Question thread.

How do perspective in my sketchbook when the vanshing points are off the page?

>>2756906
Tape more paper on. Or just mark the lines with a ruler and go from there.

why are people so fucked on trying to "make it"

>>2756920
Zyzz gave them a meme to dream when he turned dream into meme. It's mostly not serious, but fun to use because it gets you pumped and it's funny when autists take it to heart. I just want to be average as far as my own aesthetic tastes go and find my own voice to give my specific brand of degenerate boners with.

Has it ever happened to you that you have an art piece be it a painting,drawing etc. and you just don't like it/hate it but everyone around you genuinely loves it and says it's cool?

>>2756906
draw really fucking small, so you can keep the vanishing points on the page

>>2756928
They're lying or they have normie tastes.

>>2756928
People around who don't draw have it ingrained in their mind to give praise, even in situations where praise is clearly not expected or deserved. Either be seduced by normiepraise or do what you're doing now and be critical.

>>2756920
because you are a worthless pleb if you dont make it. There's nothing that can distinguish you from other bland, dull people. Making it shows that you are worthy.

>>2756839
in lineart to color process, at what point do you start painting over the lineart?
Some people delete their lineart, Some people use super fucking detailed lineart and idk what im doing pls send help

>>2756964
There's different stages to rendering. Look them up. It's something like fill in large areas than move on to smaller.

>>2756906
Look up brewer grid

I don't know if this is the kind of question for this thread but what do I have to lose.

I did a paintover of someone's drawing for something simple but ended up going way past the goal and practically changed it into an entirely different picture. I spent enough time on it I want to get some use out of it. I'm not sure it would be useful to the person as a guideline anymore, in fact I really don't think it would be but you never know. I wouldn't put it on my gallery but I could at least get some critique on what I did if I post it in the draw thread. Should I post it for the original artist to see or should I post it in the drawthread and get a critique on it separately?

So months ago I was using a small Wacom intuos p s to dabble and complete art exercises of the sticky and the web, but now it stopped working. Tried everything. Maybe it's because I connected my pc to a TV screen and not a monitor

Anyway, is there a brand of digital tablets that doesn't have 5000 driver / software problems? I'm fucking done with Wacom

>>2756839
I am able to draw realistic faces reasonably well when they're ~A4 size drawings but any smaller they look weird af. Any tips on drawing small (thumbnail or 5x5cm?) faces? thanks

Can someone tell me why the highlight of an object moves if you move your head?

>>2757383
Light particles just do their thang - you're moving through them, they don't stick to you or anything.

>>2757391
What? I need an explanation that I can use in drawing.

>>2757383
Because the light source isn't moving, it's the head that is. FFS

>>2756839
How do I circlejerk with a group of artists. There are absolute crap artists on /co/ and /aco/ but they all get similar rates of recognition, notes and reblogs. I want in on this free publicity.

>>2757404
Light and shadow isn't moving though but the highlight is. I just don't get why and how it relates to the station point.

>>2757405
Drawfag constantly.

>>2757409
Same reason the reflection of the moon moves on the water, its a reflection and relative to the observer, light and shadow are fixed.

>>2757308
Bump

should i read loomis or hampton if i want to construct heads?

Is it ok if I have sex with my dog to get inspiration?

>>2758049
Both.

>>2758067
No, inspiration must come from within.

>>2757401
They only reflect at your eyes. It moves because you move.

>>2757342
Wacom is the best and you must just have a bad product. Get another one.

>>2758072

Technically, it might still be coming within.

Should I Mcfucking kill myself this week?

>>2758102
No.

>>2758072
>>2758080

I would certainly come within.

>>2757401
>>2757409
Imagine a spotlight shining directly down on top of a metallic sphere, so that as you move around the sphere the reflection from the spotlight seems with you. Now, instead of light particles, imagine that the spotlight is spewing out bouncy balls.

As the balls hit the sphere, they bounce off. If they hit a part of the sphere that you're in front of, they'll hit you when they bounce off, but no other balls will hit you, because you're not in their way. if you walk around the sphere, only the balls hitting whichever part of the sphere you face will hit you. Now imagine that you can only see the balls that are going to hit you, all the rest are invisible. if you walked around the sphere while doing this, it would appear that the stream of balls was following you, but in fact you're just seeing different balls as you move, creating an illusion.

That's how light works, light hitting an object will scatter in a wide area, but only the light hitting you(or your eyes, specifically) will be visible.

As for shadows, imagine the bottom of that sphere from before. you'll never be hit by a ball bouncing off the bottom of the sphere, because there aren't any balls hitting it there, a "bouncy ball shadow" if you will. you'd have to move the spotlight for that to happen.

So, in conclusion, reflections change relative to the viewer, but shadows only change relative to the light source itself. I hope this helped.

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working on collecting the beginners list of books. What am i missing out of what i have? I ask because my mother wants me to give her a list of shit i want for christmas and if i can do better than just sketchbooks. im going to.

what i have so far

Keys to Drawing
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
Perspective Made Easy
Fun with a Pencil
Figure Drawing for all its Worth
Drawing the Heads and Hands

The only one i was looking at to add was
The Natural Way to Draw: A Working Plan for Art Study

Should i just stop here? Is there a book or two i could add?

>>2758137
The sticky is all that you need.

>>2758137
Replace some of the loomis with Bridgeman and Hampton, remove DRSB and add literally anything else. Maybe something on rendering. I like Guptill but that's probably out of print.

>>2758149
any books of Bridgemans and Hamptons in particular? the stuff on my list i already own and have so we are just adding to that.

>>2756839
Considering I have a regular table instead of a special one made for drawing, is my lap the best place to put the tablet? At least I would be able to move my shoulder

>>2758137

>Fun with Pencil
>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

Skip those.

>Perspective Made Easy

Just google it, first page there's a .pdf of it, print it.

>>2758213
No, what? How low is your table?

>>2758234
74cm, roughly. Not low enough

How do you use an artbook? Ive never studied before aside from flst reading so I have no idea how to apply or learn from a book that instructs practical use. IE; Drawing.

>>2758322
Typically you copy what the book does a lot and then apply it by doing some kind of imaginative work.

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are there any mentallyillfags here who still manage to sustain an art career?

i have around two panic attacks a week on average and they reduce my productivity more than i'd like especially since i get so drained afterwards. i don't want sympathy or anything like that just advice on how to maintain a level of productivity high enough to start working for larger clients instead of doing shitty commissions for autists on deviantart. avoiding medication/therapy would be preferred if possible

Can anyone help me out with Photoshop? I'm trying to change the command that copies a layer and moves it (Cntrl+Alt+Click).

I don't see any "Click" commands in the shortcut menus though. Google isn't helping. Can anyone point out where it is?

Any recommendations on books or courses for art history?

I want to be able to respond adequately when given a series of paintings. I have almost zero knowledge of art, so any advice will be great thanks.

>>2758358
i've heard that e.h gombrich's book does a good job of providing an overview, it was written in the 50's though so the scope is limited. there's probably a good mooc that covers all the basics. i've been going through a couple that are more focused and they've been fascinating

>>2758358
Use wikipedia to get an understanding of the general art movements and the artists involved, researching individual artists further on your own. You should be able to recognize at a glance what time period a painting was done when you are shown it.

For specific analysis of pieces Khan Academy has some series of free short videos on art history. They're a bit limited in scope and a bit cursory, but they are still pretty good.

>>2758338
i've got extremely high levels of autism and i do ok

>>2758382
The story of art? Yes I think I'm going to get that book. Any other similar titles or moocs to recommend? Thanks

so what's the point of learning to stop symbol drawing? turning your brain off and putting down lines exactly where they are in whatever it is you're observing teaches you better observation skills, but once you go off to making your own characters in unique poses you won't be able to at all, since all you've been doing is turning your brain off and photocopying lines.

so you look up various poses for references and use those but again, you can't symbol draw, so all you know is 1:1 line placements.

I guess my question is why does it feel like observational drawings and proper figure construction are two entirely separate things? when you draw a person's portrait you don't draw a circle, then the hairline eye line etc, you just turn your brain off and draw 1:1 observed lines and tones since you're drawing from life and the construction is inherit in their bones and bodies, but when there's nothing to observe except what you're "seeing" in your mind, what then?

>>2758518
Before you can truly be effective at symbol drawing from imagination, you need to be able to effectively produce realistic copies of what you see from the real world.

>>2758518
You shouldn't be turning off your brain when you do observational drawings, you should be learning.

Everyone says I should follow Loomis but what did Loomis follow?

Is there any benefit from learning how to draw without any teachings?

>>2758529
you learn everything through trial and error.

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How does hyper perspective in studio Gainax style works? I already know the basics of perspective, i can't figure how they manage to get such dynamic perspectives and still mantain the proportions.

>>2758529
Loomis had a classical education copying the old masters and grinding draftsmanship alongside study of anatomy and figure with real live naked women and real dead corpses.

Without cracking a book or taking a class, you're still presumably looking at someone's art and using something from it, just without all the useful bits as to why attached.

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What's the recommended function/key to assign to these buttons? What do YOU use?

>>2758608

I don't use it.

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Weird Question here.

I draw ecorche, but it always looks flat and anatomically incorrect. I want to achieve something like this where its not ecorche, but the muscles stick out. And Im trying to do it through linework and no rendering whatsoever.

Ive looked at (pic), peter paul ruben drawings, h george bridgman, and burne hogarth, and drawings of the hulk to try to get this effect. But I cant describe how its done.

So basically, Im wondering how someone like alphanso dunn or peter paul ruben knew the form so well for individual muscles and they dont look flat.

oh, and how to draw strong people too.

>>2758616
draw footballs shapes

>>2758333
Didn't think itd be that simple.

Thank you, gentle anon.

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What's the name of this painting? I know it's by Takato Yamamoto but I just can't find the name.

why are all streamers bad animu kids? i just want to watch how people with basic competency construct stuff.

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Why the fuck is the paperback version of Anatomy for sculptors so expensive?

>>2759022
Often artbooks have their prices skyrocket once they are out of print like that. There's a pdf of it that is floating around that you can find online, it might even be in the current art book thread if you check.

>>2759033
I have the pdf and I use it pretty much every day, so I wanted to get the paperback too. Oh well

>>2759043
Print it out and throw it in a three ring binder.

>>2759118
He probably meant he wanted to support the author. Printing and binding though is a good idea.

HOW DO I DRAW A WEEK STRAIGHT

>>2758608
bottom I use right click, top one I use move tool. the eraser at the end is my flip canvas

i want to draw stylized animals but fuck i dont know

>>2758612
Not what I was expecting but that's interesting. As long as you can draw with it amirite

>>2759223
I hadn't even thought of reassigning the eraser to something useful! Duh. Flip canvas is pretty neat, thanks for the idea.

>>2757308
as long as you're honest about it i don't see why it's a problem. if it still bears too much resemblance to the original, give credit where it's due. if you think it's different enough, post it without commentary, and if you get called out just admit to it.
i'm curious and want to see the original + your paintover, anon!

>>2758112
are you a teacher? that was amazing

>>2758338

I'm pretty mentally ill but I'm on meds now so I can function, and honestly Anon, if you have two panic attacks a week I think you should probably take some sort of meds. All that stress is just killing you and probably makes the process of creating art more miserable than it should be.

As for making art, when I stop being lazy and actually try to make something I'm fine. If I wasn't on meds I would probably be more stressed and insecure about my art. Always remember to go at your own pace, and this applies to everything.

Also in case you're wondering no I don't think the meds made me lazier....probably.

Should I try to get into digital art?
I think I'd probably have to get the type of tablet with a screen on it though.

How can I deal with a very very very otaku weeb commission?

I'm trying to get it done, I need the money, but it's sooo overdesigned. I'm not kidding, it's the type of stereotypical nonsense you'd expect from Deviantart anime-fans.

>>2759338
>I think I'd probably have to get the type of tablet with a screen on it though.
Why do you think that? Just get a cheap screen-less one. If you really get into it, then get the fancy one you want.

>>2759340
>Just get a cheap screen-less one.

I only tried it for a tiny bit a long time ago, but I think drawing while not seeing the drawing being made directly from my hand was kind of weird and I probably wouldn't do as good of job that way.

>>2759348
A cintiq is the kind of thing your boss buys everyone in the office so you look cool when clients come around, or a thing you buy with patreon pornbux. I can count on a double amputee's hand the number of people who buy one and actually use it for longer than a week without already having a day job doing digital art.

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How do I make these little cunts look weighted

>>2759359

So I guess I should try harder with a cheap tablet before going for one with a screen.

>>2759371
draw real life people who inherently have weight to them.

repeat when you go back to the little cunts.

>>2759371
Add dumbbells to their body.

>>2759381
where can i go to get pictures and stuff?

>>2759384
ok i will

>>2759381
>draw real life people who inherently have weight to them.
I'll be sure to draw your mum then

I'm new to this board, does anyone ever post embroidery on here?

>>2759348
fyi, that's normal. It happens to almost everyone the first time they use a tablet. Once you get used to it, you'll start drawing normally. When I used mine for the first time, I couldn't even write properly.

>>2759459
Sounds more like you're new to 4chan as a whole. Just use the archive, newfag

>>2759462
I'm on my phone using mimi and can't search the archive.

Does anyone else draw with a pilot G2? I really like it but I feel that I may be selling.

>>2759491
myself short.

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>>2759293
The more time I spent on it the more I felt like I wasted my time. Just painting over it without laying down my own structural guidelines left the structure all fucked up. The rendering is probably mediocre at best; I'm pretty sure the lighting is inconsistent and edges and texture are weak. At this point I don't want to either show it in an attempt to help the other anon or as something for critique. Satisfying one person's curiosity is all this thing will be good for but that's enough for me to not feel like it was a total waste so thank you anon.

I swear this is an actual question, not trolling. Where do I find art friends that are both good artists and also not fucking insane? I swear it's one or the other on both tumblr and Instagram. Where do I need to be looking? I'm so tired of talking people through their depressive and suicidal episodes. Obviously I will do it if I'm in the situation, but I'd rather not be, you know? I just wanted an art buddy.

>>2759518
You just keep looking really. You find the right one eventually. Persistence is key.

Do you ever google search your art? To see where people share them?
To see what people say about your picture? Do you care about it?
Do you make an account just to give them the source of the art? Or just to post some comment?

>>2756839
Are there any /ic/ alternatives?

Also, hows the ic discord server?

How do i paint in PS?
After doing some paintings IRl i've come to realize all I do is making a coloring book-like drawing, and this is rather unsetting.
...As well as PS instruments not working like actual brushes and pencils, though! Should i try to get used to drawing with a pen? After all, this is what one uses when drawing on a tablet.

>>2759524
I'm of the opinion that learning on traditional media first is the best way and it's what I'd recommend. However when it comes to painting digitally I prefer Clip Studio over Photoshop because Clip Studio's tools function way more like traditional media. With Photoshop you need to learn a bunch of technical things to get certain looks. But I think learning Photoshop helps a lot with learning Clip Studio so it's really kind of open ended as to what to go with first. That's why I think it's best to focus on traditional media and fundamentals so you're not worrying about that on top of learning all this mechanical stuff. Just one opinion though.

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1) How the hell do I stay on-model? Whats to be practiced to get better at capturing a style?

2) Im told my drawings are fundamentally bad, as if i did no construction, typically i start drawing with a gesture, use rounded forms like vilppu, it was recommended that I use angular geometric shapes, like boxes, ive tried and my drawings still seem awful, or even stiff. Whats needed to practice to get over this hump? starting over from scratch? learning from someone other than vilppu?

3) Is Drawing on the right side of the brain worth reading? is it really something that can help or is it just pseudo science and a waste of effort?


please, somebody help me.

1 hour of basic exercises looks like 10 mins of effort for me and I'm never happy about it. Is this normal and does it get better eventually?

Starting out are 10+ gestures a day decent

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>>2759686

It means that you aren't putting enough effort into those. Either work out to up your precision in those exercises or compound them to make more difficult exercises.

Say, the exercise with rotating a box and making a "sphere" out of them - try to do the same but with an arrow.

Or again, on blocky forms in perspective - try making some composition, say like pic related from letters.

It's good to find a site of some local atelier/school of drawing that prepares kids for architecture studies and then look at the gallery and see what kind of exercises they do.

>>2759538
>3) Is Drawing on the right side of the brain worth reading?
is pretty good for people who think they can't draw it explain symbolic drawings and it also has some cool exercises to trick your mind for making drawing easier (for example drawing photos upside down, drawing negativr-space shapes, drawing with the eyes closed etc) plus the stuff on shutting off the 'analitic/rational' part of the brain it's interesting.

>>2759704
I see, thank.

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>>2756839
is this drawing form, or just symbol drawing?

How could I properly paint the likeness of a persons face from any angle/perspective?

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I have literally zero art friends. I'm on a somewhat professional level and ideally I'd want people in my life, who are actual pros or people on the verge of professionality. How do I acquire? I'm socially retarded.

What exactly is a master study?

Is it just that I should be looking at old paintings and trying to recreate them? Is there a specific process I'm supposed to have in trying to learn from them? Or is it just that I'll understand more for having done it? I want to start studying from some of these old paintings that inspire me, but I'm not super sure what studying them means.

Is it just recreation?

>>2759743
see how you drew a regular 2D circle for the head instead of a '3D' sphere? that's how you know it's symbol drawing.

>>2759763
learn how to construct heads from every angle, then worry about painting. LOOMIS

>>2759770
look around in your city. go hang out in jazz lounges or something.

>>2759801
Watch Noah Bradley's Art Camp first episode
It's free and on master studies

At what point can I move on to working digitally. I have a very strong understanding of perspective, construction, form, gesture, and anatomy. I don't want to do traditional long-term.

>>2759818
If you ever have to ask, then you're too young of an artist to go digital. For you would know traditional will always be there.

>>2759821
This sounds like a deepity.

>>2759809
starting it now, thanks!

Am I gonna make it?

>>2759851
It's up to you.

>>2759805
>look around in your city. go hang out in jazz lounges or something.

I'm probably the only "pro" in my area, I don't want to surround myself with hacks. I have ambitions!

>>2759809
Okay I thanked you once already but now having been watching it. Thank you again for recommending this. It's so useful and I'm not as far into the video as I should be because it got me so excited to get to work that I paused it to find some materials so I could start doing some of this along with him.

Putting the cart before the horse maybe, but also I'm just really excited to start doing some studies instead of wondering what I'm supposed to study.

>>2759877
Are you looking to hang out irl? If you make friends online through social media you'll eventually find peers in your area.

How can I correctly do all the exercises in How to draw/render digitally in say photoshop?

I know you guys hate questions like this, but does anyone here have a link to Vilppu's drapery lesson (the video obviously)?

I swear I had it, but I can not find it, I checked the archive but found only his anatomy stuff.

>>2756839
How the fuck does hair work?
I have the hardest time seeing values or shapes in hair so whenever I do draw it it just comes out as a mess of lines that follow the contours of the head.

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The common consensus is that Photoshop is the standard for painting. What program is best solely for nice, clean lineart?

Porn artist here. Personally I don't really care because they're cartoon characters. But what's the worst that could happen if i made a comic featuring a much older female and her son having sex? The characters in Question are From a series named Robot Boy.

>>2760152
Clip Studio Paint. It has some pretty keen tools for linework.

Someone else will say Sai, they are mistaken.

>>2760166
A C&D letter. An actual lawsuit if you try to sell it.

>>2760171
What if instead of directly selling it i put it behind a paywall like on patreon. I wouldn't upload it to patreon of course but i'd probably post a download link.

>>2760177
You asked for the worst thing that can happen, but it's actually quite unlikely to happen.

>>2760167
thanks!

>>2760166
People do that all the time it's not a big deal.

>>2759523
>/ic/ alternatives
8ch but is 10x slower but practically same thing
otherwise conceptart.org, artstation

>>2759523
8ch /loomis/ is ok. All the art boards there including it are slow af though

>let's divide our userbase between 9000 boards, never delete old boards or let their users delete them either; sounds like a great idea!

>>2760254
>>2760264
>8ch
don't bother, it's only a ghost town

Any way to reliably do detail work in Corel Painter?

Compared to photoshop it's a mess, the delay on the brush and lack of minute control is a nuisance to work with and I'm having trouble making minute detail work without it devolving into a mess.

>>2760335
nvm turns out it just has that delay on Painter 12 brushes, switched to 17 and there's no issues.

>>2760152
Mischief is fucking great for lineart.

How do I start with color? I mean what medium would be the best? Also any book/resource rec on color theory?

Can't afford a tablet and even if I could I want to stay away from digital

>>2760356
Sticky

>>2760358

Uuhh not the sticky, I mean I see some color theory books in there, but I kinda want to avoid the shit ones. Couldn't find anything about mediums tho.

I guess my question was more personal, I'd like to hear how people started coloring and how was it.

But okay, i'll pick something from the sticky and go with it

>>2760366
James Gurney

>>2760374

Now that's more like it. Thanks anon

anyone knows a place of brushes to download?

>>2760440
DeviantArt, Tumblr, Twitter, etc.

>>2760444
thanks for the fast reply
any artists you know of?

>>2760453
I actually don't really pay attention to their name when I get a set.
>http://digitalbrushes.tumblr.com/
This has a ton of brush sets all in one place though that I sometimes use.

>>2760147
would like an answer to this.

>>2760474
Look into a technique called Sfumato

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How do you study from books? Other than doing the exercises and for those that don't have any. I've heard to both copy all of the drawing and to not do that at all.

Am I supposed to construct when copying reference
cause I can't get the proportions right when copying reference to save my fucking life

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Is Loomis' construction method for heads (I haven't seen his body anatomy stuff yet) really good for beginners? I feel he's really wordy and doesn't give you specifics on what you should be practicing. I feel pretty lost when trying to replicate some of his stuff or just use his method.

What are other construction methods that are equally accurate, but maybe better explained/easier to follow? I don't mind putting in the work, I just feel like I don't know what work to put in with Loomis.

Picture unrelated.

>>2760177
Patreon kinda fucks over most copyright things people can throw at you (as unlikely as they are anyway, most companies don't give a shit, especially regarding porn) because you're not getting paid directly to draw that specific character, nor are you selling it to people. So it's a very grey ground, and as far as I've seen, pretty difficult for anyone to slap you with a lawsuit even if they cared enough to try.

>>2761044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>2761052
This looks good, will go through it tonight. Thanks anon.

I feel like I'm finally at a point, where I can start working. I get 400+ favs on artstation on my pieces but I'm not getting any work offers. I mailed my work around recently but no replies so far.

How do I find freelance work?

So a lot of teachers, mostly Scott Robertson, stress the importance of being able to draw straight lines.

Why is this so important when a straight edge will always be present, either digitally or traditionally?

>>2761079
It takes time to build up connections with clients. Especially if you are sending your work to art drop emails then there is a very high chance it won't be seen for months if it ever gets seen. Keep emailing and keep posting publicly, ideally getting your work on other sites like facebook too. Try to make connections/friendships with other artists and they can often give you a helping hand like mentioning if there is a job opening or giving you the email of an art director. Obviously make sure you are not coming across like you are using people to try to get work through them though--make friends and then see what happens.

>>2761148

It's not about drawing a straight line, it's about the muscle control over your arm. It builds precision.

Which is important, but not as huge a deal as some teachers make it seem, thanks to the tools digital gives us. Pretty important for traditional, though.

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>>2756839

I have a question.


Is it worth it going through Eric Olson's 16 week seminar on Perspective if you have Marshall Vandruff's videos? I have a data cap of 50gb and downloading Eric Olson would mean I will be without internet for an entire month. I really want to follow the ''git gud in a year guide''. Is Eric Olson fundamental irreplaceable?

>>2761430

Get the Marshall Vandruff stuff now and begin working.

I'm 6 lectures deep in Olson and it is extensive as all fuck. So I suppose it's pretty thorough.

ANYWAY. You should get Marshall now and some books to read/work through. Over time, maybe the course of two or three months, parcel out your downloads of Olson if you think you need or want more. You know how you can only download specific chunks of stuff in torrent programs (I apologize for this insinuative question. I just wanted to be sure)? Get the stuff you can now and just pick up Olson by piecemeal.

You can totally learn perspective without Olson's lectures because a lot of other people have. It's just another good resource.

>>2761439

I am about done with Vandruff, and it's been very useful. The thing is, when I look at Olson's individual files on the torrent, it seems like he deals with the same topics as Vandruff, but the seminar is way longer. Which is confusing, how in depth does he go? I think I'll try downloading a bit of it and finding out myself.


Thanks for the idea, Anon.

So I was thinking of studying for a degree in Graphic Design. I want to do creative work for a living and am very confident with my communication skills and business sense.
It's something that I want very much, but I hear many people say iffy things on it on things regarding competition and salary. If not Graphic design what other art degree should I aim for or is it a great direction?

>>2761446

Okay, I'll level with you on this: he repeats himself and a lot of the lecture themes a looooooot. It's information dense but a lot of it is his old school style of teaching where the instructor lays out the information over and over and over.

As a person who has terrible ADHD and impulse problems and a tick where repeated phrases drive me batshit, it's a little much to take.

But it's thorough, is all I can say. He's very... Very, very thorough. You probably won't be privy to some kind of advanced secret knowledge he has that no one else does.

He's Station Point heavy and drills into that a lot.

There was an artist I was linked to once from here, draws a lot of torture stuff, basically torture porn. They're a pretty good artist, kind of a long shot but anyone know who it might be?

>>2761485
I think I'll finish Vandruff and move in to Scott Robertson How to draw series and book. I have ADHD too (currently on Modafinil) and I really want to move forward. I believe Scott also dwelves into Station points, I hope so at least.

>>2761488
Might be Hiroaki Samura's Love of the Brute?

Guys, I think I'm just being an autist, but how do I mix paint? I can draw with markers easily, but that's not amazing at all. However, when I paint, the colors are all off, both local color and background. It's like color eludes my brain.

>>2761167
Thanks. I've been trying for years to get into the pro art community but they're so incredibly cliquey and see outsiders like myself as competition, not as potential friends. All I can hope is that some of my normal art friends will become pros someday.

>>2761680
I hope you make it anon. If you can then I can to.

>>2761680
They can be a bit cliquey, but from what I've experienced/seen they don't do it out of competition. If they respect your skills they usually are very welcoming.

>>2761680
Act like you're a cute girl and watch the friend requests roll in. I'm not even kidding.

When studying anatomy free-hand, with just some hasty measurements to avoid terrible mistakes, with a picture on the computer as a model, is it more useful to try and go for the size of the figure in the pic, or draw as you see it?

>>2761572
>Hiroaki Samura's Love of the Brute
That was exactly it! Thanks anon.

How do I resize pictures?

How do I study from books,so I just don't simply read it and have it pass over my head but be able to internalize the knowledge?

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Holy fucc you guys; CGPeers has every art resource I could ever imagine. Why didn't you fags tell me about this sooner?

>>2758608
I have one set to dragging the canvas around.and the other button for changing brushes quickly

>>2761866
Read and apply what you learned on a practice page. Easier to understand what your learning when you try to apply it instead of just reading and not doing anything with it

>>2761806
What program are you in?
Photo shop it's in the toolbars on top.
>image
>resize Image.

>>2760483
I looked it up but I don't really see how it relates to the question

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>>2762058
treat it like smoke, nigga
keep it loose and don't go out and do every strand of hair individually

Is there any comprehensive book about form?
Having difficulty learning form when I can't do the exercises properly.

Do you crosspost your art? Is it bad etiquette to post the same things on tumblr/twitter/instagram?

>>2762323
When I got the time. It's not but it's a huge time taker.

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>>2762058
>>2762120
I think ribbons would be a better comparison than smoke. Think of hair in sections and it'll be easier.

>>2761699
Whatever works for you to be honest.

>>2762327
>I think ribbons would be a better comparison than smoke
that really depends, because if you focus on the face than usually your eyes lose focus on everything else, that is why the hair as smoke would emphasize that effect

>>2761900
It's our secret club.

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I've got some Clip Studio questions:

>1. Whenever I zoom in/out, my brush size/density changes. How do I fix this?

>2. Is it possible to change the frequency of auto-backups?

>3. Unlike in PS, brushes paint with an overlapping flow. What are some workarounds you've been using to get better results?

>>2756839
does anyone else draw better when drunk

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how to price stuff as a beginner in commissions?

I read everywhere that you should take into account your hourly wage and shit but I'm a literally who on the internet who doesn't have a following and I know people won't pay all my hours of work since I'm slow as shit

I started with really low prices and got some gigs but I feel like it's time to start charging properly

just scared I'll be scaring everyone away

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Dose anyone have any tips on prepping these Zebra fuckers?

I've done just about everything you'd find on a google search (Super quick run over with a lighter, nail polish remover, rubbing alcohol) and it still feels like a majority of the ink is sliding off or not coming out properly when in use.

I've had no problem with the one Nikko brand G-nib i got so i assume this is down to my retardation and not the product.

Any other recommendations for other nibs would also be appreciated.

Is there an abridged version of Drawing on the right side of the brain without all the pseudoscience?

Does anyone know where I can find serial numbers for the Flatten Pro plugin for photoshop? It seems really useful but demo mode is really limited...

Why is Art/Critique /ic/ instead of /ac/?

What does /ic/ mean?

>>2762775
"I See"

It's stupid tbqph

Is reading loomis worth it? Been seeing it as meme so that why I'm curious.

>>2756839
Can anyone give me small list of all good artschools in europe?

Any gift ideas for artist friends? I know most of you already have buckets of supplies and a million sketch books.

>>2762921
Maybe an art book

>>2762921
depending on the type of person, i usually get exorbitant version of something i already use, like a glass dip pen for example

>>2762776
Oh
thanks, I was thinking 'Intellectual Creatives' or something like that

>>2762952
that's funny

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Dumb question but is it helpful is I practice drawing the mannequin from Loomis' figure drawing book in various poses? I mean it's pretty much gesture drawing right? Since I'm trying to get good at porn too, gesture sounds pretty vital

>>2761866

Also copy the drawings. Try to draw them as the author would have, this is kinda tricky if you don't understand what's on the text.

>>2762973
Gesture is necessary basic for drawing anything organic

How do I start drawing? Every day I grab my paper and pencil and tell myself to draw but I never can do it. I just sit there for hours. It doesn't help that I'm also a NEET.

>>2762994
Just do it

>>2758616
Ah, classic. You're learning anatomy and expect form to kinda come naturally, which is not going to happen. First learn how to draw form, then you can apply it.
The key to drawing anatomy right is to always subdue the smaller forms to the larger ones.
Start your session with drawing loads of random shapes and feel them using cross contour lines. Drawabox helps a mile.

>>2758603
They don't maintain the proportions, they break them while being very conscious about it. That's the privilege an artist gains after getting through Vandruff's perspective series, Scott Robertson's book and drawing about a million of boxes.

>>2762327
>>2760147
Recently I had a "click" with drawing hair and it went from a chore to a fun exercise.
Don't worry about hair and learn gesture the way it's described in Hampton's book or Vilppu's videos - guiding the eye in a rhythmic lines as if it were mere waves of water or air. After you're really, really good at this, you can apply it to drawing people, clothing and hair. There's no difference.

>>2762681
https://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Right-Side-Brain-Workbook/dp/1585421952

>>2762994
1. warm-up
2. studies
3. personal work

Start by warming up your muscles, straight lines, curves, form and shape, still life drawing, ellipses...
Get a good book and read through it, copying and analyzing photos. Watch a video lecture, apply it. Study anatomy, gesture, perspective etc.
Draw something fun. Don't leave out this part, it's vital. Draw porn, design a character for a video game you made up, anime, fanart, vehicle design, whatever. Have fun.

I have a problem, /ic/, and it's a vicious circle that I can never seem to get out of.

>Draw something and see improvement (no matter how slight)
>Worry about drawing again in case there's no improvement or in case I've regressed
>Put off drawing for extended periods because of it
>Draw something and see improvement (no matter how slight)
>Rinse and repeat

It's not like I'm worried about letting anyone down or making a fool of myself because I'm the only one who sees them. Will this ever go away? It's like this for most of the things I learn, do or practice though and I end up surrounded by unfinished projects so it might be something of a deeper, underlying issue. I just would appreciate if anyone else had a similar experience and what happened about it/how they "fixed" it.

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>>2756839
Dutchfag here,
Is Willem de Kooning academy worth it? I was planning to study illustration there.
I already visited their 'Open Dag' and it was very interesting though I don't trust Open Dags becouse they are almost always a lie.

>>2763051
something like that happened to me.
Stoped worrying about regretions and improvement and just kept drawing my best even if sometimes I managed to fuck up some of my drawings.

What is a good video editing software that is free?

>>2763093
Thanks dude. Did it get better once you stopped worrying about it, like did you improve over all and find it easier to just get on with it after the initial, I guess, self doubt? I think everyone has off days so there'll always be fuck ups it's just a case of recognising an off day and not thinking it's your "real" ability. That's what I try to tell myself anyway.

why do people pin artwork on pinterest with out asking for the artists permission?

I have 3 shit painting from a few years years ago stuck on pinterest which then shows up on google.

is there any way I can get them to take it down? from that long ago.

>>2763121
Relax dude. Pinterest is something different and wild.

>>2763123
WHAT ABOUT MY LEGACY.

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(is this teal's art? i started lurking here about 2 years ago, so sorry if i come off as dumb.)
anyway, this image really helped me understand the head, are there any images like this that are about the torso? danke in advance ;_;

Are they bad artists/bad teachers? If so what alternatives to be gud at concept art?

>>2763231
http://imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD

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>>2763242
THANK YOOOOOOOOOOOU

Is there a way to mix the ground color in Clip Studio on another layer?

Whats that PS shortcut that lets you like match zoom/drag two images at the same time?

Anybody here start from absolute zero in drawing, but only after finishing (non-art) college? The norm for me has been 70+ hours a week dedicated to school and work, so when I'm done, I'll have much more time to pursue art.

>>2763424

Is that a no? :(

>>2756839
Is there a recommended order of what programs or books you should read when just starting out?
I have been doing a mix of fun with pencil, keys to drawing, draw a box and ctrl paint all at once and I'm wondering if I am slowing down my own progress by trying to do all at once but everyone keeps recommending all of them as a starting place.
Also are there any milestones that a person should reach by a certain time?
What is the average ability of a person who has been practicing for a week? or a month or a year?
I want to know if I'm am progressing at a normal rate.

>>2762561
Still waiting on these. Surely someone here's CSP savvy.
You don't need to answer them all at once.

I kinda wanna use KNKL as a learning tool but is it any good or will /ic/'s bashing be justifiable on him?

>>2764442
Use it, become good and come back to tel /ic/, how well it works

Are the 12 principles of animation useless for illustration?

I just want to draw porn and color it decently.

What should I need to do?

>>2764488
Learn the fundamentals. That is read the sticky and draw a lot.

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>>2764494
Are these 11 skills the fundamentals for what I want to do?

>>2764509
Yes, any other questions?

>>2764510
Only one, how the fuck do I measure shit on perspective?

>>2764511
Depends on what you mean by measure. Like distance? Scale? Depth? If you could be a bit more specific, I could probably answer in a more clear manner.

>>2764512
I want to keep the same distance between objects that are going to a vanishing point but I don't know how to do that.

>>2764517
http://betsyillustration.deviantart.com/art/Here-s-the-Thing-About-1pt-Perspective-part-3-489304072
This is what I believe you are talking about.
Creating divisions so you know exactly where things are in your field of view and therefore know how far something is in relation to another object.

>>2764525
Exactly.

Does that same principle would help me to depict a cube of YxYxY units on perspective?

>>2764530
Definitely. Check out the other parts of that tutorial and it explains a lot about perspective in a quick and simple manner that you could have gain through reading a book.

>>2764237
Do whatever, just do it to completion and keep working with what you learned. Keys should come first, working with shapes, forms and perspective next, and light reading in anything else on the side. FwaP wasn't to my taste but is okay--Michael Hampton is better for figure drawing, and anything to do with photoshop gets in the way of learning how to actually draw at that point.

>Also are there any milestones that a person should reach by a certain time?
If you put in continuous effort, you should be better than when you started after a year. It's hard to say much more than that. You should be halfway competent with most fundamentals. The second year is the most interesting milestone. You start getting diminishing returns and have very uneven skills, you've probably taken up painting and are improving slowly. None of your skills are reliable and this is the point that those that didn't give up a week in quit. It hits everyone differently. Some feel hopeless, others are too deep in the grind to notice the moment.

Right around the 2 year mark, something clicks while you're chopping wood or carrying water and everything comes together and makes more sense than it ever has. Everything levels up through symbiosis and and there is an ease that wasn't there before. Your skills level out and you start improving exponentially for a while.

This is assuming you're taking a well-rounded approach and actually focused on improving. This is more or less true across multiple disciplines like music and cooking. You're shit up to a point around two years in, then you get out of it all the work you've put in, only in a much greater volume. Practice right and fuck around productively and good things come out the other side, slack off and masturbate artistically and that's what you get back.

>>2764534
>tfw thought this was just happening to me
What is this weird moment called?

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>>2764530
Probably not, making a perfect cube is more complicated than it needs to be.

>>2764533
Thanks man, bless you.

>>2764538
I see, thanks man.

>>2764536
If you want to be a weeb, kensho is appropriate. I've heard it called reaching Critical Mass. A breakthrough moment. Happens with foreign languages as well.

It is the freakiest shit going from being ass to being able to understand and put to practice just about anything over the course of like a week. I had a guitar teacher warn me about it. It opens up a whole other can of worms.

>>2764549
>It opens up a whole other can of worms.
Wait, doesn't this imply problems? What do you mean by this?

Anybody knows if it's possible to open/convert a Psd file to Manga studio 5 ? I know you can save under Psd in MS5 but when you try to open one it just says format not supported. Can't you save a file under a certain format to be able to open it in Manga studio ?

>>2763242
Kinda new and I've seen them mentioned a few times here. I know they left /ic/ but does the teal person have a blog/exist anywhere else on the internet?

>>2764551
If you practice good habits, you get good habits in return. You understand your natural 'style' and it comes fully under your control. The downside is it's really easy to get complacent at this point and never improve. Everything you do from that there is much more subtle and difficult to master.

If you put in shitty effort and >muh style to practice and learning and manage to hit critical mass, that's what you get back and you either have to relearn everything the right way or become Dobson.

Ignoring the last part which is more the realm of rock guitarists and webcomic artists, you come to a point where the real work begins. You have to learn a different level of skills that take years to acquire as you begin working towards and eventually through a Journeyman level of work and once you get there, you have to fight off complacency or risk resting too heavily on your stylistic laurels.

Basically, you haven't got gud yet and it's easy to stop giving a fuck before you do.You're still an apprentice as far as skills go.

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I lost my Intuos pen.
Best way to approach the situation?

>>2764582
Buy a new one. It's like 10$.

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>>2764585
Where would you suggest looking?
I can't seem to find it below 30 bucks.

>>2764589
Well actually it depended on what kind of pen, but it doesn't really matter what the price is if you need it. Just get it at the lowest price you found.

Another Clip Studio question.
Unlike Photoshop, in CSP texture on a brush works as if it is applied globally to the whole canvas (I suppose it is a metaphorical canvas) so on every new brush stroke the texture pattern is in the exact same place which gives a rather uniform and unnatural look. Is there any setting where I can turn this off, so the texture placement is reset on every brush stroke?

How do you start promoting your own artwork from scratch if the end goal is to make enough connection to get commissions?

How do you do it with the social media? How do i find the fanbase to tap into?

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What's a good budget tablet?

I've been using a genius mousepen 8x6 for years and I'm afraid it might die so I would like to start saving to get a replacement

I don't make much money

>>2764748
what's your budget? if you can drop $160 the the Giano is pretty nice.

>>2764751
I make like $50-80 a month if I'm lucky

>>2764755
h610 pro is like 70$, i got it with free shipping also

>>2764727
You draw good stuff and post it. Someone will eventually see it and want a commission. Tagging in tumblr and twitter is good for social media. Never try to target fanbases, just draw good shit.

>>2764757
just looked it up and watched a review

I will go for this thank you anon

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>>2764758
Thanks for the answer, anon.

So, regarding tagging stuff in social media. How do you do this part exactly when you're not doing something related to tv shows, video games, etc. ? I don't usually do fanarts and most of my stuff so far that i've uploaded are just random things that has nothing to do with any content from the pop culture(i live in 3rd world country, little exposure to western pop culture etc.). I don't mind start doing one, but i'm just curious about taking the next step. So is doing fanarts something that a beginner should do in order to gain some traction at the beginning?

pic is unrelated but it's mine.

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>>2756839
How do I into landscape/nature/architecture painting? I can draw separate objects, but I just fuck up every time I try and make a full composition.
Any suggestions, books, tutorials to look into, preferably digital?

I've just started drawing gestures and I'm going to make them a daily thing.

Currently I'm doing 40 60s gestures a day. Should I work on increasing the amount or is this adequate for now?

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what would I use to get this sort of line on paper, Grimes did this on paper and Ive got no idea how. thanks

>>2764755
That's not even close to minimum wage. How is that possible?

what are good watercolor brush sets for clip studio?

>>2764939
fine point marker. any black marker to fill. also she used photoshop to at contrast

>>2765055
hyperinflation

I get by working online but the people with normal jobs are tanking hard

>>2764936
The times on croquis cafe are more standard. Shorter gestures are good for working the rhythm, but 2-3 minute ones give you time to define the forms and put thought into every mark. I do 5-7 1-minute, some 3's because fuck being against the clock, then pick one I like, rework it and go deeper over like 10-15 minutes.

It's the quality and what you learn from them that matters. You get a lot from doing quicksketching, but it's when I slowed it down and worked out the flow of the forms that my quick sketches improved the most. 40 minutes is more than enough for gesture, just mix up what you do in that time.

>>27586
show us your own art

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Can you people give me a good study plan? I have a lot of free time this period but my problem with art is that I don't fucking know what to do to improve.
I'm not a total beginner (pic related is some stuff I did today) but still I don't know where to start. I feel like books are a bit useless but I fear that if I draw just random stuff everyday I'll never progress. Help me please

>>2765156
>my problem with art is that I don't fucking know what to do to improve
Draw.

>I'm not a total beginner
Yes you are. Just keep drawing.

> like books are a bit useless
They are at your point of progress. Just keep drawing and draw more, I think this is the second time I see pic related. Try out stuff, do something fun, draw with intent.

>>2765163
Thank you dude for responding but my problem is this, I really don't know what should I draw. I don't know to be able just to copy stuff, I want to build me a solid base, problem is that I don't know how to organise my routine. Should I draw 10 loomis heads, 5 braque canvas, etc. a day or should I stick to learn a think a week etc.? With what should I start?
I just need a rigid schedule to know what to do day by day

>>2765175
Sorry for the typos. Also yeah I already posted that but if I remember correctly nobody responded to me

>>2765175

Not that anon, but I think it's like this.

Draw the thing you've started drawing to draw. The thing is, you can do drills and copy from books all day, but you need to apply what you're learning and make mistakes.

Then when you've made those mistakes, go back and see what you could do to not make them.

That's what "drawing with intent" means. Have a reason, have a goal, and move towards that (those) goal(s).

>>2765179
Probably I'll try getting into anatomy, first learning basic proportions, then head and then stundy in the deep the various parts. Should I just use references or read some books?

How does Anon survive while training to be an artgod? Flip burguers? Or can you get a job becoming a hack like Feng or Maciej in a month and photobash a portfolio and then improve you art while you are already in the industry?

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How do rounded shapes intersect?

For months, I've been trying to figure out how I can join rounded forms like spheres together to make something close to the picture on the left. All the clumps, folds and volume look so convincing, but I just can't understand how they did it. I tried learning from Drawabox, but they didn't make rounded/sphere intersections clear at all.

>>2765156
A bargue copy should take more than a few days of hard work to finish, you aren't really getting the point of the exercise if you just doodle them out like that.

>>2765187

You should definitely, if you haven't, stick with fundamentals as a basis for your work. Hit perspective hard if you haven't.

Apologies if that's presumptuous. I skipped them and suffered for it heavily. I'm old and can't draw shit.

References and books are hand in hand. Books will break down what you should be learning when you draw from life. It's a kind of... Two and one thing. Even technical books. You treat it like learning math or language in school. You'll do boring drills to put the methods to finding your answer or proper corrections and then have to apply them later.

Like... Breaking down a person you're drawing into a way that helps you understand why they're made up the way that they are rather than simply drawing them blindly.

>>2765218

Where should I start with bargue plates?

>>2765214

Have you tried copying the drawing that has the effect you want to achieve? Your own inventions doesn't look like anything like the reference. If you feel totally lost I suggest that you give tracing a try, it can help your eyes quite a bit. Keep in mind also that the particular style uses warying line weight to indicate differences in the forms in relation to each other.

>>2765236

http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/bargue-drawings

Do the eye plates first. They have no shading and quite simple. You'll still need considerable effort to get them just right though.

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>>2765214
Vilppu?

>>2765243

Thank you very much.

>>2756839
What is "anchor"? What is "LOOMIS"?

>>2765207
Seems like a valid option, as long as you don't put your life aside while training for the ridiculous 10000 hours myth, all goes

Is Drawabox worthy to learn or just another patreonfag who rewrites Scott Robertson and Loomis?

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>>2765247
>>2765242
Thanks, and where in Villpu's teachings does he show this?

Here's another pic showing the type of thing I'm going for. It's trying to draw round forms folding and joining with eachother.

>>2765263
The first half of his drawing manual and every video he has ever done.

>>2765063
Venezuela?

Lately I have been getting nausea when I draw. Anyone know why?

>>2765366
You're probably allergic to git gud
or you should see your doctor or something

>>2765360
yeah

you can say /ic/ is keeping me afloat and hopeful. this whole thing seriously motivated me to git gud fast so I could start earning some money.

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>>2765367
Can't afford one.

How do I draw moving images? I have always been interested in this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBHsU_8h-SQ

What's best for learning the planes of the head

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why is /i/ so fucking slow? you'd think it'd be faster than /ic/ but it isn't, it's slower somehow. is it because after a few posts in /i/ people realize they suck ass at drawing and come to /ic/, and once they get good at drawing they don't want to hang out with scrubs in /i/ so they go do something worth their time?

>>2765376
Good luck and God bless you.

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is this a meme

>>2756839
Are questions regarding drawing tablets and hardware allowed on here?
I remember seeing the sticky say something about taking hardware questions to /g/, but I don't see it on there any more.
I've asked /g/ and they're clueless as hell when it comes to stuff like this.

>>2765729
ask here
>>2765541
it's a containment board

How the fuck do I get back into the swing of things? I drew quite a bit back in October for the Inktober stuff, but I stopped halfway because of midterms and other stuff for uni. And I haven't drawn since. How do I stay motivated and disciplined enough to start up drawing everyday again?

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>>2765843
I'm just gonna copy and paste what I posted on /g/

I'm in need of a laptop and I want something with an active pen digitizer, since I like to draw and generally do art.
I currently have an x220 tablet, but with all the issues I've been having with it, I'm thinking about throwing it on ebay if I can find something better.
(issues: screen pressure spots, brittle and creaky plastics, rubber trim pieces falling off, very inaccurate digitizer, meh performance, chugs in applications like photoshop, 2.5-3.5 hours of battery life (at best) on power saver mode, etc)

The Elitebook 2760p looks seems to be better built, but has most of the same issues with performance and screen accuracy, the Dell XT3 is supposedly a time bomb before the digitizer dies, and the x230t is the same as what I have, just with a better cpu/graphics.
I don't mind buying used if it's in good shape, I just want something that'll work, and if new, I'd want decent warranties or support if in case something goes wrong, which is why I ruled out the Cube i7 stylus, as decent as that seems.
I have stand alone graphics tablets and they're fine, but I don't work as well with them as I do with an active display.

Anyone know of any good laptops or tablets (better than this at least) with an active digitizer for <$300?

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what brushes could have been used to paint this skin? there's a very subtle texture to it, you can see it most on the shadow of the hair. the artist is chinese, so i'm guessing it might be one of the brushes they commonly use.

>>2766263
basic soft brush :^)

>>2766263

Noise filter and jpg compression artifacts, that's what it looks like to me atleast. The quality is abysmal so hard to tell.

Do I need to ask specific questions to get any sort of critique here? Never got any, not even >loomis

>>2766601
just ask where you fucked up and people will point every little error they see on your drawing

>>2765252

>>2766091
hate yourself

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How is this type of digital painting made? Is it photobashed to shit or can it be accomplished without photobashing?

>>2762561
>Whenever I zoom in/out, my brush size changes
Uncheck "Specify by size on screen" in the tool's settings
>Drawing in CSP vs PS
I make different brushes and play with the size/ink/shape to accommodate for whatever I need