How the fuck thread

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more stalenhag goodness

>copy and paste
>photo bash
>color balancing

a true modern day artist.

>paint normally
>add cool photo filter

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apparently he doesn't just do blue overlay as well. who would have thought he had real talent and skill.

hi Simon

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more than anything i want to know how he makes things look big

>>2758684
>>2758686

I came into this thread wanting to say how washed out and shittty those paintings look, then I saw your post and now all I want to do is defend this guy and call you a clueless beginner. I swear, can you morons just once not make me want to take his side by posting these idiotic buzzwords?

>>2758691
by making other things smaller

>>2758705
in terms of the average colour of these paintings its bland but its about the depth and the sense of size. all of his paintings have this feel of story and realism to them.

i want to know how to paint like that. i can barely paint at all but if i had that kind of vision for my paintings i feel id learn much faster.

>>2758705
I didn't say there was anything wrong with. it takes a lot of skill to successfully matte paint. it takes a lot of prior fundamental knowledge to say the least. triggered!

>photo bashing
>copy and paste
>color balancing

>>2758705
let's make one thing clear. the "buzzword"

>photobash

is in no way disregarding the skill required to create those images.

>>2758705
I didn't even imply they were bad, only that the coloring effect was done in post rather than in the painting stage. Substitute photo filter for gradient map or color balance, add levels or curves adjustment. How do you assume it's done?
Your silly outburst is unwarranted, clueless beginner.

photobashing is simply using photos as a crutch to quickly provide the concept of realism combined with what ever the artist is painting.

>>2758717
It is because it's specifically hinted at when it doesn't have to be.

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ok can someone explain what /ic/'s definition of photobashing is to me.
a quick google left me with this <<

>>2758727
Says it right in your title, it's generally for textures.

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>>2758728
so what in the fuck is stalenhag photobashing.. all i can think of is <<

>>2758733
It's not something to care about when viewing it, so don't worry about it. It only matters if you're the person doing it. It's more of a process more so than a thing to look for.

>>2758679
This is really bad. You can tell where the paintover ends, and where the "fantasy" part of the picture starts, and they don't mix at all. The sense of distance and perspective are both wrong.

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>/ic/ shitting on Stalenhag

>>2758739
"Bad". Subjective. It's all intended for a purpose.

>>2758743
He intended to make technical errors?

>>2758745
There are no such things as errors. Did you somehow forget that art has no rules?

rip my thread being fun. i wanted people to post cool artists with good qualities and maybe a few art vets would come along and give words of wisdom.

this is just a few critics saying my artist is shit.

>>2758741
ahahahaha /ic would shit on Leonardo DiCaprio if he was still alive.

>>2758733
He isn't. Noobs on /ic/ think everyone who can paint with realistic colors and values and uses photo reference is "photobashing".

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>>2758754

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>>2758755
that's cause they do.

here is a good example.

>>2758765
Oh wow this is embarrassing.

He doesn't "photobash" but he relies too much on photo references. He directly copies colours from photos which is why the may seem "realistic" to you but they're actually not, they're just photo-realistic.

I hope you all know that photo bashing is literally using the photos to make the majority of the picture what most of you used as example are photo reference and Ill be damned if I can look at photo reference lol

>>2758754
He survived a bear attack, i am sure people shitting on him wont kill him

>>2758774
>he relies too much on photo references
There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that.

>>2758784
If you had any basic knowledge about painting you'd know that's not true. Photos have ugly values and colors and are not representative of how our eyes see things. All good realist painters who paint from photos have a very good understanding of colours so they adjust them accordingly.

>>2758787
Well he made it and you won't so there's nothing wrong with it.

>>2758787
are fucking retarded or trolling. if the case you're being serious.

Get with the FUCKING ERA. It's digital artwork not traditional. DO NOT COMPARE THE TWO.

>>2758787
You can deviate from the original values/colors of a photo reference to create a cohesive composition, just like you say. It's very obvious that Stalenhag does just that.

I don't get your point. You're saying there is something wrong with relying on photo references, but then you're saying it's okay to use photo references as long as you're skilled?

>>2758787
You're throwing pearls before swine here, people won't understand. His works are all flat as fuck and with weak color ranges thanks to his reliance on photos

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>>2758797

how is this flat? jesus...


this guy is damn good.

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probably one of his bests.

>>2758799
are you kidding? this isnt even on par with "paintings" at the dentists office.

>>2758804
they need to make more dino movies. with ultra gore.

>>2758805
you will never make anything close to as good as this.

>never gon make it

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reminds me of a E.T.

good shit.

>>2758805
hahahah kill yourself

>>2758799

>uses less detail in his background instead of camera blur filter

:)

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>>2758812
Shit colors! Jesus fuck - everything is just copied from a photo! WOW! Those value ranges are too narrow. Seriously - everything this guy does is wrong. What is he, retarded? I don't like it! This guy is everything wrong with art. Kim Jung Gi doesn't use photo references, why should Stalenhag? Ruan Ji has better colors - the best actually. How does he do it? This guy uses too many references - I can tell. Stalenhag? More like StalenHACK!

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>>2758825

leave me alone.

>>2758733
Kek. This made me laugh.

Stålenhag is definitely one of the best at storytelling. Ruan and the other chingchong digital painter boys may have more fanciful rendering skills but honestly how rememerable are their paintings? When you think of Ruan you go like "ah, it's the flied lice guy who painted the flute chick and a bunch of rocks and shit lol not sure I remember what else" but Stålenhag's paintings are whole universes unto themselves.

This thread perfectly represents why I hate and love /ic/ at the same time. It's partly entertaining shitposting and yet there are some people in here, who post shit unironically coming from pure inability, ignorance and arrogance. Loud mouthed idiots.

>>2758900
Speak for yourself.

>>2758902

No I am speaking for the United Nations, what do you think I am doing you fat fuck?

>>2758679
I don't know for SURE but I think Stalinberg uses a lot of photo references to start, but beyond that I don't think there's any real trick to his art, it's pretty straightforward which is refreshing. He's managed to find that perfect spot between rendering and being painterly to get the most efficient photo realistic results.


>>2758691
It's all about contrasting big shapes with tiny areas of detail then throwing over atmosphere to put it into the distance and surround it with smaller identifiable things like trees. The usual.


>>2758739
You're insane.

It's not perfect, but it's objectively REALLY GOOD. The amount of stress you're putting on it not being perfect is really telling anon. You need to chill out and stop using over exaggeration to impress us with your edgy opinions.

>>2758727
Generally it's when you either use a lightly edited photo in your painting and attempt to paint over it a bit to make it look seamless.

People don't like it because it feels cheap and it's replacing some amount of skill. I don't disagree, but I don't lose my mind over it like some others. It actually takes a fair amount of skill to use it correctly and even then it's not hard to look beyond it and see what the artist has actually hand made and appreciate that instead.

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I've developed a huge boner for this guy It's amazing how he gets things to be so soft but also really sharp at the same time. His lighting and color choice is hnnnnnnng

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>>2758929

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>>2758900
Ruan's stuff looks like a painting. A feast for the eyes. Stalenhag's stuff looks like a washed out photo. Very boring. Poor design sense. Boring shapes. Generic vehicles with a generic robot or something similar. Not very memorable at all.

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>>2758931
HNNNNNNGG

>>2758932
This isn't untrue, but I think you're deliberately omitting what makes his art so good just for the sake of trying to bring him down. His subject matter as it fits into a world building narrative that isn't explicitly stated combined with an incredible sense of atmosphere and slice of life themes are what make his work phenominal.

If I wanted to oogle over a painter's technique I'd choose Jia any day of the week, but I'd say StalinHeim's work is FAR more intriguing and you're acting like that doesn't count for anything.

>>2758932
>generic fantasy characters

Yawn.

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This is another chinese render monkey who has great lighting sense.

>>2758932

Stålenhag's works are actually very painterly, more so than Ruan. If his work doesn't speak to you personally that's fine but Stålenhag has objectively a more unique style than Ruan whether you like it or not.

>>2758711
it's talent

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>>2758944
More render monkey similar to this render monkey >>2758765


>>2758939
This is an understatement.

If someone's going to call Stalinhagendas's art "boring" and compare it to Jia... fuck man Jia's designs and subject matter are nothing to put on a pedestal.

>>2758819
Reality kind of works that way

No matter how many times I study Krenz's studies, I still don't really understand his process. I wish he posted videos of him drawing in addition to still image tutorials.

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>>2758900
>When you think of Ruan you go like "ah, it's the flied lice guy who painted the flute chick and a bunch of rocks and shit lol

>>2758904
You're a funny guy. I like you.

>>2758900
really? I just think "Guildwars artist, cool".

Simon makes me think of Hollywood movies.

why are you guys comparing two very different styles? You're all fucking retarded. I'm better than every single fucking one of you.

>>2758987
>I'm better than ever single fucking one of you
post your merc

>>2758932
>Ruan's stuff looks like a painting.
It's immediately obvious that Ruan's works could have only been produced on a computer. Nothing wrong with that but at the same time wholly invalidates the comparison to paintings.

"painterly", maybe. "painting", no.

>>2758993
>It's immediately obvious that Ruan's works could have only been produced on a computer.
Why?

>>2758998
eyes

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how do i draw figures that are full of life?

>>2759025
Practice?

>>2758993
>It's immediately obvious that Ruan's works could have only been produced on a computer
Well if you actually paint digitally you can pick out a digital painting from a traditional one easily at a glance. It's not something that is unique to Ruan. He does also have some oil paintings he's done that are very high level and stylistically similar to his digitals.

>>2759025
source

>>2758772
no no no. you're the only embarrassment here.

>>2759025
learn about gesture

>>2759034
@gufu6

>>2758799
It's not super flat, but it's not perfect either. I like Stalenhag and I think he's good, but I see what that other anon was saying. Look at the tree line specifically in that picture you posted, see how it looks almost like a textured wall rather than a forest that has depth to it?

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I legit don't know how this guy does some of his paintings.

>>2759205

Photobashing. Have his process vids, literally overpainted photos

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>>2759205

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how to paint this texture with watercolor? the highlights can be painted with opaque but I was wondering how the middle tones and lighter part of dark values were done.

>>2759205
Psst heres a hint, he has to scale prop masks like in his paintings and the models/friends look like the subjects in the paintings. Ppsst don't tell anyone it's le photo paint over

>>2758993
A painting done on the computer is still a painting you doof.

It looks like a painting in the sense that it is a bunch of colored marks applied by hand. Not that weird thing that a lot of digital art is where it looks kinda hand painted but also kinda photobashed and also kinda 3D over paint and you don't feel the artist in the work much.

I suppose Stalanhag does indeed look like a painting, sometimes more than others. Looks like old gouache matte paint stuff. Which was supposed to look real, like a photo. Not necessarily artistically pleasing, with nice mark making, colors, and rhythms and such.

>>2758939
>>2758950
Yes, true, Ruan is generally painting warriors and dragons and such. I think he brings his own touches to it. But yeah, still warriors and dragons. This seems to be common with the really good painters. Craig Mullins and Jaime Jones are the same way. You don't hire any of these guys to come up with interesting designs. You hire other people for that. Then pass the designs to the painterly guys for a sexy illustration. Still love looking at all their work. And foolishly hope to be able to do what they do one day but with cool designs on top. :P

>>2759289
why are you fat and gay?

>>2759234
weeeelll fine. I guess I assumed that was true but didn't want to believe. I still love his pictures though, they're weird and cool.

Simon Stalenhag is amazing for his vision and ideas. Not so much for his painting. The people saying his art is flat visually, has weak bland color ranges and just very little artistic depth to it (unlike genuinely good digital painters) are 100% correct in their critique.

I don't mind that at all, some people care more about the ideas and not that much about the technical-artistry aspects of it. But still.

One thing I do like about his way of painting is how consistant the look of his work is, even when he is communicating lighting effects, fog, shrubs and thick plants, different material surfaces, etc.

>>2759387
you probably can't even hold a pencil m8. kekeroni 100%

>>2759303
They are what they are i unfollowed when i found out he was staging photos and painting over.

>>2759234
I bet if it didn't look good, you would just say the person sucked at drawing from a photo ref.

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>>2758679
I like Stalenhag
this one amazes me
the rain drops..

>>2759528
At first I thought those were military men, but now I'm just creeped out.

>>2758819
>Instead of camera blur filter
>Camera blur filter
Wtf nigger?

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>>2759529
right? its right behind the corner.. one more of him i realy like

The content of this thread can sum up what this board has become. A place for bitter fucks where they can make themselves feel better by projecting their negativity unto all they see while living in the delusion that if everything else is bad, then they must be good.

Fucking pathetic.

>>2758754

L-Leonardo DiCaprio is dead? ;____;

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>>2758754
da vinci you mean right? right?
well entire /ic/ will never have even 12% of his genius and vision so their opinion can be discarded about him

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>>2759585
Did a small study on that one awhile back.
This is from scratch. It's hard to get his look. Plus I didn't work as large as he does

>>2759403

I've been freelancing fulltime for about 2 years now brah

>>2759674
>It's hard to get his look
>paints super small
>uses a softer brush
>barely any temperature shifts

No wonder you can't get his look.
Shift to a brush with 100% opacity and flow without pen pressure. Make sure it's hard and not soft at all. Be strong and blunt about your value shapes.

>ITT: anything that isn't drawn is photobashed

>>2758938
>boring generic landscapes with random futuristic element added
wow 10/10 storytelling masterpiece
you got actual examples of actual painting skills and storytelling in this very thread i don't know why you can't tell the difference, like look at what this guy posted >>2758929

>>2758825
You're actually correct, his process is largely based around creating palettes by colour picking. Also he collects photographs of mundane Swedish scenery and heavily references them, adding in the extra details that give it a sci-fi edge.

>>2759680
haven't we all.

>>2759674
pretty sick. I like the concept of gore and sciencefiction combined. although the image itself is nothing appealing. do more

>>2759707
I did say it was a study. I generally use hard brushes and never tried turning off the pressure lol.might be why it looks softer even with most of the sodt brushing was done on the blood for just laying down a light layer of color.It's something I'll experiment with. I like pen pressure though lol.
>>2759775
Thanks m8.

>>2758733
yeah, this is wood, thats an robot.. youve got water there, thats right, and a tree. I dont see your point.

Also this guy https://www.instagram.com/van_minnen/
blows me away

>>2759674
cool. could use some detail, i like the reflection tho. Hard to judge for me how much effort it took as i dont deal with them digital media at all

>>2759656
Obviously davinci was a genius. He was great at everything he did but I think the meme that no one will ever achieve what he did in art or will ever be x% of what he was in any of those fields is fucking stupid. Realistically I bet there are numerous artists alive right now who are objectively better than him but ofcourse they don't have years of art history cum stains to back them up so they'll "NEVER" be even close to him.

/ic/ is in general pretty bad but I'd say someone who has or will grace this place will at least achieve maybe 20 to 25% davinci

>>2760064
most people on /ic are professional though. I don't know why everyone seems to oppose this.

feel free to talk.

>>2760068
I definitely wouldn't say most. I'm looking at the draw threads as my evidence, most are inexperienced or average. Some are clearly getting there or almost there, and a few are objectively good. Some of them might be professional but that doesn't really mean anything. I know some shitty artists who are, technically speaking, professional. I mean if we're putting them on a scale of 1 to Davinci it doesn't matter how much they're getting paid, they're either shit or not.

if you were to merge all /ic/ artists into one person that person would probably be a bit below average imo.

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How the fuck do I paint like Wayne Barlowe?

>>2760427
Figure out his process through examining his works.

>>2760438
He literally explains his process, anon. How do you not understand it? He's got tons of videos of him just painting. Although, I have to admit, Feng really is amazing to the point where he makes it look so simple until you do it yourself and it doesn't work out the same way. It's likely just experience, he's got like 20 years or something.

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how

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how?

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HOW??

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How? How the fuck? The colors. The rendering. The character design. How? I just don't fucking get it.

>>2760468
Starts with fundamentals.

>>2759674
>It's hard to get his look
nigga you didn't even try

>>2760470
>didn't even try
So where's your work, anon? Did you try?

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>>2760469
And ends with?
I want to know the process. I'm not a retard. I just want a new understanding of what he knows. The color, for example, is incredibly stylized and it's not like he does any process sketches or anything.

>>2760472
Oh don't be so defensive anon. He was just putting it bluntly. I agree. You need to use harder brushes. Not that I don't know its a study or anything.

>>2760476
You want to know about the design itself?
That's just personal preference and a multitude of references of colors, anatomy, etc. to help out with that. Unless I'm missing what you're asking. Also, is there a post with this art that says he did it for a sketch? I have no idea, so if he did do it on one go, then he already captured the image within his mind.

>>2760472
sure showed me

get your head out of your ass and apply yourself next time
you won't learn shit from "studies" like that one

>>2760469
>>2760429
>just like google it bro
this thread is retarded

>>2760482
This post wasn't me. >>2760472
I'm not one to defend my studies. I welcome imput . Its Just other anons talking in my place.

>>2760476
One thing that's more or less true is that if you get your values right you can just about get away with any color scheme.

And in general you want to have your lights be the opposite temperature from your darks. Ie: lights= red. darks= green/blue. And you can apply this logic to saturation to further affect how the light feels. In the pic you posted the lights are more saturated than the darks.

>>2760496
these are literally the only 2 things you need to draw like anyone retard, there's no magic answer, you study fundies then you study his art thoroughly

>>2760427
Paint something.
Then add white highlights everywhere afterwards.

>>2759739
>>2758929 was me. I happen to like different kinds of artists.

I honestly can't tell why you're choosing to be so retarded about this. Stalenhag uses subtle storytelling and atmosphere to make objectively more compelling images than just about anything Jia has made. I didn't say his works were masterpieces but for you to jump on here and start trashing them while blatantly ignoring what's good about them is really silly.

>>2760463
What a weird looking dick.

>People shitting on Stalenhag over technicalities
He's one of the few sci-fi artists whose work doesn't look like generic videogame shit, jeez

>>2758679
bump

>>2760427
HOLY fuck never seen this guy before.

That's closest I've seen to beating beksinski.

>>2760742
This post had been neglected.

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>>2758754
Kek, and probably true.

>>2760742
Underrated, kek

>>2759025
study from life

>>2763113
>beating

It's not like are or were ever in a race, let alone a race toward a specific goal. They paint similarly but deal with very different imagery.

Barlowe is better though. Incase you were wondering.

>>2760609
but the fact is his "amazing" storytelling skills are subpar and extremely generic, and not much different from the other thousands of concept art guys out there, who also happen to be way better painters.
there is also nothing objectively compelling in those pictures if you're not into generic sci fi shit, and i'd take jia's generic but beautiful paintings of dragons over it any day.
>>2760745
it does look like generic videogame shit though, most of whats posted in this thread from him could easily pass for basic half life 2 concept art

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what style of painting is this?

>>2759976

Are you autistic or something?

>>2765083
art neuvou

>>2758679
Paint over photos and 3D then use colour match or some combination of these things