much better artists, so why settle being taught things that he learned from other teachers in a bad way when you could just learn from the people he learned from? his stuff seems to dive in too quick and is needlessly complicated.

>>2777205
>when the Dunning Kruger hits haaaard

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What software should I use to paint like pic related?

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>>2777271
>25 drawings of figures. No extraneous detail, just the basic mannequin I covered in this lesson. Do not deviate from this method.
>http://drawabox.com/lesson/8

also, see
>>2777199
have another here

>>2777273
thats pretty good
the breasts are too high though

>>2777272
probably photoshop

>>2777273
I'm saying what you did was extremely low quality yet you are saying
>so as you can see, i dont really have a hard time copying figure
is hilarious

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>>2777282
and im saying thats what the exercise called for and you completely ignored the painted one above it

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>>2777273
Teach me, master

I looked for "beginners", ended up in "explaining why I'm good"

>>2777284
>so as you can see, i dont really have a hard time copying figure
>posted proportionally insane deformed mannequins

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these are bad examples because i stopped doing these after a while but i legit had some 25 of these before i fucking lost my folder with all my exercises in it

>>2777285
r u being sarcastic

>>2777277
thanks i think youre right but she's supposed to be leaning in too

>>2777295
>r u being sarcastic

No.

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>>2777294
did you even check the overlays?

ill admit theres issues but they arent 'insane deformed'. prokos figures arent even exact copies theres slight variations here and there

>>2777296
study all resources described above, measure, squint, flip canvas and such to see if anything is obviously wrong when you look at it from other angles, desaturate and check values, once you get comfortable with color you can use the color picker to CHECK, you can also use overlays to CHECK. just dont rely on those tools. mileage

>>2777295
>r u being sarcastic
these two guys dont like you because you complimented yourself, its not great to do that but in that case you were identifying something that wasnt a relative flaw and in general that image was pretty good for /beg/. it has some significant proportion problems though, breast and ribcage are too high, some other things.

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>>2776401
spent around an hour and a half on this
it's not much objectively but for me it's good because I used to only copy reference for half an hour.

new meds are working I guess

>>2777303
i wasnt trying to compliment myself, i just meant that i think im at a point where i can copy figures pretty well and want to move on to the next thing, imagination

>>2777273
Is this a cubism?

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>>2777329
>i think im at a point where i can copy figures pretty well

even when i trace a photo the line art looks off to me

>>2777334
you need internal lines to show form and stuff that a photo wont have if it's just line art
I think so

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>>2777333
okay how perfect does your figure have to be to considered 'pretty well'

proko apparently doesnt even have to have an entire dimension match and he still has 72k and 99% likes on this

>>2777302

Thanks. I wasn't even the one who posted, but it just seemed like obvious sarcasm to me.
Your advice, tho, was noted and therefore not wasted.

>>2777334

Because real photos is not made of lines. It's made of forms. You have to draw the lines that represent those forms.

Eyes are not an almond shapes. It is a ball inside the eye socket underneath the skin. The part where you see the eyeball is the opening of the skin. The lines on the eyelids are not lines they are actually folded skin.

Don't just draw what you see. Understand what you see. Look for videos/books on face anatomy. You don't need to memorise all the parts you just need basic understanding of what it is and that'll help you understand the forms.

What is the point of posting in this thread with a single 5 minute sketch that you've done in an entire day? Doesn't anyone realise that in order to get good you have to do the same drawing over and over to develop your eye? I'm not an artist but I've lurked off and on for years and it's always the same, no matter what the hobby is.

>>2777345
what are you even trying to show

>>2777295
damm how the fuck did you do this??
who here /drawabox/ now

>>2777345

I don't think these rehearses are done to teach you to copy something, but to draw humanoids in all forms and postures. That's why it's good to use different kind of reference images/live models.

After you get 'em lookin' good (good != identical but good = natural) you can start to use similar technique to draw from imagination.

It's all about proportions and perspectives, not about transferring information to your sheet of paper.

That's why I think this whole "lel u gud @ dis, dem ovrleys dunt even match" argument/conversation is silly and uncalled for.

Keep on going, I think you're great, but there's always more to learn. It's for you to decide wether to push forward or to keep on rounding the edges.

>>2777351
>drawabox
I'd be weary of learning from someone who cant even draw themselves. I'm not saying all the information is bad, but it is just regurgitated from other sources. Why not skip the middle man?

>>2777349
prokos drawing measures up with his reference vertically from the top of the head to the feet. yet literally everything else is off about it. why does proko get to be so inaccurate with his drawings (i mean look at the figure right leg compared to the drawing ffs, not to mention everything fucking else) yet my MANNEQUIN up here >>2777302 has maybe some slight measurements yet its considered by the other anon to be "insane deformed". these are both mannequin drawings yet fucking prokos copy is less proportionate than mine

>>2777359
"insanely deformed" was an insult, not criticism if you ask me.
The real difference is not matching the reference image, but having form. Compare the amount of form between your mannequins and the "prokos" one.

ok so im currently doing these right now >>2777088 >>2777102 , just drawing the hipbone and ribcage of figures. its not that im failing at it, i think they are generally the right shape and in the right place, but no matter how much i practise, they just dont look right. its like they are just not good somehow. what is my flaw here? what can i do about this?

>>2777348
That's how most beginner start. It's hard to get into the habit. Especially when you're used to doing nothing but entertain yourself. Start by drawing one thing a day and eventually those who stick to it will start to develop the habit.

im just starting draw a box. just find a bunch of figure refs and arrange your photoshop to have two windows with one big black canvas (i use 5k x5k) and have all the refs tabbed in other window and copy them the best you can

on a side note, what the FUCK is with these multiple captcha solves, is this some shitty attempt to get people to buy a gold pass out of sheer irritation

>>2777371
jewgle bucks
set your option to legacy captcha

>>2777371
woops meant for

>>2777351

>>2777362
i was just following the directions on drawabox, the next lesson is literally taking the simplified mannequin to 3d form

>>2777356
well thanks, i figured i was doing something right. ill just have to find something to get me over this fucking block

>>2777373
ah thanks ill do that

>>2777371
>big black canvas
>BBC
fucking 4chan getting in my head

i meant big blank canvas

>>2777295
>r u being sarcastic
Yes I was being sarcastic. Your painting is not half as good as you think it is.

>>2777345
>>2777359
Jesus Christ, I won't waste my time explaining gesture and form exercises to you. He was not going for exact proportional measurement in this.

If you think you're ready to move on, move on, but spare us your self-congratulations. That some /beg/inners in here think your work is genuinely good makes it even worse. Not gonna make it, all of you.

Also, in case it wasn't obvious
>>2777296 not me

>>2777366
Maybe you don't have enough understanding of it? Google for body anatomy/skeleton images analyze the parts then simplify it. Then give it another try.

>>2777374
I guess that's why people keep dissing drawabox. Why not try making cylinders next (a bit like prokos?) and after that feels comfortable, then full 3D?

>>2777279
Any specific versions?

>>2777381
>>>2777296 (You) not me

I was being sarcastic!

>>2777272
No program is going to make you paint like this.

>>2777359
you have shitty fundies, go back to step one, shitty 2d forms
fucked perspective
shitty anatomy
zero sense of proportion
garbage line quality

you have an autistic photocopying skill of outline, and zero understanding of form

>>2777393
not him but i disagree, he has the understanding of form enough for his current level i think. he needs to elaborate and add detail and fix his proportional issues.

>>2777408

sledgehammer distorted
sword distorted
bow arc proportions off

>justweaponthings

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>>2776400

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CANT DO

>>2777425
>CANT DO
REDO

>>2777425
first on your menu
line quality
its actually more important than anything else for you right now

>>2777428
>muh line quality

im not going to be drawing gay anime so i dont care about that lmao

>>2777431
ebin trole

>>2777431
never gonna make it

>>2777425
nice traps

>>2777431
Then enjoy having shitty everything because you can't even draw clean lines.

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>>2777425
I probably shouldn't be out here red-lining, but the best advice I ever got was being told to break thing down into simple shapes. Try to break the body into parts then work your way into a whole figure. Cylinders, squares, etc.

>>2777432
>>2777433
>>2777435
>drawing in photoshop
>on a tablet

nows not the time for line quality. would be a total waste of energy

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>>2777425
>>2777434
can't be unseen

>>2777393
so much salt

>>2777439
who needs clean lines anyway amirite xD

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Why do mine look so shitty compared to what Hampton?
>inb4 just draw more of them
I know, but what are the major mistakes i'm making?

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>>2777462

2

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>>2777463
>>2777462
3

>>2777462
>>2777463
>>2777466
Very nice! Good reminder I need to pick up Hampton's shit again.

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>>2776397
Beginner here just learning eyes for the first time.
Do your worst /ic/.

>>2777462
>>2777463
>>2777466
Lookin' good. Keep goin!

>>2777480
>learning eyes for the first time
You don't learn how to draw things one at a time like that. You're just going to draw symbols. You need to understand how to see and draw forms, not symbols.

Read the sticky to get started.

>>2777487
>>2777474
Wasn't expecting that. Thanks!
Yeah, I'm doing Hampton's course week by week, following the exact curriculum.

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>>2777496
I tried to get away from symbolic drawing. I have read the sticky and I've been studying construction. I'm not just copying what I've seen from a picture. I'm at least trying to draw it from memory while imagining it in 3d sort of like this. The point is to focus on each part individually to improve my visual library. Am I being a moron by doing this?

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Can i get some opinions on my work so far, i have a hard time with faces and heads it seems.

>>2777511
Mmm, kinda a moron way to go about it. I like that you're trying to think differently, but you've misinterpreted it slightly. Don't worry about "visual library" right now, that word's usually (mis)used as a meme in defense of people who hate using references.

Use references. Hell, even try to copy what you see from a picture, you can learn things from that too. Look at a model (not necessarily a supermodel, common mistake, especially in this thread) and practice gestures. I don't know how to explain this kind of stuff very well, but that's why the sticky has links to books that DO. Don't just browse, start from chapter one. Loomis might be a meme, but he's a damn good meme.

>>2777497
Oh shoot!!! He has a course? Online? Or are you just following the book? I would absolutely throw some coins at that man.

>>2777511
1. Use a brush with pressure sensitivity.
2. Before trying to construct forms from imagination you must first understand how to construct forms at all. So learn basic perspective and draw a shit load of cubes in accurate perspective (go over the lines and double check for accuracy) then you should try this again

>>2777272
>chromatic aberration
why

where can i get hamptons figure stuff at? its not in the artbook thread

>>2777511
If you are a beginner (and that you are), you really ought to do studies from photos to see whether or not you actually understand the construction of what you are drawing. Find a photo of an eye and break down all the anatomy you see. Observe how the eye sits in a socket in relation to the brow ridge etc.

>>2777528
Google Figure Drawing: Design & Invention.

>>2777521
what are those lines between the eyes? can't you draw a shadow instead of that?

>>2777511
>>2777522
>>2777529
>>2777524
To correct this I actually more meant that I wasn't directly copying a picture. I was still using references.

I tried to do a quick drawing from a different angle on a sort of vilppu face. Am I missing the point of construction or is the eye still symbolic?

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>>2777564
Shit, no picture.

>>2777566
It's super duper symbol drawing. Just start reading from page one.

>>2777566
this is perfect
if you're trying to give people nightmares

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>>2777574
Would you be willing to find a picture of a non-symbol drawing? Would this suffice?

>>2777566
You're going into details waaaaaaaaay too early, build it up first, learn where eyes are correctly placed. You have a bunch of resources are your finger tips. Just google face proportions. I'd suggest studying with paper and pencil first.

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>>2777566
That looks sort of nothing like vilppu's construction

>>2777555
Im not sure, trying to make a shadow would be a better idea thanks

>>2777576
>20M
Actually most of my art ends up looking sort of like an edgy twelve year old kid's. So you may not be totally off.

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Just got a used wacom tablet yesterday for $20. Have never really drawn seriously before, so I'm king shitter for now.

I did this based on >>2776404 and the face was so funny that I couldn't bring myself to erase it.

I hope you all will enjoy her beautiful gaze. It's drawn from the deep pits of my passions and despairs.

Pls critique, though. Pretty sure the scratchy lines are a reviled stereotype here, right? I want to practice drawing every day. Where should I begin? Is figure drawing too advanced for me at this point?

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Just doing some exercises from "How to Render".

>>2777583
Oh wow. I watched that same video a couple of months ago. Yes, it does not. I seem to not have a good memory. The head isn't even an egg.

>>2777582
I'm curious, why the pen and pencil? The tablet is what I would primarily use.

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>tfw finally drew a head from the loomis that resembles a human
I don't why this makes me so happy but it does

>>2777588
hey man, that doesn't look too bad!
I suggest you start learning about perspective and building figures out of shapes, try a lot of new things and try to not scribble too much.

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How the fuck do you draw noses lads?

Even when I trace it it does not fucking look like anything. Very frustrating and confusing.

>>2777588
This is actually a nice start. Ribcage is too narrow, legs are too short, but it looks like if you practice some more and learn to read shapes better, you could very well produce some good-looking stuff. I see some potential! You're already off to a good start as far as looking at something and... kind of... replicating it goes. Start simple!

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>>2777599

>>2777588
geezus that face is terrifying. If you're doing digital you have no excuse for cutting of the feet like that. You really oughta resize and do the feet too if your drawing is running off the canvas. try capturing the figure with less lines and longer strokes to reduce the scritch scratch. ctrl + z is your friend.

>>2777599
Noses are confusing because people think of the nostril as a part of it.

Just think of it as a triangular wedge then attach the wings

>>2777595
May just be my personal preference, but it's a good way to work on line quality. Your current line quality looks scratchy and shaky. Also it's easier to loosen up if you start out with trad shit imo.

>>2777599
you gotta draw a transition from nose to upper lip

>>2777620
Holy shit, just tried that out. I'm okay with noses but they're an ordeal to get correct sometimes. Just blew my mind.

Some scetch of mine. What do you say on the perspective, and composition? I have an idea to ink this with using scale, add more details, more carefully lines etc, so I want to fix mistakes

>>2777631
I actually like it, good work.

>>2777631
Looks like shit.

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Some scetch of mine. What do you say on the perspective, and composition? I have an idea to ink this with using scale, add more details, more carefully lines etc, so I want to fix mistakes
P.S. forget I forgot to download pic, sorry

>>2777631
Great work

>>2777598
>>2777602
>>2777615
Thanks, guys. That's encouraging.

And I did want to draw the feet too, but I wasn't sure of how to make my canvas any bigger or resize, so I just ran out of room and said fuck it. I'll figure that out today! Thanks for the critiques!

>>2777637
Looks like shit.

>>2777634
>>2777638
yeah, silly. I'm drunk and try to writte in english. It's kind a diificult thing for my with my knowlege of languege

>>2777637
This looks like it's the first page in your sketchbook, draw some more.

>>2777641
ok, some constructively plz

>>2777637
grey fox?

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Posted this in the other thread. How fucking bad am I? Should I give up on art?

>>2777644
I will, of course, but firstly I want to make something with it

>>2777646
sort of. Some abstract ninja- cyborg

>>2777647
I'm a firm believer in everyone should try drawing/painting/etc., but buddy, it looks like you just fucking started. Draw more, see if it's for you or brings you some sort of joy, then give up if it doesn't.

>>2777656
thanks. I hope I have some sort of progression in the years to come.

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>>2777647
Everyone starts somewhere anon. I would recommend picking up Keys to drawing by Bert Dodson and/or Drawing on the right side of the brain by Betty Edwards. Sticky has both, I believe.

>>2777596
It is the feeling of progress my man, nothing better.

>>2777667
regarding those faces, are you getting those lines first time using pencil? no construction?

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>>2776560
>>2776786

Thanks anons. I tried to refine it. Having trouble with the hand and that left eye.

>>2777705
loads better

>>2777684
All the bottom ones and the top right are drawn from life, on the bus. I rarely have too much time to sketch the people before they leave, so I rarely use construction on them. I use a Fineliner to sketch while on the go, pencils smudge my sketchbook
.
The creepy old man is a copy of another artist work, I used more of a grid system with it, but Nothing too fancy, just major proportions. I used a pencil underdrawing

If I actually have time, like if I am drawing from a photo, friends/family are posing or figure drawing I do use construction.

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Look: I drew hed

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>>2777733
I need to learn better perspective, and understand better the proportions of humans

Everyone's getting lucky sevens

>>2777667
What do you call the creatures with the elliptical heads?

>>2777731
if you are getting those lines first time and without construction then i think that is impressive.

>>2777739
I like to imagine the one in the boat giving a finger to his rear while slowly floating away like a boss, and the other guy shocked for him not realizing there's a bridge on his way.

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>>2777746
Yeah man

>>2777746
It looks like the duck is more concerned with his safety; the man just looks unenthused and a bit glad that it's going to hit the fan for him

>>2777744
They don't really have a name yet, just kinda demon characters. I use them to practise what I learn from Famous artist cartoon courses book.

>>2777745
Its odd, I can get good lines when I am sketching in a bus of all places, but Inking, even when I have a under drawing gives me a hard time. I guess the fact that they are sketches done fast make me chill and not worry fucking up.

>>2777772
After you git gud: you should make a narrative out of them

>>2777739
That's a container in the distance also

I think I'll do a funny joke and include a container and a man holding up his middle finger sitting down in his boat in every study I complete for the rest of my life

>>2777785
The container started sinking into the ground hoping to miss the tragedy of bridge-boat -collission?

>>2777792
No; the container has been having suicidal thoughts and has been contemplating jumping off of the cliff behind him for the past few hours, and wasn't concentrating on the man

>>2777781
When I get my shit in check, for sure.

>>2776397
Hey guys I have a question related to something.

Two nights ago I started Betty's book and I drew Picasso's Stravinsky upside down. And it did not look to bad, it was leaning wayy to the right but I got so much detail down.

And after I got done with it I felt so good, like I discovered something new in my life. Is this what progress feels like anons? Because I'm in love.

>>2777841
Yes, but it was your first hit, you'll never get a high that strong, now you just chase.

>https://allpoetry.com/The-Perfect-High

>>2777843
>now I just chase
I don't care if it takes me a lifetime now to become 'perfect' I love doing this.

I'm so happy I've stumbled upon this board. I love you faggots for reigniting my interest in drawing. Now if you excuse me I have to get BACK TO WORK.

Why do I only get the feeling of not failing utterly, and have to settle with that?

I want this "love" aswell!

>>2777388
brutal

daily reminder not to dick around on the internet while drawing.

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I tried to paint that guy from the previous thread. source is the left. I tried to focus on the values and construction of the face. How am I doing?

>>2777888
i think it looks nice as a drawing, the values are pretty good etc
but i feel like there are small things off about your study, like the (viewers perspective) left eye andthe forehead being at a sliiightly different angle
but all in all, i think its a pretty good likeness mang

Question, so I am in the process of training my arm to not touch the paper when I draw. I'm getting better but when I want to do more fine things like hatching, is it okay if I let my wrist lay on the page or should I just go all out float above the page

>>2777892
No rules, just tools and the tool you're looking for is a book under your elbow. Comes in handy when hatching in ink as well.

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send help

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>>2777272
I've never seen yaoi hands on girls before.
It's not great.

advice for 1st time tablet user, got an intuos draw today feelsgoodman

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Every portrait I draw ends up the same like this. How do I make em good?

>>2777901
Practice. Update your drivers.

>>2777905
Midtone paper, trois crayons.

>>2777901
First tablet or second?
The first thing you do is to try drawing circles and lines on a big canvas I guess.

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wip
any advice?

>>2777097
Ok, got it. Glad to hear that hair isn't that big of a deal, cause at first glance it seems hard. Thanks for your crit famalam

The book tells me to draw from memory but I am incapable of doing so. I'm literally starting the lines then erase it all, it looks nothing like my father, and the worst part is I can barely recall my fathers face. I've never really paid attention to faces and the frustration is killing me, in my past drawings I'm seeing the blatant symbol drawing and its killing me.

Can I skip this part and just focus on the hand and self portrait? Or else it will literally be one of those retarded sketches the kids in special ed 4th grade class make about sonic and pokemon.

I just can't.

>>2777937
how about looking at something now, and then drawing it from memory without looking at it after

>>2777937
Draw gandalf. Right now.

Should I go through both the Edwards and the Dodson books, or do they both just teach exactly the same stuff?

>>2777946
Just Dodson. Then when you feel all nice and confident, move on to fundamentals.

>>2777952
Um, already into Edwards though, and was just wondering if I should do Dodson next. Does it leave a lot of stuff out or something?

>>2777957
it's been a long time since I read either but Keys is less wordy and he has a sense of humor, so I tell people to go with that. Also I work in cognitive science and edwards is an idiot.

>>2777986
never gonna make it

>>2777986
Why does everyone in this thread make long-winded attention whoring posts about fucking everything? There's no weird old trick, just fucking do it until you get it right or kill yourself.

>>2777992
>>2777993
>>2777941
>>2777939
I ended up breaking down and crying over the fact I have a terrible memory, proceeding to smash some supplies and tear apart my viewfinders. I can see something in my head but everytime I try to make it come to life either its not detailed enough in my head or I revert to symbol drawing on paper, or both, in which case I tear out the page and become more frustrated.


Reading on I discovered I am incapable of seeing past the "symbols" unless I look at a picture upside down. I'm going to try to draw Einstein upside down now.

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>>2777993
He's probably never had an ounce of discipline in his life. No surprise.

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>>2777922
Widen the shoulders, and slope them downward a little more.

>>2777894
thank you, my hatches are MUCH neater now

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>>2778004
holy shit man

calm down it's just a hobby

>>2778030
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Fuck drawing. I ain't got the time for this. I'm 22 and have been drawing seriously for only 3 years. No improvement to talk of. Both traditional and digital, I have gone nowhere.

I'll be middle-aged by the time I'm halfway good, and that's assuming I somehow end up learning how to practice correctly and start evolving.

Even a medical degree doesn't take this long. Why would anyone put themselves through this unless they started way earlier than me?

All of you who are like 20 and think you still have time: from my 5-year degree that gets me an actual job and security in my life, I'll be laughing at you, as you are outperformed by some 16-year old that started drawing when he was 5.

Have fun with your "dreams". I have seen the light and it is not here.

>>2777888
heres a few really subtle thing i noticed that are affecting your likeness

>bottom eyelid is covering more of the eye in your drawing
>exagerrated 'M' shape of the upper lip in your drawing
>hook nose

>>2778017
Day in and day out it's increasingly more autistic blogposts by dangerously underage newfags. Follow the lessons and if it doesn't look like the picture, do it again. If you can't do something, do it til you can or do something else. This shouldn't need explaining.

We really need to go russian art gulag with this shit. Draw Sergei until you get it right. Anything else doesn't get feedback.

>>2777922
>mfw d/ic/ks assblasts my figure and portraits for painting shitty drawings yet doesnt even bother pointing out blantly obvious issues with shit like this and even tells them to carry on

>>2778051
>5-year degree
Can't even do it in 4 like everyone else.

>>2778060
lol mad

>>2778051
how do you explain people who have actually -got good- on ic

stop making excuses for not applying yourself

>>2778068
Same as people who get better from therapy, they were going to anyway.

>>2778063
yeah pretty much that fucking niggers eyes arent even proportionate not to mention being placed wrong then he gets told to tweak the shoulders (not even close to the most important thing in the piece).

these are the people giving us advice /beg/.

>>2778074
your drawings still suck

>>2778078
so why do mine get ripped apart but that one doesnt? the lips dont even look normal, in any pose. the chin is misshapen, has a 7head. but apparently the only issue is the fucking shoulders

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going to try and draw everyday for 2017. got like 20 mins in today after like a month of not touching art in anyway cos of having a job and being lazy. What do you guys think? any recs on what i should study and how?

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how did I do? haven't drawn much in two months :/

>>2778084
The limitations of human perception are such that all anons see is that it doesn't look like them. It's like trying to tell deer apart. All I see is, "Yup, she looks black". We think in symbols.

>>2778089
You are hopeless.

Kill self.

>>2778094
Your taste keeps getting worse and more namedroppingly pretentious.

>>2778051
I might be a crybaby but it doesn't mean I'm going to give up.

I mean I draw like shit and get roasted constantly, I've been reigning in the blogpost-tier posts but even then my "art" is far from anything because I still symbol draw. But its the fact that I recognize this that keeps me going, I didn't see it before, and now as I'm drawing an upside down portrait I'm going to keep trying.

Also, I'm a 20 year old uni student studying business admin, accounting, specifically, GAAP and I'm working as well so when I graduate I'll get my CPA certification and a good job.

Post your work. Did you follow the sticky? Have you read keys/loomis/DOTRSOTB?

Five years from now I hope to be able to have a style of art that is beautiful yet simple, and at the same time be able to make beautiful masterpieces I can take my time on. Its going to be hard work but discipline is learned, not inherent.

TLDR post work if you're gonna bitch a fit

>>2778094
>age 10-12
>the beatles
>bach
>mozart

LOL fuck off

>>2778096
so youre say you look at that shitty fucming drawing and thought "yep shes a nigger" and didnt notice all those glaring issues above yet youll look at mine, talk tons of shit, and when i successfully defend myself on a few points you eve move the goal post? what im saying is my question wasnt answered

>>2778094
garbage delet this post

>>2778114
Pretty much, also different anon.

>>2778094
this is a carefully crafted shitpost

I almost fell for it.

>>2778051
not gonna make it

>>2778119
go on

>>2778114
his art has soul yours is a bunch of weird plastic outlines that dont have any form
king of mount stupid

>>2778114
top kek mayte how long did you spend polishing those fucking pieces of shit?

>>2778109
>I've been reigning in the blogpost-tier posts

Your lack of self-awareness is only matched by your hubris.

>Five years from now I hope to be able to have a style of art that is beautiful yet simple, and at the same time be able to make beautiful masterpieces I can take my time

Can you get more pretentious? Discipline won't get you this. The word you're looking for is "miracle".

>>2778123
>not gonna make it

Not as an artist. But then again, neither will you.

>>2778106
>implying you are familiar with the artists you deem """" pretentious """"""""

>>2778111
My dad shoved the beatles on me, and I listened to Bach/Mozart to help me go to sleep.

>>2778117
>>2778123
Ignoring the text really isn't that hard.

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I live in LA have 0 drawing experience but find myself looking at art every day for the past couple years.

Is there any school worth going to in LA someone can point me to? I always get too depressed when i pursue something on my own so i figure i'll go to school for this to help give me guidance.

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>>2778130
>I can't do it therefore no one else can!
>H-ha ha, s-shitty artists, m-m-my wagekek job is much better than your hard earned skill!

>come to the /beg/ threads and see a goldmine of keks, just sitting there

Keep it, its all yours my friend.

>>2778131
your art is before-beginner tier garbage idk what you want to hear

>>2778004
Pretty sure the entire point of the drawing from memory exercise was just to demonstrate how you rely on symbols to draw stuff. If you had just drawn generic eyes nose and mouth and made a circle around it you would have been doing basically what the exercise intended. Just do what you can do and stop being a drama queen.

>>2778141
I smashed my pencil case out the window so I cant really finish the exercise now

>>2778131
Dude, I didn't read a single word of that pretentious garbage. Your art is shit. If you really are 19 now, I don't know what to tell you. Might consider getting a new hobby.

Maybe you could start your own new-old-wave pretentious indie band or something.

>>2778143
You copy pasted the post too early. /a/ tier mistake.

>>2778133
If you can't pursue it alone a school will not help, you want someone to hold your hand through this when really the most learning comes from the self, you're going to be the one drawing and painting, and no amount of pandering will change this.

>>2778145
Cant tell if you're a shitposter replying to himself or fucking retarded.

>>2778089
Read the sticky.

>>2778148
what's going on in this post lmao

>>2778148

I get that, i wouldn't mind if someone gave me a rec for a school though regardless.

>>2778129
depends on what youre talking about. a lot shorter than you probably think

>>2778126
>squinting eyes (that arent even consrructed right)
>half smile (that isnt even constructed right)
>looking over shoulder
wwhoooaa so much soul man, he threw three cheap fucking tricks at you and you fell for all of them. take youre fucking place emperor of mt stoopid. at least i can say i give a fuck about improving and will even bother to check my work before im 75% finished

>>2778125
For various reasons, we can't tell niggers apart just like chinks think all white people look like brad pitt. In many instances, we're proven to think symbolically and often it's a very small collection of symbols. I can't really list the good talking points as I had the plague through a third of the semester and spent more time traversing the underworld than I did in class. The gist is that the phenomenology of perception makes it so our individual reality is made up of shorthand symbols filling in blanks as much as it is actual sensory data and for unfamiliar things, it's mostly shorthand.

So not only do we symbol draw, but also see a picture and gestalt takes over and obscures that it's entirely fucking wrong.

>>2778153
your figures are literally outlines of photographs LOL

>>2778140
>>2778145
Wow you guys are mean, I spent 10 hours on a retarded /mu/ post and this vitriol is all I get in return?

>>2778159
yeah
>>2777284
>>2777199
>>2777273
are def outlines. why do i get the sense that your smug keking is actually covering a nervous smile kid?

>>2778160
Damn, you spent ten hours making something that should have taken 10 minutes just to get rekked for having shittier taste than the rest of /mu/?

WEW LAD

>>2778167
get the fuck out of my thread

>>2778153
not looking over her shoulder btw

>>2778170
as per the op
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up
>Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash

i dont think ill be leaving. friend

>>2778160
>10 hours

Impossible. This is literally 1/10 bait. Try saying like 2 hours next time. 10 is just unbelievable.

>>2778173
dont fucking reply to my posts ever again kid
*dashes at you*
nah, I wont do it

>>2778172
well great, there were only TWO gimmicks that got you

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>>2778169
>>2778174

/ic/ is actually retarded

What the fuck happened to the thread.

>>2778181
Banter.

>>2778181
morons.

new thread when

>>2778181
this happens when a troll shows up.

>>2778181
/ic/ has literally no resistance to baiting. Everything is dead fucking serious here.

>>2778194
We could all collectively stop being helpful to people who are absolute shit and instead offer criticism to those who present work that has clearly been brought close to some kind of standard, but all you fags are too soft for the russian art gulag approach.

I'm doing that gayass upside Down Picasso Stravinsky exercise again but keep over estimating the size of the lines and going beyond paper. Tips?

>>2778197
give up you dont have the spark of life that artists need

>>2778201
Suck my dick puto. I'm not quiting you twink.

>>2778202
ill kick your fucking ass

>>2778203
Insulting me online is where I DRAW the LINE. I'll make sure to WRITE your wrongs.

But seriously. Help me out. This is stressing me out.

I looked over at the sticky and maybe I just can't find it but does anyone have a good book or guide for working with charcoals?

>>2778197
Yeah this exercise is fucking stupid

>>2778220
btfo

>>2778223
>>2778223
>>2778223

>>2778223
>>2778223
>>2778223

The shoulder was the most obvious fix imo. Otherwise, everything else read close to how it should, just below the neck it was wrecked. Figured anon would eventually tweak mistakes in future paintings and learn from trial and error.

>>2777890
thanks, friend
>>2778055
yeah i had trouble capturing the shape of the dude's nose and upper lip. eye construction still fucks me up too.

>>2778074
Holy shit you're salty, and so sensitive. The more critique you get the happier you should be, rather than having no replies