/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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woo im somewhat early this time.
anyway, someone raised the issue that this was "stiff as a board" in the last thread, but never elaborated on that. i want to know what exactly here is making this look stiff, and how i can change it to not be as stiff.

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ok i give up on anime for now ill go learn some actual proportions and construction and anatomy

>>2770440
thank christ. you have potential

>>2770436
Maybe what he meant was to exaggerate the pose. It's not exactly "stiff" as in how the average /beg/ draws stiff poses but try doing that pose yourself and feel where the tensions are in your body and push those curves and positions - as in to say, make it more dynamic than it already is.

>>2770444
i would do that pose if i could mate, but unfortunately there is nothing around here for me to hang off of (also im fat as fuck and couldn't do it even if i had the means to) but i understand where you are coming from. i will try to exaggerate the pose a bit.

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Shamelessly reposting since I picked the wrong time to submit to a dying thread

>>2770444
thign about stiff poses is some are naturally stiff, the dude is rigidly holding his torso straight so as to balance, he also has a taught rope for his arm between him and the wall. the rest just dangle in gravity. i think this pose is naturally straight. its also static (not moving)

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Started reading Keys to Drawing, how are these?

>>2770471
good
try to do clean lines once you have the correct stroke worked out I think

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Critique?

>>2770475
This is pretty good. I like the way you blocked out the forms. I would say that the body looks off balance in a sort of stiff/awkward manner. His right foot (our left) looks like it's slightly off the ground? The post isn't quite dramatic enough to look like he's actually lost his footing.

>>2770475
nipples/pecs too low
do cleaner lines if you are going to post it so we can see it better.
hands too big?
pose too stiff maybe, try gesture.

so i started erik olson and this guy repeats himself like five times before moving on. does he ever speed up or will i just have to bear with it?

>>2770480
skim that shit B

>>2770475
the pose is ok but it looks like he's falling backwards
also legs are too short

>>2770485
legs look fine to me
but then again i have a bad tendency to draw legs too short.

third opinion anyone?

>>2770475
His abs are missing.

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30 second gesture drawings from quickpose, thoughts? Critique appreciated.

>>2770471
draw more hands, work on the internal structure of hands as well as external.

>>2770475
fix the stance, then everything else will become clearer. both feet need to be resting on the same surface.

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>>2770484

I'm new here and posted a separate thread on accident. I guess I'm supposed to post here instead.

"Hey everyone. I've been working on some figure/anatomy studies lately to try and get better at being spontaneous about drawing bodies. I've gone through Hampton, and I find that i have a difficult time figuring out what certain forms are "under" the skin. I've sat down and documented all the major superficial muscles and how they attach. But seeing it on an actual person, especially in funky poses, often confuses me.

These were done in about 3-5 minutes each off of various references. The top 2/3 were done from photos, the bottom 3 images were done from posemaniacs.

I think with photos, I'll often see shapes but not be able to identify exactly what muscle or ligament it's supposed to be.

I'd appreciate any critique or general advice."

>>2770436
Work on line weight

>>2770504
i found posemaniacs to be really shitty and not accurate. Look at actual figure drawing classes in your area. Work on getting faster. You should have waaaaaay more detail in those in 3-5 minutes.

>>2770510
I went to it mostly because I was trying to figure out what the muscles look like and how they bulged out. But the models are all sort of flattened, so I guess that defeats the point.

>>2770516
you need to hammer in proportions too my guy

>>2770516
Stop trying to get too detailed. At this point, the intricacies of each unimportant muscle are the last thing you want to get into- focus on the fundamentals: Form, correct proportion, and the few visible/superficial muscle groupings.

>>2770507
line weight is advance af. surely not correct right now.

>>2770453
shading on face is really flat - whats going on with your line work. too much brown in the palette you're using.

>>2770500
jesus fucking christ you work fast if these are all 30second poses.

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>>2770423
A little something I did for my high school english class

>>2770523
>>2770510

Wait, less or more detail?

>>2770520
What's the best resource to use for this?

(Also, can you point to a particular example and tell me what is wrong with it?) Thanks.

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>>2770423

For any beginner who is interested

a series of tips to help compliment Loomis, mostly stuff i learned from vilppu and an anime bargue plate if you are interested, copying it once should solidify the knowledge you need and then you can just go back to symbol drawing animu peach keen
(In case you were like me and thought loomis drawings are butt ugly but find your anime drawings too flat and lacking)

The letter at the bottom is just my own experience with getting "good"
>It's not about putting in 10,000 hours; The "best" artists are not necessarily the successful ones. "Success" means something different to everyone. Know what you're good at, and PERFECT it, from every. single. angle. You'll know you're on the right track when more and more hours of work start to yield you less and less in "gains". The first 10,000 hours get you 90% of the way there. The next 10,000 gets you 99% of the way there. and the last 10,000, well?
I'm not sure. I'll let you know someday, when we're both there.

Godspeed anons and remember you are never are so special a snowflake to start a new thread on /ic/. Post in the respective fucking general.

>>2770570
your post was borderline unintelligible and your viewpoints were unsavoury, you also insulted loomis. how long have you been at this? are you sure you should be giving advice?

>tfw still can't put the ribcage and pelvis together properly without making it all look too long

>>2770649
never gonna make it

>>2770649
You can make it anon! keep it up! ganbare fure fure!

I've been doing the Peter Han's Warm Ups, but I think I'm doing it for so long (2h). Is it ok or I'm wasting my time? How long with the warm ups?

>>2770670
If you're not pushing out sixteen-hour warmups per day you're not gonna make it.

>>2770672
i exclusively only do warmups. 30+ hours/day.
toasty = comfy

>>2770672
>>2770674
Wow! I can Make It!

>>2770675
not with that attitude

>>2770681
b-but... What I have to do?
Please, teach me!

Should i go through fun with a pencil or head and hands first? All i want to do at this juncture is faces and necks.

>>2770694
if you havent read fun with a pencil, at least give it a skim.

if you want to do heads then read head and hands.

>>2770695
Thanks anon.

>>2770695
Should i try copying the plates?

Should i make a desktop wallpaper of all stuff i like to help inspire myself?

>>2770504
How can you exercised through all of Hampton's book and still be this bad? You don't apply anything he teaches. Did you just quickly read through it without practicing? But even then you should show some understanding of the concepts. Seems to me you haven't even read the first chapter. Read Hampton again or get another book if his teaching style doesn't suit you.

And don't listen to that other anon, you don't need details right now, but gesture and andmark studies and basic form practice.

I think I have carpal tunnel pretty bad. I started not being able to hold basic things and my fingers and wrist joints always hurt. Does anyone have any advice? I can't afford surgery it's out of the question.

>>2770706
move to a first world country

>>2770706
Lift weights. Make your muscles stronk.

>>2770707
Ready for a joke?

I live in a first world country, and that's exactly why I can't afford it. Oh shit, blew your mind didn't I?

If I were in China I could easily get surgery, and yes it would be proper surgery.

>>2770592
Get off that high horse. Judging pic related you belong right here in /beg/.

>anime bargue plate
Jesus Christ...

If you weren't acting so pretentious I would actually compliment you on trying out stuff. Experimenting and using additional sources is good, but you act like you found the fountain of knowledge. So much about
>special snowflake

>>2770709
I could be mistaken but isn't the last thing you want to do when you have CT or wrist pain working your wrist and hand more?

>>2770716
no pain no gain

>>2770724
I heard there can be permanent damage last time I read around. I mean, I don't want to go from just in constant pain to being permanently disabled because I fucked up my hands and wrists entirely. I don't think I can just regenerate my hand internals solely with willpower.

>>2770727
cut out everything stressful you do with your hand that isnt important. use your left on your mouse, try and browse with your keyboard (qutebrowser), wank with your left if you can, minimise use, do the exercises people talk about before drawing and in bed before sleep. google it, maybe ice packs or something are good.

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>tfw when you live in an advanced nordic country with free and/or cheap health care

>>2770745
>tfw celt

>>2770745
be happy for what you have and try to share that happenis with others instead of bringing them down.

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Last day of week 1 (analytical figure drawing). Skipped one day of drawing gestures and it made it surprisingly tough to draw.

>>2770706
You're too late. Chop it off, it's of no use to you now.

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can someone explain how to do the curve type perspective, or does anyone have any decent resources that are basic like pic related instead of overly complicated like most english books?

How many people actually work through Keys to Drawing? I'm only like halfway through but I feel like the beginner thread would have much better quality if people actually did it instead of letting it be a meme.

>>2770802
true

>>2770710
In a first world country you don't pay for surgery, you pay for health insurance.

>>2770818
I have a feeling you don't know how this works.

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>>2770802
It only goes so far, but no, no one here actually works the whole thing.

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>>2770592
that fucking face

>>2770706
Go see a doctor

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pls rate
the pen is a little shitty because I did it just so you guys could see the picture more clearly

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>>2770828
This looks like ping pong the animation

>>2770892
you need to work on anatomy and facial construction. Way too scratchy right now

>>2770568
Right now get the basic forms down and don't worry about detail. You still need to hammer in proportions and basic shape. Work on detail after you have attained these things

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>>2770802
I am
And I may as well try posting these again since I got zero input on the last thread.
Does /beg/ think I have understood the lessons of chapter 1 enough to move on to chapter 2 or should I try again?
1/6

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>>2770908
2/6

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>>>>>anime
i think i made her shoulders too wide from doing male figures
a mess only day 1 of doing loomis again though

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>>2770906
what do you mean as scratchy?

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>>2770909
3/6

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>>2770912
4/6

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>>2770913
5/6

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>>2770914
6/6

>>2770802
I tried to but once he started asking me to get a model for every single exercise I gave up a little. I don't have friends.

>>2770527
can you post just the ref please?

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>>2770500
Feed back on other things would be great too :V

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>>2770923
also this for cartooning

>>2770924
very nice

>>2770923
>>2770924
blog?

>>2770925
Thank you!
Feed back would be gr8, like for the realism the feet feel very off, for cyclops girl her hands feel weird. I recently got my stuff reviewed by a major studio and I was told that my cartooning felt stiff? I think I need to go back and hash out basics in figure drawing too.

>>2770911
it looks like it took you five time to get the right line with an inking pen and even more with a pencil. You're doing small short strokes rather than long confident ones. Draw from Observation more only using a pen. Watch and be careful about where you put down your lines.

>>2770915
All of these need more value. You only have like 2, maybe three shades of grey in there.

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This may be super off topic but I recently was inspired by the Gondola webm's. I really like what they are and want to create something like it but don't know where to start, any help?

This took me 15 mins on paint.

>>2770960
if its just the "low level" but generally aesthetic and charming gondola things then maybe do a bit of drawabox and read keys to drawing then maybe a bit of bob ross (i've heard hes good) then you are gucci.

and practice gondola

Never drawn before, want to start today, read the sticky and i'm practicing copying from real life but i'm running into a problem.

My eyesight has always been real bad, i'm a -6.00 for glasses and I have visual snow https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_snow

When I look at a reference object, I have a VERY difficult time visualizing the whole object, like my eye can only focus on a tiny bit of it at a time, and I forget every other part of the object when I'm away from it.

I can copy simple stuff like cartoons just fine, but physical objects kill me.

Is this normal for a beginner? Am I supposed to look at an object a bit at a time and draw it? When I move doesn't that fuck up my perspective? Should I copy photographs instead?

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>>2770969
stuff like this

>>2770977
it is normal for a beginner to an extent. give it some effort and practise it for a while then try again.

>>2771010
Ok, is the fact that I can only focus on a small part of an object normal? Like most of my vision is peripheral?

>>2771020
doesnt sound like it

>>2771025
Hmm

Can you see a whole page of a textbook clearly from a desk?

>>2771032
tough to say, you arent describing it very well. but yes if i focus. some of its in the peripherals, is that what you mean?

>>2771040
It's tough to describe, can you perceive an image you are copying as a whole, or do you need to break it down into pieces and follow bits and pieces of the image?

If you see a face, do your eyes dart around to the eyes, the nose, the hair etc or can you perceive the whole thing at once?

I'm sure i'm overreacting but the instructions from the guide sound different than how I see.

>>2770917
same here
maybe we could try drawing people outside

>>2770923
why is her quad almost as big as her buttock

>>2770927
Gimme an email and I'll send it to you

>>2770436
unless the right leg is resting on something horizontal it would be really damn uncomfortable to hang onto a wall like that. Maybe they meant stiff like unnatural

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>>2771064
she big girl - here's another pic of her

>>2770556
This is really nice but needs way more contrast in the colors~

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critique please

Just curious when doing the 8x line practice and I have my pen at a 90 degree , do I rest my palm on the paper or not?

>>2771140
Simply unfinished. The shadow on the thigh next to his elbow needs to be a darker value as well as his stomach shadows. Did you color pick it?

>>2771146
I think not, especially when doing longer lines. That's because keeping your hand in the air will force you to train drawing using your elbow, which will give smoother lines.

>>2771140
many of the darks are not dark enough

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more color practice

>>2771140
paint in your background to help contrast your tones to block in more accurately

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Where did I go wrong?

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pear attempt without color picking

>>2771215
life

>>2771215
the tracing, the colors, the coloring

>>2771207
ok thanks
>>2771149
yeah i know it's not like a finished product, do you mean color picked like from the picture and compared it with that? no I did not
thx for your critiques, yeah the darks should be darker.

>>2770618
??? What are you talking about? I didn't even mention Loomis. I was asking for specifics and resources as to what was wrong with some of the proportions in the figures I did.

>>2771215
The shadows are way too gray in tone, you should choose something with a slightly different colour than the skin itself. And that pink colour looks absolutely horrible, use much less of it, in a more neutral shade.

>>2770704
I read through it and did some of the exercises. I didn't post anything I did from the book.

I have a difficult time applying it without having it right there. Understanding wise I found his teaching style very helpful.

But thank you. I have a hard time quickly putting down landmarks.

Also, as a matter of speed, someone mentioned I should be drawing faster. Should I force myself to just do whatever shit I can in a shorter window? Or would it be better to just do slow/longer studies until I get more comfortable?

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What am I doing wrong, what do I need to do to correct myself

>>2771254
Not too bad, but the facial proportions are a bit skewed. If you haven't read keys to drawing already, read that and especially the section about taking measurements with your drawing tools. Using those techniques would help, as well as simply practicing.

If I'm not getting any good feed back here, should i post in other threads? :/

>>2771309
just leave /ic/ seriously this place is full of disgusting negativity and everybody will go out of their way to make you feel bad. its all full of pretensions assholes over here stuck with their heads in their ass resulting in thread of people just posting their art and no one commenting on anything(because liking art that isn't by Michelangelo is a sin) and the only ones who comment are pissed neckbeards. I don't care about the backlash I'll get since I'm anonymous, but I just wanted to say to you poor soul get out of here before its too late.

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Did more color practices but I think this one sucked, I felt like it had a lot of potential in the beginning but it looks like it disappeared....

>>2770953
But do you think I understood the lessons of chapter 1?

>>2771335
I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm personally glad nobody sugarcoats things and I've gotten (mostly) harsh yet constructive criticism as a beginner that has helped me improve. I can't remember the last time someone's made me "feel bad." Give bants, take bants, don't take anything too seriously, take crits with a grain of salt and draw.

I think your expectations of this place is too outworldly. We're on a Siberian basketweaving messageboard.

>>2771359
not them, but I wish this place had more constructive feedback. it has a bit, but I think it could use more. it would really help this place I think. now let me explain the type of feedback I'm talking about before everyone starts shouting about hugboxes yada yada word of the month.

I mean feedback like, your perspective is spot on, your anatomy is good for the lower half of the body, you did the values really well here. not to be nice or make people happy, but so they know if they're doing good shit. pretty much everyone here is a beginner minus a couple of people, so if they do something right they might not even know they're doing it well.

one thing about negative feedback is that it's fine but a few side notes. your perspective is shit, your values are garbage, etc. this is perfectly fine. your shit sucks, get the fuck out is also fine but much less helpful and more conducive to making literally everyone you critique into a worthless troll or end up leaving this place instead of contributing. if it sucks you should at least bother telling them what sucks, and if everything sucks then fine tell them everything is shit.

this post isn't aimed at you, I just replied because it's somewhat related.

>>2771366
>'in b4 hug box'
>first sentence after that is demanding compliments and focusing on the good parts of the drawing
Kill yourself, tumblr is what you're looking for

>>2771376
my critique of your post is
>can't read
>retarded
>probably troll

>>2770908
As long as you follow the checklist at the end of the chapter, you're good to move on. You don't need to be perfect, you just need to be applying what he taught you so you internalize the concepts. Just make sure you're consciously doing what he tells you to.

>>2771404
Stay triggered you oversensitive pussy. No one gives a fuck about your feelings, this isn't special ed where every one of you retards gets a gold star.

>>2771220
>>2771221
>>2771228
My issue is how shiny the skin looks.
I don't know how to render subtlely

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I'm not sure if I can ask this in this thread but here I go anyway, if I'm wrong please correct me to the right thread.

I'm looking for a brush for Clip Studio Paint for coloring or shading like this card here. Check the clothes and hair.

I don't know if it's because some brushes in Clip Studio don't work like in SAI where the colors there actually mix together when using watercolors.

>>2771445
>Lillie's legs are more fucked up then her family life

>>2770440
Do you have a tumblr or deviant art? It's so cute and I want to watch your progress

>>2771459
they look fine to me just super simple

>>2770444
>thank christ. you have potential
is that sarcasm?

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please enjoy this assortment of noses

>>2770424
I didn't know shoulders could do that

>>2770431
this is unsettling

>>2771465
thanks anon but sorry ;w;

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Does this shit just look cringy as fuck, even if it's without references I feel like I've hit a wall when it comes to faces, even if they're as simple cartoonish kind of crap. Don't pay attention to weird outlines, I just played around with layer opacity. Cleaner lines? Just get basic jawlines down? Draw shadows that make sense?

Started from being able to draw stick figures ~three months ago, been drawing +2 hours a day since with a noble goal of being able to make money out of rule 34 commissions.

>>2771538

"don't pay attention to weird outlines"
what

"cleaner lines?" "just get the jawlines down?" "draw shadows that make sense?"

S T U D Y + A N A L Y Z E.

a million things are wrong here and number one is your lack of understanding regarding the skull and how the features fit into place.

>>2771542
love the fabric

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any tips on drawing with a mouse. Ex stole my tablet and shit

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can anyone comment one this? why does the mouth look weird

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any good rule of thumb to get the eyes more proportionate?

>>2771366
Honestly, it's okay to feel like shit or be sad about critiques. Sometimes it's hard to get negative feedback. Frustration is natural.

As long as you know it's kind of a knee jerk feeling and you work past it you will get better. Some people here are total trolling assclowns, so you gotta mentally filter.

I think you just have to take this place with a grain of salt.

>>2771560
don't

>>2771445
You can achieve this just by lower the opacity on a brush and painting correctly. It's important to not become reliant on brush gimmicks and such to do your work for you. Before Sai, hell, before digital painting, people had to do all their blend effects completely manually.

>>2771568
The bottom lip protrudes too far out. The mouth plane doesn't follow the rest of the jaw. What's your reference? P. 73 of Hampton's figure drawing book has good examples.

>>2771538
There are a lot of issues with this where doing a redline or specific correction wouldn't really help much. Draw less from imagination. Look at faces and learn how to draw them the way they actually are. Not to be a meme, but Loomis actually really does explain this well for head construction and planes.

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>>2771568
Changing the facial alignment as a whole would be helpful

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is it comfy?

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>>2771579
>>2771584
loosly based of this one, yeah I guess I went in another direction with the mouth from the original ref and then later when you start to render it you're much less to be able to do it accurately from imagination than from ref. so that's why it looks off compared to the rest, ps love your edition of it, she looks hella smug

>>2771538
nigga take a ruler and look in the mirror

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>>2771571

Well, features are different on each person, but for the eyes there was a basic "rule" that was something like "run a line from the corner of the mouth upwards, and that should give you the place where the eye starts" and to know how big an eye is, remember that the space between the two eyes equals one eye. But as I said, this isn't always the case, I suggest doing a lot of faces and trying to see the relationships yourself.

>>2771587

It is, but I get the impression that the pose is broken

>>2771254

Practice more. You're on the right track, be careful with those proportions, nose and eyes a big af. Also the local value of the hair should be darker

Pic related is a bunch of 1 min gestures. First time doing them with ink, sorry for the messiness

>>2771590
Yeah, I would go back and make sure your features are aligned. The left (viewer's left) should be more foreshortened than you have it. The eyebrows and eyes don't line up correctly.

>>2771584
Did a really good draw over.

just ordered an intuos tablet , i couldn't make an account for some reason so i ordered as guest from wacom website i got the order number in email but i can't track the order it says i have to login to my account which doesn't exist. what do?

>>2771627
Email them with your order number.

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>>2771590
The other person did a good rendition. Part of the issue is that you drew her face at a slightly different tilt than is in the photo. So, you can salvage this without redrawing just by logically mapping out the angle you have based on the shape of her features.

*The ref's head is not as turned away as yours.
*Your drawing has a slightly higher camera angle.

Features should line up on a sphere.

>>2771587
Cute drawing. Her right arm (viewer's left) looks broken though. The proportions/angles on the pose also seem a bit off.

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Meh...I tried. Not too good at faces

>>2771663
cymbals
read the sticky

>>2771664
ba dum tshh

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Hey.
I haven't drawn or browsed /ic/ in about 6mo.
Felt the need tonight. Posting with you guys helps me maintain focus.
Shitty vine doodle. Plz no bully for lined paper

>>2771686
hey square, nice line paper, though i told you not to come round here again. give me your lunch money.

>>2771689
ilu2, bb <3

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I think I'm getting somewhere

>>2771573
>>2771366

I appreciate everyone's thoughts, but I've been lurking on /b/ and /ic/ for a long time. I have a thick skin I'll be okay. I do however still need feedback on these pieces :>
>>2771088
>>2770923
>>2770924
>>2770500

>>2771686
chin and nose look flat.

>>2771088
I'm pretty confused about where your light source is, but I assume you're wondering about your proportions? Her tummy looks weightless and the foreshortening of her right arm needs some work. Your legs are your strong point.
>>2770923
If this is the same model, that definitely isn't her waist.
>>2770924
Can't saymuchabout cartoons. I'm sure you know you need to work on hands a bit. Her left hand especially looks kind of like a saucer.
>>2770500
Yeah, I think I'm seeing a trend with your waistlines. To me, it looks like you're not leaving enough room for the ribcage.

You're doing good, man.

>>2771575
yeah that's how I feel too

>>2771756
thank you so much for the crit! I'm planning on looking at the sticky for shading tips because it is a big weakness of mine. I was using proko as a way to get better at specific parts, any others I should look at?
I've been working hard! Thank you so much anon.

>>2770924
The legs look a bit off. I feel like you'd be able to see some contour of the leg that's behind the character's left knee.

Hands look a bit flat. The raised on in the middle is okay. The other one looks like it doesn't have bones.

Folds on the sleeves on the rightmost image look off. it almost looks like the fabric is stitched too tightly on purpose. If it's flowy fabric, the folds won't form like that just on the bottom. They need to result from a pressure/bunched up point.

Different fabric will fold differently:
https://cdn.lulus.com/images/product/large/1201034_186906.jpg

http://images.wisegeek.com/japanese-woman-in-kimono-on-bridge-with-umbrella.jpg

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>>2770433
Trying to stop drawing symbols but it proved to be pretty hard.

>>2771804
as hard as rotating and resizing?

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>>2771814
I fixed it for you.

>>2771417
Then start by making those highlights more subtle. Honestly though that's far from your biggest problem.

Art is fucking soul crushing.

>>2771827
yeah it is
keep at it

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yea

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>>2770423

Could I get a critique on this? I'm bad at figures. Probably should have used a ref.

Mostly want pose commentary. Other stuff is welcome too, but I want to keep it flat/sketchy looking. I thus far have decided to not put in lighting that should be coming from her bioluminescent hair strands.

looks cool

>>2771105
Where are those exercises from?

>>2771907
its generic boxes in persective then human height in perspective by loomis then equal divides in perspective by loomis.

I'm a little confused on something.
turning a sketch into inked line art is supposed to be faster than turning it into a painting, right?
I'm spending just as long trying to clean up lines as I would rendering it to a decent finish, and I want to make sure it's just because I suck at line art and not that I have the wrong idea entirely.

>>2771907

These are from Erik Olson`s perspective series. The one that is on New Masters Academy.

>>2771924
Thanks! Would you recommend the course? I'm looking for good sources on learning some perspective.

>>2771686
lynch?

Started doing drawabox, but they tell you not to grind too much at the exercises in one go. Any other good and different stuff to do on the side? Finished already keys.

Dumb question but... I want to learn to cross hatch on portraits. Is there a 'best' direction for the hatches to go? Like wrapping around the form, or against it?

>>2771967
thats just for low test tumblr users, keep grinding.

>>2771972
Wrapping against the form destroys the illusion of it. Learn about light sources and apply your hatching in wrapping lines in the shadow areas. Use cross hatching for core shadows. Be wary of your crossing lines, they should both follow the form from different angles. Don't use straights in portraits, there are no completely flat planes on organic forms. Push your values to the max to get the most out of this technique, don't try to hatch everything unless that's the style you want to go for.

>>2771941
I am not very far yet, but yes, most definitely. But as a warning, the course is long and Olson repeats himself quite a bit.

If you wanna get /fit/ you need to eat a lot of protein. Is there some nutritional item I should intake a lot to be able to study better?

>>2771982
semen
specifically my semen

>>2771982
alpha‑methylphenethylamine

>>2771982
for creativity acid
for training, just focus. or aderal maybe.

>>2771982
LOOMIS

Naw but seriously, there's no food that will make you better at art specifically.

Just try to eat so that you have energy to focus for long periods. What works best varies form person to person, so I can't give you an exact answer, but don't eat too much, try eating more greens and fish, and try to avoid fast carbohydrates that will spike your insulin and blood sugar (personally, I find that hunger helps me focus, so try fasting until you're done with your studies for the day).

Am I allowed to use a ruler while I begin to study from life an photo references? Is that something I should avoid entirely because it's a bad way to get comfortable in thinking?

>>2772095
who told you this? why would you think this?

>>2772097
Someone said it would help me be more thoughtful in the placement of each individual line if I stopped and measured every once in a while during a study, so I though it might be good to use a ruler as a component of the drawing equipment explicitly to create plumb-lines and iterate to the greatest accuracy humanly possible what the measurements of the reference photo actually are; to try and transcend the fallible comparative measuring technique that's used more often

>>2772095
If you mean using the ruler to find the scale of things, I'd suggest using the ruler only after you've attempted eyeballing it.
If you mean using it to draw long straight lines, then go ahead, but remember to practice drawing steady lines freehand as well. There are things you just can't do with a ruler.

>>2771823
What other issues do I have?

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>>2772104
P.S This is the last thing I drew

>>2772105
Thank you so much; this is really concentrated advice

>>2772106
What I and the others said. Mainly, your colours are awful.

>>2771945
Yea

>>2771778
Thank you!!

>>2771339
What's your reference for this??

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pls no bully

>>2772153
very bad read the sticky needs loomis etc etc

>>2772153
You suck, but there's no shame in that.
I think you're trying to bite off more than you can chew right now. Try getting a simple construction of spheres and cylinders in a human configuration to work right before you start doing more involved stuff with clothes and hair and facial features and dramatic perspective and shit. I mean you can do more finished figures for fun if you want, but you're better off spending that time on the super basic construction shit right now.

I've read the sticky but it's made me terrified of actually starting. There's so much to take in that it's overwhelming and it doesn't help that reading books like Keys to Drawing are going to be a real chore.

Can anyone please give me a little more advice on how and where to start?

>>2772191
this book is really pissing my bitch right now

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These are a few sketches I made - all of them with reference - I'd apreciate your thoughts on it.

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Does my rendition of this look alright?

>>2772119
I lost it, it was one of the first results of 'model fashion', that's how I generally find references, just browse google

First: start thinking in the most dry and indivisible mathematical forms. Do not concentrate on whole shapes but the individual composites that make up those shapes: lines. Record what the lines do when they join, where they are from one another. Ask yourself the total limit of what you can create using different sinuous and uniform lines insofar as it takes you to allocate it with the final value of a perpetually cavernous and monolithic void of withering, writhing cognizance that even if one committed to etching on every googol scroll in-lieu to your own brain's electricity currently functioning as paper: you'd never grasp the true signifiers highlighted using our friend the everyman line; his various shades and fetters and quirks burnishing their veins across every piece of papyrus we've ever owned.

Drawings become an ethereal organism crossing over multiple continents, connected together nervously by the aesthetes. Their designs are printed on to swords and combust parts of themselves and their perpetuators

Sorry I meant go read Draw A Box

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My friend's gf drew this, what's wrong with it?

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Generic apocalypse chick, no reference

>>2772268
everything

>>2772268
Pretty much everything

>>2772211
What would stuff like this be categorized as? Like interpretation of reality, or something along those lines?

She looks like she's about to fall back over, and there's something odd about her face.

So im really struggling with drawing legs, so im asking if anyone has some good references photos and such, tipps would be highly appreciated too.

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Hey /ic/,

I just started drawing on the right side of the brain. And this is my first copy of Picasso's Stravinsky.

Tell me what you think. Please be up front and honest with me. You will not hurt my feelings.

Also forgive the terrible photo, tried my best but I don't get a lot of good lighting in my house.

Thank you all and have a good day.

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>>2772316
Here is the original, but hey. I bet everyone on this board has seen this.

>>2772316
How about you tell us what's wrong with it and we give you pointers on how to fix those problems. The whole point of the book is drawing what you see, and conversely seeing where what you drew is different.

>>2772108
you can't create a "style" if you dont have your fundamentals down

draw and learn from life more

>>2772316
how about you read the OP and resize your images next time.

also there's no real critique to give on exercises, you should be able to read what the book says was the point of the exercise and self critique.

>>2772191
Please respond.

>>2772369
Thanks for the advice. I'll resize my images next time.

>>2772373
Just fucking start, you shit

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>>2772373
>the very first book in your drawing journey is going to be a chore

Sorry for saying this unironically, but with that attitude it's going to be really hard to make it. Some might say you're 'never' going to make it.

How are you supposed to discipline yourself over the course of the initial /beg/-tier learning stage if you find something like that a "chore?"

If I were you, I'd rethink that I'd really want from delving into art. What do you want to create? What are your goals? Do you enjoy the process more than the end product (and if not, why)?

>>2772390
Thanks. I don't mind it being a chore at first and I can definitely keep at it. I guess I was just wandering whether there was a definite starting route or not and how much of the early books are vital to get going.

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>>2772365

>>2772407
it will never be easy
you should know that
why would you want it to be?

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Complete beginner working in the Edwards book, this is one of the hand drawings, early exercise. Middle is the reference picture plane outline. The left is initial attempt, looked fucked up so adjusted the length and width of the palm on the right image. Not sure if I even got the picture plane image right, looks a bit off to me.

Anyways still doesn't look exactly right to me, not sure what else I'm missing. I think the pinky and ring fingers are a bit too small, and some of the other lines don't look perfect, but I'm not sure what else to fix, what am I missing?

Should I even be too worried about it, or is the idea with those books to kind of just keep going?

>>2772413

Keep going. Don't get too caught up with making fantastic or correct art. The early books are just there to facilitate early concepts and skills to beginners.

If you get caught up making things "perfect" then you're missing the point of the books.

Those look good btw.

>>2772211
It looks like she's standing on her tip toes

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Trying to do some lineart after some months of sketching.
Should I stick with sketches or try more lineart?

>>2772268
tell your friend's gf to read the sticky

>>2772268
The eyes aren't to bad, fix the jaw and the mouth and nose should fall in line.

If I don't have a green pepper for keys to drawing, can I use another vegetable or should I go out and buy a pepper? Can I use the GIMP pepper?

>>2772476
Christ you faggots look for any excuse to not pick up the pen and draw

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>>2770424
>>2772408
>>2770426
>>2770427
>>2770427
>>2770428

>>2772496
I think that's the joke, anon.

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So I'm trying to learn anatomy and, as a first step, how to build the skeleton in 3D. Proko's lessons are great but holy shit the spine is kicking my ass. I feel like most of the battle is just getting the ribcage and pelvis blocked in while properly visualizing the flow of the spine in 3D space.

I've read enough Robertson to know how to approach such things technically, if I need to project a curve into a well-defined cube or plane or whatever I can do it. But a tube fluidly curving and flowing through space at all sorts of angles is a different beast. Is there some exercise or technique that helps visualize this sort of thing intuitively?

The ribcage is the worst because I know it's rigid, but I swear it really can look like it bends or twists or whatever

>>2771542
This is really good but her elbow is a bit off

>>2771987
Hey there's this new legal drug called Drain Cleaner you should try it

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>>2771982
I think pilots in ww2 ate blueberries for better eyesight

birds from ref

>>2772507
The old fashioned way is to memorize the anterior, posterior, lateral and superior aspects of the bones and start rotating them in your mind and drawing them in perspective. Then figure out what the spine does and where and start rotating different poses.

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>>2772579

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>>2770423
Just drew this and first time at art while using loomis but I think i'm not doing it right

>>2772579
Yeah, that's what I'm doing for the parts, locate landmarks in perspective (ASIS/PSIS/Sternum) and construct. This was hard at first but it's getting easier, I'm actually starting to feel OK about the pelvis.

My main issue is with the spine itself and how the ribcage/pelvis follow it, as well as getting the right proportion/overlap between the parts. The spine as a bendy tube can be surprisingly hard to get right, because when I'm drawing a "line" it's easy for me to start thinking in 2d and mess up foreshortening or overlap.

I can always get through the difficult bends by drawing every vertebra but I feel like that probably shouldn't be necessary for a non-retarded person. Oh well. Once I finally figure out how to unlock "3d line drawing" in my brain I expect gesture and hair drawing will become much easier also.

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Can somebody recommend me a good book to start figure drawing?

>>2772731
Can someone recommend this guy the sticky?

>>2772733
loomis

>>2772731
I recommend you read the sticky

>>2772737
Nigga I read loomis in one day and all it was perspective shit.

>>2772742
you mean that thing you're not using? What about construction? Re-read it.

>>2772751
That wasn't me. (I posted the picture.) I haven't read Loomis and I don't know what is meant by construction, would you say my drawing is lacking it? I'll check Loomis out.

>>2770556
A little messy, but cute

>>2770592
this is really displeasing to look at

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any crit/tips for me so far? its still a wip. id especially like any crit for the head hair, the texture doesnt look quite right to me. are the lips weird? or is it just the color?

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>>2772880
kek, that filename. are you trolling?

>>2772887
whats wrong with the filename? i took a screenshot and shoved it in a folder with a lot of other files so i gave it a descriptive name that i could find easy. its my fursona and i took the screenshot to post it here, hence "fursona for ic"

now do you have any crit or what

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>>2772899
it's shit, looks like a metal presser flattened it. playdough hair, boring profile shot, muddy shitty brown. gas yourself

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no loli faggotory today instead highschool tier sketch

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>>2772920
nice sam hyde

send critique on my proportions here
i think i made her left side thigh too wide
and her arms are probably very messed up
send help

>>2772924
make the lines thinner, its more precise.

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>>2770433
can I copy well enough to start learning the fundamentals?

>>2772943
Bottom of her hair on the back of her head is not low enough

Arch of brow (?) is either too flat or nonexistent

Important light values defining the cheek are not there

Neck too skinny

Whatever. If you want to start learning the fundamentals (instead of delaying?) start now.

>>2772943
why the fuck would you decide whether you start fundamentals based on how well you can copy a photo?

>>2772947
just going through the order of the Big Sticky. thought it'd be a good idea to get copying down before

>>2772946
thanks!

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Very new here and not sure if I'm even in the right thread. This is one of my drawings but something's off and I can't pick it. Please feel free to be brutal with criticism.

dont respond to the bait post above.

>>2772957
I can't tell what it is

>>2772959
sorry, I must

how can i escape from photocopy machine.

>>2772959
Why am I bait?
I know it's not good.

>>2772964
>didnt read the op
>3024x5376
>4 uneven concentric circles filling an a3 sheet
>indents show that you did this on the page above also
>christmas tree in the background
>holding the sheet up

6/10 made me list them.

>>2772965
I get the size thing that won't happen again

The indents are from pushing to hard on my earlier attempts that I erased.

Why is filling the page a bad thing?

And holding it up and the tree? Really?

>>2772971
i dont know who's rusing who anymore

>>2772274
stylization, ya dip

>>2772880
>>2772899
Yiff in hell, faggot.

>>2772998
>>2772998
>>2772998

>>2772998
>>2772998
>>2772998

>>2772957
That's not how you draw hair at all. Not even in anime. You're trying too hard to be funny and you're coming off as edgy instead.

>>2771542
this is beautiful. however, PAINT THE GOD DAMN FACE

>>2772211
i like this style a lot. blog?