Animation Thread

>rotoscoping

>>2764684
If that clip is entirely rotoscoped I want to see the live action

Any good books on animating effects and water?

>>2764603
I always wonder but I guess you used a script for the snowfall animation?

I often see "super fluid and detailed, but random" animation in things like vector logo (like some vector form transforming then separating into a lot of drops) are those logos animation scripted too? Looks too hard to animate frame by frame

>>2764954
can confirm that this is just particle world effect in after effects.

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this might be too small to even bother.

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My first animation!

https://youtu.be/kivs1Lm_RDU

>>2765112
It's really nice to see your style in motion. Love the mythical vibe of your works. While your symbolism is not really subtle or anything I get the feeling that there is more to it.

Not an animator, so I won't critique, but I enjoyed it. Actually I wanted to say something mean, because /ic/, but I liked it. Keep jerking off with your self expression bullshit, it's great!

>>2765158

Lol, thank you. I don't plan on stopping any time soon.

>>2765042
Very Orwellian. You'll wanna check your layers there, that axe is clipping over the pig behind when it should be under. Otherwise the animation looks pretty solid.

>>2764952
Not a book, but Adam Philips (chluaid) has a whole course on animating hand-drawn fx, and a bunch of reference stuff on his youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqU7GVAa6s

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my first attempt at an animation sketch.

>>2765404
fix the timing and spacing for the booty slaps

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Thinking about making a webcomic this summer with some animated moments. Made a really rough outline for one character, want an outside voice to check my negative spaces. Not going for realism obviously, but I'm scared it just ends up coming across as doodleshit instead. Also I'm a little curious about where to go with the mouth.

>>2764937
Yeah, I know the Fleischer stuff was rotoscoped but how do you go about rotoscoping super human flips and shit that you couldn't really do irl?

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>>2765511
Different anon, but I checked out the Wikipedia page on the cartoon. It was a good read, even the stuff on lead animators relying on inbetweeners

>>2765654
lol scratch the inbetweener part

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>>2764954
>>2765019
It's not a script or a particle effect, but an mp4 video overlay-ed onto the background.
I didn't have enough time to into snow animation, seems wicked difficult, so this was a quick and cool looking fix.

Also I've added some blinking eyes.

Is inbetweening something that basically anyone can do given enough time ?

>>2765675
blog?

>>2765675
next, make a monster come and eat her and spread her guts and brains all over the lamp.

>>2765766
Kind of a weird question. If you mean in terms of learning it like a skill them yeah, just like with art or anything, anyone can learn anything with enough time.

If you mean like if some person who doesn't know how to draw was given a bunch of stuff to inbetween would they be able to do it? Nope. You gotta know how to draw and how to animate to properly inbetween stuff. Somebody who knows how to draw might be able to get the job done but it'd be difficult for them to inbetween properly.

>>2765112
I don't get it but that looks pretty neat.

>>2765112

reupload
https://youtu.be/oxelFs9oEXU

>>2766015

Thanks!

>>2765788
i don't have one, and this is my first time posting any of my artwork here

>>2765869
eeew no! although that would be fun to draw, but too much work!

And can anyone tell how the streetlight lamp fades in and out a bit? or is it not too obvious?

Hello! I recently made an animated short. Here is the link if anyone is interested in seeing. Thank you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrDIM9J4dHw

>>2766115
I like your style, especially the waterfall and the skellies. What programs did you use?

>>2766120 Thank you! I used photoshop, after effects and premiere.

>>2766134
and how long did it take?

>>2766134
what did you use adobe premiere for?

>>2766138
I made it during the time I could find of around a month. Beginning with the very first ideas.

>>2766156
I used premiere for general editing. The animations I would work on photoshop and After Effects. I would work them by scenes which I would later put in order, cut, add, switch , etc. in Premiere

>>2766156
>>2766138

I also do comics and art in general. If you're interested you can follow me on twitter and Instagram: @higadoyrinon
:)

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gonna try to do this

>>2766483
awesome
Save regularly and try to avoid corruptions this time around

>>2766526
YES SIR.

Alright. I've got quite the task ahead of me and I'm not 100% how to do it or even the best format to do it in. I've got 20 individual character gifs and a static background. Each gif is its own file at the moment. I'm not sure how to combine all of the gifs onto the one file.

To be clear; I'm using Photoshop CS5.

>>2767157
save gifs as individual images then put together into one gif. easy.

>>2767159
How do I merge them together, though? I can get one gif onto the background, but attempting to paste the second one causes it to create new frames, not merge it into the existing ones. (All of the gifs are the same amount of frames and all frames have the same timing.) I'm aiming for 20 characters animated at once, not 20 taking turns.

>>2767157
>>2767166
Having looked through some youtube tutorials, I figured out what I was doing wrong and have the piece put together. Is there a better format than gif to save it in? Gif loses a lot of color quality. Perhaps a way to save this .psd as a webm?

>>2767631
save as some high quality video format then compress it

>>2765042
Four legs good
two legs bad

>>2767829
>Four legs good two legs better

FTFY

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>>2764639
Hey guys, working on a walk cycle with CN tan for the Channel-tan threads.

Still going to give some moviment to the hair, the hat and the clothes.

But whay you think so far? Any criticism/tips?

>>2768332
who the fuck is channel-tan and why does she look like she came right out of adventure time?

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>>2768334
/co/ made antropomorphic channels a thing, with CN, Nick and Disney being the main characters.

They now have a thread for them every weekend. The style of the characters are meant to evoke the tone and art style used on the channels.

>>2768332
Would obviously benefit from a few more inbetweens, but not bad.

>>2768334
/co/ threads about anthropomorphized kids networks. Not like /co/ actually knows anything about animation outside of shitposts about waifus and tumblr, though.

>>2764639
why doesn't he just side step? it's not like that turret can turn

>>2768334
just... just stop. jesus christ, don't say it that way, he'll take it as a compliment

>>2769046
If the character in on model it is fine.

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hi this is my first time animations pls commetns

>>2770359
You haven't improved much since 2014.
I think you should go back to basics.

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>>2768332
Update.

I think that I will duplicate the number of layers and see how it looks like.

>>2770843
requesting porn of her

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>>2770853
There are already a lot:
http://channel-tan.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=cartoon_network&pid=360

>>2770864
god bless internet

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>>2770843
Here is her so far.

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Which one is better?

The slower version - >>2771142 ?

Or the quick version?

>>2771143
the twerking version, make her twerking

>>2771143
I like the quicker version

>>2771143
they both look stiff as fuck, either redraw frames or tween the shape of the body/head around more

>>2771143

You gotta make the upper body rotate just a bit when she runs. Also the way she lifts her knees is fucked. She looks like she's trying to kick someone in the shins.

>>2771143
She doesn't jump as nearly as high on the left foot than she does on the right.

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>>2765675
I like the way you think anon.

>>2765675
disney has some new procedural generator for snow and other effects, the used it in frozen

Does anyone know the best method for animating over a video?

>>2766096
i like it

>>2765404
Needs more jiggle.

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sorry this is so grainy, toon boom linetest gets super dark for some reason when there's more than 2 levels.

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>>2775428
gonna fix the bg, doodling it up in like 30 seconds as a placeholder

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a quick thing

>>2771143
have you read animator's survival kit? the up and down positions on this run are bizarre and jerky, i would start with a few basic walkcycles so you know the mechanics behind them before trying something so complex

>>2775449
Nice. Thanks for brightening up the thread.

>>2775449
Nice lines do you use a line smoother? Mine always look really messy

>>2775449

Wow, an actual animator.

What program, how long have you been practicing, and what is your workflow?

>>2771143
Quick. Also, for the distance she goes in the air with right foot forward, she needs to either hang in the air longer (more frames) or not go so high into the air. Unless there's something wacky with gravity or the camera.

>>2768338
Would cuddle Disney Junior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lJaKoMf6As

^This

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>>2777109
>>2777126
>>2779237
thanks! i use flash, and i think it has a built in line smoothing algorithm, so i guess i do. i've been at it for a couple of years, my workflow is same as anyone else's: keys, breakdowns, inbetweens, tie downs, clean up. i only bothered bringing that .gif to the tie down stage, for reference

>>2764684
>>2764937
>Fleischer rotoscoping for the Superman shorts meme

This meme is pushed by non-animators and has got to die, the Superman cartoons had zero rotoscoping in them. The characters move in artistic arcs that read well, rotoscoping would not give you such results. That and rotoscoping a flying man would involve a more retarded amount of work than animating it from scratch.

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>>2775449
>>2779613
the fabric falls like it suddenly weighs 10 pounds

this was posted before but it's a good example, it hangs in the air a lot longer which makes it feel lighter

>>2768338
>teletoon and YTV owned by the same company
my life is a lie

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Did a test to familiarize myself with the bones-based animation software, was a pain to crop it to size and get it to run at the right fps but I'm guessing it'll be easier when I actually get a video editing software.

>>2779778
i like it anon

>>2779629
Seeing as the character gets crushed by it, I think it's supposed to feel really heavy, like a lead apron.

>>2780432
yeah I agree. You can't really have a character get crushed by something if it's gently falling over them, the anon took some liberties for the sake of the action.

>>2779629
thanks! yeah, i kinda beefed the timing a bit. i've seen that gif before but totally forgot about it, i'll be sure to look up some good reference next time.

>>2780432
>>2780498
yeah... took some liberties... totally intentional

any good resources on learning character acting?

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>>2780432
>>2780498
>Crushed
>No such indication
He was "covered", if that's what you mean, not crushed. A simple "camera shake" at the point of ground contact would help make your claim reasonable.

>>2781093
But a camera shake would imply that the cloth is way, way heavier than it actually is. I said crushed because it completely flattens the character, and there's no indication it's still under there until it lifts up the cloth. Maybe some impact effects when it hits the ground would emphasize the "crushing" better though.

>>2779778
blog, tumblr or contact page?

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I've been told I need more loomis, so here we go.

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>>2781571
Also a question - is it normal to do your animation and then spend a lot of time moving and re-adjusting the images to make it actually fluid?
Not that it would be fluid to begin with, but eh.

>>2781477
http://butter7103.tumblr.com/

I mainly do illustrations

>>2781600
Cool stuff, man.
You could really benefit from starting your eyes with a sphere to get rid of the cheap animu look tho.
Also consider thinking of muscles as having a direction and a function. That Hanzo's pecs look pretty awful tbqh.
But yeah, cool stuff.

>>2781607
Thanks! And yeah, I've been practicing guys for a while, muscles are very tricky to render that's why I don't draw them very much

Day one begin or fresh off my first Igor Stravinsky here, I want to learn to animate with pencil drawings (Computer for coloring)

It seems to me the progression is
>Learn to copy accurately
>Loomis
>Anatomy
>Perspective
>Practice
>Get good at realism, practice practice
>after your anatomy is on point, learn to stylize to your liking
>Animators survival guide
>?????
>Profit

Is this about right? I really want to get good, no shortcuts, but at the same time I don't want to waste time.

>>2781574
Draw the motion paths first and use that as a guide for your spacing and axis rotations. Working backwards is more work.

>>2781658
> I really want to get good, no shortcuts, but at the same time I don't want to waste time.
That's the wrong way of thinking IMO. You're going to have periods of stagnation/uncreativity. I also think it's important to stylize while practicing realism/anatomy, or else you won't learn how to exaggerate things properly.
You should also watch a lot of cartoons/animations, storyboards, penciltests, etc. Lots of doodling in spare time.

Lots of time wasted.

>>2781725
Well, I don't consider practice to be a waste of time as long as it is efficient practice.

Has stylization during your development of fundamentals worked out for you?

>>2781742
>Has stylization during your development of fundamentals worked out for you?
Yeah, though you still need to do a lot of figure drawing in between. I went 4 months without it and a lot of my skill degraded, couldn't get as loose as I could before, couldn't exaggerate as much, etc.

It's actually immensely fun and useful to stylize figures while drawing them, it really helps you understand what connects where, and why.

>>2781748
Then I appreciate the advice, thank you.

Hard work ahead.

Is it okay to post looping hentai here? It's considered as animation too, right?
>I made one

>>2782136
I think so yeah, people have posted it in the past.

>>2782136
do it.

>>2781955
>>2781953
That's cool as hell anon.
Any animation tips - books, inspiration, smth?
I wanna get to your level but right now my stuff is more of the squishy western style.

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>>2781953
my mind is full of what.
Frame to frame? Pose to pose? Chinese magic??

What's a good entry level book/lecture to get into animation. I'm guessing animator's survival kit?

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>>2782518
no

>>2782518
yes.

>>2764684
What the fuck, that doesn't even look like rotoscoping what are you smoking

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Not trying to shill a shill a blog, this is a collection of work ive done for a month.
http://stoicribbonportfolio.blogspot.com

I need some guidance. Ive been stagnating trying to make a good walk and run cycle and at drawing people talking. I feel like I dont draw enough a day. I dont know what I should draw or the best ways to practice. I feel like I should be drawing at least a 100 figures a day.

I have no sense of timing. Like, no idea what good timing is in animation and im trying to find out reading the survival kit.

I only work in one layer, never a sketch layer. I dont see the point, since I can just go back and clean up a layer. But I know this is bad since everyone uses sketch layers.

I never copy or study reference because it used to be a crutch for me, and I was never able to draw from imagination. And im scared that ill become one of those people that copy's loomis all day long, but never improve. But I still see that my proportions and anatomy are still wack.

Help. And Im aiming to be professional animator one day. S\\

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>>2764639
I can't find a good reply looking trough google and resources.
I look for a program that works well with key-animating. aka it werks with fast keyframes, like flash. Just looking for alternatives. Freeware or costy don't matter. Sorry if ruining the thread. (gif related not mine, made by Yoh Yoshinari)

Just learning to draw, with an end goal of making rule 34 animation shorts, is it possible to animate traditionally and color digitally?

I want to avoid flash because I think even professionally (Horse show) it doesn't look that good, I never liked how uniform digital linework looks either, hence the desire to do pencil.

What would I need to accomplish this (aside from talent). What programs would be best for me? Equipment? Is it a lost cause and I should suck it up and go digital?

>>2782636
Dont concern yourself with animating right now. If you never learn to draw, you will never be an animator. Go to to /beg/

>>2779778
Idk why people are praising this, probably bc pretty anime grill, but the hair movements are so awkward. It looks like her hair is made of plates and is just sliding all over her head

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Forever cartoon garbage.

>>2782677
I dont know what you mean by fast keyframes? I mean pretty much every software allows you to keyframe and time it out how you want. If you want to make something like that gif i'd recommend TVPaint since it's the closest youll get to traditional with digital.

>>2782636
-do walk cycles on the side view not on angles for now
-figure drawings and sketches of people will help "try hard on these if you can"
-draw shapes 2d and some 3d
-learn to trace on a keyframe with pencil and paper to build finesses, if you can do that without tracing even better so 1:1
-watch animation frame by frame of anime walk cycles or character acting. You can DL these some sakugabooru and study it

-learn the walk cycle phases
-simplifiy your figures "even stick figure will do" in your walk cycle so you can draw them quicker
-muck around with easytoon for animation to build flow http://www.flat2d.com/easytoon/Downloading.aspx


>>2782677
easytoon
toonboom
tvpaint


>>2782765
>is it possible to animate traditionally and color digitally
ehhhhh like 99% or anime and 2d cartoons are like that.

But drawing digitally can help you learn animation faster , so have a mix of both. That's what I do.

>>2782538
>>2782545

:(

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>>2783072
thanks dude. helps a lot.

>>2783083
The answer is yes, it's godlike. Read and animate along with the examples and really try to understand what it feels like to animate. Norman McLaren once said "animation is not the art of drawings that move but the art of movements that are drawn," and it's a very important mindset to understand.

is 3d welcome here or am I better off going to polycount or something for critique?
/3/ understandably doesn't really care about animation, so it's hard to find a place for critique on 4chan.

>>2783207
We welcome you, now present what you have

>>2781955
best thing since 6 threads

>>2781953
this is great

give me something to animate. Can't think of anything.

>>2783560
Choose a scene in your favorite manga or comic and try animating that.

Or you can try out Loop de loop
http://www.loopdeloop.org/

There's one that I like
http://www.loopdeloop.org/post/129968852148/never-know-what-youre-going-to-find

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thoughts? critiques? I'm trying to get better

>>2784462
I can't even tell what this action is supposed to be, maybe you should try doing keyposes first.

does anyone have any good animation program?

>>2782795
mad cuz bad

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what am i doing wrong?

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>>2785683
i fixed it so it loops

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>>2785684
>chicken scratching instead of clean lines
>1920x1080 so you're wasting all that space
>bad spacing so no sense of speed up or slow down
>didn't animate it swinging back

you actually have a nice line of action though, all things considered. someday you'll look back at this and laugh/cringe

>>2785702
I read in one of these threads that I shouldn't worry about line work because I can always go back and clean it up later.
Whats resolution do I use then?
That webm was very helpful, thank you

>>2785707
less about the specific resolution, more about wasting space. And yeah you don't have to worry about linework too much but for fuck sake dude you could literally draw each frame in 2 strokes.

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>>2785897
it was literally the first thing I ever drew using a wacom so it was weird
I did it again but idk why it looks like its moving in a circle instead of a straight line

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>>2782141
>>2782184
Just animate and figure things out as you go. Run with it.

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>>2786815
>Just animate and figure things out as you go.

that's a great way to end up with weird looking shit like pic related. you good style but it would be even better if you put in the set up work properly.

>>2786815
sooo... straight ahead then?

>>2786961
pretty sure hes leaning back, lame crit

>>2786966

no that guy

but to be fair his his ribcage did disappear

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>>2766483
will update in a few hours... watch as this turns into something.

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>>2787015
is the update ready? also, could you resize to 500xsomething?

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what could cause such a fright? the world may never know...

>>2787215
terrible desu. You should make an effort to put in more facial muscles, and the timing is awful. There should be more time on the mouth being closed and the mouth being wide open, and the transition between the mouth opening should be faster.

Hey everyone has anyone watched this video? So cute!! How do I make something like this?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV3OG4PBoas

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>>2786655
>but idk why it looks like its moving in a circle instead of a straight line
Because that's how centripetal motion works you flimflam. Forward Force + Downward Gravity = Arc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHGKIzCcVa0&t=2m44s

In any case, this look much better this attempt, but as that other anon said, just common practice to "compress" your drawings down to only have your "focus point" viewable to the audience. In this case, pic related is all you need to show your animation enough without too much empty space around it. It just looks more clean and professional.

tl;dr: Either draw bigger to fit your native canvas size, or shrink the canvas size to fit your drawing/animation with little white space left.

>>2787720
oops, might have made a booboo with the video timestamp.
>2:24 instead of 2:44

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>>2764639

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>>2788461

>>2765507
>"not going for realism so I don't have to learn how to draw at all"

>>2782765
animate in photoshop :v

>>2765507
>Not going for realism obviously, but I'm scared it just ends up coming across as doodleshit instead

Nothing about this looks intentional. It IS doodleshit, Anon.

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crit me pls

>>2782834
cute. blog?

>>2765404
kys

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>>2765404
Post more animatioms? I think this is pretty good.

>>2788652
That right arm looks awkward with that timing and placement, expecially when he clasps the hands.

>>2773840
that's not really a generator anon, it's just a method that can be incorperated in other 3d software.

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>>2783350
The gifs I posted in the last two threads were better твн

>>2766096
hey man, I bitched about your tarot cards awhile back, but this animated short is GOAT.

really nice stuff, hope you make it!

>>2789257
how long have you been doing animation dude?

>>2789257
Love your animation holy shit. Do you have a twitter or something?

>>2789385
Ye he does, i dunno how badly he wants to be called out tho. @tlcarus

One of my fav animators.

>>2789257
so has this guy pretty much confirmed that the "git gud at realism" thing is just a meme? I think I should probably just do what he does and start animating random shit and improve that way. Proko's stream also convinced me to stop falling for that meme.

http://duocartoonist.tumblr.com/post/154872466070/welcome-to-helios-a-new-hope-for-2d-animation

neat

If there's anyone else using Opentoonz, how do I make frame-by-frame edits to an imported image in-program? If I import it as a level, any changes on other frames obviously change every frame in which it's present, and completely redrawing the image for just a slight change would be sloppy and impractical. I could go the turbo-autism route and save the file multiple times for each frame, but who fucking wants that?

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Something I've started tinkering with.

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does anyone know what software i can use to color in my easytoon .gifs like pic related

>>2789920
Imo the head being whipped back should be a little more "animated" or exaggerated. Right now it looks stiff, maybe tweak the line of action? Take it with a grain of salt, good luck!

>>2789944
You might have to export each frame as an image sequence and paint them individually in another program. Then slap them back together into an animtaion

>>2789944
photoshop would be the easiest imo.

check out this video for basics

https://vimeo.com/80851591

and when it comes to actually colouring it, import the gif into the photoshop timeline and add layers ontop that are set to multiply +then colour (or just fill bucket that shit)

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some animation i made in flipnote a while back. I was told to fix it and only now found the time to post. ikno it's sloppy but any suggestions?

>>2789257
what program do you animate in? just curious looking for something relatively simple but not as barebones a eztoon

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I think this is as far as I'm going to go with this. Just a warm up, really.

>>2790885
I think he uses hanepen
>>2790931
neat

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>>2790942

Thanks. Here's an actual looping gif because I'm an idiot.

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>use easytoon
>it reverses
What did I do wrong?

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sup

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>>2790982
I dunno but it's looks fine with my version.

>>2790791
the up and down motion of the head should follow the body's main action

>>2790335
>>2790763
thanks

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Dont know who this is, but is a pretty bad ass walk cycle.

Also, is it better to have fewer frames with better draw figures, or many frames with shitty drawing figures?

>>2791977
Depends really.

if what you're making is a lot of movement/action like western cartoons, i'd go with simpler style but with more movement.

if it's something dramatic and not a lot of movement you can do how anime does and more detail but rigid motion on 3's/4's.

>>2764952
吉田流! アニメエフェクト作画

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Hi, I'm kinda new to /ic/, I see you have resources that I'll be sure to use, but ive been working hard, and want to know two things, should I get a tablet for animation? Should i go to a community college before going to a private art school?

>pic I made for back ground, based on the art of a polish guy whose name I don't remember.

>>2791977
source is yoshiyuki sadamoto btw

Are there any free alternatives to flash I can use to start animating?
Keep in mind I'm on a Mac.

>>2794006
https://mega.nz/#!E9V0EJoY!P0sNRG4duzIQgSxvwxYNwYTl4FyVaVo_7w59xgGW6RI
used for
>>2781952
>>2781953
>>2781955
>>2789257

>>2789658
>so has this guy pretty much confirmed that the "git gud at realism" thing is just a meme

You should just work on fundamentals and apply your fundamentals towards animation. If you aren't applying the stuff you've learned, then no shit you'll turn out bad.

It's not so much that you should draw IRL stuff. It's more about applying perspective, anatomy, form, proportion, composition, etc.

>>2789658
"no"

>>2766096
i love it

>>2775449
magical

>>2794194
for sure, everyone should learn their fundies. The meme is mostly just people saying you shouldn't try to stylize at all until you master realism which just destroys peoples progress. I see lots of people on this board get good at photocopying stuff or drawing boxes but they don't know how to draw the stuff they want to cause they never apply it to what they want to do.

any techniques for shading keeping it nice and easy while making it look well done?

>>2766096
nice

Any GOOD resources for ToonBoom? I've tried learning before, but either I'll follow along step-by step and eventually I end up having a different interface from the tutorial somehow (even the official tutorials), or the tutorial just isn't very helpful.

>>2794553

I agree and disagree with you. Application of the stuff I've learned from studies sunk in for me, not doing studies 100% of the time. So feel free to attempt stylized stuff sometimes and find out your weaknesses.

It's not that learning realism or form will make you bad. Realism makes fundamentals easier to learn because all of the information is displayed. With it, you can easily shade or draw three dimensional object with ease. It's just that it won't be useful if you only sight-size with it and don't apply the stuff that you've learned from it into your art. You can apply subject matter easier if you use construction.

Sight-sizing is a useful technique, but it's ideal to use it to find mistakes or plan construction. I need to practice it more.

What's the name of that japanese animation show with the guy who thinks he's the moses of animation and then there's the guy who will later make akira in it
It was a comedy show I believe

>>2795264
Blue Blazes, it's Hideaki Anno, who went on to make Evangelion.

You're thinking of Katsuhiro Otomo who's not in it (and who didn't even go to college)

Has anyone here tried Cacani?
What do you guys all use to animate

Someone know how to rotoscope in Krita?

>>2794025
How the fuck does do I get it to work?

>>2796132
If it's hanepen, then it only works on macs.

>>2796191
Well shit.

>>2794746
Use this:
https://learn.toonboom.com/modules

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>read up on all the principles of animation
>think of a short little action and block out it's extremes with basic shapes
>start to breakdown, inbetween, or add detail
>choppy, lifeless, floaty mess
What am i doing wrong here? what am i missing?

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I recently finished my first non-trivial animation and if y'all could check it out and let me know what you think that'd be super.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CJeJGwlyw

>>2796620
Post it

>>2796723
learn to draw

>>2796723
Like the general framing and intention for the facial animation. But yeah needs more frames for the movement and better constructed poses.

So practice more walk cycles and draw more life drawings to sharpen those proportions.

Keep it up the work.

i'm having some issues with eztoon, sometimes exporting as gifs crashed the program and the gifs get corrupted. also when i save projects sometimes the bottom 3/4 of the animation gets deleted. any advice?

>>2796802

Thank you for the feedback and taking the time to check it out, I appreciate it. I will keep practicing the fundamentals. Cheers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVlBkjSwKs

>>2794746

learning what exactly? for classical animation there's really not much you need to learn. except maybe hotkeys but that's as easy as a google search.

>>2775449
only good thing in this entire thread

>>2797146
yeah no.
>>2781952
>>2781953
>>2781955

>>2797329
relax its just an opinion man

>>2797329
dude you don't need to defend my stuff it's fine

>>2797468
>>2797406
I'm just saying that >>2775449 is not the "only good thing" in this entire thread. I know its probably a hyperbole however, the stuff of this anon>>2797468 is objectively good. Its fluid, it has great timing and it feels real. It's just entertaining to look at.
What >>2797146 is talking about is the most clean as far as I could see that is actually animated. With this >>2782677 as an exception of course because, well because its made by a professional. Saying that >>2775449 is the ONLY good one is just not true, I might be splitting hairs here but I can not accept that statement made by this random stranger on the internet.
You can say that its the cleanest one in this thread or even your favorite or the best because that's totally an opinion but saying everything else is bad is not right. You might not like them as much as this one but that doesn't make them bad

Sorry if my previous statement came off as rude, wasn't really my intention.

Still really love your >>2797468
stuff man keep it up, really love your flow.

Are there any resources or tutorials or like even examples of longer animations made in Hanepen this shit is too elusive to even google fuck my life

>>2797513
what the fuck?

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>>2797536
It was obscure even when the site was up, and I doubt the few people who had it before the site went down bothered to bypass the trial expiry thing.

I did a 2:30 short in one file but I think it's better as a tool for doing individual shots/cuts of animation, not a complete suite. That's what stuff like toonboom is for. That said, here are some tips for any macfags who want to use it.

1. You can export an image sequence and import into krita to colour, or export an mp4/mov and import as a video layer into photoshop, or as a gif and drop into flash.

2. For audio, you just need mark out the times once which actually doesn't take very long, you don't really need to have the audio play every single time you want to scrub thru. You can open a file with quicktime and hit cmd-t to see a waveform which will help a lot, I went a step further and set up a script that plays them both from the start when I hit shift-return when I want to check how they play together. Check pic related.

3. You can group different files together with tabs and the quickest way to see them in sequence is to export them as video files then open one in quicktime and drag the rest into the quicktime window, you can also drag audio in while your at it.

Not going to get into the colouring/auto-inbetweening stuff cause there's no easy way to explain over text but it's probably easier to figure out yourself honestly.

>>2797606
>stuff like toonboom is for complete suite
if your pc isnt "high end," you WILL chug during the coloring stage

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>>2796725
i tried to draw a monster dog, leaning forward and bouncing, you know how dogs do? but in the end it looks like he's ready to take it up the ass.
>learn to draw first
Yes, i understand that i shouldn't put the cart in front of the horse, but there's surely something more important that i'm doing wrong here.
It's important to note that i drew this with a mouse because of the absolute drought of art programs compatible with whatever i own at the time, (currently, windows laptop &mouse, apple ipad & wacom pen)
I bet i would learn more about animating by just drawing on and flapping between sheets of printer paper

>>2797723
youre shit and too up your own ass to realize what you're doing wrong and you'll remain this way for years before you get a clue. and that's only if you keep at it with art

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an attempt at getting back into animation.

>>2797662
I wouldn't be surprised, I have the lowest spec macbook air from 2012 so I tend to skew towards leaner low profile apps.

>>2797723
I don't get why you acknowledged that you should learn how to draw and then completely shrugged it off. You clearly know what you need to do first but aren't doing it for some reason? Look at every single frame of that, it's proportioned more like a dinosaur than a dog.

>>2797723
This looks hilarious but yeah look at dog and cat walk cycle and yeah learn to draw a stationary dog. Maybe sakugabooru and tumblr might have dog animation there. But it's also good to look at some actual footage for reference.

do walk cycle then run then jump cycle.

>>2797606
Thanks anon, I got it working and trying to figure it out now. You or anyone else have any more work or tips regarding Hanepen feel free to share

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>>2797870
I understand that I don't have an entire grasp at drawing yet, and that more will become clear with animation once I put more time into actually drawing well, but this is something I'm doing Inbetween studies, and I wanted to speak about it.
Also, very important because it seems you hadn't noticed it, keyword: " 'monster' dog". It's one of them pokey-mans. This sketch should illustrate it better, excuse the shitty rendering, I had sugimori on the mind.
>>2797902
Thank you for giving actual advice, I'll be sure to try that. I remember doing a walk cycle with this same character before and looking back on it, considering all the practice in drawingive had since, I can immediately see that "horse before cart" is not a meme.
>>2797726
Whoops, my bad. I'll keep that in mind.

>>2797723
What was your endgame with this? There are so few frames that it looks like a PowerPoint unless you play it at blinding speed, which would only make the actual drawings look even less intelligible. The other people telling you to learn the basics aren't wrong, but after that you need to realize that animation isn't about moving drawings--it's about drawing movements.

>>2797870
>it's proportioned more like a dinosaur than a dog
Vaudeville show when

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How do I even into Hanepen? What do all the tools do and what about that tween automation I've heard so much about? I have never worked in an animation program aside from Flash, but Hanepen seems minimalistic and a good place to start. But there are no resources on it, is it better to learn the basics in another program?

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Holy Crap. Is it just me, or is walking supposed to be a the final frontier of animation? Side and front view are fairly easy, but anything else annoys the shit out the shit out of me. I think the most annoying thing is maintaining the right leg proportion. Not to mention while juggling between shifting the torso, and swinging the arms at the same time too. I just cant comprehend how hard it is to get this down, and it seems like its animating 101.

>>2797733
very nice. makes me think of dirk the daring

>>2797723
more frames

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test

>>2799237
Kind of, walk cycles are like a major fundamental so practice it.

Look at ghibli,kyoani,disney for their walk cycles or any ex-akira animator.

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/16973
https://sakugabooru.com/post?page=2&tags=walk_cycle
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/28110

>>2799348
cute.

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looking for some crit / general advice

Got contacted by a cool studio, don’t know if anything will come out of it but p happy rn, happy new year my dudes.

>>2798873
Q - new frame
Backspace - Clear frame
Shift + Backspace - Delete frame

1-2 - flip frames
3-4 - decrease/increase exposure
5-6 - decrease/increase exposure on all layers

Z - toggle drawing/erasing
V - toggle transforming
Spacebar - play

that’s p much it

>>2798873
>>2799580
where download famb

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>>2799380
Ive been getting better and better with repetition. Thanks. I think desu, the most important part of walking is the foot placement.

Also, ive been studying this (pic) from FantasyBlade, its really helped me a lot more than other pics for some reason.

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Question, how do keyframe animators handle loops in general? Ive always thought it would be 4 keyframes, two for standing and two for the lunge. And the rest is animated by the in between animators. But if a keyframe animator wants to express someone moving from one side of the screen to the other (not a loop) do they skip the keyframes for the cycle like its a loop and just have keyframes for the position of the body and leave the walk cycle to the in between animators?

This probably reads more complicated than it is.

>>2799589
oh, and im talking about walking specifically here.

>>2797553
It's called autism

>>2797553
whats wrong?

>>2799583
see >>2794025

for hanepen, is the actual animation done in "inbetweens" mode and "keys" mode is just for referencing?

>>2799746
In-betweens mode is for clean-up/coloring/tweening, you can basically ignore it (i would suggest you do) or click the frames on the timeline to make them squares which will let you colour without tweening, but you're almost certainly better off colouring in something else.

>>2785702

Your WEBM actually triggered one of my flashbacks.

Back in the 2000's I was meddling with Pivot stickfigure animator (the concept of autism made visual). There were those niggers that made these super smooth animations and I always wondered how they did it.

They simply said: Start the action super slowly, then move faster and faster, then finish the action slowly and smoothly.

I can see that the first 3 frames are really close, but they're crucial to convey a smooth and evenly timed pendulum movement, while the 7th frame is really separated from the rest, but that's when the action "speeds up" the most.

>>2781953
>>2781955

superb timing.

>>2799589
>>2799593
You just use the stationary walk cycle loop and scroll it across the screen (be aware that you have to move the character across at the same rate as the walk, otherwise their feet will look like they are sliding). That's only for a basic walking to the side animation, anything else like a front walk would require key frames for each step.

>>2799505
tone down the smear on his eyes, or just put it everywhere

>>2799964
Cheers I went a bit overboard because I only just discovered smears :)

>>2786961
>What is squash and stretch?

>>2764639
For the proper animators in this thread, what do you think about Lord Bung/storyboard animation in general?

I think it's a cheap way to get stylized content you can produce regularly for social media, and I only like it if it's done really well with a story that shines beyond the visuals.

>>2800067
>For the proper animators in this thread
How are 4channers so adept at being obnoxious?

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Sorry for the lewdness

But how does a keyframe animator handle this scene? Im assuming the guy and girl are each their own separate layer (A1, B1). But does the animator:

1) Animate the girls boobs and mouth expression as its its own layer on multiple pieces of paper, then go back to each frame and insert the guy's tit sucking?

OR

2) Draw the girl and the guy at the same time, and not fuck up the timing on one go.

if 2) i think im going to be btfo'd for how hard the timing is.

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>>2799958
thanks for the info

>>2800169
>obnoxious

>all but one posters are absolute garbage
> novice who posts edgy shitty animation overly praised

>>2800185
>all but one posters are absolute garbage
Exactly, so who the fuck are the 'proper animators'?
> novice who posts edgy shitty animation overly praised
People have shit taste, who cares?

Animation threads should just be banned

I'm bored, and my mind isn't working. Someone give me a concept that I could animate.

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http://senjecko.tumblr.com/

>>2800226
why don't you animate a character sliding off a table and then catching something while abusing camera movements and having really unrefined, fifth rate animation

oh wait no nvm that'd be too fucking stupid

>>2800330
post your work

oh wait, you're just a typical entitled neckbeard who's too fat to draw

>>2800336
don't be flustered because someone is calling you out on your ersatz animation. you're no bahi

>>2800336
Okay this is the second time now but there's no need to defend me, being critical is literally the point of this board, nobody gets better in an echo chamber.

>>2800363
Of course I'm not even on the same planet as bahi, he's a fucking prodigy and I'm someone who started animating this year because I realised I wasn't getting any better at drawing.

But not enough people in these threads are even trying, if they did (and the occasional good animator stayed around) then my shit wouldn't get a disproportionate amount of attention.

>>2800750
That wasn't being "critical", and I'm entitled to deride this morbidly obese creature's not-critique as such. Don't get ahead of yourself; I'm not defending you, I'm attacking him, there's a difference. No one that posts like that can see their own dick when they stand up and I enjoy reminding them of that fact at any given opportunity.

>>2800771
fair enough I guess

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>>2800465
Nice start. I like her expression.

that sword swing and fall are too slow.

It looks like you have no clue what shes specifically attraking. It looks like she was aiming for someone, but then missed, but there isn't enough back fire to tell, so it looks like shes hitting a shield, but then theres no ricochet.

Also, i know its just a sketch, but please add more anatomy and form.

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>>2800797
meant to post this

>>2800330
>trying to push out one of the only animators whose animations are watchable by insulting him

ha jokes on you he is too mature for your childish shit.
Doesn't stop me from calling you out though you useless piece of shit. Get out of your mother's basement neet.

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>>2800806
>>2800794
>>2800363
>>2800336
>>2800330
Dear mods, can we please ban or delete these faggots. They have literally done nothing but bury on topic posts and have nothing to do with animation.

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i wish more lack people did animations.

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>>2797723
Your dog is trash.

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how do you do lip sync if you don't own flash, every lip sync tutorial on youtube uses flash?
pic unrelated but I made it.

>>2775428
ayy good shit mane

>>2779778

cute art but the hair, man, the hair...

>>2802110
look in the mirror and draw the mouth stuff. i heard the mouth image should come before the sound. im unsure if thats true

>>2801087
>lack people

>>2802472
garbage

>>2801087
Did you do this? Reminds me of old new grounds/flash stuff in a good way. Looks neat

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>>2786961

I don't get it when people complain about a single off-model frame in animation when it flows naturally. It's not bad by any means.

In action films, there's a lot of "off-model" material like stunt doubles, cameramen, and multiple vehicles used. You wouldn't be able to tell unless if you've looked at a single frame and compared it with the other ones.

>>2803719

*multiple versions of the same vehicle

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>>2787208
I am irresponsible.

>>2803026
yes u like it?

>>2803719
>You wouldn't be able to tell unless if you've looked at a single frame and compared it with the other ones.

Except I WAS able to tell, because that mistake (specially in an empty white background) was really noticeable because it lasted more than a second, but even if it had lasted only 1 second (24 frames) I would have noticed it.

Of all the things you can let slide in animation basic form and proportion aren't one of them specially in that case where breaking the form served no purpose and hurts what would have been an interesting and fluid action. your example doesn't even compare as the object (actor) is on model (accurate) when up close, while in the animation the model is inaccurate at close to mid range to the camera, and is the sole object on frame with no tricky camera movement involved, hence why it is so glaring a mistake.

>>2804148
This isn't really my wheelhouse but like, if you're doing a value study then you improve effectively by making values the singular focus for a short period, why not the same with a "motion" study or a "timing" study?

>>2803990
Yeah, good job

Anyone been to SJSU's animation/illustration program and know if it's actually as difficult as it looks to get in? Or can you do design studies then be able to switch over?

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>>2804148

I guess I can see the importance behind it if you're working with a team. It wouldn't be good for the clean up artist or inbetweener. It wouldn't hurt to keep it as a habit.

Action movies use a lot of stuntdoubles in closeups though, so I provided better example. A lot of movies that do the same are films like Hardcore Henry, Kingsman, and Maximum Risk.

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>>2804502
What if there was a team of animators working together? Anybody here on a team or interested in joining one?

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>>2781571
Ok noticing a few things wrong here.

First off timing/spacing. think of the head as a pendulum.

Second anticipation. Nobody just turns their head like that. Have him glance over first.

Here's an old piece of animation I did last year. To give you a better idea of what to do. I know my volumes are iffy but I did this in like half an hour while watching Mulan so...

You guys can ask me for general help as well.

>>2791977
The frames depend on what kind of motion you're doing.

Fast actions on 1's

Slow actions on 2's

Every drawing should look good though. why would you purposely draw badly?

>>2793368

>3's/4's

That's too slow. If you want to go dramatic then you have to use good acting.

>>2804578
Same anon here. Stare at his ear it looks silly...

>>2804578
can you post more recent shit

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>>2804619
This is the most recent thing I have saved on my computer. (I don't save everything I animate)

I'm working on something new right now so I could post that tomorrow or when ever I get it finished.

>>2804627
any more character stuff?

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>>2804658

>>2802965
very constructive

You guys should add Don Bluth to the tutorials list. He's got a few videos on YouTube and he does workshops and he has an animation course on his website.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0hESCYFK0

http://donbluthanimation.com/

>>2804542
lol im down, but my skills are that of a beginner. Im interested in how an animation team works

>>2804724
Didn't he kikestarter a new movie that produced nothing?

>>2804752
First off. What does that have to do with anything? Don Bluth is an ex Disney animator so he has valuable information to share.

Second. The kickstarter was to produce a short film that he could then send to a larger film company so that he can get his funding that way. He's working on the short right now, it's just taking a long time 'cause he's doing everything by him self.

>>2799272
thanks

My attempt at an [adult swim] type show. Took me 3 days to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OVkjm-O6so

>>2805127
this isnt animation

>>2805428
you're not animation

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>>2804741
You're a cog in the machine on an animation team

>>2805547
this looks like shit

>>2802965
who do you people exist.

>>2804667
Maybe use a bit more exaggeration. Right now it looks a little boring. Be more extreme with it.