LOL

>>2773454
post your work.

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>>2773456

Are these threads reportable yet

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>>2773454
>everyone has shortcomings
>you can make it regardless
>maybe I'm not that bad myself
>I can make it too

>>2773617
I need that stuff

every artist needs the burns needle

>>2773454
Its just a small little present Proko did for his Wife. Whats the problem with it.

>>2774206
Nothing, it's just funny that an artist who has dedicated his life to the mastery of the fundamentals is only able to draw like a shit tier webcomic artist when drawing from imagination. It's an eerie glimpse into the future of a certain group of elitist faggots on /ic/ who do nothing but study anatomy and draw from life / reference.

To be fair, cartoons or stylized work in general is a beast in its own right and involves a skillset, which he hasn't developed yet.

>>2774228
>>2774214
how is he so fucking awful though? just look at those fucking dogs

>>2774228
He should at the very least be able to draw some nice gestural dogs without using such awkward shapes and so many ugly, concave lines. I mean, he himself talks about these concepts in his gesture videos.

>>2773454
the best part is the lizard

WALL-EEEE
OH YOU

>>2774214
Why is it eerie? He's just isn't that passionate about comics and just having fun with it.

He is a traditional life figure drawing artist first and foremost and he's damn good at it

Just because his skills doesn't agree with your artistic goals, doesn't mean it is all of a sudden "eerie"

>>2774295
You should be able to apply at least some of the things you've learnt through countless of traditional life figure drawings. There's a set of universal fundamental skills that carry over to any individual artistic goal if you truly understood them. Otherwise you haven't really learnt anything at all and you just spent your time copying what's directly in front of you.

People always act like everyone should draw as good as they think. If that guy sucked so bad how'd you know it was a dog? Let that man draw and attempt to show people a glimpse into his mind. Yall have no idea how much you take away from the culture of art with that shit.

>>2774304
I always hear this vague myth of "skill transfer" between subskills. The thing is, you get good at exactly what you practice, there isn't any much "transfer" beyond that.

Doing countless of traditional figure drawings will make you extremely good at traditional figure drawing. That's it.

Sure knowing the fundamentals will give you a head start when you try out an entirely different genre. But it's really tiny.

While fundamentals are universal, each genre has an entirely different universe of subtleties, nuances, and skills far beyond the fundamentals. Knowing the fundamentals are only just the tip of the iceberg in each different genres.

Fundamentals are just, well, fundamentals. They are the absolute basics, there are so much more beyond that

OP's image is just about the skill level you would expect from someone who spent his entire life studying the figure, and there's nothing wrong with it.

If he really wants a career in comics, he would've done things entirely differently. But he didn't

>>2774319
>mfw I'm good at everything

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>>2774295
>he's damn good at it
no he even sucks dicks at that
>>2774319
>I always hear this vague myth of "skill transfer" between subskills. The thing is, you get good at exactly what you practice, there isn't any much "transfer" beyond that.
>i always hear
>the thing is
>hey listen to my opinion i'm omniscient that's how life is
no he's shit and you're shit too, shut the fuck up
pic related 12 years old picasso

>>2774319

I'm not talking about him failing at things that are unique to sequential art that he never learnt to do, I'm talking about him failing at simple, fundamental things that he SHOULD already know.

Being well-versed in construction and the principles of gesture drawing should at the very least give him the basic skill set to draw appealing dogs, provided he takes the bare minimum amount of time to look at some reference, which clearly he did based on that process video he posted.

Also, why is it that it's mostly fine artists who turn out to have zero carry-over to other art fields? Meanwhile I see lots of concept artists or illustrators who dabble into comics and vice versa who are often fairly decent at it.

>>2774390
>>Also, why is it that it's mostly fine artists who turn out to have zero carry-over to other art fields? Meanwhile I see lots of concept artists or illustrators who dabble into comics and vice versa who are often fairly decent at it.
They don't read comics, play vidya, or watch movies and cartoons as a job requirement. There is no ingrained concept of narrative in what they do all day. They don't think in stories. There's no play with pure design, no application of design into a character.

Not to mention they tend to have weird sexual hangups and therefore no fucking sense of humor. They spend all day drawing frumpy naked people for some higher ascetic purpose where illustrators draw bugs bunny raping elmer fudd to make their friends laugh.

This isn't a universal thing, but the consensus from other disciplines is that most fine art students don't actually like art. They can't name a favorite painter (or it's picasso or warhol), can't actually name any fine art movements unless they learned them in a class, and are generally no fun to be around. There are exceptions, but stereotypes come from somewhere.

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>>2774390
At first one thinks that contemporary artists are hacks. Then he starts studying art and discovers that modern artists were also hacks. Then, once one has dabbled with fundamentals, he discovers that most other artists are hacks too. At this point, people usually stop giving a fuck and start photobashing so hard they become Polish. They only exception is if you're Chinese, they are all geniuses and not hacks. This is the truth.
I wish I still had that image of the very first preparatory sketch from imagination of Repin's the Bargue Haulers from a Russian museum, which showed he had no idea how to deal with proportions/perspective because he didn't have the models in front of him. All the figures were dwarf-like, the line quality was shit, mistakes everywhere honestly you'd think a kid just tried to copy his work. But no, that was Repin, an artist who never tried to draw from imagination like many, most, others.

>>2773454
desu I actually like the comic and think is cute . Am i not allowed to come to /ic/ anymore?

>>2774427
Retards come and go as they please

>>2774237
>He should at the very least be able to draw some nice gestural dogs without using such awkward shapes and so many ugly, concave lines.
This

Cartoon animators practice from life all the time to get better at gesture drawing. He should be great at it

>>2774372
>12 years old picasso
AKA Picasso's daddy

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>>2774416
Looks like any other composition sketch.

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>>2773454
How a guy who can draw like this could make this?

This guy is literally Loomis of XXI century

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>>2773454

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>>2774497
Most everyone, even degenerate porn artists, can do that kind of rendering, you just never see it

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>>2774497
>thinking 6 months of art-school tier is something special

>>2774529
for me, yes
t. constantly /beg/ poster

>>2774529
Post your work

No one posted this

baka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOorjFsGNKU

>>2774501
thistbh

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>>2774372
>Could have hit this easily if I had the direction
>Had an immediate understanding of how to apply perspective back in the 6th grade
>Grew up in small-town Texas, and my dad drank 24/7, so I never had it

Life sucks.
Picasso is only a master because his father granted him a great artistic education.

I believe the average man could be a master like Picasso if pushed in the right direction.

>>2776612

>I believe the average man could be a master like Picasso if pushed in the right direction.

Yeah. Like off a fucking cliff.

>>2776640
You're idolizing him for no true reason.
He was handed everything he needed to succeed as an artist at the earliest possible age, and succeed he did.

He's only labeled a genius because of his mastery over advanced artistic theory at such a young age. It's simply not true. People bottle cap children when they've capabilities beyond what is accepted.

>>2776640
You hear about kids changing oil at 10 years of age. Learning art is no more challenging than learning that.

>>2776645

Not the guy. Just making a joke.

>>2774228
No it really doesn't. It needs construction and gesture, he already knew how to do that.

>>2776676
>It really doesn't

I believe there's more importance placed upon shape and proportion than ever before.

Every line truly does count. If you choose to make it hard (straight) or soft (curved), etc.

You can easily make and break attractive design in 2 seconds.

You're a fool if you think it's easy to go from life drawing to successful cartoons.

You need a background in both.

>>2776723
>The life drawing as a requirement for cartooning meme.

You really don't need to do life drawing to understand cartooning. You just need an understanding of form and gesture. I have never found proportion more important in cartooning than in life drawing and you are talking about superficial things like line quality which should not even be brought up since there is no solid framework it is dressing up in the first place.

>>2776742
I believe you're right on the level that life drawing isn't a necessity to achieve successful cartoons, but cartoons are very much their own thing.

Achieving a good-looking style with good, easy to replicate proportions is an absolute bitch.

I'm not speaking about line-quality at all. I'm speaking about the fundamental movement within your cartoon. Think about a spike and a balloon. Hard, straight shapes for a spike. Curved lines for a balloon.

Proko does not have a developed shape language. He is good at form and human anatomy but he hasn't studied how to draw attractive stylized shapes. That he is completely clueless about inking doesn't help either. What he needs to do is pick a few cartooning masters and do a FUCK TON of studies of their work. That is guaranteed to expand his visual library.

>>2776757
>I believe you're right on the level that life drawing isn't a necessity to achieve successful cartoons
that's wrong though

>>2776612
>Picasso is only a master because his father granted him a great artistic education.
And by artistic education you mean that he made all those nice early paintings that are signed Pablo Ruiz

If you go back to the Sijun archives you'll find that Craig Mullins (spoogedemon) had a great deal of respect for Dan Paladin (synj) as an artist and designer.

Distilling design down to its bare bones is hard.

>>2776874
>Distilling design down to its bare bones is hard.

yeah, as can be seen by the fact that Proko completely failed at that.

>>2776676
If it didn't then he'd have pulled off that comic spectacularly, that he didn't in itself refutes your counterpoint.

>>2777013
No, it just means he doesn't have a deep enough understanding of those concepts to apply it to things outside his comfort zone. i.E. when he doesn't have a direct reference in front of him.

Obviously there are lots of things about really good stylized work that you don't just pick up casually and you have to actively study, but no one expected him to draw like a seasoned Disney animator, doing some amazing stylization and shape design.

>>2774526
I hope you're not suggesting the one on the right is comparable.

>>2774372
no he /really/ doesn't you're just a hater.

>>2777030
Are there any good books on shape design and stylization?

Or maybe he just didn't give a fuck when drawing this.

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>>2778154
>Present for wife
>Don't give a fuck when you draw it

That actually makes a lot of sense.
He probably knows his wife would be happy with whatever he produces.

>>2774526
That's doesn't even come close to Proko's level, retard.

>>2774497
He's just extremely technically proficient with zero creativity to back it up basically. That's why everything falls apart whenever he tries to stylize.

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>>2776676
There's more to it than that. You're pretty much getting into graphic design when you're dealing with such geometric shapes.

>>2778434
But /ic/ told me stylization is easy and you just need to learn the fundamentals and everything else will come to you naturally.

>>2776865
It's not a necessity, but it helps.
You can have something totally flat and have it be successful because you understand how shapes flow, etc.

Is this not in the sticky already?

Being good at drawing from life is separate skill set than drawing from imagination. Yes there is some overlap but you have to practice drawing from imagination as a discipline on it's own.

>>2776742
The thing is that life drawing is the best way to learn form and gesture.
>line quality
>superficial things
Now you're baiting.
You can't build a good house from low quality bricks.
You can't build a good drawing from low quality lines.

>>2773454
>What's "appeal"?-- the comic.

Why didn't he just stick to his strengths, at least if he made them anthropomorphic kids all he had to worry about would be the muzzle faces

>>2778479
/ic/ is not one person

for example, i agree with >>2779081 i've been saying forever that all drawings are flat and 3D is just an illusion, but i've been called wrong couple years ago.